MrMontella:

the baba wan vanish like dat oo..

Johnydon22 sire...are you now married ??

4kings:

Oga, you are very rare this days ooo, not even Science and Technology section.
Happy new year!

Lol i rarely have time to argue these days, money got my time now.

And the religious board has degraded to a level too low in terms of intellectual discussions..

Take a look up there, sassy remarks and silly memes are not arguments - i no get that energy again.

But i am still there, if you guys need me anytime just mention me (not the usual group mention thingy)

Special furnace for special candidate

raquel97:
Special furnace for special candidate

Interpretation: I have no sensible rebuttal to the OP so I'll comfort myself with images of him burning in hell forever for not sharing in my delusions

johnydon22:


Lol i rarely have time to argue these days, money got my time now.

And the religious board has degraded to a level too low in terms of intellectual discussions..

Take a look up there, sassy remarks and silly memes are not arguments - i no get that energy again.

But i am still there, if you guys need me anytime just mention me (not the usual group mention thingy)

okay sire!

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Ranchhoddas:
Hehehe

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Na self-diagnosis.

Did you read on christian atheism?

Are you trying to change the Christian belief?
if yes,
i put it to you ,you are the anti- Christ sir .
some of you said , ADAM did not eat the fruit from any tree , but the bible says
Adam ate the fruit.
John 1:1- 8 ,said ,Jesus is God and you say he was your fellow man,
now the death of Jesus Christ as a random to our own death in sin is now worthless you,

Mathew 23:13.
But woe unto you, the scribes and the Pharisees, hypocrite !
for your shut up the kingdom of heaven
against men : for you neither go in your selves , neither suffered ye them that are entering to go in ..
Now , what will you say about the ancient sacrifices of human blood ,
which Christianity abolished and the blood of Christ supersits all
What will you say about the slave trade that stop for Christianity sake
which I believe that by now many ox us would gave been sold to babalawo
but now , our faith and believe in Christ has make us free .

so pastor , I still believed what the Bible say about Jesus,

seems Christianity gives these atheists sleepless nights....no day passes by without a thread on Christianity or GOD....sometimes I wonder how something that doesn't exist will be what I will engage most of the hours of my day on.....I think each day the atheists always try hard to convince them
selves that GOD doesn't exist and hence having sleepless night over GOD

Rankine:
seems [s]Christianity gives these atheists sleepless nights....no day passes by without a thread on Christianity or GOD....sometimes I wonder how something that doesn't exist will be what I will engage most of the hours of my day on.....I think each day the atheists always try hard to convince them
selves that GOD doesn't exist and hence having sleepless night over GOD
[/s]

address the OP

For the word of the cross seems foolish to those who are on the way to destruction, but to us who are on the way to salvation it is the power of God. 1 corinthians 1:18.

I pray you know the thruth and the truth set your feet towards the salvation he made available for us on the cross

Lennycool:

Did you read on christian atheism?

Yes I did. It's not remotely close to what I believe.

Ranchhoddas:
Yes I did. It's not remotely close to what I believe.

Damn. You're on a whole other level

Na so I see am o.

Lennycool:
Damn. You're on a whole other level

If Jesus died for humanity, he should remain dead and not to wake up again.

And if his ultimate sacrifice is to save people from his father's hell, then he should be in hell burning forever while men should be free.

But a man dying for the sins of men only to wake up three days later and start cruising in heaven?

Then lastly, if jesus paying for our punishment was a day torture of beating and then dying on the cross.. Then humans should be given the same treatment, a sinner after death should be flogged and hung for a day after which he shall be set free to enjoy heaven not the everlasting torture in hell.


someone should tell uncle Yaweh dat he did not burn his son forever, why should he burn men forever

Wilgrea7:
@ OP.... your post is very long so i could not quote everything... so I'll just reply... let me start with the resurrection of Jesus.. it has been a controversy among many people... Christians inclusive.. please not that what i am about to say should be tagged as my personal opinion and should not be used to generalise the whole Christian view and i admit to not understanding it fully.. so i will explain to the best of my limited knowledge

ok

Christians point to the part in the bible that says “he was bruised for our iniquities"... he indeed was.. but he was not a kind of alter sacrifice as you may call it.. you will agree with me that its not every time you hear the word sacrifice that it has to do with someone burning something waiting for the aroma to get to God.. a sacrifice can be like a scenario where you risk your life to go into battle.. but when you come out victorious, the sacrifice was worth it.... so the question goes.... why did Jesus die??... everyone will say it was to pay for our sins... if he died to pay for our sins? then why did he wake up?
does it cancel the deal? no!

