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Re: What Does The Bible Say About Adultery? by Anas09: 9:22pm On Dec 17, 2016 |
alchemist13:We are here right? Why not help me understand those and it will help the Op. Many are reading and will learn. You know how the issue of sex is so porous in our society even in church. Who knows who you'll help by posting your information here? |
Re: What Does The Bible Say About Adultery? by Anas09: 9:24pm On Dec 17, 2016 |
LambanoPeace:. Just a question sir. 1 Like |
Re: What Does The Bible Say About Adultery? by GoodMuyis(m): 9:28pm On Dec 17, 2016 |
jonbellion: I save this for future sake, How do you know there Exit a God |
Re: What Does The Bible Say About Adultery? by LambanoPeace: 9:29pm On Dec 17, 2016 |
alchemist13: Adonbelivit I hope you are joking? |
Re: What Does The Bible Say About Adultery? by LambanoPeace: 9:33pm On Dec 17, 2016 |
GoodMuyis: Abi ooi When I say these folks are jokers, folks will think I'm being mean Seun, come and see |
Re: What Does The Bible Say About Adultery? by alchemist13: 10:48pm On Dec 17, 2016 |
Anas09:First of all you have to understand that most Mosaic laws were addressed to males in the Israelite society alone. As Phyllis Bird puts it, The majority of the laws, especially those formulated in the direct-address style of the so-called apodictic law (the style used primarily for the statement of religious obligations), address the community through its male members. Thus the key verbal form in the apodictic sentence is the second person masculine singular or plural. That this usage was not meant simply as an inclusive form of address for bisexual reference is indicated by such formulations as the following: As such, all adultery laws have the formula "If a man commits adultery with another man's wife..." No where in the law is a woman commanded not to sleep with another woman's husband. See Lev. 20:10 A man (that is, married or unmarried) can seduce a virgin, who is not engaged he then has to pay a dowry to the father for her to be his wife, but the father has the option to refuse to give his daughter to the seducer. In that case, the man pays anyway, for spoiling the virgin. (Exod 22:16-17) If you look closely at both the adultery and fornication laws above you will notice a pattern. That is, both laws are treated as much as a property law as they are sexual laws. That is the reason that the covetousness of a mans wife is listed right in the middle of a general condemnation of covetousness of other properties of a man. The wife is regarded as a property of a man; hence the bride price. This is also the reason why a man must pay a dowry for an non engaged girl to her father since she is considered the property of her father. Coveting another man's wife could lead to jealousy, jealousy leads to strife, strife threatens the very fabric of a society. This is the reason why sleeping with another man's wife is taking very seriously by many ancient society and this is also true for our local customs here in Africa. So I would argue that laws concerning adultery and fornication are less about sexual purity but more about maintaining a stable patriarchal society. |
Re: What Does The Bible Say About Adultery? by alchemist13: 10:49pm On Dec 17, 2016 |
LambanoPeace:No, I am not joking See my comment above. |
Re: What Does The Bible Say About Adultery? by Anas09: 5:20pm On Dec 18, 2016 |
alchemist13:Okay. But what did Jesus say about Adultery? |
Re: What Does The Bible Say About Adultery? by alchemist13: 7:53pm On Dec 18, 2016 |
Anas09: In addition to what he said above? 1. Matt 5: 27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’[a] 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. This passage can be interpreted in many ways. The most common common interpretation of this passage is of course that it condemns any feelings of sexual attraction by a one person to another with the possible exception of one's spouse. Any feelings of lust towards a non-spouse is a major sin, equivalent in seriousness to actually committing adultery. However, another interpretation is found on the Christian Marriage web site. Pastor Don Milton notes that the word "adultery" means sexual intercourse by a man with a woman who is either engaged or married to another man. Milton notes that: "Every reference to adultery in the entire Bible concerns sexual intercourse between a married or betrothed woman and a man other than the one to whom she is married or betrothed." Finally, the webmaster of StudyToAnswer.net notes that "...the Greek word translated as "lust" here, epithumeo does not merely mean 'to have a desire.' It is a word which actually indicated a strong, even consuming, desire, most often for something which, for whatever reason, is not lawful for one to possess. This is the way