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Re: Prediction And Analysis On The Future Of MMM - Cramjones by 400billionman: 3:34pm On Dec 17, 2016
uckennety:


U'll still beg to join later

MMM is gone forever.

Most people have short memories.

Buy some Gigabytes..
Re: Prediction And Analysis On The Future Of MMM - Cramjones by synclaire: 3:58pm On Dec 17, 2016
Op so ur joblessness has turned u to a prophet of doom. who asked for ur opinion. is it ur money dat was invested? is it ur eyes dat ws used to cry? so why u dey take panadol for anoda person headache. all these useless bloggers trying to be relevant.

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Re: Prediction And Analysis On The Future Of MMM - Cramjones by lagosrd: 5:16pm On Dec 17, 2016
So, the next time a friend comes to you and says “Dude, I am working on a part time business for additional income” and talks about such Multi Level Marketing schemes, explain these concepts to him on a piece of paper and advise him also to stay away from such schemes. Losing money is bad, losing friendship is worse and being part of a fraudulent system is the worst
Re: Prediction And Analysis On The Future Of MMM - Cramjones by lagosrd: 5:17pm On Dec 17, 2016
cramjones:
As always, I would comment on contemporary issues that affect the Nigerian populace. All for love of Nigeria. Even though I believe that Nigeria as it stands is close to a failed state, we can all do more through visionary leadership to emancipate our country from the cesspit that has gutted it. That said, I have followed closely the MMM phenomenon since it came to my attention, and as it is normal of my analytical mind, I have taken time to study the trend, review historical facts, and all other data available to me. After this review I have therefore, come to the following conclusions on the fate of MMM.

1. For those that are hoping MMM would suddenly resurface in January because the Nigerian planter's wife said so in a note, are definitely setting themselves up for depression. Nothing of such would happen. This is the deal, MMM is not an investment it is a gamble. The money is only redistributed therefore the system would crash when two conditions occur - something that has already taken place - and these conditions are as follows:

-When new comers or "help providers" exceeds those who want to receive "help" it sets the stage for a crash

-When those withdrawing exceeds a critical amount needed to keep it rolling regardless of the number of people joining, then the system would crash.

I believe these two conditions have been met. Christmas time is a time no one wants to give money, rather they want to be helped, with the overwhelming withdrawals that far exceeded the "help providers" the system had to be shut down, because money does not grow on trees.

2. If MMM ever have a blinker to open, which I doubt very much in January as stated in their later, there would be a state of panic withdrawals, and there would be sharp decline of the new people that would have otherwise joined. This panic withdrawals, would lead the MMM handlers to shut it down completely and take with them whatever is left of the system.

3. The other reason MMM had to shut down early December is more likely than not to ensure maximum "cash outs" by the handlers. At this time there is an all time high of money in the system because people put in most of what they had to ensure they get good cash for the Christmas, this high would not happen any other time of the year, so this was the best time for the handlers to cash out big, and I believe they already did.

Finally, the MMM phenomenon further shows the failed system of Nigeria. This system only flourishes in this magnitude in failed countries. It thrived in Russia during the collapse of the Soviet Union, failed Zimbabwe, thrived in failed parts of South Africa, like Soweto. People have lost hope in any decent labor or lack of jobs thereof. Other are greedy and sometimes plain dumb.

Good luck to everyone "waiting" in trepidation to get help. I wish you luck.

