Thanks @onyewu chinedu

I use to think that protestants never regarded the catholic church as having apostolic origin,how come they are looking for information regarding early christianity from them.

Why don't they go to their "apostolic" protestant churches for their "lost" books.

By he way who even told you catholics are  keeping any secret books in the vatican.

It is evidently clear from the bible that the Apostles p;anted churches in a no of countries including Isreal,italy,turkey,syria,egypt,.greece,spain e.t.c

It would be amazing if these churches should completely disappear or be completely corrupted even less than 100 years after their creation.The only difference between protestants and muslims is that while muslims say the scriptures were corrupted ,the protestants say the church was either corrupted or obliterated.

The scriptures makes clear in 1 tim 3;15 that the church is the pillar and foundation of truth,Jesus also mentioned in the gospel of mattew that he was going to build his church on peter and the gates of hell shall never prevail against them.This bible quotatios makes it clear that the church cannever be corrupted or obliterated.

Honestly I wouldn"t beleive they bible if I beleive they were comopsed and named by an evil organisation,all the gospel writers,the writers of the books of acts,hebrews never mentioned thier names ,it was through catholic apostolic tradition that the identities of their authours were disclosed.If in the end the catholic church turns out to be evil then we all(christians) are fucking going down

^^ the thread isnt about eschatology or church rites.

its simply asking for records, since the Catholic church has long been active in many countries for hundreds of years, and European monarchs used to report directly to the Pope.

So no need to get all emotional about which and what or if someone said a church has or doesnt have apostolic origin.

learn to separate sentiment from fact.

St Augustine was from North Africa, which today is a muslim enclave. If one wants to research north Africa before the muslim conquest, must it only be done in a religious context.

I am not saying that the catholic church had be perfect over the years, the catholic church like any other institution in the world had had it's own fair share of scandals.

Even the bible the people of isreal the chosen race fell from one sin to another infact  more than 80% of  the  kings of isreal were worshippers of baal or other pagan gods .With the exception of a few like David,Hezekiah,Josiah e.t.c

These never meant that isreal was never the chosen race, in the same way the few errors done by some members of the church in the past doe not erase it's divine origin

The catholic church had had bad popes in it's history but these people don't even make up to 1% of the no of popes

Even today's holier than thou pentecostal churches had had it's own fair share of scandals it has been proven that most
pentecostal pastors are rogues .Even the early father of the reformation like martin luther was not a saint either his work on the jews and their lies was  what influenced the nazi genocide.He had advocated the killing of jews in that book , he actually stated " we are at fault in not slaying them".

Let me not mentin the massacre and extermination of catholics in in the countries where the reformation were successful like england ,scotland Dennmark ,nor way ,sweden and the scandinavian countries.

Let he who is without sin be the first to cast a stone

the thread isnt about eschatology or church rites.

Thjis thread is about an attempt to demonise the catholic church just listen to the poster

Haba . . . Cool Cool Cool Cool . . . do you really sincerely think i do not know the answer to the question i asked.

It was a rhethorical question . . . i already know that they are trying to save their own ass and continue to hold on to the control and power they have over brainwashed people . . . hence its not like i don't already have an idea of why they are doing that.

However i intentionally asked the question so that others can also get to learn in the process of others contributing to the thread.

By the way, which is more important:

1. The saving the catholic church from demise . . .

or

2. The salvation of the souls of men as a result of knowing the truth through the exposure of the things being kept secret by the catholic church

something that is not demonized cannot be demonized if it is proved to be demonized then it wasn't demonized now , it has been demonized from the beginning or at least from some point in the earlier times

I heard the vatican secret archives contained the largest collection of p0rnography in the world . Seriously tho, I think it is in relation to confiscated works of arts considered pornographic by the church; probably very tame compared to today's standards

Plus there has to be lots of heretical nonsense like the earth not being the center of the universe

Despite the name tho, i dont think the archives are a secret in the hush-hush, classified sense. Instead, the word secret in this case means that the archives are private. To use them, you have to go through an application process or sumthin and prove that you're a seasoned researcher with a specific project in mind—and specific documents that you're looking for

Not teach ripe person: waste of person. Teach 'not-ripe' person: waste of words.

Why not be specific, what secrets are they keeping? Have asked permission to be allowed into Vatican library and denied?

The statements below is the Catholic Apostle creed.

I[b] believe in God, the Father almighty, creator of heaven and earth. I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord. He was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary. He suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried. He descended to the dead. On the third day he rose again. He ascended into heaven, and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy catholic Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and the life everlasting. Amen. [/b]

Any Christian group that acknowledges the above statement will always get my vote.

