Jakumo:

US government in protest over the blacklisting of Nigerian air travellers triggered by the failed Xmas day terror attack which had been perpetrated by a Nigerian-born 72-Virgin seeker from the country's looting class.

I'm liking this idea of 72 virgins myself, that will be a new and fresh xyxxx everyday for about 2 months non-stop
Come to think about it, you could have a big problem satisfying just one virgin who has just learnt how sweet it is. Pray tell were they also promised viagra and other essential supplements You just can't promise a man 72 ravenous virgins without some sort of assistance, would you?

The government might not like to admit it but Islamic militancy is a problem in Nigeria.

But while Abdulmutallab may be an exception, he is not the first extremist to trouble the authorities.

Boko Haram’s leader, Mohammed Yusuf, was accused of having links to al Qaeda, but we will never be able to verify those claims because he was murdered shortly after being taken into custody.

Another radical Islamist sect, Kala Kato, clashed with a rival group and Nigerian security forces in the northern city of Bauchi. Northern Nigeria borders the unstable Sahel region, where al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM) is known to operate.

A poll conducted by the Pew Global Attitudes Project in 2009 found that 43 percent of Muslims in Nigeria thought suicide bombing was justifiable.

Nigerians might be right when they dismiss the Abdulmutallab case as a one-off, but they would do well to guard against complacency.

Tanko complained on official Kano state radio in mid-September 2005, “The Shi’a are fast gaining ground in Kano, like wild fire… in every nook and corner of this state, and if we don’t act fast and decisively we will be faced with a disaster worse than Maitatsine.”

Since the former governor of Zamfara State, Alhaji Ahmed Sani, introduced a draconian version of sharia in 1999, 11 of Nigeria's 36 states have followed suit. Five women were sentenced to death by stoning for adultery, though no punishment has yet been carried out. Thieves have had their hands amputated by court order. One man had his eye removed after accidentally blinding a friend (he could have escaped this by paying 60 camels, but the injured party wasn't interested in the camels).

Non-Muslims, usually Christians, have become second-class citizens in Sharia states like Zamfara. Their taxes pay for Islamic preachers, while hundreds of churches have been closed by government order. Gov Sani announced that all "unauthorized" places of worship in Zamfara State would be demolished. Those who exercise their right under the Nigerian constitution to change their religion from Islam are threatened with death, a punishment for apostasy under sharia law.

In 2004, in Yobe State, there was an uprising by a group calling itself the "Taliban," led by a "Mullah Omar," and demanding an Islamic state. It took several hundred troops two weeks to put it down.

In November 2001, Nigerian police arrested six Pakistani preachers, accusing them of inciting religious violence in Ogun state.

The usually reliable news service Compass Direct reports that one of "Taliban" raiders, Muslim cleric Alhaji Sharu, confessed to police that he was a middleman between Nigerian extremists and the Al-Muntada Al-Islami Trust, a Saudi funded "charity" headquartered in Britain. Sharu said that the Trust's money had been used to propagate a Wahabist version of Islam in Nigeria and fund religious violence.

We can go on and on through history to dig out this facts that the Nigerian Gov has not been able to tackle.

bluespice:

what does he mean by there is no Nigerian ambassador in US? is he sure he isn't thinking of the non-existent president?
Until when someone can tell me as he so wonderfully put it 'that the Nigerian state sponsored mutallab', PUTTING NIGERIA ON THE LIST IS NOT JUSTIFIABLE.

at the moment your country dose not have an ambassador to the us, the last was rejected, because his son allegedly raped some girls in maryland us. the one before was recalled after his racial tirade and abuse, of his retarded foreign minister, and the one before that has been indicted for selling embassy property. there you have it, the state of ur country.

there might not be an official ambassador, but the next in command will be acting so that negates his argument. There is an officiall representative of Nigerian interests in the US

bluespice:

there might not be an official ambassador, but the next in command will be acting so that negates his argument. There is an officiall representative of Nigerian interests in the US

Diplomatically, ambassadors and deputy/assistant/vice ambassadors don't carry the same weight. Also presidents tend to want to talk to other presidents, so Obama may not talk to Jonathan about this terror problem. Instead Obama talked with the Yemenese president, but where is our own?-----sorry another topic.

who do you think is an ambassador of a country? and what is his/her job?

A country's ambassador to another country has to duely credentialled by the host country. The ambassador has many other people working for him---deputy, vice, assistant ambassadors, so when he said that we have no ambassador in the US, he's 100% correct. No other employee of the embassy was meant to present their credential to the secretary of state like the ambassador.

