sinola:

average yoruba man cannot practise celibacy....they like women die

Exactly my point

juman:


I dont know about that.

But I think he and some others like him that are catholic stars need some sorts of free hand a bit to excel.

Freehand you said? When their priestley calling made them take vows of obedience and poverty? I think the church in the east need a bit of re-orientation. The same behaviour made the priests and people of Mbaise reject a bishop appointed for them by the vatican.

Cyberrex:

seconded

We replied your pm Sir.

Ogashub:
I observed that too

Yoruba's and igbos are miracle mongers.. You will always see them in noise making churches falling down into and out of annoiting.. They dont like how Catholics quietly and mannerfully pray.. We belive in the powers of the blessed sacrament which still works wonders... Proud Catholic

what are u saying?no b igbos get catholic church?

I dint know what yardstick used to reach your conclusion, but i can tell that there are many Yoruba priest in catholic than you can imagine. To me your assertion is wrong and misleading.

Mpanyi:


Hahaha. Lame argument that fails to fly. Before God we are all the same.

A baby is not qualified for baptism whether you want to believe it or not. Jesus Christ was baptized as a man. And never baptized any baby. The apostles never baptized any baby. .....Baptism is the begin of your Christian journey ....you need to accept Christ for yourself and not by proxy.


Every building requires a foundation. You need a personal conviction of what you are about to do before you do it ........you walk into a river or pool with your legs and be baptized. ...... the Bible says unless a man be born , in this context , it is so wing about maturity.

juman:


Mbaka was transferred to another parish. It was a way to censor him.

@bolded
I dont believe their priests cannot stand alone if they have their own churches.
Are the not nigerians like the pastors of the private own churches?

The censor being discussed is majorly around finance.....did he close his adoration ministry? Does he remit his money to the larger Catholic Church and the school he is said to be building in his area of Enugu state , is it answerable to the Catholic Church?

tete7000:



Freehand you said? When their priestley calling made them take vows of obedience and poverty? I think the church in the east need a bit of re-orientation. The same behaviour made the priests and people of Mbaise reject a bishop appointed for them by the vatican.

You are right. They took the vows of obedience and poverty, but their activities are for the progress of their mission.

Look, his activities propagate his believe. For example I knew so little about catholicism before but when his name was mentioned many times in the news, I tried to know more about the catholicism in south east and nigeria.

brostheo:
They are busy donating money to their f daddies in the Lord, Adeboye and oyedepo



In between ,Yoruba people too like miracles, that na why them Oyedepo ,Tb Joshua they take them do yeye

That's a layman argument, have you checked the baptist?
Not saying this cos am a baptist or watever but not all the yoruba's are in support of penetcostal churches.
Have asked myself this question too that why are there no much baptist in the eastern part of the country? But I got my answer through history.
Just check the history of catholic and anglican, it came into nigeria soil through the east, onishta particular and spread through the eastern side. Same thing applicable to baptist, baptist dominated the southwest cos it started from ogun. Just like the north too, islam was the first religion to hit the place in the 4thcentury.
Now to the pentecostal churches you talked about, though their G.O and pastors are yorubas, but do you notice that most of their members are igbos.
Am very sure of this cos last week I attended TTC in gwaripa, today I attended COZA in close to national stadium. Believe me it was flood with igbos.

ipodstinks:
if they start with you now, you will start your victim cry as usual and start shouting they are too tribalist. your useless kinsmen are blind to see this now, but when they give it to you, it is then you will see their flat head filled with water as a result of the victim cry. make the yorubas just do as if they did not see this to avoid Igbos ghommids.

haba,see bitter painment o

from ur thrash above, it's u whoss whinning,moaning,grieving,mouthfoaming and crying...

and when u talk about and accuse others of being tribal,what u gat to say about ur good_citizen moniker?

O4onja

op,the catholic church is a sacred place meant for pious and ppl of reverence and for sinners who wanna live the Godly life....it aint a garrage for owodas and omo_ageges,not for touts and agberos to officiate and control,not for sepe and ogogoro rum_pot cone heads o.....and its certainly not for sophisticated braunruffas


yu right,lets ignore the 'trons ghommids and cone head homonids and be gud citizens

tete7000:


There are northern catholics. Your use of the word 'hardly' does not connotes reality.