Up Catholic Church!!! Down O ye accusers (Satanic agents)!!!

No part of the Vatican Library is restricted to researchers. No person of intergrity and standing has ever accused the Vatican of barring him access to those books. Copies of some of these books are in some important libraries all over the world.

Don't you think that if the Catholic church was harbouring secrets that would be harmful to the Catholic institution that it would be easier and safer for them to just destroy the documents rather than keep them. The are being kept so preciously suggests something else to me. It is kind of like the way someone would keep a precious jewel. Which is quite different from the way someone would keep a toxic substance. They would rather dispose of the toxic substance.

I think the OP is just being paranoid and a catholic basher. It is interesting how human psychology requires someone/something to look down on and point the finger at in order to feel good about itself. I think thinking like that which started this thread comes from such a psychological disposition. Heck! Most of 'christianity' and 'islam' is based on this psychological device.

That is why there is so much squabbling between christians and moslems etc etc. They actually need each other in order to feel more worthy. Can you imagine any religion called Islam as we know it if there was no christianity to criticize.

I see Dan Browns influence scattered all over this thread. The Catholic Church sure has some secrets. Notheless, its a good church and a powerful institution not buillt around a particular human being. Even the Pope knows this. If he dies, he gets a sucessor. Unlike the churches we have in Naija today where a church is synonymous to a person's name. All Churches even religions have their past.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEATQF5lCYo

Catholic Nazi Connections

The Catholic Nazi ties in the 1930's. The Jesuits are the military order of the Vatican, headed by the Black Pope.

No2Atheism:

READ UP ON CHURCH HISTORY AND COME BACK AND THEN IT WOULD BE EASY FOR YOU TO MAKE AN "UNBIASED STATEMENT"

True that brother, but them no go wan hear you.

No2Atheism: I find it weird that it seems the Catholic has access to a number of historical books and manuscripts and yet for some unknown reason, it seems to be keeping them secret.

- Why is this and for wat purpose is this being done.
- Is it not profitable for knowledge to be disseminated to all people of all nations.

Did the Bible not say that people are perishing for lack of knowledge. . .hence would it not be logical to say that the Catholic church is actually contributing to the perishing of these souls by intentionally withholding historical information.

CUZ THE TRUTH OF WHAT IS KEPT IN THOSE VAULTS WILL TURN THE WORLD UPSIDE DOWN. LIKE WHO ARE THE REAL JEWS AND THE TRUE COLOR OF CHRIST

obadiah777: CUZ THE TRUTH OF WHAT IS KEPT IN THOSE VAULTS WILL TURN THE WORLD UPSIDE DOWN. LIKE WHO ARE THE REAL JEWS AND THE TRUE COLOR OF CHRIST

YES O, AND EVERYONE WILL KNOW WHO THE ANTICHRIST IS.

yah:

YES O, AND EVERYONE WILL KNOW WHO THE ANTICHRIST IS.

YUP AND HE IS STARING YOU RIGHT IN THE FACE. THAT MAN THAT EVERYONE SO LOVES FOR HIS TECHNOLOGY AND EVERYONE WANTS TO BE LIKE. MATTER OF FACT THERE IS A POST ON FRONTPAGE OF NIGERIANS ALL IN HALLOWEEN COSTUMES TRYING TO BE LIKE HIM

obadiah777: YUP AND HE IS STARING YOU RIGHT IN THE FACE. THAT MAN THAT EVERYONE SO LOVES FOR HIS TECHNOLOGY AND EVERYONE WANTS TO BE LIKE. MATTER OF FACT THERE IS A POST ON FRONTPAGE OF NIGERIANS ALL IN HALLOWEEN COSTUMES TRYING TO BE LIKE HIM

Tell us what his name is.

Old thread! Who brought it out people?

Horus:

Tell us what his name is.

CANT DO THAT BRAH. CIA AGENTS WILL ARREST ME

obadiah777: CANT DO THAT BRAH. CIA AGENTS WILL ARREST ME

very funny!

obadiah777: CANT DO THAT BRAH. CIA AGENTS WILL ARREST ME

Even me sef that i am relatively fearless cannot dare to mention his name. Wallahi, them go triangulate my location and disappear me ASAP.

they are hiding secrets


hat was the church trying to hide? IN 1415,THE CHURCH OF ROME TOOK AN EXTRAORDINARY STEP TO destroy all knowledge of two Second Century Jewish books that it said contained ‘the true name of Jesus Christ.’ The Antipope Benedict XIII firstly singled out for condemnation a secret Latin treatise called ‘Mar Yesu’ and then issued instructions to destroy all copies of the Book of Elxai. No editions of these writings now publicly exist, but church archives recorded that they were once in popular circulation and known to the early presbyters.



