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Is The Rapture Before Or After The Great Tribulation? by adelee777: 4:19pm On Jul 30, 2017
Shalom to my christian brothers and sisters. Pls something has been bothering my heart for quite a while.
Before I became a christian, I was hearing stories about the rapture, the great tribulation, the antichrist etc. D prevailing version was, and still is, that of rapture removing christians before the great tribulation. But as I study the bible the more, I have seen that the great tribulation comes before the rapture. Now, I want to be sure I'm not missing something. Pls if there are bible passages that support a pretribulation rapture, pls let's discuss. I am here to learn. Also check Matthew 24, 1 Thess 2 and Rev 20.
Pls let's be matured in our discussion as children of His kingdom. May the Holy Spirit guide us in Jesus Name. And pls if you don't have any meaningful contribution, pls you don't need to be part of this discussion. Thanx.
Re: Is The Rapture Before Or After The Great Tribulation? by felixomor: 4:36pm On Jul 30, 2017
The tribulation comes first.

Read & Follow Matthew 24 to End

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Re: Is The Rapture Before Or After The Great Tribulation? by obataokenwa(m): 5:31pm On Jul 30, 2017
adelee777:
Shalom to my christian brothers and sisters. Pls something has been bothering my heart for quite a while.
Before I became a christian, I was hearing stories about the rapture, the great tribulation, the antichrist etc. D prevailing version was, and still is, that of rapture removing christians before the great tribulation. But as I study the bible the more, I have seen that the great tribulation comes before the rapture. Now, I want to be sure I'm not missing something. Pls if there are bible passages that support a pretribulation rapture, pls let's discuss. I am here to learn. Also check Matthew 24, 1 Thess 2 and Rev 20.
Pls let's be matured in our discussion as children of His kingdom. May the Holy Spirit guide us in Jesus Name. And pls if you don't have any meaningful contribution, pls you don't need to be part of this discussion. Thanx.
The Israelites don't believe in Christ as he's the Messiah cos their believe is that they will see him come down from heaven...

The rapture will sound and those of us that believe in Christ will be raptured... after that, the heaven will be shut and devil will rule for three and half years... the Israelites won't believe in his rule and will revolt and the Bible said they will deceive even the very elect and rarely will anyone survive that years of terror... the Antichrist will be incharge of all the world govt and you won't buy or sell except you carry their mark on your head which means automatically selling your souls to them.. after three and half years, Jesus will appear in the sky with the saints to gather the remnants of those that didn't collect the mark of 666 and they will be saved and reign with Jesus for one thousand years(milennial reign) on the earth... no more devil and death cos they will be chained till after that one thousand years after which... The Almighty God will appear for the Great white throne judgement where everyone even the angels will be judged... His appearance alone will tremble the whole earth and the mountains and oceans will even melt away and the whole earth will run for their safety but none will escape His judgement...

The scriptures are all their... but need to research on all to come up with a good reference...

Revelation 20:1-15 should help you while I get more.
Re: Is The Rapture Before Or After The Great Tribulation? by obataokenwa(m): 5:43pm On Jul 30, 2017
examples of things that will happen in the great tribulation cos the heaven is shut and there is no answers to prayer again cos devil is fully in charge...

Revelation 16:1-21
Re: Is The Rapture Before Or After The Great Tribulation? by obataokenwa(m): 6:04pm On Jul 30, 2017
felixomor:
The tribulation comes first.

Read & Follow Matthew 24 to End
What will happen before rapture takes place is sorrows and no solution to things anymore cos everything will fail... which will draw all men/nations closer to God as stated in Isaiah 2:1-4 and Micah 4:1-4...this is what will lead to the end as Jesus stated in Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

The times before the rapture see what will happen... Christians will be incharge of everything on earth cos those that serve Him genuinely will have solutions to all the world problems and everyone will be running to them for solutions and by then everyone will believe in their God and accept Him as the true God... that's when the gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all nations of the earth

The whole things and economy of the earth will fail and people will be desperate for solutions and that will lead them to Jesus cos only the saints will have the solution by then


let me give you instances Now...
1..some countries are building cars and trains that won't rely on fuel anymore. Naturally in nearby future, the crude oil will be useless...thats the beginning of sorrows as stated in Matthew 24.

2. Watch in medicine, new diseases are coming up almost every year without solution to them even recently gonohrea can't be treated anymore. sexual transmitted diseases are on the increase now... many men are not active anymore... fibroid and cancer is destroying women now and no solutions... that's the beginning of sorrows

3.. false prophets are on the increase deceiving many even legalising gay and lesbianism and preaching extreme messages of that if one sin as a Christian, he can still make heaven. that's where the Bible said the love for many shall wax cold and that's the beginning of sorrows.

4. many nations don't have solutions anymore to their economic problems like Spain, Greece, Italy. etc... their will come a time all will look for solution spiritually.

