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|Re: School Fees Of Anchor University, Deeper Life Owned (Screenshots) by oluamid(m): 10:35am On Jan 15, 2017|
Barclay and College of the Ozarks are full fledged universities who have both mundane and Christian courses. Bold is the only seminary there but they still have some secular courses.
The main point of the argument however is that they are Christian Universities that are free for students.
|Re: School Fees Of Anchor University, Deeper Life Owned (Screenshots) by Junior66(m): 10:40am On Jan 15, 2017|
blueseacats:Charity is not free, someone paid for it to be free for others. Why economics hard una na?
|Re: School Fees Of Anchor University, Deeper Life Owned (Screenshots) by Nobody: 10:46am On Jan 15, 2017|
frosbel2:Who told u it came from ordinary church members So u assume everyone that contributed to the school I a pauper
|Re: School Fees Of Anchor University, Deeper Life Owned (Screenshots) by Nobody: 10:49am On Jan 15, 2017|
By Ife Olaleye
There has been so much buzz about Church universities being expensive in Nigeria and I would like to address some of this controversies mostly using Covenant University as a case study
Tithes/Offerings are used to build Church Universities?This seems to be a widely asserted theory. This is partly not true because most Churches don’t exactly use Tithes/Offerings for building church universities but create special donations for that purpose. Usually, the initial university capital projects are funded with these donations. We have to remember that the core mandate of any church isn’t not to create universities but to preach the gospel of Jesus and help the poor and this done with tithe/offering to establish outreaches, pay pastoral salaries, build new churches etc.
Donations can’t sustain recurrent expenditure: while ‘excited’ members would usually agree to pay donations for the initial financial responsibility of the universities. No church would be able to get its church members to continually pay for its recurrent expenditure. In fact if any of these church schools were to try and choose continual donations as an alternative to ‘High’ tuition fees the next thing you would see are private university lecturers going on strike.
Are Church universities profitable?I do not believe any sane investor or business man would venture into the tertiary education sector with the aim of making profit. There is a reason why you wouldn’t find Otedola or Dangote investing in education.
Assumed wealth of the Church:there is a saying in Yoruba land that ‘’the chicken sweats but the feathers won’t let you know’’. Would you believe that Oyedepo nearly missed his own deadline for the establishment of the first two halls of residence in Covenant University? because donations weren’t coming forth, until God miraculously provided.
‘Expensive’ tuition isn’t unique to Pentecostal Churches: whilst many choose to assault Bishop Oyedepo for charging high tuition fees. It is important to note that even Orthodox churches which are known not to be ‘’prosperity conscious’’ charge within the same bracket e.g Bowen(Baptist), ECWA(Bingham), Godfrey Okoye(Catholic), Adventist(Babcock), JABU(CAC) e.t.c
Expensive tuition isn’t unique to Church universities alone;Church universities are ranked to be generally good with Covenant University averagely in top three on the two out of four most reputable rankings in the world-Webometrics and Times higher education. However Islamic schools that are not in the top 50 universities in Nigeria but also charge about half a million which is about the same thing CU charges.
The underlining purpose for creating Church schools;This is very important, the creation of church schools isn’t to actually teach physics and chemistry, but to create a spiritual revolution. Take that spiritual revolution away from CU, then it is by no means different from Afebabalola university. Therefore, if you are a committed member of your church you are already a member of that movement. For instance I am not a living faith member, but by attending CU I have joined myself to the spiritual movement of the existing members.
Finally, Church education can not be seen as a means to compensate members for years of dedication or commitment to tithing but an end time ammunition to take over the education sector for Jesus. However the church has a responsibility to the poor-and that cannot be overstated. Although it is wrong for you to expect material gain from your church because you gave your Tithes/Offerings to them-it goes against the principles of scripture. When you give your tithe next time, remember that you are giving it out to be blessed by God and not Church.
|Re: School Fees Of Anchor University, Deeper Life Owned (Screenshots) by JAWBONE(m): 11:12am On Jan 15, 2017|
Jokerman:STFU, deeper lifers are not POOR
|Re: School Fees Of Anchor University, Deeper Life Owned (Screenshots) by saintmark88(m): 11:28am On Jan 15, 2017|
Prove oga.... Dnt just say stuffs that u wish to believe to satisfy urself n expect me to swallow it.... Provide ur proof
|Re: School Fees Of Anchor University, Deeper Life Owned (Screenshots) by Exciton(m): 11:29am On Jan 15, 2017|
That's the really crazy thing! Their only defense is that quality education doesn't come on a cheap. And then you wonder what exactly they mean by "quality" education.
