hahn:


It is obvious you do not read before commenting on this platform. Your ignorance is becoming a bore



Read @ emboldened again several times and hopefully you will understand where hopefullandlord is coming from and hopefully shut up and save the rest of us from your ignorance

Doctor

I decided to ignore his last reply cuz I get dumber when I engage in long arguments with him and I'll wager viewers also get dumber reading his posts

hahn:


Stupid rant upon stupid rant

Don't you have something reasonable to say even if it is just as a surprise?

Duurrrhhhh
I just told u to go back to where u r coming from.
Thats the best type of advice for barrels like u
.....

hopefulLandlord:

I decided to ignore his last reply cuz I get dumber when I engage in long arguments with him and I'll wager viewers also get dumber reading his posts

As in.....


Even seeing his moniker reduces one's IQ

Ever8054:
the moment you realized we preaching and shoving are 2 different things the better for you...that's why you are preached to but not forced to believe...

Are you serious? You mean someone screaming with a load speaker from 5:00AM, waking me and my children everyday is only preaching and not shoving? Someone disturbing my eardrum, screaming at the top of his voice throughout my journey from Lagos to Abuja is preaching and not shoving? Please differentiate between what you understand by shoving and preaching.

You now need to explain to me how atheists have shoved atheism down you or anyone's throat, have any atheist knocked on your door telling you to become an atheist? Are you saying that when Christians like you attack atheists - both verbally and physically, they should not respond but simply turn the other cheek?

wirinet:


Are you serious? You mean someone screaming with a load speaker from 5:00AM, waking me and my children everyday is only preaching and not shoving? Someone disturbing my eardrum, screaming at the top of his voice throughout my journey from Lagos to Abuja is preaching and not shoving? Please differentiate between what you understand by shoving and preaching.

You now need to explain to me how atheists have shoved atheism down you or anyone's throat, have any atheist knocked on your door telling you to become an atheist? Are you saying that when Christians like you attack atheists - both verbally and physically, they should not respond but simply turn the other cheek?

definition..(shove) to push especially,roughly or forcefully.
..(preaching)..the act of delivering a sermon or similar moral instructions..

to your second question, there is no where in my post mentioned that atheist shoves there believe on anyone..I only advice them to stop disturbing themselves and others with questions about a God they believe do not exist.

hopefulLandlord:
yes it invalidates the OP because the author's ignorance stinks to the high imaginary heavens

big bang is never an atheist claim and the OP was created on the assumption that it was

Maybe you can tell here secretly what you believed

hahn:

As in.....

Even seeing his moniker reduces one's IQ

Verify Clam! IQ =-1
Oya na

hopefulLandlord:
That awkward moment when OP realises Big Bang was first proposed by a theist, Georges Lemaître, a Belgian physicist and Roman Catholic priest, and the Pope even wanted to make it part of the Christian doctrine as "proof of god"

go figure ignorant OP

who ever that proposed the theory of big bang or who ever that wanted to make it part of Christian doctrine does not implies its written in the Bible that we believe it's records. that's why it has been handed over to the atheist as there own doctrine cause you guys are so confused that you needed something to hold unto to keep them going.
so if you deny the big bang theory, what else do you have to explain existence?.. ha..

Ever8054:
who ever that proposed the theory of big bang or who ever that wanted to make it part of Christian doctrine does not implies its written in the Bible that we believe it's records. that's why it has been handed over to the atheist as there own doctrine cause you guys are so confused that you needed something to hold unto to keep them going.
so if you deny the big bang theory, what else do you have to explain existence?.. ha..

Hahahahahahahahaha, this post reeks of so much ignorance its best if I ceded the discussion, you win!!!

felixomor:


The fact that it was proposed by a theist still doesnt invalidate the point of the OP.

Atheists need to face their front.

Absolutely!!!!!.

