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Nissan Primera P11-144 Not Starting by pragmatistm(m): 3:50am On Jul 08, 2017
My Nissan primera P11-144 is not starting for two days now.

The engine is SR20DE 2.0

The battery and kick starter are OK. We changed plugs and it keeps making starting/rolling noise but not starting.

The only thing is that few days before it finally stopped to start, when parked for long or overnight and started it, there was a tututu sound which went away as I raised it. And I observed about two weeks ago that the smoke coming from the exhaust was peppering the eyes but that had stopped.
Please help.

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Re: Nissan Primera P11-144 Not Starting by SmartchoicesNG: 3:52am On Jul 08, 2017
This is 4 A.M go for morning prayers.

Meanwhile have you checked for spark and fuel supply?
Re: Nissan Primera P11-144 Not Starting by pragmatistm(m): 3:56am On Jul 08, 2017
SmartchoicesNG:
This is 4 A.M go for morning prayers.

Meanwhile have you checked for spark and fuel supply?
Yes we did that. Fuel supply OKand the spark OK.
Re: Nissan Primera P11-144 Not Starting by GAZZUZZ(m): 6:05am On Jul 08, 2017

* spark
* fuel supply
* compression
* air supply
* all in the right order (timing)

What is missing?

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Re: Nissan Primera P11-144 Not Starting by honmusa(m): 6:50am On Jul 08, 2017
pragmatistm:
My Nissan primera P11-144 is not starting for two days now. The battery and kick starter are OK. We changed plugs and it keeps making starting/rolling noise but not starting. Please help.
Check timing!!!Especially if your engine is QG18de ,that engine suffers stretch timing chain after some considerable mileage.Did your engine exhibit rattle noice previously to this issue??
Re: Nissan Primera P11-144 Not Starting by SmartchoicesNG: 7:19am On Jul 08, 2017
honmusa:

Check timing!!!Especially if your engine is QG18de ,that engine suffers stretch timing chain after some considerable mileage.Did your engine exhibit rattle noice previously to this issue??
You're becoming more and more impressive by the day.
Re: Nissan Primera P11-144 Not Starting by nurey(m): 7:24am On Jul 08, 2017
I would not bother checking timing, fuel pump, injectors, brain box or spark plug, your first point of call should be those two stupid crankshaft and camshaft sensor check their wires well well, test for continuity while rolling, those plastic metallic thing can frustrate your life.

It's one of the reason I stayed clear of Nissan cheesy

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Re: Nissan Primera P11-144 Not Starting by SmartchoicesNG: 7:36am On Jul 08, 2017
nurey:
I would not bother checking timing, fuel pump, injectors, brain box or spark plug, your first point of call should be those two stupid crankshaft and camshaft sensor check their wires well well, test for continuity while rolling, those plastic metallic thing can frustrate your life.

It's one of the reason I stayed clear of Nissan cheesy
I could have sworn you have an xterra
Re: Nissan Primera P11-144 Not Starting by pragmatistm(m): 1:00pm On Jul 08, 2017
honmusa:

Check timing!!!Especially if your engine is QG18de ,that engine suffers stretch timing chain after some considerable mileage.Did your engine exhibit rattle noice previously to this issue??
The engine is SR20DE 2.0

There was no rattle noise. The only thing is that few days before it finally stopped to start, when parked for long or overnight and started it, there was a tututu sound which went away as I raised it.
Re: Nissan Primera P11-144 Not Starting by pragmatistm(m): 1:02pm On Jul 08, 2017
nurey:
I would not bother checking timing, fuel pump, injectors, brain box or spark plug, your first point of call should be those two stupid crankshaft and camshaft sensor check their wires well well, test for continuity while rolling, those plastic metallic thing can frustrate your life.

It's one of the reason I stayed clear of Nissan cheesy
Good insight my brother. I and the mechanic have suspected it must be some sensors also.

Please where are those sensors located on the engine?
Re: Nissan Primera P11-144 Not Starting by pragmatistm(m): 1:05pm On Jul 08, 2017
GAZZUZZ:

* spark
* fuel supply
* compression
* air supply
* all in the right order (timing)

What is missing?
I don't know of air supply but every other thing in list is in good condition.
Re: Nissan Primera P11-144 Not Starting by Nobody: 1:06pm On Jul 08, 2017
nurey:
your first point of call should be those two stupid crankshaft and camshaft sensor check their wires well well, test for continuity while rolling, those plastic metallic thing can frustrate your life.
Trust me, the OP's engine, which is SR20DE does not suffer from these disabilities .As a matter of fact the cam sensor is not the conventional type but a disc integrated into the distributor assembly. Yes, the OP could check his timing if he has troubled things in that area.
Re: Nissan Primera P11-144 Not Starting by pragmatistm(m): 1:14pm On Jul 08, 2017
Costee:

Trust me, the OP's engine, which is SR20DE does not suffer from these disabilities .As a matter of fact the cam sensor is not the conventional type but a disc integrated into the distributor assembly. Yes, the OP could check his timing if he has troubled things in that area.
Oga costee, please any insight.