" For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of His Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by His life " (Romans 5:10).

we were reconciled to God by the death of Christ... we are saved by his resurrection... if you deserve to be shot and someone takes the bullet for you and he/she survives... does it mean he/she didn't take the bullet for you?.. the bible always refers to Jesus as the lamb that was slain for the sins of the world.. please note its the word "slain".. you find words like.. “killed"... these are verbs.. to represent something done to something... it was Jesus's death(verb) that was the payment for our Sins... not the noun.. payment for our sins isn't about him staying dead... its about the “death"... that's why you hear “he was bruised for our transgressions"... that's why you see that the death of Jesus was completely humiliating and painful.. with the crown of thorns.. the whips, spits, etc... its not about him being in a state of death that counts for our sins being payed.. its about actually dying and how the death is.. that's why lambs are "slain" not "poisoned".. its still the same death(state of death) the lamb arrives.. but its the significance of the "slain" that accounts for the sins.. that's why Jesus was not simply poisoned or just quickly stabbed to death.. the significance of the death that mattered.. that was the "death" for our sins...

i stepped in to take the bullet... i did take the bullet.. your punishment was being shot.. i
offered to take your punishment... i was shot... if i died and came back to life... it doesn't mean i didn't die at all.. the wages of sin is death(as in force) not death(as in state)... a state of death isn't the punishment for sin... it is the death itself.. the part of you dying.. losing your life... not the state you are in after you lose your life...

like i said... this is from my own understanding and should not be generalised to Christians as a whole.. this is the best i could give from my limited knowledge on the subject as i myself do not claim to understand it 100%

cc: hahn .. Ranchhoddas

Then sinners dat die should be given the same treatment and not everlasting torture.

Uncle Yaweh didn't burn his son, did he?

But why must the almighty have his son slain in the first place to ease his anger? does he not have other intelligent ways to solve the world problems other than bloodshed and torture?

realmindz:
If Jesus died for humanity, he should remain dead and not to wake up again.

And if his ultimate sacrifice is to save people from his father's hell, then he should be in hell burning forever while men should be free.

But a man dying for the sins of men only to wake up three days later and start cruising in heaven?

Then lastly, if jesus paying for our punishment was a day torture of beating and then dying on the cross.. Then humans should be given the same treatment, a sinner after death should be flogged and hung for a day after which he shall be set free to enjoy heaven not the everlasting torture in hell.


someone should tell uncle Yaweh dat he did not burn his son forever, why should he burn men forever

lol
Yahweh has no common sense na

realmindz:


Then sinners dat die should be given the same treatment and not everlasting torture.

Uncle Yaweh didn't burn his son, did he?

But why must the almighty have his son slain in the first place to ease his anger? does he not have other intelligent ways to solve the world problems other than bloodshed and torture?

You forget Jehovah loves the smell of suya

hahn:

You forget Jehovah loves the smell of suya

lol, that guy is a psychophat...
Imagine someone that sniffs roasted meat to appease his anger

realmindz:


Then sinners dat die should be given the same treatment and not everlasting torture.

this everlasting torture you're talking about... not every Christian believes in it.. even going by biblical books, i wouldn't still believe in it... so let's leave the afterlife till when we get there... cuz the afterlife is still a mystery.. all i know is that God's judgement is just and all men will either be rewarded or punished according to their deeds.. God is just

Uncle Yahweh didn't burn his son, did he?

no he did not

But why must the almighty have his son slain in the first place to ease his anger? does he not have other intelligent ways to solve the world problems other than bloodshed and torture?

he didn't kill Jesus to ease his anger.. Jesus was a sacrifice.. he usually told his disciples that he is laying down his life at his own accord.. he made the decision to lay down his life before coming to earth... the masoretic texts show God as angry at the time of crucifixion.. but the Septuagint shows a rather loving God in sorrow at that time.

thats why john 3;16 said “for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son..." and not “for God was so pissed with the world that he killed his son to ease his rage"... the former is true.. the latter is a lie