GoodMuyis:


Verify Clam! IQ =-1

Oya na

GoodMuyis:

Maybe you can tell here secretly what you believed

what secretly

GoodMuyis:

Verify Clam! IQ =-1
Oya na

Lol... wicked

GoodMuyis:

Verify Clam! IQ =-1
Oya na

Lol... wicked

Ever8054:
definition..(shove) to push especially,roughly or forcefully.
..(preaching)..the act of delivering a sermon or similar moral instructions..

to your second question, there is no where in my post mentioned that atheist shoves there believe on anyone..I only advice them to stop disturbing themselves and others with questions about a God they believe do not exist.

Atheists will stop disturbing themselves and others with questions about a God they believe does not exist when theists stop disturbing them and others about a God they believe does not exist.

Ever8054:
who ever that proposed the theory of big bang or who ever that wanted to make it part of Christian doctrine does not implies its written in the Bible that we believe it's records. that's why it has been handed over to the atheist as there own doctrine cause you guys are so confused that you needed something to hold unto to keep them going.
so if you deny the big bang theory, what else do you have to explain existence?.. ha..

Your posts reeks of so much ignorance.
So you are implying that because, the Germ theory, the atomic theory, the Pythagoras theory, and all other scientific theories were not written in the Bible, they should be rejected by Christians and viewed as being handed over to atheists as their doctrines.

You have no idea of what the big bang theory is or what it helps to explain about the universe. The big bang theory never portend to explain existence, it only tries to explain the expanding universe.

wirinet:

Your posts reeks of so much ignorance.
So you are implying that because, the Germ theory, the atomic theory, the Pythagoras theory, and all other scientific theories were not written in the Bible, they should be rejected by Christians and viewed as being handed over to atheists as their doctrines.

You have no idea of what the big bang theory is or what it helps to explain about the universe. The big bang theory never portend to explain existence, it only tries to explain the expanding universe.

sir,yes I can conveniently tell you that,what ever it is that scientific theories has tried to explain do not explain anything to benefit me as a Christian.it might benefit you cause your faith depends on it while the bible has explained to me all I should hold unto for my own benefit..hope at this point you will understand why it is important for atheist to stop asking questions about God and face there scientific theories?..cause they seek answers that they don't need.

Ever8054:
sir,yes I can conveniently tell you that, what ever it is that scientific theories has tried to explain do not explain anything to benefit me as a Christian. it might benefit you cause your faith depends on it while the bible has explained to me all I should hold unto for my own benefit..hope at this point you will understand why it is important for atheist to stop asking questions about God and face there scientific theories?..cause they seek answers that they don't need.

Are you for real, Scientific theories has not benefited you?

Are you saying the Germ Theory has not benefited you? So you still believe leprosy and other diseases are caused by evil spirits and demons and not germs?
You have not benefited from scientific theories but you are using a computer or smartphone to communicate here on Nairaland and not employ spirits and angels to pass your messages to others. The electricity you are using depends on Electron Theory.

As i said earlier, if you guys do not want atheists asking questions of your God, then stop disturbing them about your God.

wirinet:


Are you for real, Scientific theories has not benefited you?

Are you saying the Germ Theory has not benefited you? So you still believe leprosy and other diseases are caused by evil spirits and demons and not germs?
You have not benefited from scientific theories but you are using a computer or smartphone to communicate here on Nairaland and not employ spirits and angels to pass your messages to others. The electricity you are using depends on Electron Theory.

As i said earlier, if you guys do not want atheists asking questions of your God, then stop disturbing them about your God.