I didn't do any recent work on the engine. The last work was servicing and that was about six months now. So I didn't trouble anything.
Re: Nissan Primera P11-144 Not Starting by ZIMDRILL(m): 1:15pm On Jul 08, 2017
pragmatistm:
My Nissan primera P11-144 is not starting for two days now. The battery and kick starter are OK. We changed plugs and it keeps making starting/rolling noise but not starting.

The only thing is that few days before it finally stopped to start, when parked for long or overnight and started it, there was a tututu sound which went away as I raised it. And I observed about two weeks ago that the smoke coming from the exhaust was peppering the eyes but that had stopped.
Please help.

nissan almera and primera uk models are notorious for not starting and throwing a cam shaft sensor error, which most of the time wont be fault the problem would be stretched timing chain

hook yours to a diagnostic machine and see what comes up
Re: Nissan Primera P11-144 Not Starting by Nobody: 3:02pm On Jul 08, 2017
pragmatistm:
Oga costee, please any insight.

I didn't do any recent work on the engine. The last work was servicing and that was about six months now. So I didn't trouble anything.
Since you don't seem to be talking about any codes, I'd settle for the ignition coil, i.e., the distributor assembly sans the distributor cap and rotor head.
Re: Nissan Primera P11-144 Not Starting by GAZZUZZ(m): 5:35pm On Jul 08, 2017
pragmatistm:
The engine is SR20DE 2.0

There was no rattle noise. The only thing is that few days before it finally stopped to start, when parked for long or overnight and started it, there was a tututu sound which went away as I raised it.

possibly build up of carbon in valve area. Loss of compression. Re-check compression

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Re: Nissan Primera P11-144 Not Starting by pragmatistm(m): 6:21pm On Jul 08, 2017
GAZZUZZ:


possibly build up of carbon in valve area. Loss of compression. Re-check compression
Thanks. I will ask the mechanic to check that on Monday. How can we check for the compression actually? Or how will I tell the"Kazeem" mechanic about that for him to understand?
Re: Nissan Primera P11-144 Not Starting by pragmatistm(m): 6:23pm On Jul 08, 2017
Costee:

Since you don't seem to be talking about any codes, I'd settle for the ignition coil, i.e., the distributor assembly sans the distributor cap and rotor head.
Thanks sir. But what is the ignition coil?
We will check that area also.
Re: Nissan Primera P11-144 Not Starting by nurey(m): 6:50pm On Jul 08, 2017
pragmatistm:
Thanks sir. But what is the ignition coil?
We will check that area also.

Since the engine you using design is different from the others, I guess the cam and crank sensor is OK.

The ignition coil is that long tube you plug after screwing the spark plugs. Since you didn't notice misfire, hard starting and the engine wasn't opened, I guess you can rule out timing, also if you noticed metal shavings while change oil, your timing chain has stretched.

I hope you have checked all fuses. I would also go with the compression stuff, since it would rule out a lot of possibilities.
Re: Nissan Primera P11-144 Not Starting by GAZZUZZ(m): 7:09pm On Jul 08, 2017
nurey:


Since the engine you using design is different from the others, I guess the cam and crank sensor is OK.

The ignition coil is that long tube you plug after screwing the spark plugs. Since you didn't notice misfire, hard starting and the engine wasn't opened, I guess you can rule out timing, also i[b]f you noticed metal shavings while change oil, your timing chain has stretched. [/b]

I hope you have checked all fuses. I would also go with the compression stuff, since it would rule out a lot of possibilities.

with all due respect sir, not very true sir.
Re: Nissan Primera P11-144 Not Starting by pragmatistm(m): 7:15pm On Jul 08, 2017
nurey:


Since the engine you using design is different from the others, I guess the cam and crank sensor is OK.

The ignition coil is that long tube you plug after screwing the spark plugs. Since you didn't notice misfire, hard starting and the engine wasn't opened, I guess you can rule out timing, also if you noticed metal shavings while change oil, your timing chain has stretched.

I hope you have checked all fuses. I would also go with the compression stuff, since it would rule out a lot of possibilities.
Thanks for the insight sir.
Re: Nissan Primera P11-144 Not Starting by nurey(m): 7:30pm On Jul 08, 2017
GAZZUZZ:


with all due respect sir, not very true sir.

With all due respect sir, it's one of the symptoms sir grin, not the only symptoms
Re: Nissan Primera P11-144 Not Starting by GAZZUZZ(m): 8:13pm On Jul 08, 2017
nurey:


With all due respect sir, it's one of the symptoms sir grin, not the only symptoms

chain on gear, nothing chips. It's long term wear you will not see a thing in the oil. Stop arguing
Re: Nissan Primera P11-144 Not Starting by nurey(m): 8:19pm On Jul 08, 2017
GAZZUZZ:


chain on gear, nothing chips. It's long term wear you will not see a thing in the oil. Stop arguing

Well it was one of the symptoms I research online then when I was driving my Nissan, I never experienced it anyway, just saying.