God Bless the Federal Republic of Nigeria

-CramJones


So, the next time a friend comes to you and says “Dude, I am working on a part time business for additional income” and talks about such Multi Level Marketing schemes, explain these concepts to him on a piece of paper and advise him also to stay away from such schemes. Losing money is bad, losing friendship is worse and being part of a fraudulent system is the worst
Re: Prediction And Analysis On The Future Of MMM - Cramjones by MrHackmed1(m): 5:40pm On Dec 17, 2016
Atiku2019:



grin grin MMM created accounts that just receive without providing help. Thats where their founders and promoters made several Millions of Naira grin

Now, people are seeing the main causative organism of the crash. grin
Re: Prediction And Analysis On The Future Of MMM - Cramjones by Okeikpu(m): 10:47pm On Dec 17, 2016
MrEverest:
I've never been a gambler. Never been a smoker and I work real hard and smart to make my dough with diversified income and assets to show for my efforts. Yes, your name already shows how irresponsible you are, because no sane gentleman will use such name. Can you translate it to English
You're just a kid
You'll never understand the actual meaning of that name until u grow wise wink
I laugh when you said u work real hard grin
Re: Prediction And Analysis On The Future Of MMM - Cramjones by MrEverest(m): 11:14pm On Dec 17, 2016
Okeikpu:
You're just a kid
You'll never understand the actual meaning of that name until u grow wise wink
I laugh when you said u work real hard grin
You are just a poor and frustrated soul. You can kill yourself dude, i've got no time for nitwits and reprobats!
Re: Prediction And Analysis On The Future Of MMM - Cramjones by Okeikpu(m): 6:28am On Dec 18, 2016
MrEverest:
You are just a poor and frustrated soul. You can kill yourself dude, i've got no time for nitwits and reprobats!
You're referring to urself
I can feel the bitterness in you
Just take heart ohh
Things will turn around
Re: Prediction And Analysis On The Future Of MMM - Cramjones by Wizdude(m): 1:09pm On Dec 18, 2016
Drlaw:


Don't crucify that dude if you ain't mmm subscriber don't take side against what he feels or write weather his pulling traffic or not so many people had been informed before now I could remember I was using Wealth solution as an example , but for people like you that so myopic this is how they react to my advice then. I beg if awufu don't tire some of ur people pocket and u don dey pre tend for here I beg pack well...no use panadol for another people headache let him write what he feels like.stop subrogating.


Bros what are you saying? Who's the person drinking panadol on other people's headache? Someone Is busy crying over other people's loss and you are here saying I'm drinking panadol for him?
I'm not understanding you bro undecided
Re: Prediction And Analysis On The Future Of MMM - Cramjones by Vaxt(m): 2:18pm On Dec 18, 2016
400billionman:

MMM is gone forever.
Most people have short memories.
Buy some Gigabytes..
you u re against MMM u re PPP= poor poverty people

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Re: Prediction And Analysis On The Future Of MMM - Cramjones by Vaxt(m): 2:21pm On Dec 18, 2016
lagosrd:
So, the next time a friend comes to you and says “Dude, I am working on a part time business for additional income” and talks about such Multi Level Marketing schemes, explain these concepts to him on a piece of paper and advise him also to stay away from such schemes. Losing money is bad, losing friendship is worse and being part of a fraudulent system is the worst
but if you u re against MMM u re PPP= poor poverty people
Re: Prediction And Analysis On The Future Of MMM - Cramjones by komonibo(m): 10:56am On Dec 19, 2016
booqee:
can't you type properly? do u have to abbreviate and re-spell even common words..

imagine typing "things" as "tinx", "want" as "1nt" undecided WTF??!!!!

...and to think you're a guy? I am very sure you are gay or effeminate.. no offence
see dis akara o...y re u trying 2 beg 4 popularity na...I wonder ow u managed 2 read it even after I abbreviated my spellings undecided.... English student I don't nid ur lessons now...datz if atal u re 1...don't quote me again cos I won't reply u
Re: Prediction And Analysis On The Future Of MMM - Cramjones by lagosrd: 1:03pm On Dec 19, 2016
Vaxt:
but if you u re against MMM u re PPP= poor poverty people

It's not always in my way of life to insult but FYI I don't go beyond my means and am not in this world to look for quick money like you. Sometimes when you allow nature and things to take shame they come out better than what you think you have now.once again kindly do a critical indent analysis of yourself and what you gained in MMM you will simply discover that just a few people are praying for you, what are the rest that loss their money doing to you this yelutide. (you just loss some confidants that will never trust you.
Re: Prediction And Analysis On The Future Of MMM - Cramjones by Vaxt(m): 3:32pm On Dec 19, 2016
lagosrd:


It's not always in my way of life to insult but FYI I don't go beyond my means and am not in this world to look for quick money like you. Sometimes when you allow nature and things to take shame they come out better than what you think you have now.once again kindly do a critical indent analysis of yourself and what you gained in MMM you will simply discover that just a few people are praying for you, what are the rest that loss their money doing to you this yelutide. (you just loss some confidants that will never trust you.
bad belle
Re: Prediction And Analysis On The Future Of MMM - Cramjones by finesthaykay(m): 3:45pm On Dec 19, 2016
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Re: Prediction And Analysis On The Future Of MMM - Cramjones by finesthaykay(m): 5:51pm On Dec 19, 2016
Why wait for 2-30days to double your bitcoin.When u can double it up in 40hrs and Make 5% of ur capital every hour.You can withdraw hourly
https://stancebit.com/?ref=Finesthaykay
Re: Prediction And Analysis On The Future Of MMM - Cramjones by Nobody: 11:24pm On Dec 19, 2016
komonibo:
see dis akara o...y re u trying 2 beg 4 popularity na...I wonder ow u managed 2 read it even after I abbreviated my spellings undecided.... English student I don't nid ur lessons now...datz if atal u re 1...don't quote me again cos I won't reply u
mudafccking under-18 gay arse b:tch.. Take some corrections..and get ur lame brain outta here..
Re: Prediction And Analysis On The Future Of MMM - Cramjones by chessguru(m): 4:41pm On Dec 25, 2016
With joy and amusement in my heart, I hereby announce to you the successful launch of our own Nigeria MMM news website called 'Mavro News Nigeria' just like Punch, The Nation and the likes online news paper. For genuine news about MMM Nigeria, kindly visit http://mavronewsng.com.
God bless all!

MMM is a community of people helping each other with their spare money. It's not a company and there is no investment, we only provide help to one another.
To know more or provide help kindly follow the link: http:///WCU1a8

