randomperson:

If morality was absolute, there would be no controversy as to right or wrong. Morality goes beyond murder and rape, it includes things like pre-marital sex, drinking of alcohol, wearing of mini skirts, smoking... The controversy as regards morality far outweighs the consensus about morality.

if morality was absolute things that were a sin in the old testament would have remained sins in the new testament

jonbellion:
if morality was absolute things that were a sin in the old testament would have remained sins in the new testament

Bless you!! Morality changes over time and place. That's essentially the meaning of subjectivity.

Is rape absolutely bad?

Cc: benzics

randomperson:

If morality was absolute, there would be no controversy as to right or wrong. Morality goes beyond murder and rape, it includes things like pre-marital sex, drinking of alcohol, wearing of mini skirts, smoking... The controversy as regards morality far outweighs the consensus about morality.

Exactly.
Because the devil has twisted people's minds.
So there os bound to be arguments

DoctorAlien:
Is rape absolutely bad?

Cc: benzics

Ask your God. He was busy rewarding men that raped women by teling them to marry their victims. He was busy sharing virgins as war booty. Does your God who you claim is the source or morality see rape as absolutely wrong? No he doesn't.

felixomor:

Exactly.
Because the devil has twisted people's minds.
So there os bound to be arguments

Describe this devIL to us and give us detailed explanation as to how he twist people's minds. What mechanism does he use and how does he do it?

dalaman:


Ask your God. He was busy rewarding men that raped women by teling them to marry their victims. He was busy sharing virgins as war booty. Does your God who you claim is the source or morality see rape as absolutely wrong? No he doesn't.

If you have nothing intelligent to say, just stay off this thread.

You must not make foolish comments all the time.

DoctorAlien:


If you have nothing intelligent to say, just stay off this thread.

You must not make foolish comments all the time.

The action of your God embarrases you. I wast the one that was telling guys to marry their rape victims. It was your God who you claim to be the source of morality. Even you are ashamed of his injunctions. Will you allow a man that rapes your daughter to marry her? Your God doesn't see anything wrong with it and told people to do so.

DoctorAlien:


If you have nothing intelligent to say, just stay off this thread.

You must not make foolish comments all the time.

I tire

dalaman:


The action of your God embarrases you. I wast the one that was telling guys to marry their rape victims. It was your God who you claim to be the source of morality. Even you are ashamed of his injunctions. Will you allow a man that rapes your daughter to marry her? Your God doesn't see anything wrong with it and told people to do so.

Seun, this person is derailing this thread.

dalaman:


Ask your God. He was busy rewarding men that raped women by teling them to marry their victims. He was busy sharing virgins as war booty. Does your God who you claim is the source or morality see rape as absolutely wrong? No he doesn't.

you are supposed to rebut his statement sir

felixomor:

Exactly.
Because the devil has twisted people's minds.
So there os bound to be arguments

The devil has twisted people's minds, right? So tell us what is the absolute moral law about alcohol, smoking, slavery and wearing mini skirts. Just tell me which one is right or wrong by the absolute moral standard given by god. Am assuming your own mind has not been twisted by the devil.

jonbellion:
you are supposed to rebut his statement sir

He doesn't rebut statements. I've learned to answer them they way the answer others.

DoctorAlien:


Seun, this person is derailing this thread.

How can you say rape is absolutely wrong when your God who you claim is the source of morality doesn't see it as wrong? He rewards rapist with their victims.

randomperson:

The devil has twisted people's minds, right? So tell us what is the absolute moral law about alcohol, smoking, slavery and wearing mini skirts. Just tell me which one is right or wrong by the absolute moral standard given by god. Am assuming your own mind has not been twisted by the devil.

The bible already tells u
Galatians 5 tells us what the fruits of the flesh are.
If u read it,
U wont have any questions.

felixomor:


The bible already tells u
Galatians 5 tells us what the fruits of the flesh are.
If u read it,
U wont have any questions.

So, before Galatians 5, there was no morality??

randomperson:

So, before Galatians 5, there was no morality??

Leave those before
Focus on what u just listed above
Dont drift.

felixomor:


Leave those before
Focus on what u just listed above
Dont drift.