Never said there are none



But they are very few

Nodogragra4me:



Bread Mark 16:17.... the identity of every believer is ....these signs shall follow them that believe or that one no dey your bible ......all your arguement against speaking in tongue na in flesh you can't support your arguement with the scripture ....Jesus no speak in tongue because him na the tongue and him say na when him don go back na the Pentecost and therefore New Testament go start ....until him throwaway him blood , he was only fulfilling prophecy so technically the New Testament start from the acts of the apostle ........you wey no dey worship pastor no sabi anything .... .IN MY NAME , THEY SHALL SPEAK IN NEW TONGUE. Every time you guys rush to name pastors....una no go grow up and see that men are reading and chewing the word and questioning the doctrines of your church ...when it suit you , you say we should worship Jesus when it doesn't you find a new support .....Jesus Christ is our guide and he was baptized at what age?




All the scripture wey you gather no tell you say make you carry small poking go do baptism for am......baptism na the beginning Kpa kpa of your Christian journey...you need to have personal conviction to do am ....no be ritual or religion ...Jesus did it at the age of thirsty and immediately start him ministry......or Peter know pass Jesus.


Repent and be baptized...wet in the liking know ...rise and be baptized.....no for picking wey dey suck Brest ......him no fit rise not to talk of near river for baptizing.....dem not dey carry person for body do am or he get anybody dem carry for body as smally go baptized for your version of the Bible

'Men are indeed chewing the words'
My friend go back and read what I posted again. Read it very carefully or better still chew it.
Then after that go and read 1 Corinthians14. Read it slowly not quickly so that you will understand it very well.

Catholic Church has not in any way condemned speaking in tongues, or made it compulsory that everyone should speak in tongues. Because no passages of the Bible stated that every Christians MUST speak in tongue.

Talking about infant baptism, if you read my post very well, you will understand that Catholic church did not said that you MUST baptise at infant. She only encourages it. If you chew what I wrote, you will see the reason why she encourages it. Also Christ’s law applies to infants as well as adults, for Jesus said that no one can enter heaven unless he has been born again of water and the Holy Spirit (John 3:5). His words can be taken to apply to anyone capable of belonging to his kingdom. He asserted such even for children: "Let the children come to me, and do not hinder them; for to such belongs the kingdom of heaven" (Matt. 19:14).

Talking about questioning Catholic doctrines, you're the one that need to question the doctrines of your pastors. An individual can't just come and impose his personal views or his understanding of the Bible on me.
Catholic Church is an institution instituted by Christ not a personal church.

Et unam sanctam catholicam et apostolicam ecclesiam, confiter Unum baptisma, in remmisionem .....
This is our faith, this is our believe. I love the Holy Roman catholic and the body and blood of ou lord Jesus Christ is the center and summit of our life and faith.

ALAYORMII:


Never said there are none



But they are very few

Hardly connotes extremely few. I don't think so. The church has a spread in the north and many indigenous people are part of the church.

Amarabae:

I disagree with you.
there are many Igbos in Anglican and even in my Methodist church.
Catholic spread very well in the east sha.
all the same,what matters its that we should be in a church that serves God truely.

No church serves God truly

onyenze123:

No church serves God truly

how?

nuelsylves:


'Men are indeed chewing the words'
My friend go back and read what I posted again. Read it very carefully or better still chew it.
Then after that go and read 1 Corinthians14. Read it slowly not quickly so that you will understand it very well.

Catholic Church has not in any way condemned speaking in tongues, or made it compulsory that everyone should speak in tongues. Because no passages of the Bible stated that every Christians MUST speak in tongue.

Talking about infant baptism, if you read my post very well, you will understand that Catholic church did not said that you MUST baptise at infant. She only encourages it. If you chew what I wrote, you will see the reason why she encourages it. Also Christ’s law applies to infants as well as adults, for Jesus said that no one can enter heaven unless he has been born again of water and the Holy Spirit (John 3:5). His words can be taken to apply to anyone capable of belonging to his kingdom. He asserted such even for children: "Let the children come to me, and do not hinder them; for to such belongs the kingdom of heaven" (Matt. 19:14).

