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|Re: Naturalized US Citizens: Do You Get Treated/respected As A Native Born Citizen? by TheCongo2: 5:01pm On Jan 22, 2017|
You can never be charged with discrimination for calling someone a nigger unless you are running a business or you are an employee.
In that case, there is ground for lawsuit against the company ( on the ground of racial discrimination/harassment).
As an individual, there is nothing illegal in calling someone a nigger. Maybe immoral and reprehensible but not illegal. There is no ground for lawsuit when someone call another person a nigger.
|Re: Naturalized US Citizens: Do You Get Treated/respected As A Native Born Citizen? by Originalsly: 5:31pm On Jan 22, 2017|
TheCongo2:As an idividual... it's a hate crime... same goes to calling someone a gay. Happens all the time.
|Re: Naturalized US Citizens: Do You Get Treated/respected As A Native Born Citizen? by TheCongo2: 4:47pm On Jan 23, 2017|
I challenge you that there never been any case where a person got arrested for the mere fact of calling someone a nigger or gay. This would go against the freedom of speech.
A hate crime would be a combination of a crime (assault, theft …) and racial epithet. Using racial epithet alone could never lead to an arrest. You may ask a police officer.
|Re: Naturalized US Citizens: Do You Get Treated/respected As A Native Born Citizen? by lionlee216(m): 12:04am On Jan 24, 2017|
A nigger or nigga from the mouth of a white man to a black is a racism word
|Re: Naturalized US Citizens: Do You Get Treated/respected As A Native Born Citizen? by TheCongo2: 3:46am On Jan 24, 2017|
The word nigger is still a racial slur even even when it goes from one black man to another.
In Canada, under the Human Right code, if a black man refers to another black man as a nigger in a working environment, the employer could be liable and could end up paying monetary compensation to the claimant.
However, under the criminal code, no one could ever be arrested or charged for using that terminology whether the person is black or white. There is no crime committed when someone uses that word.
|Re: Naturalized US Citizens: Do You Get Treated/respected As A Native Born Citizen? by Nobody: 5:58am On Jan 24, 2017|
hmmm..... subjective racism, passive racism or micro aggression is real my brother. I have read little bit about it too. Also some of my friends who are whites told me it actually exists.There was a time a staff was asking me how I was been treated by other staff. They know that they do it. I think you have good attitude toward it even though the Psychologists said it should be confronted bruntly. For instance if someone ask you where are you from? You may response person what are you trying to say? and sort of things like that. Well I have met superb white men and women, and at the same time met Asians who are worst than the white racists. I think another is, once these white people got to know you better and I mean got familiar with you, things become different. I think we should discuss on how to deal with such, passive racism etc. That helps better than exchanging words.
|Re: Naturalized US Citizens: Do You Get Treated/respected As A Native Born Citizen? by lindaayim(f): 9:05pm On Jan 28, 2017|
The question that i get most of the time is how did you get here? my answer by air...i flew in
|Re: Naturalized US Citizens: Do You Get Treated/respected As A Native Born Citizen? by hartson(m): 9:27pm On Jan 28, 2017|
|Re: Naturalized US Citizens: Do You Get Treated/respected As A Native Born Citizen? by MrChris001: 12:44am On Feb 26, 2017|
|Re: Naturalized US Citizens: Do You Get Treated/respected As A Native Born Citizen? by Nobody: 2:12am On Feb 26, 2017|
gentleiphy:For provincial police, you are correct, but the RCMP (federal) only accepts application from citizens.
|Re: Naturalized US Citizens: Do You Get Treated/respected As A Native Born Citizen? by Nobody: 2:35am On Feb 26, 2017|
TheCongo2:With regards to this write up. i am yet to be a victim of racism in Canada. I was once transfered to a city of 10k people for 4 months in southern saskatchewan...a red neck province. This is a city with 99% white people. I usually get the occasional stare anytime i go shopping or out to eat at a restaurant. I never really go out at night as alot of drunks roam the street and alcohol brings out the monster in racists.
I would say the looks are more of curiousity like what the fck is a black man doing here...lol
But up north in the same province, my friends working as doctors complained alot about prejudice at work and in the community. At work - from patients and nurses. In community, they moved their families to bigger cities to prevent them from witnessing any act of racism or prejudice. The nurses think they know more than black foreign trained docs despite d docs passing very difficult provincial and federal exams. The patients mostly prefer to see white docs for reasons best known to them. My friends tell me its not even about accent but 100% prejudice. Now i am not sure that would qualify as racism....prejudice?...yes. I pray never to encounter stuffs like that. Even with the enormous amount of money d docs make, it still hurts.
But overall, imo when i compare canada to the Uk in terms of race relations, Canada is better off. I can't count the numerous times i was told to f-off to my country of origin by white British and the discrimination i encounter at work.
|Re: Naturalized US Citizens: Do You Get Treated/respected As A Native Born Citizen? by sosy25: 10:18am On Feb 26, 2017|
I just came across this thread. I lived in the United Kingdom for 4 years. I had a residence permit and I was not a British citizen.
The topic of this thread is something that I and other Nigerians argued about a lot while I was living in the United Kingdom.
