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Re: The Gospel Has Already Been Preached To The Whole World by MrPresident1: 4:57pm On Jul 16, 2017 |
Muttleylaff, Master of long long Turanci |
Re: The Gospel Has Already Been Preached To The Whole World by MuttleyLaff: 5:01pm On Jul 16, 2017 |
MrPresident1:I held back Bro your too much dependency on just strong meat alone is not healthy Try having the recommended daily fruit and salads too Not sure about English salads but that Greek salad afterall wasnt that bad on the palate or was it |
Re: The Gospel Has Already Been Preached To The Whole World by MrPresident1: 5:43pm On Jul 16, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff: From a strong and complete meat diet to a diet of salad and greens, only fit for herbivores, hahaha LMAO So you came at me with thunder!!!! 2 Thessalonians 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. In Collosians 1:23, Paul cleared the prophecy that Jesus had given on the gospel being preached to the world as a precondition for his return; he told us in clear terms that the gospel has been preached to the world. Now, after this, he proceeded to give three steps that MUST be fulfilled before Jesus could be revealed in his time (a set time that we know). Take note of the three steps in verse 2-4 of 2nd Thess. 2 Muttleylaff, I am happy to inform you, that those 3 steps, have been fulfilled |
Re: The Gospel Has Already Been Preached To The Whole World by mmachi96(f): 5:57pm On Jul 16, 2017 |
BLINGZ88:You are right dear...no one knows when Christ will come only God the Father....but don't forget that the Bible said that a thousand years in the eyes of God is like a day and vice versa. And also remember that ur own rapture will come when one dies. |
Re: The Gospel Has Already Been Preached To The Whole World by mmachi96(f): 6:03pm On Jul 16, 2017 |
hopefulLandlord:U actually need jesus in ur life sir....from my observations and ur comments, u seem to me like anathiest......am not hear to convince u to embrace the Gospel but to advice u to be mindful of the way u talk to ur maker so u wouldn't incure His wrath..God bless you. |
Re: The Gospel Has Already Been Preached To The Whole World by MuttleyLaff: 6:19pm On Jul 16, 2017 |
MrPresident1:Hurting someone with the truth is better than making them happy with a lie MrPresident1:How many times do you want to hear this or read it? PAUL DID NOT SAY THAT THE GOSPEL HAS BEEN PREACHED WORLDWIDE Maybe ethnically and in the Asia pacific, but definitely not the entire world Look up yourself, dont take my word for it, on the Colossians 1:23 aorist tense ''proclaimed'' used in the original Greek form. MrPresident1:MrPresident1, I am sorry to burst your happy moment bubble but someone has to let you know that the 3 steps are yet fulfilled Quick questions, who is the one restraining the lawless one? Has the one restraining the lawless one being taken out of the way yet? What you reckon are happening in Revelation 14:6-7? 1 Like |
Re: The Gospel Has Already Been Preached To The Whole World by hopefulLandlord: 6:42pm On Jul 16, 2017 |
mmachi96: this is a logical fallacy called "Argumentum ad Baculum" |
Re: The Gospel Has Already Been Preached To The Whole World by MrPresident1: 6:54pm On Jul 16, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff: Ok, tenks for the advice on your herbivorous diet , me I am a lion, I subsist on only meat, the stronger and tougher the better , thank you, you are welcome 1 Colossians 1:23 is clear as daylight, no need to introduce any high falutin english tense gymnastics...if ye contine in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and WHICH WAS PREACHED TO EVERY CREATURE, WHICH IS UNDER HEAVEN; whereof I Paul am made a minister; If you look at that verse very well and examine the tense and structure, Paul is saying that he is a minister of the gospel that has been preached to the whole world. To grasp Paul completely, PAUL IS SAYING THAT THE GOSPEL HAS BEEN PREACHED TO THE WHOLE WORLD DURING HIS TIME AS A MINISTER; when was this? Long long ago, centuries ago. Now, Paul's 3 steps have been fulfilled, and, we are now in the period he describes as 'the mystery of iniquity is already at work, and he that is letting will continue to let until he is taken away'...then shall the (hidden) wicked be revealed, which presupposses that the wicked is with us now, only hidden, hidden by the enablement of the one letting. This is The Holy Spirit. Revelation 14:6-7 gives no time line for the gospel, it only tells us the message of the angel. I fail to see its relevance in the timeline for preaching the gospel |