No private university in Nigeria has the equipment to conduct any bloody scientific research. Neither do they have well renowned professors that are active in research. It's still the same pool of shitty naija lecturers they employ from. In fact, they have the lowest number of professors. The only thing they have is empty buildings that's a bit fine on the outside, greeneries, and no strike action.
These people don't understand that quality education isn't about buildings but having the teachers who will spark creativity and critical thinking in their wards as well as the equipment to be able to carry out independent research.
The real question is: why the hell do these churches feel they need to build universities?
As it's more charitable to the poor masses to use the money to equip existing universities and research institutes to become world class standard.
|Re: School Fees Of Anchor University, Deeper Life Owned (Screenshots) by saintmark88(m): 11:32am On Jan 15, 2017|
[quote author=laudate post=52821862]
So who owns the newly established Augustine University, in Ilara near Epe? The ghost of the Catholic Church
It's owned by a Catholic archdiocese, not necessarily the Catholic church
|Re: School Fees Of Anchor University, Deeper Life Owned (Screenshots) by Nobody: 11:35am On Jan 15, 2017|
Junior66:Did you really type this with your senses intact? Did you even double check the meaning of charity before you started typing? The definition of charity has never changed and the last time I checked it means people giving freely so others can get for free.
Economists my ass, all of you pen and paper economists in nigeria is the reason we are still in dark ages.
Do you even know what tax return is? If you do why do government give people rebate for charity donations ?
Why did the government of western nations stipulate that charity organizations must use 90 % of their incoming donations on charity work( free of charge activities) and only 10 %for the day to day running of their internal affairs?
"Charity begins at home "they say, you can't donate shoe if you don't have one yourself. If you are among those who donate to winners chapel every Sunday and can't afford to send yourself , your child or anyone you love to covenant university your case is worse than those at yaba left.
Am not typing this to change you cause your case is irredeemable, rather I want those with rational and critical thinking ability to learn a thing or two.
|Re: School Fees Of Anchor University, Deeper Life Owned (Screenshots) by atheistandproud(m): 11:35am On Jan 15, 2017|
It's a very simple question, oh ye defenders of the indefensible. Is a university a profit or non profit venture? If no, why are they collecting fees? Why aren't the fees subsidised? Na poor man pikin wan stay inside AC hostel abi? Is that not discrimination as encouraged by the church?
|Re: School Fees Of Anchor University, Deeper Life Owned (Screenshots) by Nobody: 11:37am On Jan 15, 2017|
Exciton:Most of them are irrational and deranged so don't bother too much to change their thinking.
|Re: School Fees Of Anchor University, Deeper Life Owned (Screenshots) by atheistandproud(m): 11:37am On Jan 15, 2017|
There's one near me here who is ready to throw punches once Bishop Oyebaba is mentioned. I dunno wetin e dey give dem chop every Sunday.
|Re: School Fees Of Anchor University, Deeper Life Owned (Screenshots) by EmmySparky(m): 11:38am On Jan 15, 2017|
Junior66:its for free for the students...ask the wole soyinkas and the chinua achebe if they paid for basic education (primary school and secondary school)...if a common monarch in britain could pay for it...what stops the church headed by a servant of GOD to pay for the fees too...
|Re: School Fees Of Anchor University, Deeper Life Owned (Screenshots) by EmmySparky(m): 11:40am On Jan 15, 2017|
Junior66:u result to insults cos u got nothing reasonable to say...answer thge question i asked u or keep mute if u got nothing meaningful to say
|Re: School Fees Of Anchor University, Deeper Life Owned (Screenshots) by Jokerman(m): 11:42am On Jan 15, 2017|
Amen to that sire....
|Re: School Fees Of Anchor University, Deeper Life Owned (Screenshots) by Chikelue2000(m): 12:17pm On Jan 15, 2017|
BiafranBushBoy:I am proud to see my brother here, deeper life till Christ come
|Re: School Fees Of Anchor University, Deeper Life Owned (Screenshots) by laudate: 12:31pm On Jan 15, 2017|
Oh, so the Catholic archdiocese is not part of the Catholic Church, abi? And they did not get the approval of the Catholic Church to set it up? Why una dey argue like person wey no go school, nah??
|Re: School Fees Of Anchor University, Deeper Life Owned (Screenshots) by Nobody: 12:52pm On Jan 15, 2017|
atheistandproud:I understand your pain, they have to go and be brainwashed every Sunday. That's their opiom.
|Re: School Fees Of Anchor University, Deeper Life Owned (Screenshots) by pressplay411(m): 1:01pm On Jan 15, 2017|
The grudge is not just the cut throat fees.
Why are all churches so profit oriented?
Why are they not venturing into charitable institutions? Hospitals, rehabs, orphanages, IDP camps etc?
The initial primary target of the church from inception are the poor and oppressed. But now it seems only the rich and affluent are catered for.
