khalids:
Like they say "What goes around comes around"
Many civilizations have risen and fallen....and many will still do so

And if you look through history you will see that any time a new civilization rises they always try to erase the existence of the previous civilization.

So I guess its the time of the white man now.......What I know for sure is, the time of the blacks will come once again, but I do hope we will treat others better than they are treating us now....

However we need to preach our greatness to our children, we need to know about our greatness and revive it once again
We need to stop all the divisions among our people....we need to unite and pull our resources and show the world our greatness once again.
We have been seeing flashes of our greatness across the world in business, academics, sports...etc

We need a center point for us to rise.....Nigeria should actually be that point being the greatest congregation of black folks in the world. Our being called the giant of Africa is not a mistake...however we need to rise and understand the responsibility we owe the black race....we are not just failing our selves we are failing black people all over the world

I admire your point of view. I also share your school of thought on Nigeria being the trail blazer or pace setter. However, with the structure of Nigeria today, it would be quite difficult for Nigeria to set such an example.
The colonial settings of Nigeria left it in such a way that it would be very easy for divisions to arise.

If i may ask you, can you exactly name one factor that unites the whole of Nigeria? Or one single reasonable shared heritage which Pan-Nigerians can propagate radically to convince all Nigerians the need for our sustained unity and promote our oneness? I seriously doubt there is, we have no linguistic, cultural, religious, geographical, ideological oneness.

Had it been Nigeria has a single large majority group, it would have been somewhat better where the majority would be expected to lead and others follow or at least dominated to follow, but no, Nigeria was formed on a tripod majority stand where 3 different majority groups are always seeking for domination and exaltation of their own group, not to talk of the 2 major opposing religious group who equally want to be in control at the same time and one exalts itself over the other, just like having many captains on one boat.
Sadly, this is almost the same situation in most other African countries, the reason why you see endless ethnic/religious clashes and contests for superiority and this is why i advocate for a united Black Africa or at least a united West Africa where there would be no reasonable or sellable forms of division by the agents of division to divide the people, nothing like majority or minority ethnic or religious groups and there would be a uniting factor (Black/African nationalism).

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Nowenuse:
I think you are wrong.
Go and study the different dialects of chinese and you would observe that although they sound the same, majority of them have no mutual intelligiblity.
When am talking of dialects here, i do not mean the Mandarin and Cantonese which are the only 2 major dialects in China today. Am talking of older dialects like the Native Shangai dialect and many other native dialects which are on the verge of extinction.

It is on record by linguists that Shanghainese (the native dialect of Shanghai people) for example is completely unintelligible with the official Beijing dialect (Mandarin). Both dialects are as different from each other as Igbo and Yoruba, but to a non-chinese like you, they appear the same because they sound the same, exactly as the average Chinese person sees most African language (to sound the same).

All the Chinese did was to force Beijing dialect (Mandarin) on the whole country as the official unifying language and all other language speakers had to drop their own native languages. Expect this to work as a communist country that China is. That was how Russian afterall was forced on all Soviet states and till date, the elderly and middle aged people of former soviet states have equal command in Russian as in their own native tongues and Russian even started infiltrating their own languages to make it look like their own original native languages and Russian were very similar.

The Hindi speakers have been trying this method to unify all of India with Hindi language, but as usual in a non-communist entity like India, the minority language groups all have their say and rejected Hindi as their unifying language.

All Africans have to do is pick the most powerful language in the continent and make it the overall official language and everyone learns it and overtime we all become native speakers, but this can only happen in a unified nation and most likely to work in a communist settings where people are forced to do things.

Was France communist when the whole country was decreed into speaking French as the official language?

Rosskii:
Africa at the peak of Moorish rule in Europe, in the 15th and 16th centuries, was more developed than Europe. Had more universities and learned people than Europe. Had bigger cities than Europe. You need to read accounts of various visitors to Africa in those days. Glowing reviews to say the least. You must understand that the slave trade led to African regression. Without the slave trade, Africa would have been one of the most developed parts of the world today. Do you know that Benin City had wide avenues and street lights (lanterns on poles) in the 15th century? That its houses shone a reflection upon gazing at them due to specialist cleaning methods? Or that Ife had paved roads? This was centuries before their appearance in Europe. If all that development had continued uninterrupted, we would have been highly advanced by today, without a shadow of doubt.

Everything Africa had in the 15th and 16th centuries were given to the black Africans by their Arab masters. All those universities were Arabic universities and learned people were all Muslims colonized and given new identities by the Arabs.

Before the Arabs brought Islamic civilization to Africa, the rest of sub-Saharan Africa was a wasteland. The only part of Africa that had a semblance of activity was Egypt and allied smaller North African city states. The Romans (Europeans) sacked Ptolemy of Egypt who was a descendant of one of Alexander's generals (another European).

Before the Islamic Moors marched on Spain and Portugal, the Europeans had already marched on the Moors, Berbers, and other Meditteranean people of North Africa. The Roman Empire sacked Egypt and Carthage (the foremost Empires in Africa at the time, none of these Empires were black dominated. In fact blacks were often slaves in these Empires).

After the fall of the Roman Empire, then the Byzantines, Europe fell into the dark Ages, while Arabia progressed to have the Islamic Golden Age. It was during this Age that the Arabs conquered the formerly Roman colonized African Empires and gave the people their the Arabic identity that they have to this day. It is those colonized Arabic blacks that are the Moors who won wars in Portugal and Spain.

Before the dark Ages, Europe was the shining star of the world. Europe found their feet again during the Renaissance period. What about the black Muslim African so-called civilizations? They effed themselves off when the Arabic Golden Age ended starting with the Crusades.

Bini and Ife are insignificant and contributed nothing significant to the known world. You want to call the Bini and Ife when we have the Chinese, Japanese, Indian, Aztec, Incan civilizations. People that did not have a written language and could not even build a formidable navy when they were close to the sea.

Give Bini and Ife 3,000 years, they would never have been like Carthage not to talk of the Ancient Egyptian empire.

What exactly did the Europeans disrupt? Killing of twins, burying of slave heads with kings, paddling with canoe when the ancient Persians had 10,000 ship navies?