Anyway, the points are clear, we have neither a president(we can see), nor an ambassador in the US at this critical diplomatic moment.

you havent told me what you think the ambassador does

don't worry i'll help you, it's to protect the interests of the country. Hence the ambassador is the mini president of his/her country when in a foreign country.
when madam nafdac wanted to protest the addition to the list, who did she call? obama?
i rest my case

in lighter news, even hitler doesn't think it's right to have Nigeria on the list
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That's a good one
Are those ladies supposed to be the virgins
I didn't count 72 of them.

lol
you got jokes man

Ha ha ha     Ahem           NOW snap to attention and stop grinning like idiots !    Herr Uberpussyfinder !  Send for the hot Nigerian university girls and hot eba demanded by the Fuerher before he makes us all face the firing squad.

[size=18pt]EBA NOW, you dumkopfs ! [/size]   [size=18pt]Schnell !![/size]

bluespice:

lol
you got jokes man

You think say na joke?
After working all night on this busy ward, God knows I could use a few good virgins right now, just like Jakumo, but 72?
I think I may need some assistance

Re: Should Nigeria Be On The Terror Watch-list?

We don't have a good record for me to proudly say no and it's so pitiful.

here is a few from the row call

1.  Dele Giwa was killed with a letter bomb in 1985.
2.  Umar Farouk attempted to blow up a plane with a bomb in december.
3. In the same month of december another man attempted to blow up Superscreen with parcel bomb.
3.  three teenagers hijacked a plane because of june 12 election.
4.  militants kidnapp white men for money in niger delta
5. boko haram islamic sects in 3 northern states
6. kalakato religious fracas in the same month of december
7 maitatsine sect war in lagos
8. jos religious riots.
9. the religious riot by muslims in nigeria because miss world pageant to be held in calabar which was later taken to another venue.
10. the stoning to death and burning of a  young lady christian corper by fanatic moslem students in katsina for malhandling the Quran.
11. Insensitivity by our government to all these and many more.

Classifying us might just be a wake up call to out kitchen leaders to begin to do things right. Americans cannot be blamed for protecting dear citizens if we cannot protect our own.

@Annaplenty
You made very good points.

annyplenty:

here is a few from the row call

1. Dele Giwa was killed with a letter bomb in 1985.
2. Umar Farouk attempted to blow up a plane with a bomb in december.
3. In the same month of december another man attempted to blow up Superscreen with parcel bomb.
3. three teenagers hijacked a plane because of june 12 election.
4. militants kidnapp white men for money in niger delta
5. boko haram islamic sects in 3 northern states
6. kalakato religious fracas in the same month of december
7 maitatsine sect war in lagos
8. jos religious riots.
9. the religious riot by muslims in nigeria because miss world pageant to be held in calabar which was later taken to another venue.
10. the stoning to death and burning of a young lady christian corper by fanatic moslem students in katsina for malhandling the Quran.
11. Insensitivity by our government to all these and many more.

Classifying us might just be a wake up call to out kitchen leaders to begin to do things right. Americans cannot be blamed for protecting dear citizens if we cannot protect our own.

Thank you!!

y'all seem to be missing the point,
Nigeria has her scores on internal problems,
she isnt considered a threat to the safety of chad republic,
how then is nigeria a safety threat to the US?

the action of one citizen is not a reflection of the remaining 150 million citizens.

Granted nigeria needs to wake up n do something about the safety crisis we have all accepted as the norm but the said crisis still is a very much internal issue

bluespice:

y'all seem to be missing the point,
Nigeria has her scores on internal problems,
she isnt considered a threat to the safety of chad republic,
how then is nigeria a safety threat to the US?

the action of one citizen is not a reflection of the remaining 150 million citizens.

Granted nigeria needs to wake up n do something about the safety crisis we have all accepted as the norm but the said crisis still is a very much internal issue

Thank you for your common sense.

bluespice:

y'all seem to be missing the point,
Nigeria has her scores on internal problems,
she isnt considered a threat to the safety of chad republic,
how then is nigeria a safety threat to the US?

the action of one citizen is not a reflection of the remaining 150 million citizens.

Granted nigeria needs to wake up n do something about the safety crisis we have all accepted as the norm but the said crisis still is a very much internal issue

I definitely do not think it is the case that we are missing the point here. You do admit that you cannot, in anyway, confirm that the ONLY reason or MAIN reason for this election is because of the action of this one citizen, so why continue to assume it is the case? And how do we confirm that the crisis is definitely an internal issue?