Talking about questioning Catholic doctrines, you're the one that need to question the doctrines of your pastors. An individual can't just come and impose his personal views or his understanding of the Bible on me.
Catholic Church is an institution instituted by Christ not a personal church.

Jesus said in Mark 16:17...,.,. This signs shall follow them that believe .....if you believe that will be your identity ......he didn't not say it through the apostle or in an espitle to any city but he said it himself that these signs shall follow them that believe .....you know pass Jesus or what ......he said these signs ....



If the signs are not following you it is because you don't believe .....Jesus said so not me ....read am abeg ...na Mark 16:17



He said children and not babies should come and not be carried to him abi that is not what is written in your bible.

jonnytad:
Yeeepaaa, na bible talk dat one?

low lifer the catholics wrote the Bible

Nodogragra4me:



The Bible says , unless a MAN be born not unless a baby is born again in water and not in basin ....every grown person who can reason for themselves is a man whether man or woman.

Christ’s law applies to infants as well as adults, for Jesus said that no one can enter heaven unless he has been born again of water and the Holy Spirit (John 3:5). His words can be taken to apply to anyone capable of belonging to his kingdom. He asserted such even for children: "Let the children come to me, and do not hinder them; for to such belongs the kingdom of heaven" (Matt. 19:14).

More detail is given in Luke’s account of this event, which reads: "Now they were bringing even infants to him that he might touch them; and when the disciples saw it, they rebuked them. But Jesus called them to him, saying, ‘Let the children come to me, and do not hinder them; for to such belongs the kingdom of God’" (Luke 18:15–16).


Going by your ideology, children or babies shouldn't be taken to the church. Also Women are not to be included too. Since according you the Bible says "unless a MAN is born again...,"

This is how you guys keeps misleading people around.

I don't know your location but there are many Yoruba Catholics in Osun, Ondo ,Ekiti and some parts of Ibadan. There are also very many Catholic Priests from the tribe. The fact that there are more of the Igbo tribe in the Church does not mean there are few Yoruba's there.

BabaCommander:
Someone just said it's cus they can't do without women. But OP, when did Roman Catholics became Christians?

lol before any Christian knee they would be Christians.

ALAYORMII:
The same reason you hardly see a northerner being Catholic

there are northern catholic
father matthew hassan kukah come to mind

Pheals:
the Baptist missionaries and the Methodist arrive to the south west first according to history and the Catholics to the east

What about the Anglican church? You are forgetting that the Anglicans and Methodist founded most of the Primary and Secondary schools in the South West after Independence. 6 out of 10 educated adult/middle age/old Yoruba person attended one of those schools. I am proudly one of them.

todaynewsreview:
There has been series of argument among folks over the few numbers of Roman Catholic members among the Yorubas. It is a common scenario seeing many Yorubas in denominations like The Redeemed Christian Church of God, Mountain of Fire, Living Faith, "White Garment Group of Churches", CAC, among others and even a good numbers among the Anglicans who are even Priests but the main subject of concern is why are there very few Roman Catholics or Revd Fathers of Yorubas?

If you know any Revd Father that is a Yoruba, you may reference him.

I implore oga Seun and lalasticlala to push this thread to front page for more responses.

Thanks.

Nearly half of Yoruba are Muslims, so what do you expect from them?

Nodogragra4me:



A baby is not qualified for baptism whether you want to believe it or not. Jesus Christ was baptized as a man. And never baptized any baby. The apostles never baptized any baby. .....Baptism is the begin of your Christian journey ....you need to accept Christ for yourself and not by proxy.


Every building requires a foundation. You need a personal conviction of what you are about to do before you do it ........you walk into a river or pool with your legs and be baptized. ...... the Bible says unless a man be born , in this context , it is so wing about maturity.

People interpreting bible to suit them. When bible says man begins to die after disobeying God, I hope that does not include children too. . Talking about conviction, why do you take your kids to church even when they are small without conviction. Even Jewish kids were presented in the temple, as a sign of initiation into Hewish tradition. Baptism is for all dear. Even if it's for formality as Christ's own is. For the apostles not baptizing kids, you don't have the power to know that, even though Peter must have baptized the converts whole family, including children. You don't have the power to know because you're not part of the unbroken apostolic succession as alluded to earlier.

kabayomi:
British came to the west through their colony Lagos. Spanish South South during slave trade and they are mostly catholics, you can see that in the region coupled with some mix of Spanish words in pidgin too

Wat is south south biko?

