Abuzola:

[size=18pt]Ishmael was the one sacrificed[/size]


Quran 37:99-113

'He (Abraham) said,'i will go to my Lord  ! He will surely guide me !

'O my Lord ! Give me a righteous son !

So We gave him the good news of a forbearing son
(Note: This was the first born who happens to be ishmael)

Then when (the son) reached (the age) of work with him, he said,'O my son i have seen in a vision that i offer thee in sacrifice, now see what is thy view ! (the son) said,'O Father ! Do as thou art commanded, thou will find me  if Allah so will one of the steadfast.


So when they had both submitted (to Allah) and he had laid him prostrate on his forehead (for sacrifice)

we called out to him ,'O Abraham

Thou has already fulfill the vision'
thus indeed do We reward those who do right.

For this is a clear trial

and We ransomed him with a momentous sacrifice (i.e ram)

And we left for him among generation (to come) in later years.

Peace and salutation to Abraham

thus indeed do we reward those who do right for he was one of our believing servants.



(112) And We gave him the good news of Isaac - a Prophet - one of the righteous

(note: this is the second born isaac, if isaac is the first born and here he was born again, does it make sense to born him twice ? In verse 101 he was born and then born again in verse 112 ? Haba)


And We blessed him (abraham) and issac, but of their progeny are some that do right and some that obviously wrong themselves''

this is a stupid way to lie . . . this was NOT the chapter talking about Abraham's sacrifice!

David, did you read my quote or just scared to find da truth

Abuzola:

David, did you read my quote or just scared to find da truth

I read it you fool . . .

The quran makes so many errors its painful to read . . . it also attempts to STEAL Jewish history in order to burnish the image of allah.

1. Quran says - 'He (Abraham) said,'i will go to my Lord ! He will surely guide me !

'O my Lord ! Give me a righteous son !

So We gave him the good news of a forbearing son
(Note: This was the first born who happens to be ishmael)

1. A THOROUGH search of the quran does not provide any such prophecy of "good news of a forbearing son" concerning Ishmael AT ALL! Infact there is NO mention of the birth of Ishmael anywhere in the quran. The quran however talks about the prophecy of "good news" of a son to Abraham and it CLEARLY refers to the birth of Isaac and NOT Ishmael -

Surah 51:26 They said, "Be not afraid!" And they gave him the good news of the birth of a son, possessing knowledge.
29 Hearing this his wife came forward, crying, and she smote her face, and said, "An old woman, barren!

The fraudulent attempt to sneak Ishmael into Surah 37 is despicable at best . . .

According to original manuscripts, original jewish sources and the bible . . . Ishmael was NOT good news to Abraham from the Lord . . .

You are so 100 degree stupid, after quoting the Quran you still argue its not the Quran but my assertion. You are an imbecilic brat

Abuzola:

You are so 100 degree stupid, after quoting the Quran you still argue its not the Quran but my assertion. You are an imbecilic brat

I think you shld blame the quran for your own predicament. It is instructive to note you never come up with intelligent rebuttals.

It is only you who is blind to clear proof, even madam osisi your gangleader won't deny Quran 37:99-113

@Horus: You are taking my statement out of context, from a depraved perspective. Get a life, Get THE life

Get THE life,yea, tHE eTERNAL lIFE

Will you shut up, how dare you talk of eternal life when even ur god was killed and then resurrected

Abuzola:

Will you shut up, how dare you talk of eternal life when even your god was killed and then resurrected

but poor mohammad couldnt even resurrect himself?

There is no eveidence outside the quran to point to the existence of islam before the 7th century CE,the only two abrahamic religions that existed prior to that time was judaism and christianity.

It is instructive to note that secular historians were also writing during these biblical times men like HERODOTUS,TACITUS,JOSEPHUS,PHILO e.tc none of these ancient writers made mention of islam in their writings.

The greek historian herodotus confirmed the manner of baylon's fall as stated in the bible.The roman historian Tacitus confirmed that Jesus was indeed crucified under pontius pilate.

It is not not possible for widely circulating douments like the bible to be altered without leaving a genuine one.Where the hell was Allah when his scripture was being corrupted?