sir,as a Christian,personally what I call beneficial to my life is that thing that will contribute to my spiritual growth and will draw me closer to my creator..and all you just mentioned cant offer me such.
..what matters to we Christians are things of the spirit and not things of the world.
the difference between we and you is that,.we believe in the fact that our existence is totally the work of a supernatural design while you guys has no base as to your existence.
you are existing because you exist.
now to make you understand things better,..science is the source of nature,that very nature you guys has not been able to ascertain its source.. or you do,'but for academic relevance has refused to agree with reality that God is the source of nature that is why God is the greatest scientist. that is if you insist to take it from science regards.
..I wonder how you guys feel comfortable to take away intelligence from creation not considering the logic that is so glaring even on you as a figure.
..just look at the design and functions of your body parts. e.g your mouth to eat food,intestine and others to digest the food, anus to excrete and make way for another food,and availability of the food.
eye to see your way..ears to hear,brain to reason,hands to fold perfectly to perform suitable functions,..the amazing of it all...male and female organs for reproductive purpose.. ha..consider those things then come back and tell me there is no intelligence behind this arrangements but....then tell me its by chance...

Ever8054:
sir,as a Christian,personally what I call beneficial to my life is that thing that will contribute to my spiritual growth and will draw me closer to my creator..and all you just mentioned cant offer me such.
..what matters to we Christians are things of the spirit and not things of the world.
the difference between we and you is that,.we believe in the fact that our existence is totally the work of a supernatural design while you guys has no base as to your existence.
you are existing because you exist.
now to make you understand things better,..science is the source of nature,that very nature you guys has not been able to ascertain its source.. or you do,'but for academic relevance has refused to agree with reality that God is the source of nature that is why God is the greatest scientist. that is if you insist to take it from science regards.
..I wonder how you guys feel comfortable to take away intelligence from creation not considering the logic that is so glaring even on you as a figure.
..just look at the design and functions of your body parts. e.g your mouth to eat food,intestine and others to digest the food, anus to excrete and make way for another food,and availability of the food.
eye to see your way..ears to hear,brain to reason,hands to fold perfectly to perform suitable functions,..the amazing of it all...male and female organs for reproductive purpose.. ha..consider those things then come back and tell me there is no intelligence behind this arrangements but....then tell me its by chance...

I heard you calling my name
Now that you have entered intelligent design in your argument, kindly move over to this thread https://www.nairaland.com/3735154/arguments-against-intelligent-design and continue your debate there.

@op,

Some of the errors you made in your first post, can easily be corrected by 6 year old kids in Sweden and Japan!!! These are your errors!!!

1."how an unintelligent big bang was able to form male and female with there respective reproductive organs?".........................................................The Big Bang has nothing to do with the formation of reproductive organs!!! Big Bang is under Cosmology(not cosmetology oohh!!), while formation of sexual organs is an entirely different field(under Biology)!!!

2."you don't believe in God but you won't face your big bang creator".................................................The Big Bang only addresses the "EXPANSION OF SPACE AND TIME", not the creation of the Universe!!!

3"why ask...questions about a God you don't believe exist?".....................................................Because you use your "belief" in this non existent comic book character to harm other people!!!(that little boy in Akwa Ibom who was sent to the evil forest to die)

4."you should likewise ignore him and face your almighty big bang"............................................Why should we face the Big Bang and worship it? We are not primitive idol worshipers like yourself who worship a public nuisance(jesus), who died on 2 pieces of chewing stick!!!

HURAH! A FLORIDA COURT SETS OFFICIAL ATHEIST HOLY DAY

In Florida , an atheist created a case against Easter and Passover Holy days. He hired an attorney to bring a discrimination case against Christians and Jews and observances of their holy days. The argument was that it was unfair that atheists had no such recognized days.

The case was brought before a judge. After listening to the passionate presentation by the lawyer, the judge banged his gavel declaring,
"Case dismissed!"

The lawyer immediately stood and objecting to the ruling saying,
"Your honor, How can you possibly dismiss this case? The Christians have Christmas, Easter and others.

The Jews have Passover, Yom Kippur and Hanukkah, yet my client and all other atheists have no such holidays..."

The judge leaned forward in his chair saying, "But you do. Your client, counselor, is woefully ignorant."
The lawyer said," Your Honor, we are unaware of any special observance or holiday for atheists."
The judge said, "The calendar says April 1st is April Fool’s Day.
Psalm 14:1 states, 'The fool says in his heart, there is no God.'