Yes sir I will stop arguing with you.
Re: Nissan Primera P11-144 Not Starting by timifakay(m): 8:34pm On Jul 08, 2017
Looking through your profile, I see you had same problem sometime in 2014. How did you solve it back then?
You need a compression test kit for the compression test. It comprises of pressure guage and fitters for the engine, please carry out a scan as well.
Re: Nissan Primera P11-144 Not Starting by kingreign(m): 8:42pm On Jul 08, 2017
nurey:


Since the engine you using design is different from the others, I guess the cam and crank sensor is OK.

The ignition coil is that long tube you plug after screwing the spark plugs. Since you didn't notice misfire, hard starting and the engine wasn't opened, I guess you can rule out timing, also if you noticed metal shavings while change oil, your timing chain has stretched.

I hope you have checked all fuses. I would also go with the compression stuff, since it would rule out a lot of possibilities.
Na when metal bearings and crankshaft metals are starved of oil and engine keeps running you'd see those. But for chain and sprocket to produce metallic shavings? Nehi. Rather, chain may stretch, or snap or break the sprocket teeth.
Re: Nissan Primera P11-144 Not Starting by Nobody: 9:23pm On Jul 08, 2017
pragmatistm:
Thanks sir. But what is the ignition coil?
We will check that area also.
Right before your very eyes to the right-hand side of the engine block. The cap of the unit that takes four cables to the plugs. Oil can gradually find its way into the unit if the seal shielding it from the engine wears down. Oil in the coil simply incapacitates it. Your unit has two connectors. The larger one with six pins (#1-#6) is for the camshaft sensor and power transistor; and the smaller one with two pins (seven & eight) is for the ignition coil. If you have a good rewire the integrity of the unit can easily be determined by checking for continuity between the two pins for the ignition coil. Resistance can also be tested between terminal #5 in the power transistor harness connector and terminal #7 in the harness connector for the ignition coil. If negative results are returned for either or both that might just be your culprit.
Yes, a compression test should do no harm, hoping you could have immediate access to that at your location. The maximum required for any of the cylinders is 185 psi and a minimum of 156 psi, with a maximum of 14psi allowed for variation between cylinders.
Re: Nissan Primera P11-144 Not Starting by pragmatistm(m): 4:43am On Jul 09, 2017
Costee:

Right before your very eyes to the right-hand side of the engine block. The cap of the unit that takes four cables to the plugs. Oil can gradually find its way into the unit if the seal shielding it from the engine wears down. Oil in the coil simply incapacitates it. Your unit has two connectors. The larger one with six pins (#1-#6) is for the camshaft sensor and power transistor; and the smaller one with two pins (seven & eight) is for the ignition coil. If you have a good rewire the integrity of the unit can easily be determined by checking for continuity between the two pins for the ignition coil. Resistance can also be tested between terminal #5 in the power transistor harness connector and terminal #7 in the harness connector for the ignition coil. If negative results are returned for either or both that might just be your culprit.
Yes, a compression test should do no harm, hoping you could have immediate access to that at your location. The maximum required for any of the cylinders is 185 psi and a minimum of 156 psi, with a maximum of 14psi allowed for variation between cylinders.
Thanks sir. I seriouslysuspect the distributor cap because I have noticed much oil around that place.

But who does the compression test?
Re: Nissan Primera P11-144 Not Starting by pragmatistm(m): 4:55am On Jul 09, 2017
timifakay:
Looking through your profile, I see you had same problem sometime in 2014. How did you solve it back then?
You need a compression test kit for the compression test. It comprises of pressure guage and fitters for the engine, please carry out a scan as well.
Not exactly same problem. That of 2014 was caused by damaged flywheel that was replaced to solve the problem.

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Re: Nissan Primera P11-144 Not Starting by honmusa(m): 6:09am On Jul 09, 2017
pragmatistm:
Thanks sir. I seriouslysuspect the distributor cap because I have noticed much oil around that place.

But who does the compression test?
why suspecting distribution again when u have earlier stated that you have a spark.
For the compression test ,where are you located??
Re: Nissan Primera P11-144 Not Starting by Nobody: 9:13am On Jul 09, 2017
honmusa:

why suspecting distribution again when u have earlier stated that you have a spark.
For the compression test ,where are you located??
Fine query. Saw that too. But I discern some diffidence in the OP that makes me take his evidence with a pinch of salt.
Re: Nissan Primera P11-144 Not Starting by GAZZUZZ(m): 10:14am On Jul 09, 2017
Costee:

Fine query. Saw that too. But I discern some diffidence in the OP that makes me take his evidence with a pinch of salt.

sadly most posters do not understand the message we are trying to put across.

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