DarkRebel101:
The human race would go extinct – that's being selfish towards Nature.

And to answer your question, it isn't morally wrong.

GrizzlyBear:

How would the extinction of the human race be a selfish action towards nature? Our existence in nature and the inordinate proliferation of our species, is unwholesome and immensely deleterious to nature. I think the extinction of our race would be appreciated by nature.

Think about the deliberate actions of man that has led to the extinction of animals, the destruction of plant life and the pollution of the biosphere. Our existence is doing nature more harm than good. The balance of nature can be kept without the existence of homo sapiens.

Why isn't it morally wrong?

talktonase:
Yes of course! What use is the kpekus and joystick made for if not for procreation...

Ishilove:
This OP needs to take a much needed break at the beach.

DarkRebel101:


Not true.

I don't have time to argue out something that has an obvious answer. Having kids is not morally wrong. Even if it were, there's nothing you can do about it.

GrizzlyBear:


Why?

GrizzlyBear:


I could also apply your logic and say, since the teeth is used for biting, then I should go around biting people. But is my doing so justifiable, given the harm done by my action? No.

Because you have been naturally endowed with certain traits, doesn't mean you should use such traits, especially given the fact that we are conscious species that have the ability to consider the consequences of an action before carrying it out.

It requires a certain amount of intellectual sincerity and empathy to realize the harm that procreation does to our society, especially to those we selfishly choose to procreate, and it seems lots of people tend not to possess these traits.

GrizzlyBear:


I could also apply your logic and say, since the teeth is used for biting, then I should go around biting people. But is my doing so justifiable, given the harm done by my action? No.

Because you have been naturally endowed with certain traits, doesn't mean you should use such traits, especially given the fact that we are conscious species that have the ability to consider the consequences of an action before carrying it out.

It requires a certain amount of intellectual sincerity and empathy to realize the harm that procreation does to our society, especially to those we selfishly choose to procreate, and it seems lots of people tend not to possess these traits.

Ishilove:
GrizzlyBear, define 'morality'. Let's start from there.

Ishilove:

So you admit that your birth has done more harm to nature than good?

talktonase:
simply say you dont like children and cut all the intellectual speech short...you will not be alive today if not for your parents ingenuity to utilize gifted traits that they possess.

GrizzlyBear:


In my opinion, the concept of morality revolves around the nature and consequences of our actions, and how these actions affect the wellbeing of other sentient beings.

So, by definition, a moral action is one that has positive effects on the well being of other sentient beings; one that patently maximizes their happiness and attenuates their suffering, and one that provides a healthy environment that positively enhances their physically, psychological and emotionally experiences.

GrizzlyBear:


Yes it has, so has yours.

GrizzlyBear:


Actually, my reason for creating this thread was born out of a genuine love for children. Why give birth to them when you know fully well that they are going to suffer and struggle all the days of their life? Why give birth to them when you know that they might grow up to not love themselves? Why give birth to them despite acknowledging that they are destined to experience pain, suffering, diseases, disappointment and heartbreaks?

Do you think my being born is something I applaud my parents for, or something any intellectually sincere person would thank his parents for? My parents gave birth to me out of the consensual desire to have kids to satisfy their marital needs, not because they critically considered the circumstances of my being born.

I am asking a simple question. Is it moral to have kids? I am not forcing anyone to not have kids, I just want honest answers.

Ishilove:

You just answered the question you asked in the OP.

Ishilove:

Can you shed more light on these societal and natural harm which 'our' births have caused?

talktonase:
My response to this is strictly Biblical!!!
Truth be told after the fall of man in the garden of Eden due to his disobedience a pronouncement was made on both parties and after that man persisted in his wicked ways and God had to destroy earth but promised never to do so again.
My point is that man has continuously been disobedient from time immemorial.God wants us to look upon him despite our challenging circumstances.(Theodicy) lets recognise his magnanimity and goodness in spite of our troubles. The book of Job explains it all.This is a man who had it all but lost everything.Despite the challenge he never wavered in his faith in God and because of his belief God replenished all in ten folds...Suffering is part of human nature and it occurs only to streamline us to the supreme being(God). Bringing children to this world should be a blessing.We should continue to reverence him in our challenging circumstances.As we await his coming to take us away from this wicked and painful world,I believe the holy sprit will continue to strengthen and speak to our hearts.

GrizzlyBear:


You asked if 'our' births have harmed nature, and that's what I'll address.

Yes, our existence constantly harms nature, and poses a huge threat to it's sustenance and proper functioning. We are sources of pollution to nature. We use cars and generators. Cars and generators release gases like CO2 that are harmful to the environment and ourselves. We utilize certain chemicals and devices that pollute the atmosphere by increasing the level of CFC gases, the major cause of global warming.

By normal mathematics, our being born potentiates the expansion of the population of humans on earth, which isn't favorable for the earth, because it doesn't have enough resources to cater for too many people.

Ishilove:

So the best way for the earth to survive is for man to go extinct?

GrizzlyBear:


So your only justification for deciding to give birth comes from the bible? Really?

And I am surprised you are citing the story of job to reinforce your position, because that's a morally reprehensible story. It boggles my mind how people tend to detach themselves from the suffering and death of Job's children, as if they weren't human beings.

Bringing children into this world is a selfish act because you regard it as a blessing for yourself. It's just for you. It's like winning a medal. That's what these children are to you, just trophies. You don't consider their lives. All you want is to satisfy your desires of having children. This is what's morally impermissible about this decision.

So you agree that the world is wicked and painful, but you still decide to bring people into it? You believe that there is hell, but you still decide to bring people into a 'sinful' world, despite knowing that there is a probability that they'd go to this hell?

TsokanCrown:
is it morally right that you were born to ask such a purposeless question

missjo:
I think your question should have been, Is it morally right to get married?

This is a more suitable question because I can't think of any other logical reason people get married except to have kids. You can love and spend the rest of your life with someone without marrying them.

Birthing kids is a marital achievement whether we like to admit it or not.

GrizzlyBear:


Is it?

And how is the question a purposeless one? Isn't intellectual illumination a purpose? Isn't a sincere acknowledgement of truth a purpose? Isn't the critical examination of an important aspect of our lives a purpose?

I wonder if people like you even think at all.

GrizzlyBear:


How would the extinction of the human race be a selfish action towards nature? Our existence in nature and the inordinate proliferation of our species, is unwholesome and immensely deleterious to nature. I think the extinction of our race would be appreciated by nature.

Think about the deliberate actions of man that has led to the extinction of animals, the destruction of plant life and the pollution of the biosphere. Our existence is doing nature more harm than good. The balance of nature can be kept without the existence of homo sapiens.

Why isn't it morally wrong?