Thus, it is the opinion of this court, that, if your client says there is no God, then he is a fool. Therefore, April 1st is his day.

Court is adjourned..."

You gotta love a Judge that knows his scripture!

Ever8054:
sir,as a Christian,personally what I call beneficial to my life is that thing that will contribute to my spiritual growth and will draw me closer to my creator..and all you just mentioned cant offer me such.
..what matters to we Christians are things of the spirit and not things of the world.
the difference between we and you is that,.we believe in the fact that our existence is totally the work of a supernatural design while you guys has no base as to your existence.

Are you implying electricity, internet, telephony, antibiotics, electronic reader and books and other inventions based on scientific knowledge does not contribute to your spiritual growth? Now answer this question, can you have spiritual growth if you fail to grow physically and mentally?

Since you christians claim things of this world do not matter to you, then why are you enjoying material things of this world like phones, TVs, Cars, etc, why not drink cyanide like followers of Jim Jones of Jonestown and join your God in to enjoy everlasting in spirit. I do not see why you still cling tenaciously to this world.

Please explain how the belief that your existence is the design of a supernatural being provides a basis and reason for your existence.

you are existing because you exist.

I love this your statement; I exist because i exist. This is similar to the verse; I am who I am, in the bible.

now to make you understand things better,..science is the source of nature,that very nature you guys has not been able to ascertain its source.. or you do,'but for academic relevance has refused to agree with reality that God is the source of nature that is why God is the greatest scientist. that is if you insist to take it from science regards.

Science never claimed to be the source of nature, science on attempts to sturdy and explain nature.
If you say that your God is the source of nature, the onus falls on you to provide your evidence so that scientists can study and verify it.

..I wonder how you guys feel comfortable to take away intelligence from creation not considering the logic that is so glaring even on you as a figure.
..just look at the design and functions of your body parts. e.g your mouth to eat food,intestine and others to digest the food, anus to excrete and make way for another food,and availability of the food.
eye to see your way..ears to hear,brain to reason,hands to fold perfectly to perform suitable functions,..the amazing of it all...male and female organs for reproductive purpose.. ha..consider those things then come back and tell me there is no intelligence behind this arrangements but....then tell me its by chance...

The above is just senseless ramble. If you do not have mouth to eat food, intestine and other organs to digest food, your cells and body would not have the necessary energy to function and survive, so you can not exist in the first place. If you do not have an anus, how else would you excrete poisonous waste products of the food to take into your body? Same thing applies to all other organs of the body, if you do not have ears, eyes brains, hands, legs, etc, you will not exist.

eplanning:
HURAH! A FLORIDA COURT SETS OFFICIAL ATHEIST HOLY DAY

In Florida , an atheist created a case against Easter and Passover Holy days. He hired an attorney to bring a discrimination case against Christians and Jews and observances of their holy days. The argument was that it was unfair that atheists had no such recognized days.

The case was brought before a judge. After listening to the passionate presentation by the lawyer, the judge banged his gavel declaring,
"Case dismissed!"

The lawyer immediately stood and objecting to the ruling saying,
"Your honor, How can you possibly dismiss this case? The Christians have Christmas, Easter and others.

The Jews have Passover, Yom Kippur and Hanukkah, yet my client and all other atheists have no such holidays..."

The judge leaned forward in his chair saying, "But you do. Your client, counselor, is woefully ignorant."
The lawyer said," Your Honor, we are unaware of any special observance or holiday for atheists."
The judge said, "The calendar says April 1st is April Fool’s Day.
Psalm 14:1 states, 'The fool says in his heart, there is no God.'

Thus, it is the opinion of this court, that, if your client says there is no God, then he is a fool. Therefore, April 1st is his day.

Court is adjourned..."

You gotta love a Judge that knows his scripture!

Now, you simply confirmed the idiocy of God idea and all that's attributed to it.

In Christian' warped and fictional mind, wherein he thinks an atheist will seek the ridiculous rights, is the permanent abode of elements that defines foolishness.