Kobojunkie:

I definitely do not think it is the case that we are missing the point here. You do admit that you cannot, in anyway, confirm that the ONLY reason or MAIN reason for this election is because of the action of this one citizen, so why continue to assume it is the case? And how do we confirm that the crisis is definitely an internal issue?

oh come off it already! even the statue of the thinking man will tell you that it's because of the actions of the failed bomber that nigeria was placed on the list.
We are able to know the security crisis in nigeria is internal because you don't see it anywhere that the result of one of the localised riots, inter or intra tribal wars in nigeria has in any way threatened the security of our border countries.
In all the riots the other poster listed, when were chad, benin republic, or cameroon considered in danger?

bluespice:

oh come off it already! even the statue of the thinking man will tell you that it's because of the actions of the failed bomber that nigeria was placed on the list.

I disagree!! A thinking man would probably put 2 and 2 together to figure it is likely NOT JUST about this one citizen considering Nigeria also happens to be missing a president( a VERY IMPORTANT LEADER in today’s society) at this very time. It is sort of hard to disregard the one when trying to figure out what really prompted the US to do this at this time.

bluespice:

We are able to know the security crisis in nigeria is internal because you don't see it anywhere that the result of one of the localised riots, inter or intra tribal wars in nigeria has in any way threatened the security of our border countries.
In all the riots the other poster listed, when were chad, benin republic, or cameroon considered in danger?

We can discuss the issues of our security crisis when we have solid data to go by, so if you do not mind, I would like to focus on the first please.

There was, only a couple of weeks ago, an announcement from one senator that the CIA had been informed that a Nigerian (this is long before this boy’s father and all that we know of today) was being trained by Al-Qaida out somewhere in Yemen. Now, upon considering what we know of the attempt on Christmas day, isn’t it possible that the authorities are convinced that this boy is just a decoy, and that the real Nigerian terrorist is still out there, and might strike soon? I ask this because I just find it really hard to believe that Al-Qaida actually trained this boy, expecting him to succeed in blowing up that plane.  And the speed and language from Al-Qaida after the revelation just seemed too unserious for me to believe this boy was actually expected to cause havoc on the day of the attempt.

ma'am i believe there are a couple of things you need to know about alqaeda and the reception they are getting from more and more middle easterners.
It's an organisation that relies a lot on threats and media coverage. More and more middle easterners are tired of the ceaseless loss of lives and are calling the dogma of alqaeda into question, hence their heavy reliance on IEDs in warfare. Anyone that succeeds in creating worldwide attention and invokes their name especially when it comes to america, they will more than likely claim responsibility. That is not saying mutalla was not trained by alqaeda supporters.

Again i ask, how does Nigeria's missing president translate to a terrorist threat?
how does the absence of a sitting president AND the failed bombing of ONE national who just so happens to hail and make a pit stop for A DAY in Nigeria translate to a tier 2 terrorist threat?
Do you even know what this means? Nigerians will be placed under the same level of scrutiny as countries deemed as terrorist breeding grounds yemen and co, AS WELL AS countries that support terorism Syria, Iran and co. If you have no idea how much this scrutiny entails, i suggest a lil research.

bluespice:

ma'am i believe there are a couple of things you need to know about alqaeda and the reception they are getting from more and more middle easterners.
It's an organisation that relies a lot on threats and media coverage. More and more middle easterners are tired of the ceaseless loss of lives and are calling the dogma of alqaeda into question, hence their heavy reliance on IEDs in warfare. Anyone that succeeds in creating worldwide attention and invokes their name especially when it comes to america, they will more than likely claim responsibility. That is not saying mutalla was not trained by alqaeda supporters.

We all know al-Qaida uses media to get supporters hyped but we also know from experience, that we cannot assume that is the case most of the time. We have seen the group step up its rhetoric in the last months of 2009 and we also saw lots more attacks and bloodshed as well. Obama attacked Al-Qaida in Yemen, I believe back in November, and retaliation was promised. So, I am not certain that taking this as yet another attempt to get media attention will be wise for affected nations.

bluespice:

Again i ask, how does Nigeria's missing president translate to a terrorist threat?
how does the absence of a sitting president AND the failed bombing of ONE national who just so happens to hail and make a pit stop for A DAY in Nigeria translate to a tier 2 terrorist threat?

I have not said that THE reason why Nigeria is on the list is because Yar adua is missing and the Boy is a Nigerian. No, I have simply suggested that could have been considered, among other reasons, during the decision making process.  I, however, do not understand why you have taken it on yourself to continue asking this question when

a) You admit you do not KNOW THE WHY of the selection
b) NO one has said it is the ONLY reason for the selection
c) The US has YET to release any reason to the public for the particular selection.