LONG LIVE MMM
#TogetherWeCanChangeTheWorld
#IStandWithMMM

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Re: Prediction And Analysis On The Future Of MMM - Cramjones by chessguru(m): 4:42pm On Dec 25, 2016
17 Reasons why I can boldly say MMM has not crashed but re-strategizing for better outing in 2017:
1. Continuous website availability : website is still available and accessible since the last Tuesday 13th December 2016 announcement unlike other HYIP etc where the website will just disappear
2. Response from support: we are getting response from support in less than 48 hours now. This Showing that a lot of work is been done at the background to deliver a more robust system in 2017
3. Meeting the African Director (Andrew) : uninterrupted and scheduled meeting of guider with the MMM African director, Mr. Andrew on Wednesday and Sundays as usual and good feedbacks from support/CRO further strengthens our faith in MMM for better 2017.
4. Robust structure: MMM has a robust administrative structure (support, CRO etc) and very organized guider school that trains their managers on MMM ideology quite unlike other programme.
5. Guider school ongoing Despite the freeze on Mavros : MMM guider is a compress university program of MMM with well-organized and sophisticated daily task and assignments that grooms their potential managers . This school is still ongoing despite the freeze on mavros. The latest intakes were recruited yesterday Tuesday 20/12/2016. Just a week after the announcement on the freeze of mavros.
6. MMM Ideology: MMM has very sound ideology that preaches financial freedom for all . Creating a new world and age where people will no longer work for money but freely pursue their dreams and vision; a world where money will be a slave and not a master as it is this present world. This is the best ideology I have seen in the financial world.
7. Crowd funding principle: The crowding where the 30% mavro reward is derived has been proven to be working in banks and insurance firms for years . it also align with various cycles of nature like water cycle, Nitrogen cycles , carbon cycle etc my firm conviction is that if the rules of MMM are kept, this cycle of PH/GH can continue forever as other natural cycles I mentioned above.
8. Commitment of the funder to the Ideology: the founder of MMM, Sergey Mavrodi is very commitment to seeing that his dream of midwifing a world of financial freedom comes to pass. He demonstrated by this by serving a jail term. His daughter was kidnapped in the pursuit of this same vision. He has even been labeled a fraud star; but despite all these persecution by the powers that be, he has refused to give up this vision.
9. Books written by the Founder of MMM: Books written by Sergy Mavrodi like son of Lucifer etc demonstrate his disdain for injustice and the cruelty in the heart of that given birth to the present financial system that keep the poor poorer and the Rich richer. This present he has determined in his heart to change with the MMM the ideology. This is why the common slogan in MMM is “together we change the world”
10. Reputation of MMM over the years : MMM stated since 1989 in Russia. It has gone through several metamorphoses through the years till this present peer to peer model that was deployed in 2011. She has learnt a lot in this process. It is not like other programme that just started yesterday as copy cats of MMM.
11. Truth and transparency in MMM: everything about MMM is transparent. from CRO, support,. The agreements “participate with your spare money “boldly written in the front of the website is a signal that that MMM has no fraudulent intention.
12. No central account. MMM does not have a central account. It is a peer to peer help structure therefore there is no room for embezzlement of funds
13. Not for Money bags and the rich: MMM is not designed to make people rich . it is designed as a ‘life line” for the poor and the middle class. This is why it accepts donations as low as N2, 000 and doesn’t accept a first timer donation of more than N3, 000,000.
14. MMM has face: at least we know who is behind MMM. He has written an open letter to the Nigerian Govt. he has written to the Nigerian press. He keep re-assuring the all the MMM participant a better MMM in 2017 even after the announcement of Mavro freeze.
15. Pause mode: mode is one of the strategies of managing MMM when there is low PH. It is one og the projects (business game) in the guider school. Every guider is expected to know how and when to activate a pause mode in MMM and to reactivate the program. So what has happen in the Nigeria MMM community is normal not strange.
16. History of MMM and Pause mode in other countries: MMM has gone on pause mode in South Africa, Zimbabwe and china and retuned so Nigerian case cannot be different.
17. Prayers and the Good wishes of the Poor : Above all, MMM has touch many lives in Nigeria especially the poor and the middle class We have witness the testimonies of the goodness of MMM on the web and even some of our religious centers.
If you as Bold as I am show with your PH . The Time to PH is now. MMM has come to stay. MMM community is a tested and trusted one
Re: Prediction And Analysis On The Future Of MMM - Cramjones by chessguru(m): 4:44pm On Dec 25, 2016
*THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST PIECE I HAVE READ ABOUT MMM*

As unemployment, layoffs and low borrowing hit Nigeria hard, MMM came, offering participants an online Nigerian community that can give thirty percent rewards on their donations to each other.

MMM Nigeria has been greeted with applause from many and tough criticism and scepticism from others. From the security man who has to live on peanuts to the chief executive who cannot access bank loans, everyone seems to feel richer and comfortable not necessarily because they have a lot of cash but because they have “confidence” that whenever they need cash, they have a community that can donate to them. This is what MMM claims is its ideology. Love over selfishness. For these people, MMM is a saviour and they won’t allow any criticism change their view. It is amazing to see thousands of Nigerians donating to each other.

Some other people don’t buy this. They believe “it’s too good to be true”. They believe MMM is a ponzi scheme because it allegedly needs new members to continue to thrive.

MMM Nigeria has however continued to grow even with bad media, something that really worries the critics and spectators. MMM Nigeria participants spend millions of naira monthly giving to thousands of less privilege persons in hospitals and orphanage homes, spending time with them in almost every state in Nigeria.