Re: The Gospel Has Already Been Preached To The Whole World by MuttleyLaff: 9:28pm On Jul 16, 2017 |
MrPresident1:Fruits and vegetables are an important part of a healthy diet If not for sin, do you think you'll be gnawing meat? In the beginning according to Genesis 1:29, I dont think so MrPresident1:High falutin ko, flatulence ni Maybe its your flatulence overpowering you Just get off your high horse and eat the humble pie What has English tense got to do here? You seem to forget that the NT was originally written in Greek and not English Do I have to explain this all over again, here to you? Listen Ol'boy, and this time, listen real pretty good Now, for the umpteenth time, Colossians 1:23 was translated to English from Greek and not the other way round, For crying out loud, also before translation, the original text used a Greek Aorist tense and not an English tense and the aorist tense in the original Greek text for Colossians 1:23 does not contain any reference to duration or completion of the proclaimed/preached action. You must, kiamosa, get acquainted with Greek aorist tenses man, soonest. Would do you a world of good and help you get better understanding of the NT MrPresident1:If nevertheless ye dwell in the faith, founded, and stable [founded, and stabled], and unmoveable from the hope of the gospel that ye have heard, which is preached in all creature that is under heaven. Of which I Paul am made a minister - Colossians 1:23 Wycliffe bible yf ye continue grounded and stablysshed in the fayth and be not moved awaye from the hope of the gospell wher of ye have herde howe that it is preached amonge all creatures which are vnder heven wher of I Paul am made a minister. - Colossians 1:23 Tyndale bible You're deceiving yourself by believing this ill-informed outrageous opinion of yours See, look above, I've given you Wycliffe bible and Tyndale bible. These two bible version were written before KJV ever got to see the light of day Pay attention to the underlines and compare it with other translation that are written after them MrPresident1:You're behaving like one friend of mine, JMAN05, he too likes using the ''relevance'' card when cornered into a tight spot I'll gladly spoon feed you the relevance If the Gospel has been preached to all the world, that every creature under the heaven has heard the Gospel. Or that every single person right now on this planet has heard the gospel of Jesus Christ then why does the angel in Revelation 14:6 need to have an eternal gospel to preach to those who live on the earth? Also, going back to 2 Thessalonians 2:6-7, has the one restraining the lawless one being taken out of the way yet? 1 Like |
Re: The Gospel Has Already Been Preached To The Whole World by MrPresident1: 12:11am On Jul 17, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff: Genesis 1:29 is talking about doctrines and not literal food. Besides the account of Genesis is the creation of man in the image of God. Before the creation of man in the image of God, there was mankind and they were called birds of the air, fish of the sea, cattle and creeping things, these are the description of mankind without the knowledge of man; God breathed into man (Adam) and he became a living soul MuttleyLaff: There is no high horse here, I am doing the bidding of the one who sent me, He is greater than the whole world combined. Your opinion on how I carry out my instructions remains your business, none of mine, He says I am doing a good job . I understand the stiff-necked nature of my subjects, so I act just in the right measure. MuttleyLaff: Aorist nonsense . Scriptures is interpreted precept by precept, the achievement of preaching the gospel worldwide can be deduced by compositely examining Scriptures. I told you Paul was explaining the fulfillment of the prophecy of Jesus in Collosians 1:23. When he finished explaining that the gospel had been preached to the world, he moved on to give three very important verification steps in 2 Thessalonians 2, the fulfillment of which would confirm the coming of Christ at the specified time. There is a specific time that Jesus will come; 'he will come like a thief in the night, no one knows the day or the hour' rather than telling us that Jesus will return on a random date are actually giving us the exact time that he would appear. Study