Knowledge of these writings survived from quotations made by Bishop Hippolytus of Rome (176 –236) and St Epiphanius of Salamis (315 – 403) along with references in some early editions of the Talmud of Palestine and Babylonia. The Rabbinic fraternity once held the destroyed manuscripts with great reverence for they were comprehensive original records reporting the ‘Life of Rabbi Jesus’.

Pope Alexander VI



Later, in a similar manner, Pope Alexander VI (1492 –1503) ordered all copies of the Talmud destroyed. The Council of the Inquisition required as many Jewish writings as possible to burn with the Spanish Grand Inquisitor, Tomas de Torquemada (1420 –98), responsible for the elimination of 6000 volumes at Salamanca.



In 1550,Cardinal Caraffa, the Inquisitor-General procured a Bull from the Pope repealing all previous permission for priests to read the Talmud which he said contained ‘hostile stories about Jesus Christ ’. Bursting forth with fury at the head of his minions, he seized every copy he could find in Rome and burnt them. Solomon Romano (1554) also burnt many thousands of Hebrew scrolls and in 1559 every Hebrew book in the city of Prague was confiscated.



The mass destruction of Jewish books included hundreds of copies of the Old Testament and caused the irretrievable loss of many original hand-written documents. The oldest text of the Old Testament that survived, before the discovery of the Dead

Sea Scrolls was said to be the Bodleian Codex (Oxford), which was dated to circa 1100AD. In an attempt by the church to remove damaging Rabbinic information about Jesus Christ from the face of the earth, the Inquisition burnt 12,000 volumes of the Talmud. However, many copies survived and today provide opposing traditions about the person called Jesus Christ.

In the mass destruction of Jewish writings, the church overlooked two particular British documents that also recorded ‘the true name of Jesus Christ ’. They survive to this day in the British Museum and are called the Chronicles and the Myvyean Manuscript treasured ancient documents with a very early origin.



Supporting evidence was also found on early First Century gold, silver and bronze coins discovered at the site of an ancient mint at Camulodunum (Colchester) in Britain. "Thus the testimony of the Briton coins establishes clearly and positively the historicity of the traditional ancient ‘Chronicles ’ as authentic historical records."

The evidence is compelling, and additional supporting clues are found on a mysterious headstone in Germany, in Vatican art treasures, and in a series of coded sentences in the Shakespearean Plays. Further concealed information was left in the form of specially created statues commissioned by a Catholic priest and positioned in a small hilltop church in Southern France. Coded ciphers were also secreted into the first English-language printings of the Bible and a combination of all clues provides interlocking information and presents a new insight into the origin of Christianity.



Kink James I

It was the ‘wisest fool in Christendom’, King James I, who ‘authorised’ the translation and publication of the first Protestant version of the Bible into English. He came to the English throne in 1603 and quickly became unpopular because of ‘his disgusting personal habits and his unsavory character’.



He pretended to be a scholar in theology and philosophy, but his learning was shallow and superficial. He wallowed in filth, moral and physical, but was endowed with a share of cunning that his associates called, ‘a kind of crooked wisdom ’.



For his new edition of the Bible he issued a set of personal ‘Rules’ the translators were to follow and ordered revisions to proceed, although he never contributed a farthing to its cost. Work began early in 1607 and took a committee of forty-seven men (some records say fifty-four, others say fifty) two years and nine months to rewrite the Bible and make ready for the press.



Each man received thirty shillings per week for his contribution. Upon its completion in 1609,a remarkable event occurred —the translators handed over the reviser ’s manuscripts of what is now called the King James Bible to King James for his final personal approval. "It was self-evident that James was not competent to check their work and edit it, so he passed the manuscripts on to the greatest genius of all time ...Sir Francis Bacon".


Sir Francis Bacon (1561 –1626) was a man of many talents, a lawyer, linguist and composer. He mastered every subject he undertook; mathematics, geometry, music, poetry, painting, astronomy, classical drama and poetry, philosophy, history, theology and architecture. He was a man of many aims and purposes, the father of modern science, remodeler of modern law, patron of modern democracy, and possibly the reviver of Freemasonry.



