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Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by Nobody: 9:17am On Dec 15, 2016 |
jonbellion: silly memes still further show how morose you guys are. How does your meme refute the OP? |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by Nobody: 9:31am On Dec 15, 2016 |
ABSOLUTELY ZERO PROOF FROM THESE ATHEISTS. THE HEIGHT OF COWARDICE AND IRRATIONALITY. Deepsight was right! |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by Nobody: 9:59am On Dec 15, 2016 |
where dem dey? |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by KingEbukaNaija: 11:49am On Dec 15, 2016 |
Can these atheists focus on the Op ? Dalaman claims that he does not support evolution , does he support the OP ? |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by Seun(m): 11:52am On Dec 15, 2016 |
4evergod, your original post seems to be a plagiarised work. You copied content from websites and didn't link to them. This is against the rules. Please add direct links to the sources immediately so you won't be banned for violating rule 9: "Don't use Nairaland for illegal acts, e.g scams, plagiarism, hacking, gay meetings, incitement, promoting secession." 1 Like 2 Shares |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by dalaman: 2:00pm On Dec 15, 2016 |
KingEbukaNaija: |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by MrMontella(m): 4:55pm On Dec 15, 2016 |
Im quite busy.. Well..Im not suprised by the nonsense im seeing here... damogul:that has no importance to my statement... Stop this red herring.. red herring.. And what do you mean by 5? 5 vestiges in humans or an all-round encompassing figure..? Here's well respected scientific Journals advocating atavism..as proof of evolution.. Nature.com:Atavism and Human Tails www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(10)00858-4]Cell.com:Atavism copy the second link;cell.com to your browser if you intend visiting it...it refused hyperlinking... [url=onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajmg.a.36234/full]Atavism And Various Atavism Cases[/url] Here's a text from a Top creationist website;ICR on the human embryonic Tail.. https://www.icr.org/article/1068 It is this embroyonic tail which fails to regress sometimes that expresses itself as a phenotype.. Hence the human tails in new born babies so...the embroyonic tail is a developing coccyx...and https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tail images of atavistic human tails can be found here let it sink sire!...take your time and study evolution....not these uninformed rambles.. Cheers! |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by jonbellion(m): 5:03pm On Dec 15, 2016 |
He will never learn |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 5:04pm On Dec 15, 2016 |
MrMontella: Let what sink? Were the initial 180 vestigial organs not debunked to 5? Is the apendix not about to be removed from that list? If they are then atavism is an assumption as the other alleged vestigial organs will also be crossed off shortly. Take your time to understand and sponge this up...EVOLUTION IS A FARCE AND FULL OF ASSUMPTIONS! |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by MrMontella(m): 5:06pm On Dec 15, 2016 |
damogul:as expected... You're just making ''noises''... |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by jonbellion(m): 5:07pm On Dec 15, 2016 |
damogul:lol Your thread has been trashed Sorry
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Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 5:09pm On Dec 15, 2016 |
was it not the same atavism that gave a seal of approval that man had 180 vestigial organs? What then happened to 175? If those were debunked then atavism is still an assumption...simple as ABC. If it was fact then they would not have been debunked. Same way the rest would soon be crossed off just like the apendix was also authoritatively spoken of but is now off that list. Am I lying? |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 5:10pm On Dec 15, 2016 |
All I need is a yes or no answer Mrmontella am I lying? The apendix just got debunked barely 3yrs ago but till date no proper publicity has been made so as to update the text books which is why schools still mention it as a vestigial organ. |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 5:13pm On Dec 15, 2016 |
jonbellion: Why not make yourself useful by trying to help your friend answer my question. |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by MrMontella(m): 5:14pm On Dec 15, 2016 |
damogul:@the bolded Nope! Clearly you have no idea what im talking about! also... Please provide proof of this fabled seal of approval... If what a person/scientist publishes in his own book is what you call a seal of approval or scientifically reviewed and approved fact... Then clearly you're lost on a lot of things... |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 5:15pm On Dec 15, 2016 |
MrMontella: I am surprised you dodged replying to doctoraliens debunking of your claims. |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 5:16pm On Dec 15, 2016 |
MrMontella: on the contrary, you have no idea what you are talking about. Who laid claims to 180 vestigial organs initially was it not Atavism? Yes or no Who included thr apendix as a vestigial organ was it not atavism? Yes or no |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by MrMontella(m): 5:19pm On Dec 15, 2016 |
damogul:baba i just came online... He debunked nothing..and he's misinformed..many rubbishes.. First he claimed genes cannot add to existing genes...i disproved that... Then he claimed mutations cannot create novel information...i still disproved that.. Now he's saying rubbish about e.coli... I will do his mention justice...relax |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by MrMontella(m): 5:21pm On Dec 15, 2016 |
damogul: No and No.. Atavism is the re-appearance of traits lost during our evolutionary journey oga.. |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 5:24pm On Dec 15, 2016 |
MrMontella: Were the 180 vestigial organs inclusive of the appendix not seen as traits lost or rendered useless during our evolutionary journey? |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 5:36pm On Dec 15, 2016 |
MrMontella are these people from the same family or are they related? |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by MrMontella(m): 5:39pm On Dec 15, 2016 |
damogul: you keep on screaming ''180 vestigial organs'' with no proof of it... Starting there would be a good milestone! |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 5:41pm On Dec 15, 2016 |