I agree with TWoods, "If you search desperately for bias or bigotry, you will find it". From my experience I discovered that there are some Nigerians living in the Western World (by this I mean Western Europe and North America) who see racism where there is none. Dont get me wrong there is racism but racism is over hyped.
Let me give you an example. Mikel Obi was banned from driving for 15 months in 2009. He was speeding and it was discovered that he drank alcohol before driving. To my surprise some Nigerians were arguing with me that its racism. I was asking how can it be racism, he broke the law and is being punished.
I told them that if it was John Terry that broke the law he would also be banned from driving. John Terry is British and was in the same Chelsea football club with Mikel Obi and also the captain of the English team.
As fate would have it, I was still living in the UK in 2011 when it was John Terry's turn to be banned from driving.
I don't believe that these constant "Where are you from" questions are racism. I got asked those questions hundreds of times and each time I happily and proudly answered that I am from Nigeria. I remember when I worked as a Night Receptionist at a hotel in Manchester. A white British woman who wanted to check into the hotel asked me the usual "where are you from" question and as usual I proudly told her that I was from Nigeria. She was so happy and told me she had lived in Jos, Plateau State in the 1980s, she told me she had fond memories of her time in Nigeria. To be honest I never felt prouder to be Nigerian.
I had a friend from my secondary school in Nigeria he was born in Lewisham in London but his parents brought him back to Nigeria when he was little. He returned to the UK after secondary school to enrol in University. Of course he had a Nigerian accent. He had a British passport by virtue of his birth in the UK but every time he was asked the usual "where are you from" question he always answered that he was from Nigeria.
I agree with maternal about the example he gave on the ex-friend from Cameroun. Just like his ex-friend from Cameroun there are Nigerians in the Western World who never blame themselves for their obvious faults because its very convenient for them to heap the blame on racism.
Racism exists in Europe and North America but I repeat it is over hyped.
|Re: Naturalized US Citizens: Do You Get Treated/respected As A Native Born Citizen? by mctowel01: 8:15pm On Jul 23, 2017|
This is why I love Australia and I believe its one of, if not the best country for a Nigerian to migrate to. Almost everybody, white included is an immigrant. The original natives are aborigines so everyone is respected and has equal rights. The only thing is your visa status should be permanent resident or a citizen, then you will have the opportunities you want
|Re: Naturalized US Citizens: Do You Get Treated/respected As A Native Born Citizen? by TheCongo2: 5:31am On Jul 27, 2017|
In your opinion, what is the difference between Australia and the US or Canada?
I am afraid you are off topic
|Re: Naturalized US Citizens: Do You Get Treated/respected As A Native Born Citizen? by Goldenboy007(m): 11:24am On Jul 29, 2017|
Ok...so I am digging up old topics..
OP - You are 101% right - I ma sure I have commented on this before. There is always a systemic racism in these societies. Citizens or not as far as you do not sound or look like them you are an outsider. Some places it's great and some places it subtle, however for someone to say it doesn't exist is being economical with the truth.
Like Martin Luther King Jr said - the best way to defeat an enemy is to be better than them - don't let anything stop you, develop yourself till it becomes undeniable that you are better than them. There is discrimination everywhere, even in Nigeria there is class discrimination. My only advise is wherever you are do not forget your origin.
|Re: Naturalized US Citizens: Do You Get Treated/respected As A Native Born Citizen? by JewelStone(f): 1:52pm On Jul 29, 2017|
|Re: Naturalized US Citizens: Do You Get Treated/respected As A Native Born Citizen? by mctowel01: 10:32pm On Jul 29, 2017|
Your opinion tho. I won't say that there is 100% no racism here. I see it happen amongst people quarrelling in trains and public places. I ve never experienced it, infact, I will still say I do not think the general population is racist. Obviously, there could be few idiots out there, but its not something to make me wail about. I ve been made a temporary team leader for a task where I work, despite "white" people being there before me, not cos of my skin color, but because I was able to convince the manager. I m not saying its 100% no racism, but at times, you see what you want to see. I feel its overhyped at times. Sometimes, I believe its not bias, people naturally just connect more with people they can more easily relate with. I stay in an asian community and I find their whole lifestyle difficult. And yes, they are not generally as friendly as the white australians, I can't really connect with them socially and culturally and it doesn't make me racist. It doesn't mean they will belittle you for having another skin color as its more comon in Europe. I know a Nigerian who was considered as the only person for his job, and promoted one level up, just after looking at his resume and interview. His name is also Nigerian.
And even if you ve stayed 10years here, our opinions and experiences can not be the same.
|Re: Naturalized US Citizens: Do You Get Treated/respected As A Native Born Citizen? by TheCongo2: 7:47pm On Jul 30, 2017|
The funny thing is that many people have been victim of subtle racism without actually detecting it.
From my observation, a good number of people don't know what is racism. Once again, racism isn't just blatant.
