Saying jesus is my friend or anything similar to it is only figurative.

And this whole thread is just a rant. Dont believe in God or jesus- fine?
But dont just go on insulting other peoples belief just because you dont agree with it- we all have the right to believe what we want to.

According to my belief
Jesus is an extension of God, he is God. But God in the form of man. Thats why people say he is God and the son of God. Read jesus the messiah by efe m ehioghae to understand this more.

And this means he is omniscient like God. I.e he knows us all. If we believe in him and behave Christ-like and we "know" his story and personal life in the new testament. Thats the relationship


Btw most of these questions you asked can be answered by someone who has read the story of jesus.


He didnt attend any college. He spoke aramaic was a character, had a humourous amd sarcastic personality, was am excellent teacher etc

hopefulLandlord:
"I have a deep, personal relationship with Jesus Christ."

Do you gag as much as I do at hearing this? our Christians parrot it like the be all and end all but scratch the surface and you'll see that its all meaningless words meant to feel good and keep the sheep





let's see

I've known my sister for decades. Although I'm a Gallivanter (not strictly) and she lives in Trondheim, Norway so we only see each other every couple of years, I can tell you:

• how tall she is.

• what color her eyes are.

• what color and how curly her hair is.

• the different kinds of prescription drugs she takes, and what for.

• which parts of her have been operated on.

• which colleges she attended.

• what jobs she's held.

• what cities she's lived in.

• what her hobbies are.

• the names and breeds of the various dogs and cats she's had thru the years.

• her favorite sports teams, and which one she has season tickets for.

• the TV programs she watches regularly.

• that it's her on the phone just from the sound of her voice.

• her attitude toward eating meat.

• whom she voted for in the last parliamentary election.

• what kind of medical care she wants in case of a terminal illness.

• her favorite color.

• and about 50 other things.

Now that's a personal relationship. Could any of you Bible-thumpers manage even half a dozen comparable answers about your "deep, personal friend" Jesus? And, even assuming your overwrot imagination could in fact gin up a few stabs at them, what are chances that they'd agree with any other equally deluded "True Believer"? on the other hand, you could ask any of my sister's other good friends about the above characteristics, and I'm confident they'd give you the exact same answers I would. That's because my sister, unlike your Jesus, is real — a 3-dimensional, flesh-and-blood, living, breathing, real-world human being, with a life, preferences, substance, and history.

So, Mr. or Ms. True Believer, let's say you're walking across mall one day, you see your good buddy Jesus in a bunch of folks ahead of you, and you holler "Hey, J, dude, wait up!". Would he?

Let's not kid ourselves. This would never even happen because there's no way you'd be able to pick Jesus out of a crowd. Heck, you couldn't pick him out of a 1-person lineup. You wouldn't know him if he walked up to you on the street and handed you his business card. (In fact, it would tickle me pink to see your reaction if somebody actually did exactly that.)

you guys can't even agree on who this your "deep personal friend" Jesus is
There are those who believe Jesus IS God.
There are those who believe Jesus is the "Son" aspect of the trinity.
There are those who believe Jesus was a human being touched by god, and God spoke through him.
There are those who believe that Jesus was a man born with his "eyes opened", or "enlightened", and simply spoke what he knew, but was not God himself. (The phrase "Son of God" is often used to refer to Rabbis in general.) yet all these guys have "deep personal relationship" with the same entity

So obviously, we both know exactly what your claim to have a "deep, personal relationship with Jesus Christ" is. It's bullsheeet. You know it's bullsheeet. Everybody else knows it's bullsheeet. The only reason you keep on repeating this bullsheeet is because it's the slogan of the club that some con artist or charlatan has suckered you into believing you really want to be a member of. All you have to do is keep repeating the magic bullsheeet phrase "I have a deep, personal relationship with Jesus Christ" and you can keep going to the club meetings. (Provided you keep paying the dues, too; let's not forget what's really important here.)

