www.livingwaters.com

"Sure wish you can talk to my dad Ray. He's an atheist and so difficult to talk to about God." Ingrid Urey Bolanos

This is how I would talk to your dad if I had a chance. I would say "I have a question for you. As an atheist, do you believe that nothing created everything?—which is a scientific impossibility.” If he says that he does, I would emphasize that it's scientifically impossible, and leave him with that. If he doesn't believe that (which most admit they don't), I would follow up with "So you believe that something made everything, but it just wasn’t God?"

If he says a predictable "Yes, that's right," I would say, "Well you're not an atheist. You're an agnostic. You believe in some sort of creative force but you don't think it was God. Let's see if we can find out why you don't want it to be God." If he would let me speak further, I would take him through the Ten Commandments and we would find out that the issue isn't intellectual. It's moral. He's a liar, a thief, a blasphemer and an adulterer-at-heart who knows that God exists (but as someone once wisely said) He can't find Him for the same reason a thief can't find a policeman.

No More Delusions -> www.EvolutionVsGod.com

Source: https://www.facebook.com/official.Ray.Comfort 4 June 2014 at 17:00

Also see:

https://www.nairaland.com/5197050/woman-caught-act

https://www.nairaland.com/5244703/revolting-natives#79328081

https://www.nairaland.com/5217484/what-saved#78878196

https://www.nairaland.com/5211136/christian#78773509

https://www.nairaland.com/5166358/hands-carpenter#78057969

https://www.nairaland.com/5175183/those-think-hell-hideous-doctrine#78199300

https://www.nairaland.com/5166379/a-frame-roof#78058149

https://www.nairaland.com/3839573/how-preach-loved-one-atheist#57176103

Why must the Creator be God?

The Creator is just that, Creator.

Since you are the Creator of this thread, Are you God?

God is a creation of the Creator.

menxer:


Why must the Creator be God?

The Creator is just that, Creator.

Since you are the Creator of this thread, Are you God?

God is a creation of the Creator.

Who is the infinite Creator?

OLAADEGBU:


Who is the infinite Creator?

So you don't know you are the infinite creator as you choose to put it?

Take a look at your physical body, how many cells are there?
Do the cells in your body worship you, or do you demand praise and worship from those cells?

You are just a cell in the body of the infinite Creator, for lack of a more simplistic comparison.
Meaning at the level you are, you are a Creator.

Now that i know your childish creationist and mechanical method of evangelism, am i now ready to accept Jesus as my lost and personal servant?

menxer:


So you don't know you are the infinite creator as you choose to put it?

Take a look at your physical body, how many cells are there?
Do the cells in your body worship you, or do you demand praise and worship from those cells?

You are just a cell in the body of the infinite Creator, for lack of a more simplistic comparison.
Meaning at the level you are, you are a Creator.

Kindly visit this link and when you are done kindly feed us back with your findings. www.NeedGod.com

OLAADEGBU:


Kindly visit this link and when you are done kindly feed us back with your findings. www.NeedGod.com

That is just what a man created, and i am free to create mine. That doesn't mean you are not free to abdicate your creative freewill and adopt another man's creation.

menxer:


That is just what a man created, and i am free to create mine. That doesn't mean you are not free to abdicate your creative freewill and adopt another man's creation.

You are still arguing intellectually. Put your pride aside and let your conscience answer those questions, your conscience wouldn't deceive you.

Akiintom:
Now that i know your childish creationist and mechanical method of evangelism, am i now ready to accept Jesus as my lost and personal servant?

Ray Comfort is a joke, no atheist actually takes him seriously cuz his ignorance is nauseating

hopefulLandlord:


Ray Comfort is a joke, no atheist actually takes him seriously cuz his ignorance is nauseating

The joke is on you for believing that everything came out of nothing.

OLAADEGBU:

The joke is on you for believing that everything came out of nothing.

you forgot to share your post

hopefulLandlord:


you forgot to share your post

Is it worth sharing?

OLAADEGBU:


You are still arguing intellectually. Put your pride aside and let your conscience answer those questions, your conscience wouldn't deceive you.

You are not through with freewill, you are bringing in conscience and intellect.
Issorite!

My opinion is a reflection of my conscience expressed intellectually using freewill.

menxer:


You are not through with freewill, you are bringing in conscience and intellect.
Issorite!

Why are you afraid of your personal police? Your conscience is your personal police, you can only silence it but it is still there to blow the whistle when you are doing wrong.

OLAADEGBU:


Why are you afraid of your personal police? Your conscience is your personal police, you can only silence it but it is still there to blow the whistle when you are doing wrong.

