The end will justify the means

Backslider:

@busygirl

You have not seen anything yet. Wait till you see when they begin to have sex in Church on the stages. And they will call it "practical Christianity"

Shei you say that some people are Extreme Just wait and see.

lol.
God forbid bad things

Ha it can happen oh.

I thot this topic was dead.

This kain topic no dey die.

I'm new to this thread, and its so long, i cant even try to read all the comments.

@ Trini, Now, i read the opening comment by trini, and to her i say, nobody cares about your definitions. If you are concerned about definitions and you want to talk about sin, then look to the bible for the right definition and not to greek lexicons or whatever. if you want to talk about what is wrong according to society, then you can make use of society's definitions.

so, as regards the issue; the bible defines all sexual relationships outside of marriage as sin. whether you call it fornication or premarital sex is your problem. God doesnt care about the nomenclature, he is only concerned about the act. if you try to justify your sin to yourself, fine, there's nothing anybody can do to help you. if you acknowledge your sin, then you can easily repent if you want to.

one thing to understand, which most dont, is that marriage is a covenant. "a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh" the 'one flesh' part does not happen before the joining; the joining (marriage) has to happen first. marriage is sacred. if you take marriage as a sacred covenant between two people then you'd understand why each person has to keep himself for the other. if not, then its left to you to lay your bed the way you want to lie on it.

if you want more scriptural references, i can give you; they are plenty,

Exactly.This generation don turn bible upside down.

Forget the scriptures, they were written by man to control man.

Sex before, during and after marriage is a wonderful, natural and sensual thing to be enjoyed by us all. You will not go to hell as some of the sin mongers on this site would have you beleive (hell = not having sex)

What you will do is live a wondeful fufilling and complete life,

So get on with it. Have some today and lower your stress levels

Give you girlfriend, lover, wife, husband, boyfriend a little sexual relief this Easter.

Reverend:

Forget the scriptures, they were written by man to control man.

Sex before, during and after marriage is a wonderful, natural and sensual thing to be enjoyed by us all. You will not go to hell as some of the sin mongers on this site would have you beleive (hell = not having sex)

What you will do is live a wondeful fufilling and complete life,

So get on with it. Have some today and lower your stress levels

Give you girlfriend, lover, wife, husband, boyfriend a little sexual relief this Easter.

Dumb Sucker!

Yes Mr. Pataki

I am sure that the girl that gives you a Mouth Action could be called a

"Dumb Sucker"

Thot your sick ass was banned for life!

@Slapcrappy

Just shows you how ill informed and how wrong you are (about everything) as usual!

Hope you are much saner now

Rev! So you are back! 

You are welcome! Although I'm not sure if I should applaud or lament.  We shall see.
I share in pataki's sentiment in hopes that the shock therapy treatment you had while you were away has done some permanent good to your cerebral cortex. 

hun - some people will say they are trying each other out - test riding - u put the prick inside the pussy b4 the wedding day, then u have committed fornication - may the prick stick inside the pussy as a punishment.

Who says it isn't fornication?
or don't you read your bible properly?

The funny thing about religion is that inspite or despite its existence and influence it always runs contrary with the inherent nature of man and we struggle almost in futility to live up to its demands. can anyone really define what keeping the bed undefiled really means.taken as the words read, then we would be saying that sex after marriage is unlawful cause its not saying keep the pre-marriage bed undefiled. I agree that its actually a good thing so dat we dont all go berserk and start to bunk everything in sight, but for a rational person its obvious that its not really a divine law to abstain before marriage

Reverend:

Forget the scriptures, they were written by man to control man.

Sex before, during and after marriage is a wonderful, natural and sensual thing to be enjoyed by us all. You will not go to hell as some of the sin mongers on this site would have you beleive (hell = not having sex)

What you will do is live a wondeful fufilling and complete life,

So get on with it. Have some today and lower your stress levels

Give you girlfriend, lover, wife, husband, boyfriend a little sexual relief this Easter.

Preach dt to someone else.

Have a Happy, Sexually Satisfying, Hot and Kinky Easter

Whether or not pre-marital sex is fornication, whether or not pre-marital sex is a sin, it is still WRONG for all sorts of moral reasons.