The Arabs and Europeans shone the light on sub-Saharan Africa. The Moors were Muslims and carried over Islamic traditions to Spain and Portugal. Every black man in ancient civilizations answered names and practiced the culture of the civilizations they adopted.

Black Africans have been running away from the poverty-, sickness-infested sub-Saharan Africa for over 6,000 years. They are still running away today. Go to the Sahara desert and the Mediterranean sea. Develop your land with resources available, don't form attache by force. Then claim to be superior to the people who gave you your identity.

Did the Europeans force your chiefs and kings to sell off POWs as slaves? Did any White man kidnap a black person in the villages to sell as slaves? What did the chiefs, kings, and slave merchants do with the money they were paid? This is how your black politicians steal and rob fellow black people, then you guys still have the guts to blame the West for under-development.

Black on Black violence has been a curse since the beginning of time. Even till this day and in advance America, black on black violence is higher than white on black violence. We hate ourselves. How do you hate yourself and ask someone to love you? Where is that done.

-Lord

Yup, I found this out a few years ago as well. I've always believed the only think holding us back is ourselves mentally. We've either consciously or unconsciously internalized that the African is inferior. Due to a variety of factors, largely promoted by the west. In order to offset this, Africans need to start developing an African supremacist ideology. Not in the genocidal sense, but in our society and in teaching our children. Anyone who doesn't realize this or doesn't agree is just being naive. We're decades if not hundreds of years behind the west. I look at ai, and shows like Westworld and think that if we don't start having more urgency, we'll PERMANENTLY be left behind.

Artificial intelligence is already rapidly improving. And Elon Musk is creating a company called Neural link, to combine the human brain with ai. He has the BEST scientists in the WORLD working on this. What happens if they achieve this? Do you think the African would catch-up anytime soon with Rich white people becoming exponentially smarter with ai in their brains? And what happens when the middle class white person can afford to do the procedure? Africans would effectively have a timer of extinction through natural selection.

They're researching multiple dimensions, discovering what dark energy and dark matter is, organizing trips to colonize the solar system and galaxy, and even researching how they can create a human themselves using silicon and ai (see Westworld). We are getting LEFT BEHIND! And the gap is getting larger! People think we have an unlimited amount of time to get it right, but we don't! If they accomplish any of those goals in the next 75 years and African countries are still busy trying to create a functioning society and countries, we need to just pack up go because there's no catching up from then.

It is for this reason I say we need to have a STRONG sense of urgency in fixing ourselves. And this includes African supremacy. Us and our children need to believe that they're the smartest in the world, numerous studies have proven that people act in accordance to stereotype. In this study, girls and boys were told that boys are better at math than girls, and then gave all the kids a math test. Unsurprisingly, the boys did better and the girls did worse. When no such stereotype was presented before the exam, both were equal in their results ( I actually think the girls might've scored better). My point is, psychology rules EVERYTHING. The vast majority of humans are followers. The African has been following the West's perception of the African because they haven't been presented with a strong alternative. It is up to US to present that and make them follow this new ideology. If we can do that you'll see how quickly things can change.

Anyway, I've said all I needed to say. Centuries of white supremacy not only promoted white confidence, as their children began to believe they're better than Africans because they're black and their parents told them so. But it also damaged the African because he too was told white people were better, whether it be directly or indirectly. We as African parents/ leaders need to reverse this effect immediately. It is extremely important.

Rosskii:
Sorry, but Africans have been wrongfully denied knowledge of their past. And that MUST change. Europeans and Asians daily regale us with their histories, in movies, documentaries, education, and text. Most of us are more familiar with Shakespeare and Caesar than Queen Nzinga, the Angolan queen who almost single-handedly battled the Portuguese, and prevented them from enslaving her people for 40 years. There are countless people like this throughout African history. Why is it ok for us to know all about Shakespeare but nothing about Nzinga? And then when we post info on these heroes, you people start your nonsense about us "dwelling on past glories". We UNAPOLOGETICALLY WILL CONTINUE to expose our history to our people. Until they are as familiar with themselves as they are with other races. How does our discussing our history mean we are substituting that for development? When Europeans discuss Shakespeare does that mean they are neglecting their economy or whatever? It is patronising in the extreme to insinuate that exploring African history means we are neglecting current development objectives, like we are some sort of infants who cannot multitask. Kindly stop, please.

Of course i do believe you (or even say, believe in you).

I think we really need to teach our history more. It's just that there are 2 points of view pertaining to the possible outcome of emphasizing more on our history. You share one point of view and LordAdam16 and Braden2 share another point of view. Sadly, i can see reason with your own point of view and their own point of view and i think all we need to do is to strike a balance between both views, afterall we all want to see the progress of our race and people.

On your own part you feel that emphasizing on our great history will increase our black pride positively, give us a greater self esteem and cause us to wake up to our innate greatness and make the most of it for securing our future. I strongly agree with you.
WHILE on their own part they feel emphasizing on our history would be a slap on our face and a laughable irony considering the complete contradiction of our present state and the great history we wish to emphasize on. They feel that complacency or reliance on past glory could capture our minds and make us loose focus for the great task ahead and make us less productive or aspiring.
It's just 2 sides of the same coin which i do somehow agree with, hence my thought of us drawing a meeting point between both schools of thoughts.

LordAdam16 and Braden2, i hope you guys are hearing?

Pls guys, what we are all after at the end of the day is progress for our people, just that the approach differs.
The both of you however, you guys need to tone down your harshness a little bit, because i must confess (sorry to say) that a part of me is suspecting that you guys are not Black Africans because it seems like you guys feel the black race is so worthless and has never achieved anything since this world. Let's assume/agree that we have been the worst race since this world, does it mean at least that we have no single achievement to our name at all? It's just like always scolding a child whenever he goes wrong and never commending him when he does right. Thank you guys for your understanding.

Nowenuse:


Of course i do believe you (or even say, believe in you).

I think we really need to teach our history more. It's just that there are 2 points of view pertaining to the possible outcome of emphasizing more on our history. You share one point of view and LordAdam16 and Braden2 share another point of view. Sadly, i can see reason with your own point of view and their own point of view and i think all we need to do is to strike a balance between both views, afterall we all want to see the progress of our race and people.