But don't think that repeating that phrase is going to win you anything but contempt or possibly some degree of pity from anyone with a functioning brain. All you're really demonstrating is that you don't know diddly squat about real relationships or the way the real world really works.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLBDFe3mDtk

hopefulLandlord:
from my view and from a neutral view, it is meaningless
okay, but that doesn't explain the huge level of differences between you guys

I understand this BUT I think you might be pulling a strawman here unintentionally

I'm not saying there won't be differences, there can be certain things you know about your mother that your siblings may not and vice versa, perhaps your mother confides in you more than she does your siblings, that's understandable; however the BASIC things stay the same regardless, you guys KNOW what your mother does for a living, you guys KNOW her favourite foods, you guys KNOW what sickness (if any) she's usually down with, you guys KNOW when last she was hospitalised and the reason for that, you guys KNOW her friends and family, you guys KNOW a lot of other things that an outsider like me doesn't know but in the case f Christianity you guys can't even agree on the basics, what if my sister tells you our mother is white, works at KPMG and my younger brother says she's black and works at HSBC? obviously they can't both be right meaning one is wrong, the reason for their being wrong is that perhaps my mother lied to one OR one of them is lying, obviously there's something wrong somewhere if basic things are not gotten right about a "deep personal friend"!!! that's the point here

you haven't said anything about why it CAN'T be homogeneous, you only stated that one shouldn't expect such, that's not convincing at all

mind you, you seem to be conflating two different terms here, you're using the word "Jesus" and "God" interchangeably, which even MANY Christians themselves don't agree with!

I disagree that you and other christians are talking about the same Jesus in different ways; some of the details are just too contradictory.
There are Christians who believe Jesus IS God.
There are Christians who believe Jesus is the "Son" aspect of the trinity.
There are Christians who believe Jesus was a human being touched by god, and God spoke through him.
There are Christians who believe that Jesus was a man born with his "eyes opened", or "enlightened", and simply spoke what he knew, but was not God himself. (The phrase "Son of God" is often used to refer to Rabbis in general.)

and ALL THESE GUYS CLAIM TO HAVE DEEP PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE SAME JESUS!!!!

isn't it obvious


can't argue against anecdotal fallacies




I'll just drop this bible verse

I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you…that they may be one as we are one— I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me…

John 17:20-23

Sir, the Bible is clear. Jesus is God. Jesus is the son of God. Jesus is a servant of God. Jesus is a prophet of God. I know its hard to comprehend how Jesus can be all these things, but I explain it to you. But the fundamental truth of the Christian faith is the Divinity, death and resurrection of Jesus. Any other belief contrary to that is false. That person doesn't have a deep relationship with Jesus. I don't know who he has a relationship with. Muhammad claimed he was hearing from God. At least people could argue he had a deep relationship with God. Didn't mean he actually did.
Finally, talking about Unity. Unity is not uniformity. 1st we are Christians (which is the most important thing) before we are Catholics or Anglicans or winners or whatever. Every other title is secondary. The single most important title is that we are Christians and children of God.

hopefulLandlord:


true

Jehovah's Witnesses also "Know" they're the only ones that'll make heaven and both Anglican, Catholic, Calvinists etc won't make heaven, they don't even allow Jehovah's Witnesses to marry outside the sect lol

Jehovah's witnesses aren't Christians. They are a cult.

onyenze123:
I expect most of them (Christians) that are "Deeply in Personal Relationship With Jesus Christ" to at least be do what Christ commanded but the reverse seems to be the case.

It's a matter of choice. You can be in a deep personal relationship with Allah but what matters to me is "are you a good person" ?

#nolabels

How do you define a good person?

ilynem:

How do you define a good person?

Good people are the ones who are kind hearted and helpful for everyone, anywhere, anytime. They cares about others more then themselves. And not only their close ones define them as a nice human being but others too.

ilynem:

Jehovah's witnesses aren't Christians. They are a cult.

The Muslims are Christians then abi?

OtemAtum:
So true, Faulkin(Yeshua) has always been around since the time of the Neanderthal. He was the first born of all homos. According to the DOCTUFOS OF TRUTH, here is the account of his birth.

Hi brother,
Ummm.....with all due respect.
What? Huh?

CatfishBilly:
Ngo40? We're namesakes

Doc,
Wait a minute.....
Are you telling me that....

"Your" name is "my" name......and
"My" name is "your" name?

Wow....so we have something in common brother....
Yeah I changed my moniker to reflect the age I will be this month.....but I had put my name on some of my old posts.....
Special name we have....

sonofluc1fer:
Bennyann, come and believe in me. Leave that dead Jewish boy... Come and meet cute Igbo boy with African swag. You're too smart to be carrying cross like pikin.

Hmmmm

So you are an Igbo boy? I thought most atheists on nairaland are yorubas.