What is the point of your asking this question over and over then? Am I missing something else here on this?

bluespice:

Do you even know what this means? Nigerians will be placed under the same level of scrutiny as countries deemed as terrorist breeding grounds yemen and co, AS WELL AS countries that support terorism Syria, Iran and co. If you have no idea how much this scrutiny entails, i suggest a lil research.

I know what it means and believe you me; it is not that terrible a search. I mean you won’t get poked, and prodded much. You would be questioned and randomly searched probably. And you will likely be detained on arrival, and asked questions to help the authorities ascertain you are who you say you really are. I happen to have been given that treatment back in 2001 when the policy was for “RANDOM” searching all so the system could claim no discrimination. I had to sit in a room with about 20 other people of Arab descent to wait my turn for what seemed almost 30 minutes. Afterwards, I was ushered into a separate room for questioning and about 15 minutes later, I was allowed to leave. I was probably watched afterwards but since I had nothing to hide, I didn’t care much.

If there is anything else you would need for me to research on this, please do tell.

bluespice:

y'all seem to be missing the point,
Nigeria has her scores on internal problems,
she isnt considered a threat to the safety of[b] chad republic,[/b]
how then is nigeria a safety threat to the US?

the action of one citizen is not a reflection of the remaining 150 million citizens.

Granted nigeria needs to wake up n do something about the safety crisis we have all accepted as the norm but the said crisis still is a very much internal issue

Nigeria is a threat to any proeducation or progressive state, nation or region even southern Nigeria. Chad republic is just like northern Nigeria so why would they be a threat.

They should stay on the list

sjeezy8:

Nigeria is a threat to any proeducation or progressive state, nation or region even southern Nigeria. Chad republic is just like northern Nigeria so why would they be a threat.

They should stay on the list

Thanks.

Lets analyse this. Nigeria shows allegiance to the arabs by going to open a university in place of the u.n summit. Boko haram means what?. The miss world beauty pageant cost some people their lives. Reports have been made about alqueda presence trainin peeps in da north. Pictures of bin laden pasted all over the streets of the north thank to slave aboki mentality. Fake engineer that couldn't detonate a bomb from nigeria plus live interviews from nigeria showing public opinion about situation. All the imams were obviously in support of the fool. Plus he said there were many more of him planning the same missions. Do you peers still think we should be on the list?. But you guys are looking at the smaller picture america has a grand plan. You'll see. They predicted nigerias break ur before 2015 lets see.

@ sammyzacks  and @annyplenty, well-done lists.


In law – at least in American Jurisprudence – there is a concept called preponderance of circumstantial evidence, especially in civil litigation. It means that the law must not necessarily have a "smoking gun" evidence to convict, or in civil proceedings, assign liability.

The US looked at available intelligence, current events in the country and over the last decade and came to a logical conclusion: the Federal Republic of Nigeria is slipping into a failed and radicalized state and should be put on the terror-watch list.

Nigerians, despite their individual and collective industry have an antipathy to probity and accountability, and a disposition to neglect things until a rot becomes unmanageable. Had Nigeria heeded warnings of extremism within its midst, and taken concrete steps to curb it, the world might have seen the mutallab incidence as an aberration.

Had Nigeria, over decades, not developed its sordid reputation as a country that harbors fraudsters, embezzlers and drug traffickers, and tolerance for intolerant religious sects, the world might have had some empathy for the country's inclusion on the terror-watch list.

In addition to the lists posted by sammyzacks  and annyplenty, who can forget the black eye the same northern brothers gave Nigeria during the 2002 Miss World contest?. Let's face the fact that Nigeria has exhausted its reservoir of global goodwill.

So, to bluespice and those who continue to whine about Nigeria's inclusion on the terror list, it is important to realize that the world is tired of the excesses of Nigeria and its citizens. Even black Americans have become weary of Nigerians and their ways. It's no surprise then that the black civil right movement in the US has not risen to Nigeria's defense. Everyone is weary of Nigeria.

@Pifa
I couldn't have said it better!

No wonder the Andy Youngs and Jessie Jacksons of this World have kept silent over this issue. They could have probably kept quite and allowed us roll into a fully failed state-status had Mutallab not come knocking.

I used to not look at Nigerian rulers in terms of religion, but the bitter truth is that we're in this deplorable mess, because our heads of state since after Independence have always been predominantly muslims. Being muslims, they have openly and secretely allowed Islamic fundamentalist extremists unrestricted access into our country. So, why do we even pretend that we don't have Islamic terrorists in our own country?

To answer the question. Read it and understand.
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-377061.0.html