So subscribing to a doctrine is not being afraid of conscience? That is still an exercise of freewill.

menxer:


So subscribing to a doctrine is not being afraid of conscience? That is still an exercise of freewill.

Just go through the link and let your conscience speak for itself. It will not deceive you as your mind would usually like to. It speaks the truth.

OLAADEGBU:


Just go through the link and let your conscience speak for itself. It will not deceive you as your mind would usually like to. It speaks the truth.

Do you think I haven't done that already?

menxer:


Do you think I haven't done that already?

I don't mean that you give your mental assent to it, what I meant is answering it with your conscience and if you did what did your conscience say?

menxer:

Do you think I haven't done that already?

you're wasting your time discussing with him, he's of little intellect (no offense meant) cuz he only regurgitates articles he found on apologist's websites, can't hold a discussion himself, has no opinion of his own but gives witty answers when cornered and shares every of his own posts

OLAADEGBU:


I don't mean that you give your mental assent to it, what I meant is answering it with your conscience and if you did what did your conscience say?

My conscience expresses itself through my intellect using freewill.

Left to my conscience alone we wouldn't be having this conversation, because it doesn't communicate with outsiders, (except telepathically, which is not an option here) yet you keep insisting I am using my intellect which is just an expressive part of my being.

How can you express yourself meaningfully, without your intellect?

You are trying to use emotional blackmail (which is what that link is about) forgetting this thread is about freewill.

menxer:


My conscience expresses itself through my intellect using freewill.

Left to my conscience alone we wouldn't be having this conversation, because it doesn't communicate with outsiders, (except telepathically, which is not an option here) yet you keep insisting I am using my intellect which is just an expressive part of my being.

How can you express yourself meaningfully, without your intellect?

You are trying to use emotional blackmail (which is what that link is about) forgetting this thread is about freewill.

The moment you allow your intellect to get involved in matters of the heart you will get derailed and start arguing using human philosophies to defend yourself. The basis of that link is the Moral Law which God, the Infinite Creator has given to guide us back to the truth. This Moral Law is what we are going to be judged by at the end of the day.

hopefulLandlord:


you're wasting your time discussing with him, he's of little intellect (no offense meant) cuz he only regurgitates articles he found on apologist's websites, can't hold a discussion himself, has no opinion of his own but gives witty answers when cornered and shares every of his own posts

I just realized I am trying to extricate myself from the paradox of Proverbs 26:4-5.

OLAADEGBU:


The moment you allow your intellect to get involved in matters of the heart you will get derailed and start arguing using human philosophies to defend yourself. The basis of that link is the Moral Law which God, the Infinite Creator has given to guide us back to the truth. This Moral Law is what we are going to be judged by at the end of the day.

I guess hopefulLandlord was right after all.

menxer:


I guess hopefulLandlord was right after all.

You have the freewill to continue to argue as your bedfellows. It's your choice that no one can take from you but remember that the Moral Law of God would there waiting for you at the end of the age.

OLAADEGBU:


You have the freewill to continue to argue as your bedfellows. It's your choice that no one can take from you but remember that the Moral Law of God would there waiting for you at the end of the age.

We are here discussing freewill and you start emotional blackmail by bringing in "moral law of God," for your information, there is no moral law except the ones made by man to keep people under control.

I say that to mean, just like in science, the laws of classical physics hold true untill you enter the realms of quantum physics.

Same with what you called "moral law of God," which doesn't exist in other realms of existence beyond the realms of religious indoctrination but as for freewill, you can't do without it no matter the realm of existence.

By the way, the sharia law is the "moral law of God," I believe that it is binding on you as a non-Muslim.

menxer:


We are here discussing freewill and you start emotional blackmail by bringing in "moral law of God," for your information, there is no moral law except the ones made by man to keep people under control.

You can see that your conscience is already condemning you when the subject of moral law comes up. Why don't you listen to your conscience for once? It will not deceive you unlike your faulty sinful theories.

menxer:


I say that to mean, just like in science, the laws of classical physics hold true untill you enter the realms of quantum physics.

The Moral Law is universal, it applies to all colours, cultures, nationalities and creed. They are objective wherever you apply them to your conscience.

menxer:


Same with what you called "moral law of God," which doesn't exist in other realms of existence beyond the realms of religious indoctrination but as for freewill, you can't do without it no matter the realm of existence.