your Greek and find out if they have given you the meaning of these codes in Aorist tenses. MuttleyLaff: what is kiamosa, another aorist tense? Read from the part to the whole and make a complete and wholesome interpretation of the Scriptures. MuttleyLaff: ''...which is preached in all creature under heaven''? What Aorist tense is in this one, What is hard to understand here? which is preached in all creature that is under heaven (FULLSTOP). Of which I am made a minister MuttleyLaff: This one does not know anything, you cannot quote a verse of the Bible in isolation and build Aorist nonsensical postulations on it, you join line by line, precept by precept to make a whole and wholesome interpretation. Jesus says the gospel will be preached to all nations and the end shall come, Paul says the gospel has now been preached and gives a 3 step verification process to confirm this, you are here yarning dust. MuttleyLaff: Outrageous opinions right? The same was said of Christ, they thought he was crazy. He is coming back to exact vengeance and recompense all those that crucified him MuttleyLaff: Get this into your head right now, Scriptures is built line by line, precept by precept, a piece here a piece there, not on Aorist nonsensical tenses. Your Aorist nonsense falls flat in the face of the holistic and composite examination of Scriptures. MuttleyLaff: You are behaving like a fellow here FOLYKAZ.E who takes a bit of knowledge, chews haphazardly, then turns the knowledge upside down to suit his preconceived designs, and then spews out poorly digested inane gibberish. MuttleyLaff: Revelation 14 opens with a Lamb and 144,000 others having the Father's name on their foreheads, these men were already sealed, they were the firstfruits. Before God carries out judgment, he seals His elect. The angel had the everlasting gospel and preached this until the time the second or latter fruit are also sealed...saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of judgment is come... God will not do anything haphazardly; the sealing of the firstfruit was done, then of the latter fruit, and then the announcement of judgment. MuttleyLaff: This is not a wise question from you. We are told by Paul that upon our authentication of the 3 step process, it means automatically that ''the mystery of iniquity is already at work, he that is letting (the Wicked to operate undetected) will then let until he is taken away'', therefore until the Letter/enabler is taken away, the Wicked will continue to have a field day. The Enabler or the One that is letting is the Holy Spirit. When he is taken away, the wicked will be revealed, and Christ will destroy him at his return. This is so simple to understand John 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand |
Re: The Gospel Has Already Been Preached To The Whole World by MuttleyLaff: 7:37am On Jul 17, 2017 |
MrPresident1:Whoa, whoa whoa, come back here Going off tangent just like that and garbling away MrPresident1:You started with high-falutin, now you're acting being self conceited The one whose bidding I am doing, will repeat Luke 13:27 and Matthew 7:23 to you If you refuse to turn a new leaf, be warned, there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth MrPresident1:Clearly, I am no match for your level of ignorance concerning New Testament Greek Aorist tenses MrPresident1:Everyone has the right to be ignorant It's just that in your case, you've chosen to abuse the privilege MrPresident1:Look in the original Greek text to find the Aorist tense and understand it. SMH That a blind man doesn’t see the sun don’t mean the sun is not up in the sky MrPresident1:So ''has now been preached'' is the same as ''which is preached'' All earlier bible translations (e.g. Wycliffe bible and Tyndale bible) before King James version and its other translation contemporaries wrote ''which is preached'' You want keep your guilt and ignorance under wrap, this is why you continue turning a deaf ear and blind eye MrPresident1:I have never until on this thread seen a crass display of openly and unashamedly Olympic standard ignorance done like you've been doing MrPresident1:I am not going to waste time and breathe on a real hard-case incorrigible comment MrPresident1:I see this fits MrPresident1 perfectly, like a hand in a glove and not FOLYKAZE MrPresident1:Gone off tangent again MrPresident1:There you are. See So, if The Enabler or the One that is letting, is the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit hasnt been taken away why do you think preaching the Holy Spirit hasnt been taken away Because the gospel is still been, is going to be preached to the unborn, to another in some remote far place The gospel wasnt preached in Nigeria, North America in Paul's time. Get a grip man. 1 Like |