5.. the sea and Ocean is raging and flood all over the world cos every year the weather comes in a different form and no solution to the problems of natural disasters. this are all the beginning of sorrows...

6..Many nations are all building ICBMs to prepare for wars against one another as seen in North Korea and Iran... that's wars and rumours of wars as stated and all are the beginning of sorrows..


The main end is when all will destroy their war tools and look for solutions spiritually just to survive and feed...

Africa will have the solutions in the end times cos it's reserved to humble great nations that ignored God.

The main end is when the whole economy of the earth will be shut down and the solution will be found in churches which will spread the gospel and when people feel relaxed because God has helped them, the trumpet will sound and take some unawares as stated that He will come like a thief in the night.

The end is still far but ones death Now should be a concern cos where will you spend your eternity

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Re: Is The Rapture Before Or After The Great Tribulation? by jiggaz(m): 6:16pm On Jul 30, 2017
The Rapture comes first before the Great Tribulation. Matthew 24 is not talking about the Rapture but the Second Coming of Christ.

The Rapture is Jesus coming for His saints in the air, He didn't land on earth. The Second Coming is Jesus coming with His Saints to rescue Israel from the Anti Christ. His feet will land on the Mount Of Olives where the temple mount is located.

Matthew 24 is addressing the Jewish Remnants after the Rapture. The anti christ will deal with them for not taking the Mark.

We are the Body of Christ and He promised to deliver us from the wrath to come which is the Tribulation.

In the book of Revelation, the Rapture took place in Chapter 3 and after that, nothing is mentioned of the Church again and God focused on Israel in the tribulation.

The Saints of the Great Tribulation are the Israelites and the Gentile believers that received Christ after the Rapture. But they will pay with their blood cos the anti christ will be merciless with them.

Many people will be saved during the tribulation but it will be very hard for them. They became believers after the Rapture when they realised that what the believers have been telling them about the Rapture is true.

Apostle John recorded in the book of revelations of looking up to the throne of God and seeing multitudes from different nations of the world who came out of the great tribulation. They were killed for not taking the mark of the beast, but they made Heaven.

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Re: Is The Rapture Before Or After The Great Tribulation? by adelee777: 9:52pm On Jul 30, 2017
felixomor:
The tribulation comes first.

Read & Follow Matthew 24 to End

Thanx bro. Dat's wat I read in d bible too. But where did d popular belief dat rapture is first comes from?
Re: Is The Rapture Before Or After The Great Tribulation? by adelee777: 9:56pm On Jul 30, 2017
[quote author=obataokenwa post=58984144]The Israelites don't believe in Christ as he's the Messiah cos their believe is that they will see him come down from heaven...

The rapture will sound and those of us that believe in Christ will be raptured... after that, the heaven will be shut and devil will rule for three and half years... the Israelites won't believe in his rule and will revolt and the Bible said they will deceive even the very elect and rarely will anyone survive that years of terror... the Antichrist will be incharge of all the world govt and you won't buy or sell except you carry their mark on your head which means automatically selling your souls to them.. after three and half years, Jesus will appear in the sky with the saints to gather the remnants of those that didn't collect the mark of 666 and they will be saved and reign with Jesus for one thousand years(milennial reign) on the earth... no more devil and death cos they will be chained till after that one thousand years after which... The Almighty God will appear for the Great white throne judgement where everyone even the angels will be judged... His appearance alone will tremble the whole earth and the mountains and oceans will even melt away and the whole earth will run for their safety but none will escape His judgement...

The scriptures are all their... but need to research on all to come up with a good reference...

Revelation 20:1-15 should help you while I get more. [/quote
Thanx bro for your contribution. But Rev 20 shows dat tribulation comes first.
Re: Is The Rapture Before Or After The Great Tribulation? by obataokenwa(m): 10:26pm On Jul 30, 2017
[quote author=adelee777 post=58992008][/quote] It didn't show it will come first. The first tribulation is after which first rapture which the Jews won't participate. Read thoroughly pls
Re: Is The Rapture Before Or After The Great Tribulation? by shadeyinka(m): 10:30pm On Jul 30, 2017
adelee777:
Shalom to my christian brothers and sisters. Pls something has been bothering my heart for quite a while.
Before I became a christian, I was hearing stories about the rapture, the great tribulation, the antichrist etc. D prevailing version was, and still is, that of rapture removing christians before the great tribulation. But as I study the bible the more, I have seen that the great tribulation comes before the rapture. Now, I want to be sure I'm not missing something. Pls if there are bible passages that support a pretribulation rapture, pls let's discuss. I am here to learn. Also check Matthew 24, 1 Thess 2 and Rev 20.
Pls let's be matured in our discussion as children of His kingdom. May the Holy Spirit guide us in Jesus Name. And pls if you don't have any meaningful contribution, pls you don't need to be part of this discussion. Thanx.