But quote some bible verses and you've pressed their mumu-button cos they just lose their better judgment while defending their church and MOG.
The bible is full of wisdom no doubt but so is reality.
|Re: School Fees Of Anchor University, Deeper Life Owned (Screenshots) by flamingREED(m): 1:01pm On Jan 15, 2017|
A church of 5 million members? Where in Nigeria?
Did you also consider the unemployed youngsters and school leavers who are part of the church membership?
Do your Maths again.
Understand that the church can only hold one-tenth of the wealth of the working class.
Anything above that is given by freewill or sacrificially.
If the people hold 85% of their own wealth,
How come that 85% of their wealth cannot do for them what 10 - 15% tithes and offering can do? Because you want the church to care for everyone with that same percentage.
If you're unbiased enough, can you tell how much it takes to run a church?
Four or five months at the tail end of last year, Deeper Life Port Harcourt was supposed to spend about #30 000 000 (thirty million naira) each of those months to execute the crusade.
And we have over a billion naira auditorium in the pipeline here in PH.
We execute several retreats and convocations in the year which gulp hundreds of million if not billions.
We send part of the offerings to Lagos which are in turn released to build churches and furnish some existing ones.
Think of the staff in PH headquarters plus those in the Rivers regions who are on salaries: Say they are 300 in number and each receives 50 000 naira monthly, I.e #15m monthly.
There are also those on scholarships and charity.
Now, say we have 50 000 paying #5000 tithe monthly. That adds up to #250m a month.
Does that seem to meet the needs of the church in the long run?
In summary, a true church is just.
The God that instituted tithing specifically said: 'THAT there may be meat in MY house'.
It's entirely for church uses, not necessarily for charity'.
But that we still do.
Don't think you know much about Deeper Life.
|Re: School Fees Of Anchor University, Deeper Life Owned (Screenshots) by dyabman(m): 1:52pm On Jan 15, 2017|
How much does an ordinary church member contributed ? I as an ordinary member of the church i can't remember when last i contributed to whatever they ask of in the church aside my tithe (which is normal) and it wasn't even announced/mandatory that all members should contribute certain amount of money for the development of a University.
Even government universities that is so cheap it's even expensive for an ordinary citizen in Nigeria who lives under $1 a day !.
|Re: School Fees Of Anchor University, Deeper Life Owned (Screenshots) by kaluxy007(m): 1:56pm On Jan 15, 2017|
asuustrike2009:Did everybody who contribute benefit? no
Who told you the tithe their tithes and offering of the multitude can't sustain it? i need to know d cost of running that school.
|Re: School Fees Of Anchor University, Deeper Life Owned (Screenshots) by Nobody: 1:57pm On Jan 15, 2017|
Daboywizzy:.If I may ask ,are u a christain ?
|Re: School Fees Of Anchor University, Deeper Life Owned (Screenshots) by sirfemoz(m): 2:10pm On Jan 15, 2017|
What is the difference between Obafemi Awolowo Professor and Anchor University Professor? What has the Church given back to the society? I was told that the early missionaries brought schools and hospitals to some communities free of charge, without collecting dime from members. What has the present church given to the society?
|Re: School Fees Of Anchor University, Deeper Life Owned (Screenshots) by Nobody: 2:19pm On Jan 15, 2017|
kaluxy007:Tithe and offerings can't sustain it because there are other expensive they incur.
|Re: School Fees Of Anchor University, Deeper Life Owned (Screenshots) by Nobody: 2:25pm On Jan 15, 2017|
frosbel2:Stop your hatred and go and set up your university if you're not comfortable. Nobody is forcing anyone to attend neither are the members complaining
|Re: School Fees Of Anchor University, Deeper Life Owned (Screenshots) by jozz(m): 3:28pm On Jan 15, 2017|
|Re: School Fees Of Anchor University, Deeper Life Owned (Screenshots) by Chelseafan1: 3:35pm On Jan 15, 2017|
I never contributed 1 kobo to this Cause and no one bothered me to pay anything, even if you don't pay ur tithe and offering, no one will disturb you.
|Re: School Fees Of Anchor University, Deeper Life Owned (Screenshots) by jozz(m): 3:40pm On Jan 15, 2017|
Best comment of the thread.
|Re: School Fees Of Anchor University, Deeper Life Owned (Screenshots) by battleaxe: 4:02pm On Jan 15, 2017|
Being a nun or priest is a calling. You also cannot force people to volunteer their time willingly.
In fact let's not go too far, would you volunteer your time free or charge or either just a stipend paid monthly for your services in a missionary school?
|Re: School Fees Of Anchor University, Deeper Life Owned (Screenshots) by Mobinatric: 4:40pm On Jan 15, 2017|
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