It's just 2 sides of the same coin which i do somehow agree with, hence my thought of us drawing a meeting point between both schools of thoughts.

LordAdam16 and Braden2, i hope you guys are hearing?

Pls guys, what we are all after at the end of the day is progress for our people, just that the approach differs.
The both of you however, you guys need to tone down your harshness a little bit, because i must confess (sorry to say) that a part of me is suspecting that you guys are not Black Africans because it seems like you guys feel the black race is so worthless and has never achieved anything since this world. Let's assume/agree that we have been the worst race since this world, does it mean at least that we have no single achievement to our name at all? It's just like always scolding a child whenever he goes wrong and never commending him when he does right. Thank you guys for your understanding.

I agree that historical exposure is important for our confidence AND that we can't rest on these facts and become complacent to not do anything. But I don't think Rosskii believes that either. I think he wants to use that as a source of energy to ENCOURAGE people to do more to make Africa better.

On Lordadam16 and braden2, I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't even black Africans or if they were white. Racist white people in the US were already exposed for impersonating black people in profile pics and then saying embarrassing or anti black comments to make other black people hate themselves. Which is just horrible. See the source here : https://bossip.com/1388301/blacktwitterblock-these-white-nationalists-posing-as-black-people-on-twitter-arent-fooling-anyone/

Braden2:


African Americans ,jamaicans etc. were shipped from primitive and voodo infested cannibal tribes in the coastal parts of west Africa, not from Timbuktu or Egypt. The tribes where Africans American were shipped from looked like the ones below .
West Africa has rainforest tropical climate ,so it's actually a jungle. They actually lived in mud huts,okay?

thats why the slave supervisors derided them saying they ran around naked and lived on trees and mud huts. that statement is true for the part of Africa African american are from.

looking at the photos below,does it seem sophisticated to your mind?the answer is simply no. it looks primitive and backward.

No pls, i think you are wrong. Many African Americans and Carribeans do undergo DNA tests to ascertain their origin tribes and countries and some of them have actually been traced to Bambara, Madinka, Songhai, Hausa, Wolof, Mende, Yoruba and Ashanti tribes. Infact i have read many reports of famous African Americans and their DNA results and apart from those who traced to Cameroon, majority or at least 50% of these results ended up from the above listed tribes. And apart from these tribes listed above, i wonder who else built the old West African empires.

It's just that in those days the great people from these empires also kept slaves who could also be from their same ethnic/linguistic groups, albeit an opressed or enslaved class of the groups.
Indians today are believed to be of one race and within the same Indian ethnicities who speak same languages you have different castes, from the highest ranking castes of rulers and noble men who wear gold and silver like nothing, to the untouchables who look very haggard in torn clothings or even no clothings, but they all share same DNA, ancestral genes, same language, ethnicity and same religion.

Braden2:


African Americans ,jamaicans etc. were shipped from primitive and voodo infested cannibal tribes in the coastal parts of west Africa, not from Timbuktu or Egypt. The tribes where Africans American were shipped from looked like the ones below .
West Africa has rainforest tropical climate ,so it's actually a jungle. They actually lived in mud huts,okay?

thats why the slave supervisors derided them saying they ran around naked and lived on trees and mud huts. that statement is true for the part of Africa African american are from.

looking at the photos below,does it seem sophisticated to your mind?the answer is simply no. it looks primitive and backward.

Look here, you white boy from Mississippi or wherever, why don't you get your ignorant, oafish, braindead self out of this debate? This isn't some African-American forum where some might be moved by your insolent, discredited, ignorant, bigoted, brainless talking points. We are on a totally different level here, and know a zillion times more about Africa than you can know in ten lifetimes. So stop embarrassing yourself. Just go somewhere else. You've nothing to contribute here.

Rosskii:
Sorry, but Africans have been wrongfully denied knowledge of their past. And that MUST change. Europeans, Americans and Asians daily regale us with their histories, in movies, documentaries, education, and media. Most of us are more familiar with Shakespeare, Caesar, and Abraham Lincoln, than Queen Nzinga, the Angolan queen who almost single-handedly battled the Portuguese, and prevented them from enslaving her people for 40 years. There are countless people like her throughout African history. Why is it ok for us to know all about Shakespeare and Lincoln, but nothing about Nzinga? And then when we post info on these heroes, you people start your nonsense about us "dwelling on past glories". We UNAPOLOGETICALLY WILL CONTINUE to expose our history to our people. Until they are as familiar with themselves as they are with other races. How does our discussing our history mean we are substituting that for development? When Europeans discuss Shakespeare does that mean they are neglecting their economy or whatever? It is patronising in the extreme to insinuate that exploring African history means we are neglecting current development objectives, like we are some sort of infants who cannot multitask. Kindly stop, please.

We have known about Queen Amina, Queen Ida, Moremi since the 60's when we got independence, how has that helped us?

Exploring African history means absolutely nothing unless we develop. The Renaissance period happened in Europe because they developed. The literature, pyramids, and et cetra of the Egyptian Empire flourished because they developed from an hunter gatherer society to an Agrarian culture with irrigation and the likes.

It is someone that is satiated that can talk about philosophy, the arts and history. In ancient Babylon (and it continued to Greece), there were city centers where men resigned to in during dusk to discuss issues and philosophy ranging from spirituality to style of government. That happened because the cities were developed and were at the peak of civilization at that time.

Today China has started a mass cultural campaign of their identity and have Confucian learning institutes around the world. Their relics have filtered into the airwaves with their various forms of Martial Arts and other elements of Chinese heritage like noodles. China is a $11t economy with $3t in reserves. The amount of development going on is mind-boggling, so whatever they're doing about history and cultural preservation makes absolute sense.

Every major civilization placed modernization before ego-catering, why are you doing the exact opposite. Who the f*ck cared about China and her rich history before Mao started the economic transformation of China?