Am focusing on them... Before Galatians 5, was slavery wrong. Was drinking alcohol wrong?

dalaman:


How can you say rape is absolutely wrong when your God who you claim is the source of morality doesn't see it as wrong? He rewards rapist with their victims.

I think the best way to put that statement for the followers of the divine command theory is that the Abrahamic God seemed to portray a very arbituary form of morality
A good example was that the Abrahamic God after giving Moses the 10 commandments saw the isrealites worshipping a golden calf. He wanted to destroy them all(genocide) but was talked out of it by Moses ironically after giving the commandment thou shalt not kill
That was a very arbitrary use of morality and Moses made him change his mind. Now if they are proposing thy idea of absolute morality then why did morality change so drastically in the new testament
If something is wrong only because God says so then is it really wrong. This actually validates the statement above
Why do these people always want to eat their cake and have it
Is this a joke
Smh
*walks out of thread*

randomperson:

Am focusing on them... Before Galatians 5, was slavery wrong. Was drinking alcohol wrong?

Is it wrong to be a civil servant?

jonbellion:
I think the best way to put that statement for the followers of the divine command theory is that the Abrahamic God seemed to portray a very arbituary form of morality
A good example was that the Abrahamic God after giving Moses the 10 commandments saw the isrealites worshipping a golden calf. He wanted to destroy them all(genocide) but was talked out of it by Moses ironically after giving the commandment thou shalt not kill
That was a very arbitrary use of morality and Moses made him change his mind. Now if they are proposing thy idea of absolute morality then why did morality change so drastically in the new testament
If something is wrong only because God says so then is it really wrong. This actually validates the statement above
Why do these people always want to eat their cake and have it
Is this a joke
Smh
*walks out of thread*

I can give very cogent points as to why some moral principles are absolute and how men formed such absolute moral codes. I don't consider him as a honest person as such I am just answering him the way he answers others.

felixomor:


Is it wrong to be a civil servant?

U resort to stupid statements when are cornered...
Anyways, here's the point. Slavery was not wrong before even according to the law given by god but now it's wrong. If morality was absolute it wouldn't change. The fact that it changes shows that it's not absolute.

felixomor:


Is it wrong to be a civil servant?

what the .......

jonbellion:
what the .......

I feel your pain ...

jonbellion:
what the .......

Oh.....u r shocked abi?
Remain so.

randomperson:

U resort to stupid statements when are cornered...
Anyways, here's the point. Slavery was not wrong before even according to the law given by god but now it's wrong. If morality was absolute it wouldn't change. The fact that it changes shows that it's not absolute.

Quiet.
What u r calling slavery(biblical servant by agreement ) is not the slavery that people in africa were being kidnapped to europe and America without conscent for.

Dont tie things up from two completely different eras to create confusion.

felixomor:


Do a little research,
Nigerian Constitution was copied from british
Of course british was gotten from Christian/Judaism laws and likewise other european nations, also likewise america......etc

The list goes on...
Good and evil stems from religion

Overtime, arguments from liberals is what has even made some little changes...
Atheism has no business with good and evil.

your argument fails woefully because religion does not translate to God...

Atheistic and non theistic religions exist..

There is something I have noticed about atheist, they are so so angry.

DoctorAlien:
No "atheist" has been able to give us the reason why rape or murder is bad absolutely. Could it be that they are not really moral subjectivists as they claim?

..ok..simple question...

Do you want to be murdered?

MrMontella:

your argument fails woefully because religion does not translate to God...

Atheistic and non theistic religions exist..

Quiet, u never learn
There is nothing like atheistic religion.
Only those that are indifferent...

I even wonder if u even know what that means.

felixomor:
Quiet, u never learn There is nothing like atheistic religion. Only those that are indifferent...
I even wonder if u even know what that means.

why do you love insults? Stop being a kid...outgrow this lame character...
Maybe you should read up on jainism.

felixomor:


Quiet.
What u r calling slavery(biblical servant by agreement ) is not the slavery that people in africa were being kidnapped to europe and America without conscent for.

Dont tie things up from two completely different eras to create confusion.

You sabi lie. Which servant by agreement?


However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46

So buying slaves and treating them as property is servant by agreement abI. Wuna sabi tell lies for Jesus oo.