Islam never existed before mohamed,it is a religious farce that was created by the devil

Islam is arabic, islam has been in existence right from adam with their respective accent or language 'Total submission' which is translated into Islam

@david, Prophet muhammad is not God, shogbo, he will die we all know this

Abuzola:

@david, Prophet muhammad is not God, shogbo, he will die we all know this

So resurrection is a sign that the individual is a "god"?

Are you on drug ?

Every mortal shall die, muhammad died and so did the biblical jesus, if he is God he wouldn't die

Abuzola:

Are you on drug ?

Every mortal shall die, muhammad died and so did the biblical jesus, if he is God he wouldn't die

you're confused because even the quran does not claim Jesus Christ died. Isnt it your "prophecy" that he will come back to die later?

Leave Quran out of this. Jesus died means god died once, does it make sense

@azubola

how come islam was never mentioned by any of the ancient historians,there is no proof anywhere ouside the quran to proove the existence of islam before mohammed.

The man simply edited the christian bible and claimed angel gabriel gave the quran to him.

How on earth can a widely circulating book be destroyed without leaving any trace any where

Few words of the bible are truely from God but majority are falsehood,


Islam means peaceful submission and because Prophet muhammad is an arab thats why Islam was asserted

Every Prophet used the term peace according to their respective language

alas,and their god died

yap

Ya zal

[exits thread  kissing it goodbye]

@abuzola,Sura 10:92 "And today we deliver you with your body…" vs. "Today we deliver you by making your strong …" (Ibn Shanabudh) The Fihrist p.71
Sura 12:23 due to vowels. Haita (people of Kufah and Basrah) or Hita (people of Medina and Syria. Abu Dawud vol.3 footnote
Sura 12:35 atta vs. hatta
Sura 18:76 Abu Dawud vol.3 footnote 3384 p.1116
Sura 18:79 "there was behind them a king" vs. "there was in front of them a king" Ibn Shanabudh (The Fihrist p.71)
Sura 18:86 Abu Dawud vol.3 footnote. SO, MR ABU WHY IS THAT VARIANT IN YOUR KORAN. THOUSAND OF THESE IS COMING OUT FULL LOADED , A BIGGEST LIE EVER INVENTED CONTAINS OF ABROGATIONS AND VARIANTS.

Wat da hell re u saying ?

i don`t blame u fool.so the only place u were able to read in the bible is the song of solomon.so what happen that u can`t read genesis and other chapter in the bible are u blind it seem u have notthing doing that is why u are criticizeing the bible,now tell me what u guy problem with christians? may God have mercy on u idiot.

leo c:

i don`t blame u fool.so the only place u were able to read in the bible is the song of solomon.so what happen that u can`t read genesis and other chapter in the bible are u blind it seem u have notthing doing that is why u are criticizeing the bible,now tell me what u guy problem with christians? may God have mercy on u idiot.

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chukwudi44:

@azubola

how come islam was never mentioned by any of the ancient historians,there is no proof anywhere ouside the quran to proove the existence of islam before mohammed.

The man simply edited the christian bible and claimed angel gabriel gave the quran to him.

How on earth can a widely circulating book be destroyed without leaving any trace any where

True True albeit copied so badly.

Alhamdulilah am a muslim, wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow the greatest bliss

:d

chukwudi44:

There is no eveidence outside the quran to point to the existence of islam before the 7th century CE,the only two abrahamic religions that existed prior to that time was judaism and christianity.

It is instructive to note that secular historians were also writing during these biblical times men like HERODOTUS,TACITUS,JOSEPHUS,PHILO e.tc none of these ancient writers made mention of islam in their writings.

The greek historian herodotus confirmed the manner of baylon's fall as stated in the bible.The roman historian Tacitus confirmed that Jesus was indeed crucified under pontius pilate.

It is not not possible for widely circulating douments like the bible to be altered without leaving a genuine one.Where the hell was Allah when his scripture was being corrupted?

Islam never existed before mohamed,it is a religious farce that was created by the devil

Ignorant Mr Chukwudi.
Islam has began 2 exist durin d lyf tym of Adam. ok?
And by the way, the Quran has never being revised or shall be revised unlike the Bible that has over thirty versions.