If you're cute please I need evidence ooo, I need it asap . If you're as cute as Lucifer then I don't want ooo

Don't forget you're an adopted son of Jesus Christ

adepeter26:



The Muslims are Christians then abi?

I never mentioned Muslims. My point is, when you mention Christian sects, keep Jehovah's witness out.

onyenze123:


Good people are the ones who are kind hearted and helpful for everyone, anywhere, anytime. They cares about others more then themselves. And not only their close ones define them as a nice human being but others too.

Funny. I would almost think you were quoting Jesus. But let's not dwell on that.
So are you saying you have an innate understanding of who is good and who is not? You can tell who is good and who is not?

Ngo40:


Hi brother,
Ummm.....with all due respect.
What? Huh?

I know. That guy confuses me too.

CatfishBilly:
Ngo40? We're namesakes

Doc, your name is Ngozi?? Isn't that feminine?

ilynem:

Funny. I would almost think you were quoting Jesus. But let's not dwell on that.
So are you saying you have an innate understanding of who is good and who is not? You can tell who is good and who is not?

You ask me to how do I define a good person and I answered you. So let's not dwell on "the Jesus quote"

Nobody has an innate ability/understanding of how is good/bad. I don't have that understanding. I use the method bolded in my last reply and from interactions.

onyenze123:


You ask me to how do I define a good person and I answered you. So let's not dwell on "the Jesus quote"

Nobody has an innate ability/understanding of how is good/bad. I don't have that understanding. I use the method bolded in my last reply and from interactions.

So are you saying there is no moral law? If you can tell that someone is good, then definitely it is either someone taught you how to differentiate good from bad or you have an innate understanding of what is good and what is evil. So which is it?

ilynem:

So are you saying there is no moral law? If you can tell that someone is good, then definitely it is either someone taught you how to differentiate good from bad or you have an innate understanding of what is good and what is evil. So which is it?

The moral code/law is do unto others as you want them to do unto you. What is innate is what I stated above.

for example. No one wants to be killed even animals. Therefore it is wrong to kill your fellow human being. It's an innate morality

As for knowing who is good or bad: I can't say if a person is good or bad until I have interacted and heard what people have to say about them (I am not a magician)

hopefulLandlord:


yeah, Analice107, Bennyann, MzLady39, Ngo40, ilynem

Hopefullandlord, biko stop crying hmm. God doesn't exist and those saying He does are only deluded.

dalaman:

You'll have to do that with some evidence na.

I have never met a stupidest person.

analice107:

I have never met a stupidest person.

Is that what they taught in church today?

ilynem:

Doc, your name is Ngozi?? Isn't that feminine?

It's a unisex name....or maybe you knew but were joking with him.
Imagine my shock when I found out many years ago....
I was like, "Daddy...out of all the daughters in the family, why did I have to be the one to get a boy's name?"
I struggled a little with that for awhile...lol.

onyenze123:


The moral code/law is do unto others as you want them to do unto you. What is innate is what I stated above.

for example. No one wants to be killed even animals. Therefore it is wrong to kill your fellow human being. It's an innate morality

As for knowing who is good or bad: I can't say if a person is good or bad until I have interacted and heard what people have to say about them (I am not a magician)

So if there is a moral law, is there a moral law giver?

Ngo40:


It's a unisex name....or maybe you knew but were joking with him.
Imagine my shock when I found out many years ago....
I was like, "Daddy...out of all the daughters in the family, why did I have to be the one to get a boy's name?"
I struggled a little with that for awhile...lol.

Well, I am not Igbo so I really didn't know that. Every Ngozi I have met is female. This is actually the first time I have heard of guy bearing Ngozi. Wow. Good to know its unisex though. We learn everyday.

ilynem:

So if there is a moral law, is there a moral law giver?

of course there is

dalaman:

Is that what they taught in church today?

Yes. I was taught to watch out for idiets who believe they are wise.

onyenze123:


of course there is

Who is this moral law giver?

ilynem:



Who is this moral law giver?

God

hopefulLandlord subtle as serpent, you can never erase the memory of God from your head, thats a fact, even if you happen forget i will remind you, even in your dream

Ayam coming after you, wait make i return from ehm..

Ngo40:


Hi brother,
Ummm.....with all due respect.
What? Huh?