I am not deeply religoius myself, but i'd feel quite disgusted with myself if i had to give my body to every man i dated, I'd rather wait to give myself to my husband.

Strong self-respecting women who gladly wait

The greatest gift a man can give his new wife is a ring on her finger, his name andf his complete love (ie gettiing married) , the greatest gift a woman can give her new husband is her complete love and her undefiled body

fairy tale rubbish

@trini girl, stick with your belief and stop condemning others about what they feel it's right, If you believe it's right go ahead, it doesn't bother anyone, it's your business!

busygirl:

@trini girl, stick with your belief and stop condemning others about what they feel it's right, If you believe it's right go ahead, it doesn't bother anyone, it's your business!

apparantly the princple of not condemning others only applies for those who share the same views here.

trini_girl:

fairy tale rubbish

There are some of us who still respect women who hold unto such "fairy tale rubbish".

tega78:

Whether or not pre-marital sex is fornication, whether or not pre-marital sex is a sin, it is still WRONG for all sorts of moral reasons.

I am not deeply religoius myself, but i'd feel quite disgusted with myself if i had to give my body to every man i dated, I'd rather wait to give myself to my husband.

Strong self-respecting women who gladly wait

The greatest gift a man can give his new wife is a ring on her finger, his name andf his complete love (ie gettiing married) , the greatest gift a woman can give her new husband is her complete love and her undefiled body

God bless you. You'd make a man proud someday.

I think it is a personal choice and people should be free to decide. There is no rule, just do what you think is right!

If you want to wait then fine, if you do not then that is also fine.

Listen to your inner voice and shut out the sin mongers!

My inner voice tells me that sex is mostly not worth all the trouble and the risks if one hasn't found the right person.

The right person will come along one day soon

I can not say who that will be, but you will notice her and then the troubles will really start

Seun:

My inner voice tells me that sex is mostly not worth all the trouble and the risks if one hasn't found the right person.

for once i agree with you 100%

davidylan:

There are some of us who still respect women who hold unto such "fairy tale rubbish".

God bless you. You'd make a man proud someday.

Give me a break! I wonder why people in this day and age still choose to be so hypocritical.

Men would love for every woman to be a virgin so she won't have anyone to compare his inadequacies to  

The unfortunate thing is that men don't realise that sex does not make a woman. It's just a part of her.  A woman who is in touch with her sexuality makes a much better partner.  God help men who complain that all their wife likes to do is lie on her back because anything else will make her a prostitute.  

Reverend:

I think it is a personal choice and people should be free to decide. There is no rule, just do what you think is right!

If you want to wait then fine, if you do not then that is also fine.

Listen to your inner voice and shut out the sin mongers!

Yes Rev I agree.  But religion has made women victims, and men foolish! God forbid that you give yourself to every man you date, but when your heart tells you it's right then it's your choice. 

The man will take the virginity of 100 women and it's no big deal.  A woman will sleep with one man that she was in love with and committed to, and all of a sudden her virtue is questioned.  she is "defiled".  Rubbish.

Go look up the meaning of the word "defiled" and start thinking for yourself abeg.

I am not talking about empty promiscuous sexual encounters here. Seun is right, sex isn't worth it if there is no emotion or love.

@trini_girl,

Seun is right, sex isn't worth it if there is no emotion or love.

I will take this a little further. Sex isn't worth it if done outside the confines of marriage. Hebrews 13:4 Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.

trini_girl:

Give me a break! I wonder why people in this day and age still choose to be so hypocritical.

Men would love for every woman to be a virgin so she won't have anyone to compare his inadequacies to  

The unfortunate thing is that men don't realise that sex does not make a woman. It's just a part of her.  A woman who is in touch with her sexuality makes a much better partner.  God help men who complain that all their wife likes to do is lie on her back because anything else will make her a prostitute.  

Everyone is entitled to their oppinions, it does not make them hypocrites.
Since when did it become a hard and fast rule for everone that a woman "in touch with her sexuality" makes a better partner? What happened to your "sex does not make a woman"?
What defines a woman "in touch with her sexuality"? Is a virgin out of touch with her sexuality simply because she chooses to remain so?

As far as we know, there are no statistics that prove women who indulge in pre-marital sex in "loving" relationships are much better partners sexually.