All the three main ideas are correct.
1. Rapture before Tribulation
2. Rapture mid Tribulation
3. Rapture after Tribulation

Jesus says no one knows, not even Him, save the Father.
And Jesus says watch and pray, for you do not know when your Master, the Son of man will come


...like a thief in the night.
Re: Is The Rapture Before Or After The Great Tribulation? by adelee777: 6:55pm On Aug 03, 2017
[quote author=shadeyinka post=58993023]

All the three main ideas are correct.
1. Rapture before Tribulation
2. Rapture mid Tribulation
3. Rapture after Tribulation

Jesus says no one knows, not even Him, save the Father.
And Jesus says watch and pray, for you do not know when your Master, the Son of man will come


...like a thief in the night.[/quot

But apostle Paul in 2 Thess 2 while reacting to those sayin d day of the Lord had passed said dat day would not come until d man of lawlessness had been revealed. What's your take on dat?
Re: Is The Rapture Before Or After The Great Tribulation? by jonbellion(m): 8:12pm On Aug 03, 2017
There is no rapture
You have been filled bro
Wake up
Re: Is The Rapture Before Or After The Great Tribulation? by Nobody: 9:09pm On Aug 03, 2017
adelee777:
Shalom to my christian brothers and sisters. Pls something has been bothering my heart for quite a while.
Before I became a christian, I was hearing stories about the rapture, the great tribulation, the antichrist etc. D prevailing version was, and still is, that of rapture removing christians before the great tribulation. But as I study the bible the more, I have seen that the great tribulation comes before the rapture. Now, I want to be sure I'm not missing something. Pls if there are bible passages that support a pretribulation rapture, pls let's discuss. I am here to learn. Also check Matthew 24, 1 Thess 2 and Rev 20.
Pls let's be matured in our discussion as children of His kingdom. May the Holy Spirit guide us in Jesus Name. And pls if you don't have any meaningful contribution, pls you don't need to be part of this discussion. Thanx.

Now ask yourself this question, "how can rapture happen after the G. Tribulation?"

Albeit, here is an excerpt from Angelica's prepare to meet your God. (Angelica had an out-of-body encounter with the Lord and was shown great and mighty things according to Jeremian33:3)....


Rapture and Tribulation
We walked to a place with a giant screen, and I saw people in it. I could observe the whole world. Then suddenly I saw thousands of people disappearing. Pregnant women had their pregnancy disappear, and they looked like they had gone crazy screaming.
Children had disappeared from all over. Many people were running from here to there, screaming, "This can't be, this can't be! What's happening?"
I saw those who had known the Lord, but were left behind. (Matt 24:40-41) They were saying that Christ had come, the Rapture happened. They screamed and wanted to kill themselves, but they couldn't. The Lord told me, "Daughter, in those days, death will flee; Daughter, in those days the Holy Spirit will no longer be on Earth." (Revelations 9:6) There were accidents but I didn't see a single dead person: all of them were alive, although injured.
I observed enormous traffic with thousands of people. He told me, "Daughter, look, this is how everything will happen." I then saw people running from one place to another, shouting, "Christ came, Christ came!" They would plead, "Lord, forgive me, forgive me, take me with You!"
But sadly the Lord said, "It will be too late. The time to repent is now…Daughter, go tell humanity to seek Me, for during that time there will no longer be opportunity. (Isaiah 55:6) Daughter, it will be too late for all those that stay behind." When Jesus observed how people were left behind, He began to weep and said, "Daughter, I will go to Earth as it says in 1 Thes. 4: 16-17 : “For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God; and the dead in Christ shall rise first; Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air; and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
But not everyone will go with the Lord, only those who are doing His will (Matthew 7:21) and living a holy life. For the Lord told me, "Only those that are holy will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, (Hebrews 12:14) No one knows, neither the day nor the hour in which I will go for My holy people, not even the angels know it." (Matthew 24:36)
On the screen I saw people running around. Magazines and TV news said that “CHRIST HAD COME.” The screen closed, and Jesus finished by saying, "I will go for a holy people." This was all He showed me. After that, He brought me back here to Earth.

Or you can also read my post by taking a click on this link...

https://www.nairaland.com/3881225/prepare-meet-god-excerpt-rapture
Re: Is The Rapture Before Or After The Great Tribulation? by Nobody: 9:15pm On Aug 03, 2017
adelee777:
Shalom to my christian brothers and sisters. Pls something has been bothering my heart for quite a while.
Before I became a christian, I was hearing stories about the rapture, the great tribulation, the antichrist etc. D prevailing version was, and still is, that of rapture removing christians before the great tribulation. But as I study the bible the more, I have seen that the great tribulation comes before the rapture. Now, I want to be sure I'm not missing something. Pls if there are bible passages that support a pretribulation rapture, pls let's discuss. I am here to learn. Also check Matthew 24, 1 Thess 2 and Rev 20.
Pls let's be matured in our discussion as children of His kingdom. May the Holy Spirit guide us in Jesus Name. And pls if you don't have any meaningful contribution, pls you don't need to be part of this discussion. Thanx.