According to their website (www.) and hundreds of participants interviewed, thousands of Nigerians have benefited from donations they provide to each other through the MMM platform. A participant, Ade, got donations of about N900,000 donations to pay for his medical bills after previously donating N500,000.

MMM boasts of transparency by having no central account (so the money cannot be easily stolen) and being truthful with participants. MMM strongly warns participants to donate only spare money and stick to the ideology of helping each other. MMM resists those who want to get rich quick on its platform by putting limitations on possible donations (ten thousand dollars) and removing participants with multiple accounts.

These moves by MMM seem not to impress critics, they argue that MMM has collapsed severally first in Russia, South Africa and recently Zimbabwe. Research shows the Russian government in 1994 saw MMM as a threat and seized millions of participants monies in the MMM head office thereby leading to the collapse. The Russian government excuse was “MMM didn’t pay taxes”. It is hard to trust a Russian government who jailed and killed Nicolai (a foremost economist) by a firing squad for simply predicting the fall of socialism. The founder of MMM was arrested for not paying taxes (which was impossible because there was no law in Russia to tax a joint stock company for selling stocks) and later released when he was voted into parliament in millions of Russians. Clearly, they didn’t see him as the person who stole their money, they knew what their government had done hence the overwhelming vote.

South African banks and media strongly believed MMM was a threat to their economy. The media trial created a panic among participants who didn’t really understand the MMM ideology thereby leading to a panic. People stopped donating to each other. The media apologised to MMM after the disaster and banks unfroze accounts of participants. MMM South Africa restarted and became stronger (www.rsa-).

The Zimbabwe story is what is completely untrue. I personally reached out to hundreds of Zimbabweans (participants and non-participants). It is really surprising who is sponsoring such lies, a Zimbabwe participant said. Another Zimbabwe participant said “only some Nigerian online media are broadcasting this false news”. A simple google search of “MMM Zimbabwe” reveals only Nigerian media carried the news which had been posted months back by a Zimbabwe blog. The news was edited to paint MMM Zimbabwe as dead. According to Zimbabweans, the Zimbabwean structure was remodelled to become like the Nigerian structure (which is one of the strongest in the world). They moved from 100% rewards to 20% rewards on their donations. Why Nigeria media carried a false news and why it happened at the same time remains unknown.

What is clear is thousands of MMM participants in Nigeria are spending even in a recession thereby keeping a lot of small and big businesses afloat. MMM participants are also able to finance their entrepreneurial dreams with donations received thereby creating jobs. An edge non-participants really envy.

The job seekers, students and pensioners are able to search, study and live happily knowing if they need help, they have a solid community that can come to their aide.

Smart businesses are seeking the patronage of MMM participants because they seem to be able to live comfortable in a recession. One of the MMM Nigerian participants wrote “we don’t have billions individually but we have so much as a community”.

I sought to inquire if cheap money is good for the economy. A participant replied me “Do you know how hard it is to convince you that MMM is real? It’s not cheap money. I spent days convincing my family to participate in MMM. It’s hard work. I work as a clerk. My boss can’t give me a raise because we have lost most of our customers. I haven’t been paid for months. MMM is the only reason I can still come to work and not beg for money to pay my children’s school fees, feeding and rent. Would you say it’s bad for the economy?” He asked.

My final question to this participant was “how long will MMM Nigeria last?”. He said ” as long as we refuse to panic and keep helping each other. Divided we fall, together we will change our world. We must audit every news and verify every rumour. We must be wary of friends who are waiting to laugh at us. They can’t be our source of news or information. We must be strong and surround ourselves with like minded people. This way MMM Nigeria will last for a long time”.