There's a lot to discover in Africa, such as the Nok culture and other similar cultures that are now extinct and may have connected with the Ancient Egyptians and Sumerians, even though they were inferior civilizations. We'd never find out about them, because you people with Inferior complexes are all too fixated with Europe and Arabia.

Look all over Europe and North America. Every major city has at least five museums and galleries. How many museums and galleries have we been able to manage effectively all over Nigeria. Why do you try to run when you haven't crawled? Do you know how much it costs to maintain each of those museums and galleries? Some of their budgets are larger than our local government area budgets.

You never grow wing you one fly. What is it with Black Africans and wishful thinking?

-Lord

MrMaestro:

On Lordadam16 and braden2, I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't even black Africans or if they were white. Racist white people in the US were already exposed for impersonating black people in profile pics and then saying embarrassing or anti black comments to make other black people hate themselves. Which is just horrible. See the source here : https://bossip.com/1388301/blacktwitterblock-these-white-nationalists-posing-as-black-people-on-twitter-arent-fooling-anyone/

We have to be very careful around the internet, many people have alternative agendas. Euro/Americans are on African forums to see what they can get away with within mainstream media. Many Europeans are here on Nairaland in disguise just to try and control the wave of information reaching our people and are here trying to deter your understanding. They post tribalistic messages to divide Africans. There are many agendas behind what you read. Know that it is actually an understanding of positive and negative that will truly tell you what is in the best interests for Africans. A righteous African may disagree with aspects of the message but they would not openly try and deter others from receiving it.

seguno2:


Was France communist when the whole country was decreed into speaking French as the official language?

Even though it wasn't, however the majority of the population at that time already spoke the Paris dialect (or similar varieties). Almost the whole power was in Paris, the capital was already there and the city wielded so much influence which probably would have hindered the minority language groups from thinking of opposing such decree.
However the minority languages till date have some regional official rights. They may not be official at the national level but they are at the regional levels.

Hindi language unification of India would have worked, the major obstacle was English. English being the colonial language of India already had a strong stake among the elites and educated people of the nation and was co-official throughout the colonial period and even afterwards, so the minority groups had a choice of English as an alternative to protest Hindi language unification. That is why even though Hindi forcefully made it's way as the official language of India, other language groups have the option of using English language for official purposes which definitely the educated Hindi speakers understand.
Another factor is that Hindu speakers are not even an absolute majority. They are just about 35% of the population of India. Probably if they were about 60% or more of India, all those Dravidian language minorities would have found it difficult to challenge them.

LordAdam16:


We have known about Queen Amina, Queen Ida, Moremi since the 60's when we got independence, how has that helped us?

History is not just about "knowing". It is about applying the lessons of the past to fashioning a future. In this we have fallen short.

Exploring African history means absolutely nothing unless we develop. The Renaissance period happened in Europe because they developed. The literature, pyramids, and et cetra of the Egyptian Empire flourished because they developed from an hunter gatherer society to an Agrarian culture with irrigation and the likes.

It is someone that is satiated that can talk about philosophy, the arts and history. In ancient Babylon (and it continued to Greece), there were city centers where men resigned to in during dusk to discuss issues and philosophy ranging from spirituality to style of government. That happened because the cities were developed and were at the peak of civilization at that time.

Today China has started a mass cultural campaign of their identity and have Confucian learning institutes around the world. Their relics have filtered into the airwaves with their various forms of Martial Arts and other elements of Chinese heritage like noodles. China is a $11t economy with $3t in reserves. The amount of development going on is mind-boggling, so whatever they're doing about history and cultural preservation makes absolute sense.

Every major civilization placed modernization before ego-catering, why are you doing the exact opposite. Who the f*ck cared about China and her rich history before Mao started the economic transformation of China?

There's a lot to discover in Africa, such as the Nok culture and other similar cultures that are now extinct and may have connected with the Ancient Egyptians and Sumerians, even though they were inferior civilizations. We'd never find out about them, because you people with Inferior complexes are all too fixated with Europe and Arabia.

Look all over Europe and North America. Every major city has at least five museums and galleries. How many museums and galleries have we been able to manage effectively all over Nigeria. Why do you try to run when you haven't crawled? Do you know how much it costs to maintain each of those museums and galleries? Some of their budgets are larger than our local government area budgets.

You never grow wing you one fly. What is it with Black Africans and wishful thinking?

-Lord

You talk and talk yet you have nothing in your head except pompous anti-African invective. The west were not developed when they began building their societies on Protestant principles of thrift. The Chinese were not developed when they began including Confucianism in their school curriculum several decades ago. The Europeans and Americans were not developed when they looked to Ancient Greece to devise their democratic systems. But Africans must, in your view, be advanced and fully developed before we can study and learn from our history. You are wrong. If you can't stand this thread, why don't you just move on? Most of us love it.

Horus:


We have to be very careful around the internet, many people have alternative agendas. Euro/Americans are on African forums to see what they can get away with within mainstream media. Many Europeans are here on Nairaland in disguise just to try and control the wave of information reaching our people and are here trying to deter your understanding. They post tribalistic messages to divide Africans. There are many agendas behind what you read. Know that it is actually an understanding of positive and negative that will truly tell you what is in the best interests for Africans. A righteous African may disagree with aspects of the message but they would not openly try and deter others from receiving it.

I agree whole heartedly. But people like that cannot be ignored. They must be picked apart and debunked immediately, as other africans would probably align more with that mentality because they have an innate african inferiority complex that they haven't addressed. It is very important to continue to do what you're doing.

MrMaestro:
Yup, I found this out a few years ago as well. I've always believed the only think holding us back is ourselves mentally. We've either consciously or unconsciously internalized that the African is inferior. Due to a variety of factors, largely promoted by the west. In order to offset this, Africans need to start developing an African supremacist ideology. Not in the genocidal sense, but in our society and in teaching our children. Anyone who doesn't realize this or doesn't agree is just being naive. We're decades if not hundreds of years behind the west. I look at ai, and shows like Westworld and think that if we don't start having more urgency, we'll PERMANENTLY be left behind.

