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Re: Urhobo Not Part Of Biafra, Says Umukoro, UPU Press Secretary by hammer6: 2:10pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
fratermathy: See Joe! U and who dey do jump around inside creek? Igbos have never done nothing to its neighbors, in all our history of living side by side before Nigeria came and discovered us. See Urhobo, see Igbo. Side by side, since time immemorial. |
Re: Urhobo Not Part Of Biafra, Says Umukoro, UPU Press Secretary by kjhova(m): 2:23pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
manikspears: You must disabuse your mind of modern day terminologies like south-south etc in understanding Nigeria of the 1960s. What you call south-south today include Edo and Delta states which weren't part of the Eastern Region that seceded as Biafra in 1967. The map in your wikipedia link only shows Biafra covering up to the modern Bayelsa state. Even then, the creation of 12 states by the Gowon government at the start of the war quickly exposed fissures between the "ala Igbo" Biafrans and the other ethnic groups. The earliest set of supposed saboteurs that were tried and shot at the stakes by the Biafran authorities were minority ethnic people. |
Re: Urhobo Not Part Of Biafra, Says Umukoro, UPU Press Secretary by hammer6: 2:37pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
kjhova: Forget about the 1960s regional set up. Before that, they were erroneously added to the western region. Urhobo voted predominantly to be removed from western region. That was wen they created a sub-region called mid-west. Even that is wrong. The appropriate regional designation is SS. It was an Igbo man that put that terminology together for them. SS, is a distinct region from both the SW and SE. However, u must acknowledge that Igbos or Igboid are part of the SS region. Igbo or Igboid were even erroneously part of the Western region and the subsequent mid-western region. |
Re: Urhobo Not Part Of Biafra, Says Umukoro, UPU Press Secretary by fratermathy(m): 2:39pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
Malawian: None that I know of. |
Re: Urhobo Not Part Of Biafra, Says Umukoro, UPU Press Secretary by manikspears: 2:39pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
kjhova: Bro if you read my earlier chat with the initial person ,you will find out that you and I are saying the same.the south south was named after the Biafra event.read the link it mentioned the mothern day south south as "used to be part of Biafra ".historically after the biafran war the south south chased the igbos out of there land. If you are interested you can read the conversation from the start. |
Re: Urhobo Not Part Of Biafra, Says Umukoro, UPU Press Secretary by hammer6: 2:43pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
manikspears: The SS is much closely related to the SE. That is the region that covers their entire expanse from one end to the other. From Edo to Cross River, Kogi to Benue/Taraba. Yoruba minority groups are in Benin and Togo alongside Yoruba speakers. The Yoruba in Nigeria, would like to forget about. |
Re: Urhobo Not Part Of Biafra, Says Umukoro, UPU Press Secretary by Nobody: 2:45pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
gGGODDd: Shatap no one like Urhobos You guys are the militants and croooks in the delta Leave story and cry cry cry I like what he said he likes itsekiris why e pain una Me sef I actually dislike Urhobos .. And forever you will be a minority to be absurbed in the new Yoruba nation to come Hahahahahahahahahahahaahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha At least you guys can serve as entertainers and comedians Lazy group of crooks 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Urhobo Not Part Of Biafra, Says Umukoro, UPU Press Secretary by kjhova(m): 2:47pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
hammer6: Your points are valid but what you miss is that you cannot build the future by disregarding the past. It will therefore be a mortal error to ignore the 1960s. This said, also bare in mind that the colonial provinces and regions were not designed by the British as ethnic enclaves but rather for colonial administrative convenience. There was no referendum in which Urhobos voted to leave the Western Region as you wrongly claimed, unless you will show us evidence of this. The Balewa government took the political decision to carve out the Midwest from the West as it suited their pursuit of weakening Awolowo and the Action Group party. It was not out of care for any minority group. So while you guys carry on with the interesting arguments about the future of Nigeria and her ethnicities, I will continue to provide the proper historical anecdotes to guide you all. 2 Likes |
Re: Urhobo Not Part Of Biafra, Says Umukoro, UPU Press Secretary by hammer6: 2:52pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
kjhova: Funny enough i have the evidence right here but cannot be bothered to retrieve it. How can a people forget their fellow yoruba speaker becos of border? Even if u forget the minorities such a Dahomey and Ewe, u are not suppose to forget ur fellow Yoruba speakers. haba! |