His life and works are extensively documented, and his intellectual accomplishments widely recognized, particularly in academic circles. At the age of sixteen, he was sent to Paris ‘direct from the Queens Hand ’ and there studied Egyptian, Arabian, Indian and Greek philosophy with particular attention given to the Ancient Mysteries and their Ritual Rites.



He personally recorded that, while in Paris, he created a secret cipher system that could be inserted into a document without arousing suspicion. While living in Europe, Francis Bacon was initiated into the mysterious Order of the Knights Templar and learnt a very special secret. Before he returned to London, he traveled to France, Italy, Germany and Spain and at the age of twenty completely devoted himself to the study of law.



From his understanding of the secret information he had learned during his initiation into the Knights Templar, he conceived the idea of reactivating various Secret Societies and in 1580 founded the secret Rosicrucian Literary Society in Gray’s Inn. Later in the same year, he founded the Lodge of Free and Accepted or Speculative Masons, also at Gray’s Inn.

On 25 June 1607 Sir Francis Bacon was appointed Solicitor-General and Chief Advisor to the Crown. He had presented new ideas to the Government for the Reformation of the church and was officially instructed to commence restructuring the Bible. Research in the Records Office of the British Museum revealed that original documents still exist which refer to important proceedings associated with Sir Francis Bacon’s involvement with the editing of both the Old and New Testaments They revealed that he personally selected and paid the revisers of the New Testament who completed their task

Sir Francis Bacon

under the instructions of Bacon’s long-time friend, Dr Andrews.



The first English language manuscripts of the Bible remained in Bacon’s possession for nearly a year. During that time:

...he hammered the various styles of the translators into the unity, rhythm, and music of Shakespearean prose, wrote the Prefaces and created the whole scheme of the Authorized Version.

He also encoded secret information into both the Old and New Testament An ancient document recorded that the true history of early Christianity was known to the initiates of the Order of the Knights Templar, having originally been:

...imparted to Hugh de Payens by the Grand Pontiff of the Order of the Temple (of the Nazarene sect), one named Theocletes, after which it was learned by some Knights in Palestine.

Regarding the months of editing work applied to the Bible by Bacon, his biographer, William T.Smedley, confirmed the extent of the editing:

It will eventually be proved that the whole structure of the Authorized Bible was Francis Bacon’s. He was an ardent student not only of the Bible, but also of early manuscripts. St Augustine, St Jerome, and writers of theological works, were studied by him with industry.

At the completion of the editing, Sir Francis Bacon and King James I had a series of meetings to finalize editorial matters associated with the new Bible. It was at this time that King James ordered a ‘Dedication to the King ’ to be drawn up and included in the opening pages. He also wanted the phrase ‘Appointed to be read in the Churches ’ to appear on the title page. This was an announcement clarifying that King James had personally given the church ‘Special Command ’ for this particular version of the Bible to be used in preference to the vast array of Greek and Latin Vulgate Bibles current at the time. His reason was personal, as King James had previously instructed the revisers to ‘defend the position of the king ’ in their restructuring of the texts.



This was seen as an attempt to distance the Protestant Bible from the Catholic version. The Protestant versions of the Bible are thinner by seven books than the Catholic version and the variant churches have never agreed on a uniform Bible. In their translation of 1 Peter 2:13 the revisers changed the phrase ‘the emperor, as supreme’ to ‘the king, as supreme’.



Because King James’ Bible was written to support the authority of a king, the later church often referred to it as the one from ‘authority ’,and it later came to be presented as if officially ‘authorised ’.In subsequent revisions, the word ‘authorised ’ found its way onto the title page and later still came to be printed on the cover, giving King James’ new Bible a false sense of authenticity.



The King James Bible is considered by many today to be the ‘original’ Bible and therefore ‘genuine’ and all later revisions simply counterfeits forged by ‘higher critics’. Others think the King James Bible is ‘authentic’ and ‘authorised’ and presents the original words of the authors as translated into English from the ‘original’ Greek text.



However, the ‘original' Greek text was not written until around the mid-Fourth Century and was a revised edition of writings compiled decades earlier in Aramaic and Hebrew. Those earlier documents no longer exist and the Bibles we have today are five linguistic removes from the first Bibles written. What was written in the ‘original originals’ is quite unknown. It is important to remember that the words ‘authorised’ and ‘original’, as applied to the Bible, do not mean ‘genuine’, ‘authentic’ or ‘true’.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_Secret_Archives

Read this and every body who comes from an university and want to make a research can go and read the books they have.