Artificial intelligence is already rapidly improving. And Elon Musk is creating a company called Neural link, to combine the human brain with ai. He has the BEST scientists in the WORLD working on this. What happens if they achieve this? Do you think the African would catch-up anytime soon with Rich white people becoming exponentially smarter with ai in their brains? And what happens when the middle class white person can afford to do the procedure? Africans would effectively have a timer of extinction through natural selection.

They're researching multiple dimensions, discovering what dark energy and dark matter is, organizing trips to colonize the solar system and galaxy, and even researching how they can create a human themselves using silicon and ai (see Westworld). We are getting LEFT BEHIND! And the gap is getting larger! People think we have an unlimited amount of time to get it right, but we don't! If they accomplish any of those goals in the next 75 years and African countries are still busy trying to create a functioning society and countries, we need to just pack up go because there's no catching up from then.

It is for this reason I say we need to have a STRONG sense of urgency in fixing ourselves. And this includes African supremacy. Us and our children need to believe that they're the smartest in the world, numerous studies have proven that people act in accordance to stereotype. In this study, girls and boys were told that boys are better at math than girls, and then gave all the kids a math test. Unsurprisingly, the boys did better and the girls did worse. When no such stereotype was presented before the exam, both were equal in their results ( I actually think the girls might've scored better). My point is, psychology rules EVERYTHING. The vast majority of humans are followers. The African has been following the West's perception of the African because they haven't been presented with a strong alternative. It is up to US to present that and make them follow this new ideology. If we can do that you'll see how quickly things can change.

Anyway, I've said all I needed to say. Centuries of white supremacy not only promoted white confidence, as their children began to believe they're better than Africans because they're black and their parents told them so. But it also damaged the African because he too was told white people were better, whether it be directly or indirectly. We as African parents/ leaders need to reverse this effect immediately. It is extremely important.

The ancestors of the Caucasians left Africa 6000 years, since then they've left black Africans behind.

Unless you want your phantom gods to stop the hands of time for the Caucasians and then speed up time for your backward selves. There is no such thing as black supremacy (or even white supremacy). After all White (from the very white Europeans to the darker but light-complexioned Indians) is a spectrum.

We have different groups of people in different continents and those in the sub-Saharan sub-continent have persistently remained backward. There is nothing in a thousand years that'll change that. Starting a racist African Supremacy movement will not stop that and reeks of desperation and disgusting inferiority complex. Look at the Asians (China, Japan, India, South Korea, Malaysia, Thailand, Vietnam) they are poised to at least go neck to neck with the West in the next half a century.

They did not get there with an Asian Supremacy movement. They did it by getting better at modernization and development. Today South Korea has the fastest broad band speed in the World. Internet speeds in greater Asia is better than anything in North America and Europe. Asians are increasingly getting better at construction. The speed with which Japan and China revamp roads beats anything Europe and North America can come up with. Asians dominate electronics already.

That's what it means to not be left behind. Not sit in a dark, mosquito-infested shack with a $100 phone on 3G network screaming African supremacy. Who are the supremacists? Where are they? Oh I get it, they are Mugabe, Zuma, and Buhari. All of you are a bunch of jokers.

And Asians were never in the dark in the first place. Chinese, Indian and Japanese civilizations rivaled whatever happened in the European continent for 4,000 years.

Leave the Earth for Africans and take every other race to barren planets with basic tools for survival. In 1,000 years, Earth will become an eyesore while those barren planets will blossom.

As individuals many black individuals are awesome. As a group, black Africans are filth.

What you think about me is irrelevant. I am a White supremacist on a Nigerian forum doing what? I can understand on American forums, but on NL. You are delusional.

-Lord

MrMaestro:
Yup, I found this out a few years ago as well. I've always believed the only think holding us back is ourselves mentally. We've either consciously or unconsciously internalized that the African is inferior. Due to a variety of factors, largely promoted by the west. In order to offset this, Africans need to start developing an African supremacist ideology. Not in the genocidal sense, but in our society and in teaching our children. Anyone who doesn't realize this or doesn't agree is just being naive. We're decades if not hundreds of years behind the west. I look at ai, and shows like Westworld and think that if we don't start having more urgency, we'll PERMANENTLY be left behind.

Artificial intelligence is already rapidly improving. And Elon Musk is creating a company called Neural link, to combine the human brain with ai. He has the BEST scientists in the WORLD working on this. What happens if they achieve this? Do you think the African would catch-up anytime soon with Rich white people becoming exponentially smarter with ai in their brains? And what happens when the middle class white person can afford to do the procedure? Africans would effectively have a timer of extinction through natural selection.

They're researching multiple dimensions, discovering what dark energy and dark matter is, organizing trips to colonize the solar system and galaxy, and even researching how they can create a human themselves using silicon and ai (see Westworld). We are getting LEFT BEHIND! And the gap is getting larger! People think we have an unlimited amount of time to get it right, but we don't! If they accomplish any of those goals in the next 75 years and African countries are still busy trying to create a functioning society and countries, we need to just pack up go because there's no catching up from then.

It is for this reason I say we need to have a STRONG sense of urgency in fixing ourselves. And this includes African supremacy. Us and our children need to believe that they're the smartest in the world, numerous studies have proven that people act in accordance to stereotype. In this study, girls and boys were told that boys are better at math than girls, and then gave all the kids a math test. Unsurprisingly, the boys did better and the girls did worse. When no such stereotype was presented before the exam, both were equal in their results ( I actually think the girls might've scored better). My point is, psychology rules EVERYTHING. The vast majority of humans are followers. The African has been following the West's perception of the African because they haven't been presented with a strong alternative. It is up to US to present that and make them follow this new ideology. If we can do that you'll see how quickly things can change.

Anyway, I've said all I needed to say. Centuries of white supremacy not only promoted white confidence, as their children began to believe they're better than Africans because they're black and their parents told them so. But it also damaged the African because he too was told white people were better, whether it be directly or indirectly. We as African parents/ leaders need to reverse this effect immediately. It is extremely important.

Seriously, i must say i am happy that we still have people like you in Nigeria.
Seriously, Africa is still sleeping and we think we have all the time in the world.
Europe is now united, America is, China is, the Arab world is, India is. E.t.c and each of them are all working hard on how to outsmart the other and control the world (forget all the so called United Nations ish and pan-Humanity trash).