Re: Urhobo Not Part Of Biafra, Says Umukoro, UPU Press Secretary by kjhova(m): 3:03pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
manikspears: I have read a few of your comments and I am still clarifying your errors. Don't pin all of your argument on wikipedia as it is not a scholarly project but rather a gathering of opinions just like NL. Modern day "south-south" include Edo and Delta states which were never part of the Eastern Region, not to even mention Biafra. Biafra did invade these areas in the early period of the war and occupied it for a few weeks before they were beaten back by the Nigerian Army. Before Ojukwu's declaration, there had never been a country, territory or kingdom named Biafra or any resembling name of such type. Ojukwu and the Eastern Assembly only ascribed that name to their newly declared country just like Benin Republic took up their own name. The precolonial European visitors described various coasts and estuaries of the African continent as they deem. they named the Accra to Escravos sheet as the Bight of Benin and then on to Malabo as the Bight of Biafra. Both bights were also arbitrarily included in the gulf of guinea which is the stretch of coastal lands from the Gambia river all the way to the Congo delta! So just as the Dahomey dominated newly independent francophone country chose to adopt Benin as their name from the bight of Benin, so Ojukwu did by adopting Biafra from the bight of Biafra. So yes, the modern day south-south is situated in this historical context and no, none of its territory had ever been part of a precolonial Igbo consciousness. These are historical facts and should not be countered by wishes. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Urhobo Not Part Of Biafra, Says Umukoro, UPU Press Secretary by Malawian(m): 3:04pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
fratermathy:so, if IPOB says that Cameroon is part of BIAFRA, all cameroonians will start jumping up and down like you are doing? |
Re: Urhobo Not Part Of Biafra, Says Umukoro, UPU Press Secretary by Nobody: 3:04pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
bantudra: Shatap you and that uchihaitaci Igbo are the same ... .lazy militant crooks and drug dealers I know that most niger delta people say urhobo are bad and me hate then too cos they all Igbo Abeg another niger delta people here tell us how urhobo are Besides una dey use vex talk matter for here wey pass una .you hate urhobo you hate igbo .me hate all of una oya divide the country sharply because me no wan dey with urhobo or Igbo Rubbish people |
Re: Urhobo Not Part Of Biafra, Says Umukoro, UPU Press Secretary by Kirigidi(m): 3:08pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
Mbediogu:You should be ashamed of your slave Igbo tribe first for loosing political relevance in Nigeria! A whole 3rd largest ethnic group in Nigeria has been reduced to minority status and they have no idea of how to rescue themselves from such pitiable situation. What a shame! Igbo is such a disorganized tribe. They have been agitating for Biafra and we Nger Deltans told them go to your Biafra alone they said no! Can't you Igbos stand on your own? Must you attach yourselves to us? Is it not even a shame on you to be attaching yourselves to minorities as if you are babies? The other day, Arewa youths told you vacate the North to your Igboland and start your Biafra country but you Igbos were afraid and started visiting Northern leaders to beg. Without shame, you were insisting Northerners should organise referendum for you first! How? Are they your fathers? Are Northerners your lords and masters that you have to get their approval before leaving? What a slave mentality! Are you both [Ndigbo and Arewa] not suppose to be equal stakeholders in the Nigerian Project? Are you not ashamed waiting for your fellow citizens [Arewa] whom you often tagged illiterates to give you approval before establishing your own country? Cowards! The only thing you know is to chest-beat making noise up and down shouting Biafra without action! You think freedom is given on platter of gold, you day-dreamers? 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Urhobo Not Part Of Biafra, Says Umukoro, UPU Press Secretary by kjhova(m): 3:08pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
hammer6: I will have been happy to see this evidence of yours. Had you bordered to retrieve it, I assure you that you would have eagerly trashed it after we had passed it through rigorous historical factual test. Now you mention Yoruba. I am not sure what to say to that as I believe that this discuss is about Biafra and the Urhobo declaration. Yorubas have their very many issues and I believe that when any of these is brought here for honest discussion, we all can chip in our bit as we are doing on this topic. 1 Like |
Re: Urhobo Not Part Of Biafra, Says Umukoro, UPU Press Secretary by Nobody: 3:11pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
gGGODDd: If una get the best pidgin where do Edo pidgin start from na ? You guys are a tiny minority while Benin is the oldest kingdom in Africa You dey here dey brag . Mschewwwwww 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Urhobo Not Part Of Biafra, Says Umukoro, UPU Press Secretary by IyfeNamikaze(m): 3:36pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