The doctufos of truth is what I quoted from. You may wanna see it too. https://www.nairaland.com/2938907/

hopefulLandlord:
okay you said you're not here to debate so I'll cut through he chase

looking at the thread h t t p://www.nairaland.com/3615455/does-new-covenant-abolish-ten/10 where Ngo40 you, MuttleyLaff, Splinz, Blueagent, Openmine etc had a "little" disagreement that even descended to name calling amongst you guys, I have to wonder what that relationship truly mean? I mean both of you seems to claim the same relationship but can't agree on what this entity you have relationship with wants

hopefulLandlord:
Onyenze123, check out this thread w w w.nairaland.com/3615455/does-new-covenant-abolish-ten/10 and see how our "Christians" who have deep personal relationship with the same dead Jew can't even agree if the the old covenant has been abolished or not, not only did they disagree, they insulted themselves very badly with the aid of the Holy spirit of course

NPComplete:
Guy u no nice at all.
I just read that page of the thread and laughed so hard.
Then I flipped to the next page and saw a post by CatfishBilly about convening another Council of Nicaea. I laughed so hard I almost peed.
What a way to start a morning

hopefulLandlord:
bros, Na comedy gold

imagine the below post

Splinz:
Oga, shove your hypocritical counsel up your arse!
Just like that fool that saw only my uncouth words, who calls himself MuttleyLaff, did you also saw only Splinz "hard words and abuses"?
While that blind bat called MuttleyLaff so much need me to stay relevant, kindly advice him to stop boring me with his ignorance riddled mentions.
It is for this obvious reasons that I've been ignoring his unintelligent and clownish tags.
Poor thing, he has been waiting for so long to have me dignified him with a response, and now I can imagine his joy.
And yes... As for that lunatic called openmine...
Anyway, I've already shown him where he belongs--mental asylum.
PS: I can easily differentiate between a learner and a scoffer who only seeks to shine the teeth.
The pitiable tactic adopted by these two clowns is to throw tantrum when confronted with superior arguments, believing when mockery is employed,
it somehow makes them look right, not knowing it only further portrays their follies. SMH

openmine:

hopefulLandlord:

That thread...
but for the grace of God

Suffice to say, having a relationship with God, doesnt inhibit anyone from calling a spade a spade

When you're on a thread like that sort, with 3-4 bigoted people
and especially 2-3 with the headstrong impulsiveness of youth, like we had on that thread,
it always was going to be only a matter of time,
before, you'll have to employ tough love and resort to giving as good as you get

Truths have thorns about them, and more the reason it needs holding delicately
if not held that way, frustration leads to wanting to give the purveyors of truth like us, a bloody nose

I tell off, and never draw first blood in any discourse
but will spend my last drop of blood defending self from ad hominems used by immatures and any other wayward bigoted group of reactionaries

The insolent behaviors displayed on that thread's aim
was to kill off any attempt to set the record straight for other readers to see the other side of the coin put forward in the original post

If nothing else, at least seed was put to soil on the thread and NPComplete, had the added bonus of near point completely entertained

''you must be very naive if you think posts are 100% meant for the mention quoted,
I submit give posts like this more for readers to see the level of asininity people in mention like you have''
- hopefulLandlord ©

bennyann:


Hmmmm

So you are an Igbo boy? I thought most atheists on nairaland are yorubas.

If you're cute please I need evidence ooo, I need it asap . If you're as cute as Lucifer then I don't want ooo

Don't forget you're an adopted son of Jesus Christ

No sis, they are mostly igbos, and from the catholic extracts.

MuttleyLaff,
Hi....
Be very careful calling folks "bigoted" because they believe differently than you.
I never called you that....so I expect the same in return...
I seriously question some of the folks in the Religious section who claim Christianity....because the FRUIT truly is not evident.
You let a "free-thinker" stir up strife....on a topic that has not been discussed for awhile now?
I hope neither of them comment or address this chaos.....i hope they ignore it.
And yes they were wrong for losing control at times throughout the thread but so were you....
Now be an "adult Christian" and let "sleeping dogs lie".....it's over and done with.
Remember...to display the Christ-like attitude of the Christ whose Word you are so fiercely supposed to be defending...
Thanks....

Ngo40:
MuttleyLaff,
Hi....
Be very careful calling folks "bigoted" because they believe differently than you.
I never called you that....so I expect the same in return...
Remember...to display the Christ-like attitude of Christ that you are so fiercely supposed to be defending...
Thanks....

You have come again
The simple fact is, if you think the "bigoted" cap fits, wear it.
Offense is taken, not given
and for you trying to take offense is wanting to give offense
I love you too still nonetheless