I am forced to say, all we can do is pray for God not to allow these people discover a greater form of technology to completely change the world while we are caught completely unaware and unable to do anything, but alas, this idea of 'let us pray or we are praying or believing God to do sth' is part of what has really kept us behind.

These are some of the reasons why we must work on the unity of Nigeria, West Africa or the whole Black African unity, so that we can achieve more. We can't be thinking of competing in levels of advanced technology when we are still having ethnic issues and squabbles even at the federal level.

LordAdam16:


The ancestors of the Caucasians left Africa 6000 years, since then they've left black Africans behind.

Unless you want your phantom gods to stop the hands of time for the Caucasians and then speed up time for your backward selves. There is no such thing as black supremacy (or even white supremacy). After all White (from the very white Europeans to the darker but light-complexioned Indians) is a spectrum.

We have different groups of people in different continents and those in the sub-Saharan sub-continent have persistently remained backward. There is nothing in a thousand years that'll change that. Starting a racist African Supremacy movement will not stop that and reeks of desperation and disgusting inferiority complex. Look at the Asians (China, Japan, India, South Korea, Malaysia, Thailand, Vietnam) they are poised to at least go neck to neck with the West in the next half a century.

They did not get there with an Asian Supremacy movement. They did it by getting better at modernization and development. Today South Korea has the fastest broad band speed in the World. Internet speeds in greater Asia is better than anything in North America and Europe. Asians are increasingly getting better at construction. The speed with which Japan and China revamp roads beats anything Europe and North America can come up with. Asians dominate electronics already.

That's what it means to not be left behind. Not sit in a dark, mosquito-infested shack with a $100 phone on 3G network screaming African supremacy. Who are the supremacists? Where are they? Oh I get it, they are Mugabe, Zuma, and Buhari. All of you are a bunch of jokers.

And Asians were never in the dark in the first place. Chinese, Indian and Japanese civilizations rivaled whatever happened in the European continent for 4,000 years.

Leave the Earth for Africans and take every other race to barren planets with basic tools for survival. In 1,000 years, Earth will become an eyesore while those barren planets will blossom.

As individuals many black individuals are awesome. As a group, black Africans are filth.

What you think about me is irrelevant. I am a White supremacist on a Nigerian forum doing what? I can understand on American forums, but on NL. You are delusional.

-Lord

More ignorant rubbish full of lies. The Chinese, Japanese, and even the Indians have historically placed their culture and history at a premium. Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, Jainism, Sikhism, Shintoism, Confucianism, are the heritage they leveraged to consolidate their culture and drive their development. They did not get advanced before embracing those principles or ideologies. It was the other way round. Something you wish to deny Africans. You will never succeed. Africa must look inwards, and draw inspiration and direction from its rich heritage and history. Until Africans stop seeing the rest of the world as innately superior to them, which is what you are propagating, we will get nowhere. It all starts in the head.

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Rosskii:
History is not just about "knowing". It is about applying the lessons of the past to fashioning a future. In this we have fallen short.

You talk and talk yet you have nothing in your head except pompous anti-African invective. The west were not developed when they began building their societies on Protestant principles of thrift. The Chinese were not developed when they began including Confucianism in their school curriculum several decades ago. The Europeans and Americans were not developed when they looked to Ancient Greece to devise their democratic systems. But Africans must, in your view, be advanced and fully developed before we can study and learn from our history. You are wrong. If you can't stand this thread, why don't you just move on? Most of us love it.

You are completely delusional.

Can you compare Ife, Bini to Pagan Rome (before Christ was born sef). Should I start posting pictures about Chariots, Amphiteathers, public baths, road networks, Roman engineering for you?

You say the Chinese were not developed before they integrated Confucianism into schools several decades ago? Should I start posting pictures about the Forbidden kingdom, the Han province, and the Qing dynasty, the use of Fire Crackers in Chinese antiquity?

You want to revise history when you know nothing about history.

Do you know what's called the Middle Ages in Europe? Are the Ancient Greeks not Europeans? Alexander the conqueror of the known world, King of Asian, Emperor of Babylon, King of Macedon and of Greece. Was he not a European? Was he a black man too?

When he was conquering the world and marching on Indian Rajs with war elephants were the Ife and Bini empires existing?

When Neduchadnezzar sacked Judae, were the Ife, Bini, and Dahomey empires existing?

When the Mayans mapped the stars were the Moors existing as a people?

When the Incans built Paititi were there any black civilization in sub-Saharan Africa that could rival them?

Why did the Mooran general who sacked Spain answer an Arabic name? Why did Musa answer an Arabic name? Why were all the earliest Universities in Africa built by the Arabs and their proteges.

When Ceasar marched from Rome to sack Alexandria Mohammed was not even born yet. Where were the Moors then? Slaves in Carthage, Alexandria, and Egypt. Only to be colonized again by Mohammed's followers centuries later.

I repeat Black supremacy is an abomination.

Europe entered a trying period, and you are talking about African Supremacy. Why didn't the Moors march on Rome to depose the Pope. They couldn't even go past Iberia. Humiliated in Italy. And Muslim arabian and black minority finally shipped off like sardines from Europe after Europe united under Protestant and Roman Catholic banners.

-Lord

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MrMaestro:


I agree that historical exposure is important for our confidence AND that we can't rest on these facts and become complacent to not do anything. But I don't think Rosskii believes that either. I think he wants to use that as a source of energy to ENCOURAGE people to do more to make Africa better.

On Lordadam16 and braden2, I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't even black Africans or if they were white. Racist white people in the US were already exposed for impersonating black people in profile pics and then saying embarrassing or anti black comments to make other black people hate themselves. Which is just horrible. See the source here : https://bossip.com/1388301/blacktwitterblock-these-white-nationalists-posing-as-black-people-on-twitter-arent-fooling-anyone/

Of course, i know Rosskii is trying to encourage us to wake up, increase our self esteem and believe we can make it.
I also think it is becoming more obvious that LordAdam16 and his likes are White people trying to dissuade/rubbish us or at least they are just some terrible self hating folks. They refused to acknowledge anything whatsoever not from anyone and continue their evil messages. I have challenged them and they cannot reply because they know they have ulterior motives.