laudate:. stop peddling false info here who are this "many people" that were jailed and executed? when tinubu was facing challenges with the Fulani Mafia, didn't you see FFK and Fayose and every other Yoruba who has been against Tinubu and his APC all rally behind him to show support despite not buying into his ideologies? these are people who have been insulting each other rallying around Tinubu just because he is Yoruba. but you who claim to be igbo would rather throw your own people under the bus just to please the people whose only understanding of the term one Nigeria is unrestricted access to oil and power. smh. and where did you see the ipob threatening and insulting people? is it the ipob that are threatening the Igbos with war and bloodshed? is it the ipob that gave the Igbos in the North a quit notice? or is it the ipob that label all the Igbos Igbos, OSU and Igbos? when NK was addressing some Northerners during one of his many court appearance did you see him insult them? it doesn't matter if you agree to what I am saying or not, fact is fact. I really laugh at you people sha... I really do. you can keep talking bad about the ipob people all to the delight of those people, but when the chips are down everyone will answer his/her Papa name. You can ask the Azikiwes, the Ironsis the saro wiwas how far. I'm not ipob but I never talk ill of them because they're Igbos. I mind you, at least more than 90%of Igbos want to go there way. 1 Like |
Re: Urhobo Not Part Of Biafra, Says Umukoro, UPU Press Secretary by bantudra: 3:46pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
Malawian: and we dont want you to even know the road to urhoboland sef... get lost!!!!.. i am not that nice like fratermathy... you will have to deal with urhobos like me too in your useless biafra,not only fratermathy...!!.. |
Re: Urhobo Not Part Of Biafra, Says Umukoro, UPU Press Secretary by gartamanta: 3:47pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
osigiepurr: You are weeping for me? You that Lugard named after a common River is weeping foe me? The country you are claiming as your own was created a British man. The name you are answering was created by a British woman. You using the product of people not even indigenous to Africa and you are crying for me? All you know is that you were born a Nigerian and thats all that matters. Zik lobbied to be part of the Southern protectorate? Are you sure you finished secondary school? Zik that was just 10 years old when Lugard created Nigeria in 1914? Chei! |
Re: Urhobo Not Part Of Biafra, Says Umukoro, UPU Press Secretary by bantudra: 3:49pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
gartamanta: luggard is a dead cvck svcker...!!!...can we move on as nigerians now or not??.... |
Re: Urhobo Not Part Of Biafra, Says Umukoro, UPU Press Secretary by bantudra: 3:52pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
what is this luggard blabla all about sef?...luggard is dead and buried....bye bye..... we want to make troubles for ourselfs because of a dead cvck svcker |
Re: Urhobo Not Part Of Biafra, Says Umukoro, UPU Press Secretary by manikspears: 3:54pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
kjhova: Oga calm down,I understand what you refer to as my error, but I never said delta started Biafra with the south east even though at a point in time their land became Biafra.at least when you defeat a kingdom you mark your territory.and I didn't hear myself talking about how ojukwu and co came about Biafra? Maybe you should read it again this time after with cold water |
Re: Urhobo Not Part Of Biafra, Says Umukoro, UPU Press Secretary by laudate: 3:54pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
bantudra:Guy, take it easy, nah. He has not insulted you...yet . So why are you getting worked up? If he does not want to know the way to Urhobo land, it is his own loss, not so? |
Re: Urhobo Not Part Of Biafra, Says Umukoro, UPU Press Secretary by bantudra: 3:57pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
LiveByNight: park well,joor... now i understand why our urhobo women poisoned una.... |
Re: Urhobo Not Part Of Biafra, Says Umukoro, UPU Press Secretary by bantudra: 4:00pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
laudate: have you went through the ol thread......look the offensive things they write... did we ever begged them to like urhobos before?.... |
Re: Urhobo Not Part Of Biafra, Says Umukoro, UPU Press Secretary by bantudra: 4:11pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
LiveByNight: go and hug a tree...!!!!... |
Re: Urhobo Not Part Of Biafra, Says Umukoro, UPU Press Secretary by fratermathy(m): 4:16pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
gartamanta: The real question is whether the SS minorities have requested for any referendum? Or is it the Igbos that will ask for a referendum on their behalf? 1 Like |
Re: Urhobo Not Part Of Biafra, Says Umukoro, UPU Press Secretary by Malawian(m): 4:16pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
bantudra:who told you that you will be part of Biafra? |