This is what you and science are doing... Hasty Generalization: A little sample is used to arrive at a grand conclusion. Lets assume your local Motorcycle seller sells Bajaj bikes; a hasty generalization is to conclude that all motorcycle sellers in Nigeria only sell Bajaj Motorcycles. Begging the Question or circular logic. An assumption is used as the basis to prove a conclusion; in turn, that conclusion is used as a basis to prove the original assumption. Simply because you noticed a similarity you ASSUME we share the same ancestor (if such is even possible). Similarity does not prove anything same way the pictures above do not prove those people are related or share the same family tree because THEY DO NOT! Those are actually identical UNRELATED LOOK ALIKES. You would think they are related but they are not. Genetics may seem similar simply because we are all human but they would not be the same to prove relationship. Same way a 70% or alleged 90% or whatever percentage DNA similarity between man and bonobos or chimps do not prove ancestry. ALL WE HAVE ARE ASSUMPTIONS. PERIOD! I have made this very simple for you. |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by MrMontella(m): 5:52pm On Dec 15, 2016 |
damogul:how are they my concern pls? |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 5:55pm On Dec 15, 2016 |
MrMontella: Of course they wouldnt be your concern especially when your vestigial organ argument has fallen on its face. Who is Robert Wiedersheim? Look him up. Below is an extract from wikipedia The Structure of Man The structure of Man: An Index to His Past History deals with various anatomical elements of the human body and attempts to frame them in an evolutionary context with other vertebrates. Wiedersheim himself suggests in the introduction that this work is in the same vein as Thomas Huxley's earlier Evidence as to man's place in nature.[13] The structure of Man began as a much shorter academic treatise, Der Bau der Menschen, produced in 1887 with a small intended circulation. In its original form it lacked any illustrations and gave only a brief overview of many of its topics. Thanks to a high degree of interest and correspondence regarding the work Wiedersheim decided to publish a revised and expanded version.[14] The German second edition was published in 1893 with an English translation by Henry and Matilda Bernard following in 1895. [b]As part of the book Wiedersheim included a list of the organs discussed in the text which might be considered vestigial. He writes, "comparative morphology points not only to the essentially similar plan of organization of the bodies of all vertebrates, ... but also to the occurrence in them of certain organs, or parts of organs, now known as 'vestigial.' “By such organs are meant those which were formerly of greater physiological significance than at present.”[2] He picked up on Darwin’s concept of “rudimentary” organs such as listed in the The Descent of Man: the muscles of the ear, wisdom teeth, the appendix, the coccyx (tail bone), body hair, and the semilunar fold in the corner of the eye. The list, however, contains structures which today are known to be essential, and thus represents a historical record of the physiologic understanding of the day. Evolutionists have used the credited examples of this list as an argument for evolution as they are evolutionary leftovers, of little use to the current organism[/b]. Creationists, on the other hand, have used the discredited examples as an argument against evolution. There is no "scientific" proof, they say, of the uselessness of a particular organ. It is important to note that a vestige is not necessarily a completely useless organ. Although defined as "useless" in popular media, a vestige as defined in evolutionary biology may still have some use, but the use has since diminished. This definition is consistent with Wiedersheim, who said that vestigial organs are "wholly or in part functionless" (Wiedersheim 1893, p. 200) and have "lost their original physiological significance" (p. 205). Although Wiedersheim's originally published list contains 86 items, later interpretations enlarged his list to 180 vestiges. The zoologist Horatio Newman said in a written statement read into evidence in the Scopes Trial that "There are, according to Wiedersheim, no less than 180 vestigial structures in the human body, sufficient to make of a man a veritable walking museum of antiquities."[15] |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 5:59pm On Dec 15, 2016 |
So based on the above, what happened to 175 of these vestigial organs? Can you tell me in defense of FACTUAL ATAVISM? |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by MrMontella(m): 6:05pm On Dec 15, 2016 |
damogul:rubbish when i made my comment i clearly said ''some form of common ancestor'' maybe the translation may be lost to you... 2)Maybe you forgot the post i quoted had to do with ''bible creationism'' i.e man as distinct from animals with no direct links of which atavism disproves... 3) unlike you...im open to the possibility of an evolutionary designer(s)..the images of atavism i got are even from a Top christian evolutionist site,citing the biological journal ehya..but my stance is not on look-alike..so i dont know what you're saying... yes..the same way elements which have seven electrons in their outermost shells always form negative ions etc are hastily called halogens..and is an assumption not a fact right? |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 6:07pm On Dec 15, 2016 |
MrMontella: Red Herring! We are on atavism pls. Answer my question! |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by MrMontella(m): 6:08pm On Dec 15, 2016 |
damogul:what question? |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 6:09pm On Dec 15, 2016 |
MrMontella: What happened to 175 of the 180 originally declared vestigial organs? |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by MrMontella(m): 6:14pm On Dec 15, 2016 |
damogul:the funny thing is that vestiges and atavism is not placed on similarity funny... You seem to think ''a single man's opinion is an authority in science carefully look at the underlined and the bolded... Do i need to say more? |
Re: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by MrMontella(m): 6:16pm On Dec 15, 2016 |
damogul:give me scientific journals on it...declaring it as a fact Not his textbook... And he listed 86... People interpreted it to 180... |
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