I guess it's a challenge on us now. I think we may have to create an elightenment group or sort to drive our message to more black people. We have to form a school of thought to affect more of our people positively, cos i don't think debating and ending all these enlightenment here will make any substantial change in the real world. I myself was in complete darkness of this light of black history before and i must say i was liberated by the OP.

What do you say? Rosskii, Horus e.t.c

LordAdam16:


You are completely delusional.

Can you compare Ife, Bini to Pagan Rome (before Christ was born sef). Should I start posting pictures about Chariots, Amphiteathers, public baths, road networks, Roman engineering for you?

You say the Chinese were not developed before they integrated Confucianism into schools several decades ago? Should I start posting pictures about the Forbidden kingdom, the Han province, and the Qing dynasty, the use of Fire Crackers in Chinese antiquity?

You want to revise history when you know nothing about history.

Do you know what's called the Middle Ages in Europe? Are the Ancient Greeks not Europeans? Alexander the conqueror of the known world, King of Asian, Emperor of Babylon, King of Macedon and of Greece. Was he not a European? Was he a black man too?

When he was conquering the world and marching on Indian Rajs with war elephants were the Ife and Bini empires existing?

When Neduchadnezzar sacked Judae, were the Ife, Bini, and Dahomey empires existing?

When the Mayans mapped the stars were the Moors existing as a people?

When the Incans built Paititi were there any black civilization in sub-Saharan Africa that could rival them?

Why did the Mooran general who sacked Spain answer an Arabic name? Why did Musa answer an Arabic name? Why were all the earliest Universities in Africa built by the Arabs and their proteges.

When Ceasar marched from Rome to sack Alexandria Mohammed was not even born yet. Where were the Moors then? Slaves in Carthage, Alexandria, and Egypt. Only to be colonized again by Mohammed's followers centuries later.

I repeat Black supremacy is an abomination.

Europe entered a trying period, and you are talking about African Supremacy. Why didn't the Moors march on Rome to depose the Pope. They couldn't even go past Iberia. Humiliated in Italy. And Muslim arabian and black minority finally shipped off like sardines from Europe after Europe united under Protestant and Roman Catholic banners.

-Lord

Everything you typed above is either a lie, a distortion, or a total misreading of events. Can't be bothered to respond to every line of your garbage to be honest. Cos when I do, you'll ignore that and come up with another retinue of lies and distortions. You remind me of Trump.

LordAdam16:




Exploring African history means absolutely nothing unless we develop. The Renaissance period happened in Europe because they developed. The literature, pyramids, and et cetra of the Egyptian Empire flourished because they developed from an hunter gatherer society to an Agrarian culture with irrigation and the likes.

I stopped reading after this because it just shows how ignorant you are about not only Africa, but human society as a whole. If you were a student of history, you'd understand that the main reason africa is in this mess, is because the african has refused to internalize the fact that the main driver of a society from primitive to civilization, is a recording and teaching of history.

It is because africans don't teach our history, that this thread is extremely popular, many people DON'T know about Queen Amina, or Moremi. African teachers didn't record who where the major artisans who created beautiful bronze castings, or who they depicted. They didn't record HOW these artisans were able to smelt metal for these castings. African teachers DIDN'T record HOW the Dogon tribe were able to map the sirius B star system thousands of years prior to the invention of the telescope. African teachers didn't record and teach HOW the breakthroughs the Egyptians developed in maths and science came to be. It is the primitive oral tradition, and lack of appreciation for written history, that has damned the progress of the african. I as an african can't even find a specific document on how ife bronze casting was executed step by step. Why?

So you'r telling me history is not important, would the german american Einstein have POSSIBLY been able to develop the theory of relativity if he wasn't taught about the English Isaac Newton's general relativity? Would Edwin Hubble have made breakthroughs in Cosmology if he wasn't taught in school that the Prussian Nicolaus Copernius proved the sun is the center of our solar system and not the earth? The west didn't develop overnight, and they certainly didn't develop having the mentality of not exploring the history of europe. They developed by learning about their historical achievements, learning from them and building upon them.

That's why I label your statements very shortsighted and ignorant, and just plain stupid. You say that "Exploring African history means absolutely nothing unless we develop", when you fail to realize that they exploration of history is precisely what allows a society to develop. If no one is taught anything about what people achieved and discovered in history, every generation effectively starts from scratch instead of building upon what the previous generation accomplished. Which is the MAIN problem Africa faces today, which is why we're not getting anywhere. You also mention the Ancient egypts development of pyramids while failing to realize that they were actually one of the only african civilizations that had a written history which was used to teach multiple generations. Which is precisely why they stand above other ancient african empires to today.

MrMaestro:


I stopped reading after this because it just shows how ignorant you are about not only Africa, but human society as a whole. If you were a student of history, you'd understand that the main reason africa is in this mess, is because the african has refused to internalize the fact that the main driver of a society from primitive to civilization, is a recording and teaching of history.

It is because africans don't teach our history, that this thread is extremely popular, many people DON'T know about Queen Amina, or Moremi. African teachers didn't record who where the major artisans who created beautiful bronze castings, or who they depicted. They didn't record HOW these artisans were able to smelt metal for these castings. African teachers DIDN'T record HOW the Dogon tribe were able to map the sirius B star system thousands of years prior to the invention of the telescope. African teachers didn't record and teach HOW the breakthroughs the Egyptians developed in maths and science came to be. It is the primitive oral tradition, and lack of appreciation for written history, that has damned the progress of the african. I as an african can't even find a specific document on how ife bronze casting was executed step by step. Why?

So you'r telling me history is not important, would the german american Einstein have POSSIBLY been able to develop the theory of relativity if he wasn't taught about the English Isaac Newton's general relativity? Would Edwin Hubble have made breakthroughs in Cosmology if he wasn't taught in school that the Prussian Nicolaus Copernius proved the sun is the center of our solar system and not the earth? The west didn't develop overnight, and they certainly didn't develop having the mentality of not exploring the history of europe. They developed by learning about their historical achievements, learning from them and building upon them.