Re: Urhobo Not Part Of Biafra, Says Umukoro, UPU Press Secretary by laudate: 4:18pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
IyfeNamikaze: Are you ok? Who is peddling lies? Please go back and read factual accounts of the civil war, and you would see people within the Biafran enclave, who opposed Biafran ideology or their commanders, being jailed or executed. They were labelled as saboteurs. It was a well-known fact. Do you want rewrite history or change it? As for FFK and Fayose supporting Tinubu, do you want to tell me that their support for the man was not seasonal? When FFK was still PDP spokesman, you want to lie, that you did not see him insulting Tinubu, not once but many times? Who let the cat out of the bag that APC was planning a joint Muslim/Muslim ticket? Wasn't it FFK, at that time? Even today, as I speak to you, has FFK & Fayose's support for Tinubu, not ended? Oga, it will take a long time for you to understand how the Yorubas play their politics without bitterness, in this present dispensation!! All the Yorubas in PDP during the last election, did you see any of them following Tinubu while it lasted? Did Bode George & Obanikoro not oppose him repeatedly? When it was over, how many decamped to the APC to join Tinubu? Even when Saraki's problems started, it was attributed to Tinubu, because they felt Saraki got the Senate presidency through the back door, and the Yoruba supporters of APC & Tinubu led by Gbajabiamila, were determined to fight him to a standstill, because he was not their candidate! So what are you saying? But in all their battles and encounters, there was some degree of mutual respect. Even when their media skirmishes were going on, emissaries were being sent to both sides, to clarify and explain their various positions, and try to broker peace. Compare this approach with the one used by IPOB that tries to denigrate, insult and attack all those who do not share their ideologies. I have lived in Lagos for many years, and know several of these SW people and seen how these things work. Another thing you and your IPOB members do is that you thrive on assumptions. And assumptions are the mother of all fvck ups. I have never told you that I am Igbo, yet you came out with your guns blazing ready to launch a full-scale attack, simply because I disagreed with your IPOBian views. Is this how your Biafran republic would run, once it is born? With no room for opposing views or dissent? As they say, morning shows the day, and from the little I can see - if the approach & attitude of your IPOB members do not kill your dream for a new republic, your intolerance for opposing views will certainly sound a death knell to its growth! End of story! Finally, I have seen IPOB insulting others. What do you think Radio Biafra has been doing? What was Nnamdi Kanu saying about Nigeria and other ethnic groups, before he was picked and sent to Kuje? Oh, you did not see the insults and hate speech he was peddling? What did he say about Igbo women? Ok, try and google it. The internet never forgets, even when people like you pretend not to remember.... Let me leave you with this; AmuDimpka: |
Re: Urhobo Not Part Of Biafra, Says Umukoro, UPU Press Secretary by bantudra: 4:19pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
Malawian: and who told you i want to be part of your useless biafra..??.. why adding me to your useless biafra map and when i say something you call me afonja?... do you realy think i will still not fight you even after calling me afonja?... |
Re: Urhobo Not Part Of Biafra, Says Umukoro, UPU Press Secretary by Mbediogu(m): 4:40pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
Kirigidi: Sorry for your tribe. I pity the Ijaws and Itshekiris that accommodated a tribe that should not exist in the first place, a tribe of thieves from Okotie Eboh to Ibori. If the Igbo lost relevance, did it go to the Usobo? You remain what are and will continue to be. Wait for Igbo re-strategization. We will join the north and take all your oil. 2 Likes |
Re: Urhobo Not Part Of Biafra, Says Umukoro, UPU Press Secretary by ezigr8(m): 4:53pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
urhobo! ovuovo! urhobo mena ovuovo! we the urhobo people are known for bin smart, brave and fearless this the igbo's ipob know. we have spoken so if they desire their biafra they should go and get it but it should be noted by kanu and his followers that we are not part of his plan. 2 Likes |
Re: Urhobo Not Part Of Biafra, Says Umukoro, UPU Press Secretary by Ikology(m): 5:22pm On Jul 02, 2017 |
fratermathy: I don't engage in back and forth supremacy battles. You can check my posts. I am not an advocate of secession, I believe there is a clear distinction between IPOB and IGBO. IPOB from my perspective is being used to create chaos for political gains. Whoever thinks Ndi Igbo is pursuing the creation of another country need to be checked. That's why I found your proliferation of topics with Biafra very disturbing. Igbos are not interested in creating any country not to mention country with Urhobo. Stop disturbing your self nor our peace about biafra 1 Like |
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