Besides d spanish never touch our shores but the portuguese did?

Naturalobserver:
what are u saying?no b igbos get catholic church?

no b ibos get catholic church...

ALAYORMII:
The same reason you hardly see a northerner being Catholic

Go to Southern Kaduna, almost all christains there are Catholics. Be sure of what you are saying before sharing.

Nodogragra4me:





Jesus said in Mark 16:17...,.,. This signs shall follow them that believe .....if you believe that will be your identity ......he didn't not say it through the apostle or in an espitle to any city but he said it himself that these signs shall follow them that believe .....you know pass Jesus or what ......he said these signs ....



If the signs are not following you it is because you don't believe .....Jesus said so not me ....read am abeg ...na Mark 16:17



He said children and not babies should come and not be carried to him abi that is not what is written in your bible.

On Mark 16:17, My problem with guys is that you only read passages of the Bible that suits your ideology. Again I'm begging you go and study 1Corinthians 14, please the whole of the chapter 14. Except if Corinthians is not part of your Bible.

1 Corinthians 14:22 says: 'So then, the gift of speaking in strange tongues is proof for unbelievers, not for believers, while the gift of proclaiming God's message is proof for believers, not for unbelievers.'
Even Christ said that he came for the sinners so that they will be saved.
All the signs and wonders performed by Christ is for the unbelievers to see and believe in him and God who sent him. AGAIN STUDY 1CORINTHIANS 14 PLEASE.

On your last point about children: GNT and NIV Lk18:15 used the word "some people brought their babies....." While KJV used the word" And they brought unto him also infants..."

O'boy study your Bible and understand it. Bible is to be studied "letter by letter, line by line, lesson by lesson."

orisa37:


Get what? I say I say I say The Yorubas don't want to bleep virgin Nuns.