That's why I label your statements very shortsighted and ignorant, and just plain stupid. You say that "Exploring African history means absolutely nothing unless we develop", when you fail to realize that they exploration of history is precisely what allows a society to develop. If no one is taught anything about what people achieved and discovered in history, every generation effectively starts from scratch instead of building upon what the previous generation accomplished. Which is the MAIN problem Africa faces today, which is why we're not getting anywhere. You also mention the Ancient egypts development of pyramids while failing to realize that they were actually one of the only african civilizations that had a written history which was used to teach multiple generations. Which is precisely why they stand above other ancient african empires to today.

You're wasting your breath with that guy. Watch now. He will ignore everything you just wrote and come up with another set of lies and distortions.

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Rosskii:
More ignorant rubbish full of lies. The Chinese, Japanese, and even the Indians have historically placed their culture and history at a premium. Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, Jainism, Sikhism, Shintoism, Confucianism, are the heritage they leveraged to consolidate their culture and drive their development. They did not get advanced before embracing those principles or ideologies. It was the other way round. Something you wish to deny Africans. You will never succeed. Africa must look inwards, and draw inspiration and direction from its rich heritage and history. Until Africans stop seeing the rest of the world as innately superior to them, which is what you are propagating, we will get nowhere. It all starts in the head.

Why was that?

Nobody tried to conquer sub-Saharan Africa for 4000 years, why didn't sub-Saharan black Africans develop their own unified culture and history that they'd place at a premium?

Who stopped them from having their own Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism, Confucianism as heritage to build on.

Or would you call Oduduwa an heritage. Did Oduduwa exist when Buddha went on his journeys.

You are completely unaware of what you are talking about. India already had Buddha when they had War Elephants hold off Alexander. Confucius existed during the Zhou dynasty. Why are you so ignorant and spreading lies.

China already had a decently developed civilization before Confucius existed. A civilization that is far better than Ife and Bini that existed hundreds of years later.

Sub-saharan Africa had nothing to rival the Zhou, Han, Qing dynasty of China. Let me not even start on India, because the more advanced Indian civilization influenced the Chinese civilization. In fact, it is said that India colonized China without sending a single soldier.

So, what are you talking about?

Lying does not help anyone. Africa can develop when we mean to and stop this nonsense victim-mentality balderdash.

-Lord

Nowenuse:


Of course, i know Rosskii is trying to encourage us to wake up, increase our self esteem and believe we can make it.
I also think it is becoming more obvious that LordAdam16 and his likes are White people trying to dissuade/rubbish us or at least they are just some terrible self hating folks. They refused to acknowledge anything whatsoever not from anyone and continue their evil messages. I have challenged them and they cannot reply because they know they have ulterior motives.

I guess it's a challenge on us now. I think we may have to create an elightenment group or sort to drive our message to more black people. We have to form a school of thought to affect more of our people positively, cos i don't think debating and ending all these enlightenment here will make any substantial change in the real world. I myself was in complete darkness of this light of black history before and i must say i was liberated by the OP.

What do you say? Rosskii, Horus e.t.c

Challenge with what?

I have only one question for you.

Tell me any indigenous sub-Saharan civilization that can rival the Persian civilization?

-Lord

LordAdam16:


Why was that?

Nobody tried to conquer sub-Saharan Africa for 4000 years, why didn't sub-Saharan black Africans develop their own unified culture and history that they'd place at a premium?

Who stopped them from having their own Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism, Confucianism as heritage to build on.

Or would you call Oduduwa an heritage. Did Oduduwa exist when Buddha went on his journeys.

You are completely unaware of what you are talking about. India already had Buddha when they had War Elephants hold off Alexander. Confucius existed during the Zhou dynasty. Why are you so ignorant and spreading lies.

China already had a decently developed civilization before Confucius existed. A civilization that is far better than Ife and Bini that existed hundreds of years later.

Sub-saharan Africa had nothing to rival the Zhou, Han, Qing dynasty of China. Let me not even start on India, because the more advanced Indian civilization influenced the Chinese civilization. In fact, it is said that India colonized China without sending a single soldier.

So, what are you talking about?

Lying does not help anyone. Africa can develop when we mean to and stop this nonsense victim-mentality balderdash.

-Lord

See what I said? You ignored how I destroyed your earlier claim that Asians developed first before embracing their history. After I mentioned their numerous cultural links to their past, you came up with this garbled response. I cannot debate you because you are dishonest and evasive. Regards.

Rosskii:
Everything you typed above is either a lie, a distortion, or a total misreading of events. Can't be bothered to respond to every line of your garbage to be honest. Cos when I do, you'll ignore that and come up with another retinue of lies and distortions. You remind me of Trump.

Look at you calling everything a lie. Why not you disprove it with facts?

For example, Caesar burned down the library of Alexandria (albeit accidentally) in 48 BC -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_the_Library_of_Alexandria

Mohammed was born in 632 AD (A whole 500+ years after Caesar a European marched on Alexandria).

The Islamic Moors marched on the Iberian peninsular in 711 AD as part of Islamic expansion -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Muslim_presence_in_the_Iberian_Peninsula

And yet you call it lies. No wonder they say if you want to hide anything from a black put it in a book. You don't know even know history. And lie brazenly.

-Lord

LordAdam16:


Look at you calling everything a lie. Why not you disprove it with facts?

For example, Caesar burned down the library of Alexandria (albeit accidentally) in 48 BC -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_the_Library_of_Alexandria

Mohammed was born in 632 AD (A whole 500+ years after Caesar a European marched on Alexandria).

The Islamic Moors marched on the Iberian peninsular in 711 AD as part of Islamic expansion -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Muslim_presence_in_the_Iberian_Peninsula

And yet you call it lies. No wonder they say if you want to hide anything from a black put it in a book. You don't know even know history. And lie brazenly.

-Lord

Little boy telling us his favourite racist quote. You think you've posted anything we don't know about here? Some of us have been at this stuff since before you were born. Of course NL allows a kid like you to come in and pretend he knows something. Enjoy yourself.