Your freewill has been given to you to choose whether you want to obey the Moral Law or not. The man who refuses to obey the law of gravity will certainly pay the consequences when he is to jumb from the top of a tower building whether he likes it or not.

menxer:


By the way, the sharia law is the "moral law of God," I believe that it is binding on you as a non-Muslim.

Sharia laws are only applicable to those subjecting themselves under it. It is not universal.

OLAADEGBU:


You can see that your conscience is already condemning you when the subject of moral law comes up. Why don't you listen to your conscience for once? It will not deceive you unlike your faulty sinful theories.

Since you can see into my conscience why bother arguing?
@bolded, it's good you are the Judge, deciding what is Sin and what is not.

The Moral Law is universal, it applies to all colours, cultures, nationalities and creed. They are objective wherever you apply them to your conscience.

Your freewill has been given to you to choose whether you want to obey the Moral Law or not. The man who refuses to obey the law of gravity will certainly pay the consequences when he is to jumb from the top of a tower building whether he likes it or not. .

Sharia laws are only applicable to those subjecting themselves under it. It is not universal.

It is now the "moral law" no longer the "moral law of God"?
Did you realized you have shifted to the atheist position of morality without God?

the "moral law of God" just like gravity is not universal because there is no gravity in space. Meaning it applies to Christians on earth.
Choose your analogy well

Is it Allah that dictated the "moral law" you are talking about?

Pick another fight, bro.

menxer:


Since you can see into my conscience why bother arguing?
@bolded, it's good you are the Judge, deciding what is Sin and what is not.

Your conscience is your personal policeman. Don't be like the thief who doesn't believe in the existence of the police until he gets caught.

menxer:


It is now the "moral law" no longer the "moral law of God"?
Did you realized you have shifted to the atheist position of morality without God?

There is only one Moral Law (the decalogue) and this is universal and that is the reason it consonates with your conscience.

menxer:


the "moral law of God" just like gravity is not universal because there is no gravity in space. Meaning it applies to Christians on earth.
Choose your analogy well

There is gravity everywhere. Gravity from Earth keeps the Moon in orbit. Why don't you try jumping out of an airplane that is 30,000 miles in the air without a parachute and see whether there is gravity up their in the sky to be obeyed.

menxer:


Is it Allah that dictated the "moral law" you are talking about?

Pick another fight, bro.

Ask your conscience and compare it to either the decalogue or sharia law and see which one will resound in you.

OLAADEGBU:


Your conscience is your personal policeman. Don't be like the thief who doesn't believe in the existence of the police until he gets caught.



There is only one Moral Law (the decalogue) and this is universal and that is the reason it consonates with your conscience.



There is gravity everywhere. Gravity from Earth keeps the Moon in orbit. Why don't you try jumping out of an airplane that is 30,000 miles in the air without a parachute and see whether there is gravity up their in the sky to be obeyed.



Ask your conscience and compare it to either the decalogue or sharia law and see which one will resound in you.

So your conscience is your police and polices you, ok. Hope it doesn't take bribe.

So 30000 miles in the air is how far your decalogue clouded mind can imagine?
Space is measured in light years.

Besides the decalogue is a plagiarized version of other more ancient scriptures.

menxer:


So your conscience is your police and polices you, ok. Hope it doesn't take bribe.

So 30000 miles in the air is how far your decalogue clouded mind can imagine?
Space is measured in light years.

Besides the decalogue is a plagiarized version of other more ancient scriptures.

It's either you trust your conscience or you silence it with your philosophies. The fact remains that your conscience and the Moral Law is in agreement whether you like it or not. Only Jesus can set you free from intellectual suicide.

OLAADEGBU:


It's either you trust your conscience or you silence it with your philosophies. The fact remains that your conscience and the Moral Law is in agreement whether you like it or not. Only Jesus can set you free from intellectual suicide.

I don't need to ascend the Mountain using your idea of moral law as compass, as it is useless in this terrain and you can't force or blackmail me to.

Jesus discovered and said, "I am the way. I am the truth. I am the life, nobody accesses the Father except by me (I am)"
mind you, he didn't say, "I, Jesus, am the way." "I, Jesus, am the truth." "I, Jesus, am the Life."

And I also have discovered that I am the way, I am the truth, I am the life, and I have access to the Father through me (I am).

If and when you make that discovery for yourself, the teachings of Jesus has set you free.

Jesus did not come to be worshipped of men and neither did any of the ancient masters.

So the earlier you wake up to that reality (before you are awaken by physical death) the better.

OLAADEGBU:


You are still arguing intellectually. Put your pride aside and let your conscience answer those questions, your conscience wouldn't deceive you.

what is conscience please?