in which the word is used at many points in the New Testament ... it seems quite obvious that the Lord Jesus is describing, per the connotation of the word being used, looking upon a woman with an intense desire. Not a mere glance, not a general sort of attraction that may be normal to any heterosexual man, but an intense desire, with an idea towards POSSESSING the desired object (remember Paul's application of "lust" to the tenth commandment, against covetousness, in Romans 7:7?) What the Lord Jesus is talking about here is looking upon a woman in such a way as to desire to take her for yourself, even if it is not lawful for you to have her, in this specific example because she is another man's wife. Clearly Jesus is attaching the particular "sin" connotation to epithumeo, and applying it to the sort of ogling that a man might do which would lead him to then think about and develop a strong desire for the woman who it would be unlawful for him to pursue. ... From all this, it is apparent that the Lord's exposition in Matthew 5:28 is not talking about normal male heterosexuality. It is not talking about never being attracted to a woman who you might like to marry one day. It is talking about abstaining from a strong and persistent desire to possess or take, even in the temporariness of adultery, a woman who is not your wife, and who in fact is probably the wife of another man. " 2. John 8:1-11 New Living Translation (NLT) A Woman Caught in Adultery: I am sure you are familiar with the Bible passage so I will not quote it. Adultery can only mean this woman was sleeping with man other than her husband. Note that Jesus did not argue her innocence or that she didn't deserve the punishment but only that those who are condemning her were not righteous enough to carryout the punishment. Anyway further consideration: http://www.religioustolerance.org/sex_jesu.htm: |
Re: What Does The Bible Say About Adultery? by Joagbaje(m): 8:05pm On Dec 18, 2016 |
alchemist13: The term "woman " refers to a married woman. Not a single lady. Single ladies are called maiden , virgins etc. 2. John 8:1-11 New Living Translation (NLT) A Woman Caught in Adultery: She was an adultress because she was married. |
Re: What Does The Bible Say About Adultery? by Anas09: 8:19pm On Dec 18, 2016 |
alchemist13: See? Matt 5:27 hung you. You are of the opionion that only women commit adultery. lol. But Jesus is referring to men here, if they as much as look lustfully, they are guilty. Pathrachial (Man) may try to twist it to mean what he wants it to mean, but deep down you know the truth. Pathrachy did not start in our time. The pathrachial tradition in the Bible was fixed there by men, just like devorce was. Jesus said, in the beginning, it was not so. God created One man for one woman. Thats the reason he rebuked the Pharisees for abandoning the love of God and were preaching the Traditions of men. Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband. 1 Corinthians:7:2 (To avoid sexual sin. The case in point here is sexual sin) Let EVERY MAN HAVE HIS OWN WIFE not Wives. Talking about the woman caught in Adultery, have you not asked why the man wasnt brought out? Thats the very reason The Master asked them to cast their stones if they were not guilty of the same sin. |
Re: What Does The Bible Say About Adultery? by alchemist13: 10:30pm On Dec 18, 2016 |
Anas09: I never said only women commit adultery. Anas09: Well God's laws seems to reinforce it and sometimes even establish it. @ the bolded, are you suggesting that the laws found in Deuteronomy and Leviticus are the works of men? Are you sure you want to make that claim? Added bonus: The Deuteronomy passage commonly sited about divorce actually never gives commandments about divorce but only assumes it. The passage is actually about a woman's eligibility to remarry. What do you make of Jesus actually failing to properly interpret it along with the Pharisees? Was he not in a sense, considering the trinity theology, the one that actually gave Moses the laws? Food for thought... Anas09: The Bible never actually teaches this... maybe except Paul's teachings were he specified conditions to be a bishop (or deacon?) Anas09: This passage only advocates marriage as a means to avoid fornication. It says nothing about multiple marriages. Interestingly, monogamy in new testament times owed more to Roman/Hellenistic influence on Jews, especially in the diaspora (a major constituent of Paul's ministry), than traditional Jewish traditions which very much supported polygamy. Anas09:Admittedly, by the time of Paul, the focus was more of sexual purity than social cohesion. Anas09: Jesus did not ask the men if they were guilty of the same sin. He asked them if they are not guilty of any sin. |
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