My prediction: MMM Nigeria’s future in the next one week, one month, one year is in the hands of its participants. If they keep providing helping to each other, we will be unable to break them no matter what we do. Their destiny is in the collective togetherness.
HAVE U PHED TODAY?
Re: Prediction And Analysis On The Future Of MMM - Cramjones by rinzylee(m): 8:36am On Jan 11, 2017
preacherz:



MMM South Africa is as functional as ever!!! Stop allowing your Hatred for MMM reason for you

Okpo.... Oya where is the South Africa Nonsense man
Re: Prediction And Analysis On The Future Of MMM - Cramjones by switch47(m): 11:40am On Jan 11, 2017
Mr Andrew* we are waiting to resume this week. I think b4 Sunday u will see d test of new model in ur PO
*Mr Andrew* probably Saturday
*Mr Andrew* orders will be out for those who PH only
*Mr Andrew* it's up to u if u wanna use Bitcoin or naira
*Mr Andrew* u will see d sustainability in this new model
*Mr Andrew* GHing will start on Saturday. But not everyone might PH at once
*Mr Andrew* mavro will grow as it was b4, Tuesday and Thursday
*Mr Andrew* GH of every person will correspond with PH to build d system
*Mr Andrew* about fake POP, u will see that d new model works far better that it does on this issue b4
*Mr Andrew* about d issue if PH must be done b4 GH, pls wait for d new model. I don't want to say anything that will be misunderstood
*Mr Andrew* I don't say u must pH b4 GH, just wait for d terms when it's implemented
*Mr Andrew* if u PH with naira u will GH in naira. If u PH in Bitcoin u will GH in Bitcoin
*Mr Andrew* in just a few days, 14th of January ( I don't know what time) u will see in ur PO changes
*Mr Andrew* I don't say u shld do task to GH, there are no conditions. Do promo tasks because ur members of this community and it's ur duty
*Mr Andrew* Nigerians shld be Guiders only to Nigerias. If u be one Guiders to others in other countries it will be taken from u
*Mr Andrew* we are waiting, everyone is excited. U will see d progress in 3 days
*Mr Andrew* Thanx alot. Bye

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Re: Prediction And Analysis On The Future Of MMM - Cramjones by switch47(m): 11:41am On Jan 11, 2017
rinzylee:


Okpo.... Oya where is the South Africa Nonsense man
Google MMM South Africa official site ..... I stand with MMM Nigeria
Re: Prediction And Analysis On The Future Of MMM - Cramjones by somehowpenis(m): 10:01pm On Jan 17, 2017
anigbajumo:


Wat baffles me is that this nonsense from gullible fools won't stop me to PH 450k in d next 2weeks despite my 200k remain frozen,shame will catch you all very soon, am very sure a brave men like me are there in community in thousands.......


hwfar bro? You later provide that help?
Re: Prediction And Analysis On The Future Of MMM - Cramjones by anigbajumo(m): 10:09pm On Jan 17, 2017
somehowpenis:
hwfar bro? You later provide that help?

No,they av not matched me,a lot of people have not been matched to fulfill their PH order...
Re: Prediction And Analysis On The Future Of MMM - Cramjones by somehowpenis(m): 10:10pm On Jan 17, 2017
anigbajumo:


No,they av not matched me,a lot of people have not been matched to fulfill their PH order...
hmmm, stories are beginning to enter this
Re: Prediction And Analysis On The Future Of MMM - Cramjones by anigbajumo(m): 10:26pm On Jan 17, 2017
somehowpenis:
hmmm, stories are beginning to enter this

Nothing like story,a lot of people are not been matched to pay their PH,close to mmm participants, they will the you...
Re: Prediction And Analysis On The Future Of MMM - Cramjones by somehowpenis(m): 10:39pm On Jan 17, 2017
anigbajumo:


Nothing like story,a lot of people are not been matched to pay their PH,close to mmm participants, they will the you...
huh? undecided
Re: Prediction And Analysis On The Future Of MMM - Cramjones by econity(m): 6:39am On Jan 07, 2020
fejeerow:
No need to argue.... in jan, u ll come back to read this post again...I said so!

This is the third January you promised me.
I'm still reading the post.
Hope you're still cashing out.

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