@Op, You that don't understand the difference between 'there' and 'their', what can you understand?

wirinet:

Are you implying electricity, internet, telephony, antibiotics, electronic reader and books and other inventions based on scientific knowledge does not contribute to your spiritual growth? Now answer this question, can you have spiritual growth if you fail to grow physically and mentally?

Since you christians claim things of this world do not matter to you, then why are you enjoying material things of this world like phones, TVs, Cars, etc, why not drink cyanide like followers of Jim Jones of Jonestown and join your God in to enjoy everlasting in spirit. I do not see why you still cling tenaciously to this world.

Please explain how the belief that your existence is the design of a supernatural being provides a basis and reason for your existence.


I love this your statement; I exist because i exist. This is similar to the verse; I am who I am, in the bible.

Science never claimed to be the source of nature, science on attempts to sturdy and explain nature.
If you say that your God is the source of nature, the onus falls on you to provide your evidence so that scientists can study and verify it.



The above is just senseless ramble. If you do not have mouth to eat food, intestine and other organs to digest food, your cells and body would not have the necessary energy to function and survive, so you can not exist in the first place. If you do not have an anus, how else would you excrete poisonous waste products of the food to take into your body? Same thing applies to all other organs of the body, if you do not have ears, eyes brains, hands, legs, etc, you will not exist.

..oh..my..are you serious?..you just summarize how its impossible for you to exist without the body parts and there functions,that I already know..so can you please explain how you got to exist in such perfect characteristics outside intelligence arrangements by an intelligent been?..that's all I want..and make sure you don't refer me to any link..bring it here thank you..

akintom:


Now, you simply confirmed the idiocy of God idea and all that's attributed to it.

In Christian' warped and fictional mind, wherein he thinks an atheist will seek the ridiculous rights, is the permanent abode of elements that defines foolishness.

..seriously..if that judgment made no sense to you,I wonder if you can find sense in anything... anyway!. that's what makes you an atheist shaaaa...God gave you brain to use don't waste it pls..

lilbest4:
@Op, You that don't understand the difference between 'there' and 'their', what can you understand?

I can manage to understand one thing should I tell you..?

rawgurl:
Op Atheism is more than just the knowledge that gods do not exist, and that religion is either a mistake or a fraud. Atheism is an attitude, a frame of mind that looks at the world objectively, fearlessly, always trying to understand all things as a part of nature.

An Atheist believes that a hospital should be built instead of a church. An Atheist believes that deed must be done instead of a prayer said. An Atheist strives for involvement in life and not escape into death. He wants disease conquered, poverty vanished, war eliminated

And death conquered abi?...hospitals build,disease conquered..death what..pls..

Niflheim:
@op,

Some of the errors you made in your first post, can easily be corrected by 6 year old kids in Sweden and Japan!!! These are your errors!!!

1."how an unintelligent big bang was able to form male and female with there respective reproductive organs?".........................................................The Big Bang has nothing to do with the formation of reproductive organs!!! Big Bang is under Cosmology(not cosmetology oohh!!), while formation of sexual organs is an entirely different field(under Biology)!!!

2."you don't believe in God but you won't face your big bang creator".................................................The Big Bang only addresses the "EXPANSION OF SPACE AND TIME", not the creation of the Universe!!!

3"why ask...questions about a God you don't believe exist?".....................................................Because you use your "belief" in this non existent comic book character to harm other people!!!(that little boy in Akwa Ibom who was sent to the evil forest to die)

4."you should likewise ignore him and face your almighty big bang"............................................Why should we face the Big Bang and worship it? We are not primitive idol worshipers like yourself who worship a public nuisance(jesus), who died on 2 pieces of chewing stick!!!

OK...thank you I have seen the mistakes..., now can you pls explain with facts how and what brought about existence in oder of course and effect...I want a starting point of things

Ever8054:
I can manage to understand one thing should I tell you..?

no