Re: The Gospel Has Already Been Preached To The Whole World by MrPresident1: 12:11pm On Jul 17, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff: OK Muttleylaff, I have been reading up on Aorist tenses . So, in the context that Paul used it, there was no time or duration attached . You are right. Paul even admonished Timothy to continue the preaching when he said of himself that ''I have finished the race'' a•o•rist ˈāərəst/ Grammar noun noun: aorist; plural noun: aorists 1. (especially in Greek) an unqualified past tense of a verb without reference to duration or completion of the action. Take note that at some point in time, the Aorist tense must take a definitive timeline. But, how can we know and verify that the gospel has been preached to the world which is essential for our understanding of end time prophecy? By compositely examining Scriptures, here a little there a little, the part to the whole to build a whole and wholesome picture. The composite examination of the Scriptures will help us to unravel the timeline for the completion of the preaching of the gospel. Now, before we continue, take note that the people did not know that Noah was already locked up in the Ark until the flood came. Noah had concluded his gospel and was already sealed in the Ark, yet it was not apparent to the people of his day, until the waters came. No one of them took notice. Again, take note that at some point in time, the Aorist tense must take a definitive timeline. So, why not now, when Peter admonishes us to be hastening on to the day in which the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved and the elements melt with fervent heat? To buttress this point on hastening on to the day, Paul's 3 step process for verifying the validity of prophecy regarding the return of Christ has now been fully accomplished and authenticated. The 3 steps have occurred . Christ will return at the time appointed which time is expressly specified to us as ''like a thief in the night, and no one knows the day or hour. MuttleyLaff: Yes, the Aorist . The time is now, as deduced from the examination of other related Scriptures to find the timeline. The time is now. MuttleyLaff: Thanks for the knowledge on Aorist tenses MuttleyLaff: Your major challenge is that you are unable to situate Bible prophecy into contemporary timelines , it is a special gift from God . You need to read on the Enabler from Tyndale and Wycliffe Bibles not in newer Bible translations. 2 Thessalonians 2:6-8 6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: What is given here above is explicit and well explained...And now ye know what is withholding (the coming of Christ) that he might be revealed in his time.... For the mystery of iniquity is already at work when you see the authentication process confirmed, but he that is letting/allowing/enabling (the activity of the wicked one) will continue to let him/enable him/allow him until he is taken away. When the enable is taken away nko? and then the Wicked will be revealed, whom our Lord Jesus Christ will destroy at his coming (in September 2017) MuttleyLaff: OK, you are not an olodo because you thought me Aorist tense , the Aorist tense also explains the nature of our God who commands things that are not as though they are. Upon authentication, when you see the things that may withhold his coming being demolished, then the point is proved that every creature under heaven has heard the gospel ; and the Aorist acquires a closure. |
Re: The Gospel Has Already Been Preached To The Whole World by MrPresident1: 9:46pm On Jul 18, 2017 |
2 Thessalonians 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. What withholdeth? Do you know it? What withholdeth has been fulfilled. Praise God! |
Re: The Gospel Has Already Been Preached To The Whole World by MrPresident1: 6:32pm On Jul 19, 2017 |