Hoo my God

chidiebere2020:
SINCE the day Reverend Father Lutz from France stepped his feet on the soil of the ancient city of Onitsha in 1885, the history of the people of Eastern Nigeria has not been the same. Our history changed for the better. I do reflect, from time to time, on the heroism of European missionaries who left the relative comforts of their homes to come to Igboland and the rest of Eastern Nigeria from the 19th Century in order to bring the Good News to our people. Some died on the high seas. Some died of diseases like malaria endemic in the tropics. Some were killed by our people who innocently thought that they were strange and dangerous beings because the Europeans looked totally different from them. Yet, the Christian missionaries persisted because of their immense love of God and humanity. Father Lutz, Bishop Joseph Shannahan, Bishop Joseph Heery and other early missionaries are a perfect example of what the Bible calls agape love, or sacrificial love. May their souls rest in the bosom of the Lord. These authentic men of God did not just bring us the Gospel. They spearheaded the abolition of improper cultural practices like the killing of twins and the”osu” and “ohu” caste system. They brought us modern healthcare. The impressive hospitals they established in places like Onitsha, Ihiala and Adazi, all in Anambra State, several decades ago still provide our people with quality services. The Holy Rosary Hospital at Emekuku, Imo State, and St Luke’s Hospital, Anua, Akwa Ibom State, are among the numerous medical facilities established by the Church in Eastern Nigeria which have been of immense benefit to our people. Many people abandoned by their families and communities because they were afflicted by diseases like leprosy were treated in hospitals like these ones free of charge. I hesitate to imagine what Eastern Nigeria would have been without the Church. If not for Caritas, the Catholic charity, millions of our people would have perished during the civil war due to acute hunger. The Federal Government imposed an economic and food blockade against Eastern Nigeria because, as it argued, “starvation is a legitimate instrument of war”. Caritas cargo planes were strafed relentlessly, day and night. I personally benefitted greatly from the tones of dried milk, corned beef, salt, egg yoke, dried milk and other critical things made available by Caritas. The contribution of the Church to the educational development of Eastern Nigeria remain unparalleled. The missionaries used their limited resources to build schools all over the place, and products of these schools were competing favourably with their counterparts anywhere in the world. Generations of our best teachers, professors, lawyers, medical doctors and other professionals were trained in places like Christ the King College, Onitsha. I am a proud Old Boy of the great CKC. Up to 1970, many of the schools in various places in the Southeast were either established or managed by the Church. Like in other parts of the world, it has always been a thing of pride to associate with a Catholic Church owned or run school. Without the Church, there is no way Eastern Nigeria could have made the stupendous progress it has recorded in education, especially from 1945 when the Second World War came to an end. The Yoruba people of Western Nigeria, for instance, have a historical head start over the Igbo in education principally because major Yoruba towns and cities like Lagos are located on the coast; the white people who brought formal education to Nigeria came through the sea. Yet, within only two decades, the Igbo, to use Professor Chinua Achebe’s language, “had wiped out their educational handicap in one fantastic burst of energy”. By 1965, the Igbo were competing favourably with the Yoruba. In fact, there were more Igbo PhD holders among the Igbo than among the Yoruba, though the Yoruba had more professors. It is regrettable that the government took over Church schools in Nigeria, beginning with, of all places, East Central State (today’s Southeast). The forcible acquisition practically sounded the death knell of sound and solid education throughout the country. Hitherto, we received a kind of education which combined high academic standards with high morals and discipline. This was in line with the tradition of Catholic education everywhere in the world. It is, therefore, with joy that we note that some state governments have begun to return some of these schools to their proprietors. We look forward to having schools like CKC, Onitsha, and College of Immaculate Conception, Enugu, as well as St Patrick’s College, Calabar, return to their days of glory. We also note with delight that the Catholic Church has demonstrated great keenness on the development of higher education, particularly since the liberalisation of the ownership and management of tertiary institutions in Nigeria. It has far more private universities than any organisation. Some of the higher institutions it owns directly or indirectly are Madonna University which is the first private university in the country, Catholic University of Nigeria, Tansian University, St Augustine University, Renaissance University, Bishop Godfrey Okoye University, etc. It does, indeed, gladden the heart that the Catholic Archdiocese of Abuja, which in the mid 1990s established Loyola Jesuit College in Abuja, the most competitive secondary school in Nigeria, is working hard on building a Jesuit university in the Federal Capital Territory. The role of Opus Dei, a prelature of the Church, in the establishment and management of such famous new institutions as The Lagoon Secondary School in Lagos and The White Sands Secondary School, also in Lekki, Lagos, as well as the Pan African University in Lagos, is well appreciated. On the occasion of the 125th anniversary of the Catholic Church, it behoves the three Dioceses in Anambra State to seriously consider starting a famous university in the class of Pan African University, all the more so with the Archdiocese of Abuja about to establish a Jesuit University. After all, each of the dioceses is headed by a scholar of repute. We note with pride that the Church in the Onitsha Archdiocese and the Eastern Nigeria has remained faithful to its principal role: saving souls by reconciling man with his creator through preaching and practising the Good News. There are a lot of big churches everywhere, and many others are springing up rapidly. The churches are always full. Our seminaries, convents and monasteries are full of young men and women eager to serve God with all their being. Our people are the bedrock of Catholicism in every part of Nigeria. Bishop Shannahan described Eastern Nigerians as “natural Catholics”. We gave the Church Blessed Iwene Tansi, the first West African to be beatified. We gave the Church Dominic Cardinal Ekandem and Francis Cardinal Arinze. We produced Rt Rev Godfrey Okoye, the extraordinarily dynamic first Bishop of Enugu Diocese who had earlier served as the Bishop of Port Harcourt and led a holy life. We gave the Church Michael Eneja, the late Bishop of Enugu who led a saintly life right from the time he was in Onitsha as a young priest and inspired a generation of young people into going to the Ministry Mr. Chike MADUEKWE, a lawyer, writes from Anambra

Read more at: http://www.vanguardngr.com/2010/12/125-years-of-catholic-church-in-eastern-nigeria/

extra sheet please...na wa o. despite all this epistle you failed to answer the question...whether correctly or incorrectly.