Wilgrea7:


this everlasting torture you're talking about... not every Christian believes in it.. even going by biblical books, i wouldn't still believe in it... so let's leave the afterlife till when we get there... cuz the afterlife is still a mystery.. all i know is that God's judgement is just and all men will either be rewarded or punished according to their deeds.. God is just



no he did not



he didn't kill Jesus to ease his anger.. Jesus was a sacrifice.. he usually told his disciples that he is laying down his life at his own accord.. he made the decision to lay down his life before coming to earth... the masoretic texts show God as angry at the time of crucifixion.. but the Septuagint shows a rather loving God in sorrow at that time.

thats why john 3;16 said “for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son..." and not “for God was so pissed with the world that he killed his son to ease his rage"... the former is true.. the latter is a lie

So what do u think is the punishment for those who do not believe Jesus?

And why must someone even be punished in the first place for not believing something? that's weird.

also, with all the supposed wisdom of Yaweh, the best method to save the world is to offer his son has sacrifice through torture and death....
And the method is not even working because majority of the world won't meet that condition.

And Yaweh couldn't predict the confusions, religious wars, hatred, divisions and several contradicting doctrines all these will cause in future. Yahweh is not that wise after all

realmindz:


So what do u think is the punishment for those who do not believe Jesus?

And why must someone even be punished in the first place for not believing something? that's weird.

i already told you... i don't have full details.. all i know is that the reward or punishment will be just

also, with all the supposed wisdom of Yaweh, the best method to save the world is to offer his son has sacrifice through torture and death....
And the method is not even working because majority of the world won't meet that condition.

i don't understand this point.. please expatiate

And Yaweh couldn't predict the confusions, religious wars, hatred, divisions and several contradicting doctrines all these will cause in future. Yahweh is not that wise after all

we humans have a way of complicating things.. that's what caused the above.. did God tell them to start forming doctrines and starting wars? people do this to claim monopoly of truth and way.. or to conquer and rule.. obviously ignoring when Jesus preached against things like this

Wilgrea7:


i already told you... i don't have full details.. all i know is that the reward or punishment will be just



i don't understand this point.. please expatiate



we humans have a way of complicating things.. that's what caused the above.. did God tell them to start forming doctrines and starting wars? people do this to claim monopoly of truth and way.. or to conquer and rule.. obviously ignoring when Jesus preached against things like this

So Yaweh in his infinite wisdom could not come up with better options that won't result in contradicting doctrines and wars.. The all wise Yaweh should ve predicted all these.

And I asked why must someone be tortured and killed for humanity to be saved, and it's obvious that majority of the world won't even be saved.
So Jesus dying is useless.

Lastly, why must someone be punished for not believing something?

realmindz:
If

someone should tell uncle Yaweh dat he did not burn his son forever, why should he burn men forever

You seem scared. I thought hell doesn't exist, why are you scared of something that doesn't exist? I

Rilwayne001:


You seem scared. I thought hell doesn't exist, why are you scared of something that doesn't exist? I

It would seem he is scared because you are reading it from your own perspective of fear of hell

The fact that you fear hell does not mean others who talk about how absurd the idea is share the same feelings

hahn:


It would seem he is scared because you are reading it from your own perspective of fear of hell

Wrong. From whatever perspective that one may be reading it from, obviously, he believes there's hell.

The fact that you fear hell does not mean others who talk about how absurd the idea is share the same feelings

I'm not scared of hell.

And he wasn't talking or viewing the idea of hell as absurd, rather he believes the judgement of God from the biblical perspective as absurd.

I'm most saying he believes in hell or something or doesn't really find the idea as ridiculous, all I'm saying is that, in that particular post of his; he was faulting the idea of Jesus dying for our sins and not really about hell.

Rilwayne001:


Wrong. From whatever perspective that one may be reading it from, obviously, he believes there's hell.



I'm not scared of hell.

And he wasn't talking or viewing the idea of hell as absurd, rather he believes the judgement of God from the biblical perspective as absurd.

I'm most saying he believes in hell or something or doesn't really find the idea as ridiculous, all I'm saying is that, in that particular post of his; he was faulting the idea of Jesus dying for our sins and not really about hell.

Let's ask him

Realmindz, do you believe in hell?

hahn:


Let's ask him

Realmindz, do you believe in hell?

lol, do u believe I have a magic wand that can turn you to a goat if you dont follow my orders...?