Muttleylaff, I have been expecting your feedback on 2 Thess. 2 that I expect that by now you should have read in the Wycliff and Tyndale Bibles (in comparison with the newer translations of the Bible). I also expect that you may have questions about the fulfillment of end-time prophecy and the coming of Christ, but your trail has gone cold. 2 Thessalonians 2:6-8 6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: This explanation is pretty much straightforward, Paul expressly tells us...And now you know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. What is this thing or those events withholding (his coming), have you identified it/them? |
Re: The Gospel Has Already Been Preached To The Whole World by MrPresident1: 5:47pm On Jul 21, 2017 |
Let us all agree that Muttleylaff is a chicken His case is closed. |
Re: The Gospel Has Already Been Preached To The Whole World by MrPresident1: 10:16pm On Jul 21, 2017 |
Requiem mass for Muttleylaff, I done slew the olodo All bluster and chicken, no stuff whatsoever, shiooor |
Re: The Gospel Has Already Been Preached To The Whole World by MuttleyLaff: 7:08am On Aug 02, 2017 |
MrPresident1: MrPresident1: MrPresident1: You're inconsistent just like your failing predictions are Try Chicken Republic or KFC as it seems you unnecessarily have OCD (i.e. Obsessive Chicken Disorder) |
Re: The Gospel Has Already Been Preached To The Whole World by MrPresident1: 10:45am On Aug 02, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff: MrPresident1: Oya, now that you have resurrected from the dead, take a look at this and provide explanations, chicken |
Re: The Gospel Has Already Been Preached To The Whole World by MrPresident1: 6:46pm On Aug 05, 2017 |
MrPresident1: Muttleylaff chicken , this question is still waiting for you |
Re: The Gospel Has Already Been Preached To The Whole World by MrPresident1: 9:06am On Aug 13, 2017 |
Muttleylaff olodo |
Re: The Gospel Has Already Been Preached To The Whole World by MuttleyLaff: 12:32pm On Aug 13, 2017 |
MrPresident1: MrPresident1: MrPresident1:How can you say someone doesn't know anything after you've earlier said he knows Can you now see from the bolded in the above mentions, that you're inconsistent |
Re: The Gospel Has Already Been Preached To The Whole World by MrPresident1: 12:47pm On Aug 13, 2017 |
MrPresident1: MuttleyLaff: Oya answer the question na if you are not a olodo shebi U were making mouth, you will do this, you will do that, simple question now you turn to chicken 1. Answer or 2. In silence, accept that you a olodo rabata |
Re: The Gospel Has Already Been Preached To The Whole World by MuttleyLaff: 1:47pm On Aug 13, 2017 |
MrPresident1: You lie like a Persia rug You are competing with devil, with your lying and pretending I havent answered you If you can successfully quote me where I was making mouth, saying I'll do this, will do that then, even though I had already answered you, I wouldnt mind doing it again and/or refer you to my earlier response |
Re: The Gospel Has Already Been Preached To The Whole World by MrPresident1: 1:56pm On Aug 13, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff: He accepts his chickenhood |
Re: The Gospel Has Already Been Preached To The Whole World by MuttleyLaff: 2:05pm On Aug 13, 2017 |
MrPresident1:With no regrets You're still lying like a Persia rug though. The devil has competition the way you fabricate lies and pretend I havent answered you You cant quote me where I was making mouth, saying I'll do this, will do that because it never happened that way Reiterating, even though I had already answered you, I wouldnt mind doing it again and/or refer you to my earlier response, if you produce the mention and proof of me saying: ''I'll do this, will do that...' |
Re: The Gospel Has Already Been Preached To The Whole World by MrPresident1: 2:18pm On Aug 13, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff: Only you know that you have answered the question. Quote your answer, and stop trying to use chicanery, quote your response to my question here. |
Re: The Gospel Has Already Been Preached To The Whole World by MrPresident1: 9:41pm On Aug 26, 2017 |
Muttleylaff chicken |
Re: The Gospel Has Already Been Preached To The Whole World by MuttleyLaff: 10:35pm On Aug 26, 2017 |
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Re: The Gospel Has Already Been Preached To The Whole World by MrPresident1: 10:49pm On Aug 26, 2017 |
MrPresident1: MuttleyLaff: Oya answer the question on your head |
Re: The Gospel Has Already Been Preached To The Whole World by MrPresident1: 6:25pm On Jul 23, 2018 |
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Re: The Gospel Has Already Been Preached To The Whole World by MrPresident1: 7:05am On May 05, 2019 |
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