Again, not all forms of discrimination are illegal. You can choose to date only black girls or yo can choose not to have Asian friends. There is nothing illegal about that
|Re: Naturalized US Citizens: Do You Get Treated/respected As A Native Born Citizen? by wyzoe: 12:14pm On Jun 28, 2018|
Accent? Ever heard of Cardi B?
|Re: Naturalized US Citizens: Do You Get Treated/respected As A Native Born Citizen? by Konquest: 4:12pm On Jan 23, 2020|
OK... it's time to bump this insightful thread up in 2020!
The post is still very relevant as of today.
Just to name a few...
There are naturalized Americans of Nigerian descent in the U.S. Police...
Deputy Adewale Olukoju who is an ex-Olympian is one of them. He is
ex-Olympian Fatima Yusuf-Olukoju's Husband and they got married in 1998.
Here is a link below on Adewale and Fatima Olukoju
Another guy of Nigerian descent is[b] Officer Akintayo Akintunde[/b] who has worked with the
Washington, District of Columbia police in the United States since May 2016.
Incidentally Akintayo Akintunde who graduated in 2016 from the University of Baltimore
has joined the league of young people that are profiled as suspected criminals based
on their looks [i.e wearing braided hair or dreadlocks] by the Nigerian police
after only spending 4 days in Nigeria!
Akintayo Akintunde was featured in "Beyond the Badge" D.C Police Web-series.
Beyond The Badge: Ep. 2 | "Rise~N~Grind"
Nov 6, 2018 - Uploaded by OfficialDCPolice
Episode 2: "Rise~N~Grind" In this week's episode,
we go beyond the badge with Officer Akintunde.
On the other hand many U.S.-born and naturalized Nigerians are in
the U.S. Armed Forces and have been on combat duties right from the
1st Gulf War in Iraq and the invasion of Kuwait by Iraq in 1990.
Perception is stronger than reality... so most of the time
if a person begins to have that inner dialog about
being sidelined in American or any Western country,
that is what will manifest in the physical world... because
people can subconsciously sense if another person
has low self-esteem or doubts himself or herself.
So "faking it till you make it with a smile," i.e, "learn how to win
friends and influence people" and anybody will see his or her career
skyrocket! Even with some racists or white supremacists still
existing in America... and worse still in Russia where even
mixed race children and young adults get picked on
by the some young Russian gangs.
Well with the rise in ancestral DNA tests from Ancestry.com,
23andMe, and AfricanAncestry, a lot of whites are begining
to appreciate the FACT that race is indeed a social construct
and I have met many friendly whites and have never experienced
racism though in all my dealings and travels!
My 2 cents, Hope this helps.
All the best!
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|Re: Naturalized US Citizens: Do You Get Treated/respected As A Native Born Citizen? by nlPoster: 5:39pm On Jan 23, 2020|
Even treated better than US born citizens.
|Re: Naturalized US Citizens: Do You Get Treated/respected As A Native Born Citizen? by EgunMogaji2: 11:37pm On Jan 23, 2020|
I’ve personally met at least 10 police officers in the USA (Texas and California) who are from Nigeria originally.
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|Re: Naturalized US Citizens: Do You Get Treated/respected As A Native Born Citizen? by nlPoster: 12:50am On Jan 24, 2020|
I dont believe there's any profession where Nigerians do not have representation.
|Re: Naturalized US Citizens: Do You Get Treated/respected As A Native Born Citizen? by Paccus: 5:59am On Jan 24, 2020|
lindaayim:Ma, you were wrong the way you reacted to that Lady, People generally ask where you are from when they hear people speak differently, White People(Americans) ask White people(French, Italians) when they hear them speak.. Even in Nigeria if you hear an Accent like Hausa most times people call you Aboki, if it is Igbo they call you Omo Igbo, same thing with Yoruba, Akwa Ibom etc.. if I hear a strange accent i will probably ask where the person is from. Yes, there is subtle racism but that Lady was not being racist, maybe she was just trying to start a conversation.
|Re: Naturalized US Citizens: Do You Get Treated/respected As A Native Born Citizen? by Drenimarcus(m): 8:32am On Jan 24, 2020|
Let me add my own little bit to this topic. Like Twoods said, if you look for racism, you will find it. I live in the Midwest. I really do not care, I go my way, if you start a conversation with me, I respond politely, I have had people ask me where I am from, I am always eager to be asked, i proudly tell them, I am from Nigeria(nothing fit change that) .
My MIL always want me to tag along with her when she is going grocery shopping because In her words “she likes to show off her Nigerian SIL“. What I generally do know is the more they get familiar with you, the more they open up. Everyone knows this, I am and will always be a Nigeria and I will never reject my heritage(naija no good no mean say make person reject).
My watchword has always been be polite, respect people opinions even if you don’t like it(no be your country), don’t break the law.
God be with us and keep us safe.
|Re: Naturalized US Citizens: Do You Get Treated/respected As A Native Born Citizen? by Paccus: 1:19pm On Jan 24, 2020|
Drenimarcus:The OP is ashamed of her Nigerian heritage
|Re: Naturalized US Citizens: Do You Get Treated/respected As A Native Born Citizen? by Savagethe21st(m): 9:34pm On May 15, 2020|
|Re: Naturalized US Citizens: Do You Get Treated/respected As A Native Born Citizen? by Savagethe21st(m): 9:54pm On May 15, 2020|
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