Wow, you just became a Christian? cheesy

I'm interested in reading your testimony of how you got converted and I'll be glad to be your Christian brother smiley tell me how you were. What religion/faith? Buddhist, muslim, pagan, 'atheist'

Welcome to the Christian family. Please share me your testimony... grin
Re: Is The Rapture Before Or After The Great Tribulation? by adelee777: 11:02pm On Aug 03, 2017
Angelica? Sorry, am I to believe all these stories or d bible? D very elect being nearly deceived and all dat? I want scriptural support, not some story I can't vouch for pls. Thanx.
Re: Is The Rapture Before Or After The Great Tribulation? by adelee777: 11:07pm On Aug 03, 2017
I've been a christian for many years. Only dat I didn't start as a christian. I am talkin abt bein a christian and not claiming christianity as a religion. Thanx.
Re: Is The Rapture Before Or After The Great Tribulation? by owoleola: 4:08pm On Aug 04, 2017
There will be a great tribulation in the world,the same kind that had never been and never will be(according to matthew 24),this tribulation will precede the rapture,but the elects have nothing to worry about because God will see to their salvation(matt 24:22).......this time is different from the reign of the antichrist(the worship of the beast,the 666 mark and so on),and no saint will be on earth this period,they would have all been caught up with christ(Rev 13vs8). Also to point out,the bible says "insomuch that,if it were possible,they shall deceive the very elect" mat 24:24b,and people are already assuming it would be possible
Re: Is The Rapture Before Or After The Great Tribulation? by owoleola: 4:12pm On Aug 04, 2017
adelee777:
I've been a christian for many years. Only dat I didn't start as a christian. I am talkin abt bein a christian and not claiming christianity as a religion. Thanx.
You sound genuine,i am happy for you,btw,i would like you to share your experience. Welcome to the family.
Re: Is The Rapture Before Or After The Great Tribulation? by adelee777: 5:14pm On Aug 04, 2017
D rapture is in dis order: d first resurrection of d saints and their being raptured, followed by d rapture of d saints dat r alive. Now, in Rev 20:4-5 d apostle John saw d souls of those dat were killed for witnessing abt Jesus, n who were killed for not worshiping d beast or taking his mark. He said they were part of d first resurrection. How come d first resurrection involved those dat were killed by d beast, if d beast did not appear before d rapture?
Re: Is The Rapture Before Or After The Great Tribulation? by owoleola: 5:41pm On Aug 04, 2017
adelee777:
D rapture is in dis order: d first resurrection of d saints and their being raptured, followed by d rapture of d saints dat r alive. Now, in Rev 20:4-5 d apostle John saw d souls of those dat were killed for witnessing abt Jesus, n who were killed for not worshiping d beast or taking his mark. He said they were part of d first resurrection. How come d first resurrection involved those dat were killed by d beast, if d beast did not appear before d rapture?
Okay,first of all that place you brought up as a reference does not say the beast had killed those saints,just an excerpt;''and i saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus,and for the word of God''........I know the concluding part of that verse may appear as if they had been saints who had witnessed the reign of the antichrist but in my opinion,i believe that these saints had not witnessed the reign of the antichrist.
Re: Is The Rapture Before Or After The Great Tribulation? by jiggaz(m): 6:40pm On Aug 04, 2017
adelee777:
D rapture is in dis order: d first resurrection of d saints and their being raptured, followed by d rapture of d saints dat r alive. Now, in Rev 20:4-5 d apostle John saw d souls of those dat were killed for witnessing abt Jesus, n who were killed for not worshiping d beast or taking his mark. He said they were part of d first resurrection. How come d first resurrection involved those dat were killed by d beast, if d beast did not appear before d rapture?
You confuse the Tribulation Saints with the Church. After the Rapture, many people will come to accept Christ cos their eyes were opened to the reality of the Rapture. These people are the Saints ( tribulation saints) that were beheaded for the witness of Christ.

Yes they were part of the First Resurrection. The First Resurrection comprises -

1) The Church ( comprising those Believers that put their faith in Christ from the Pentecost to the end of the Church Age a.k.a THE RAPTURE ) who received their Glorified Bodies at the Rapture.

2) The Old Testament Saints that will receive their Glorified Bodies at the Second Coming of Christ with His already Raptured Church Saints.

3) The Tribulation Saints ( Comprising of those that accepted Christ after the Rapture who were killed for rejecting the anti christ) They comprise of The Jews and The Nations of the World. They will also receive their Glorified Bodies at the Second Coming of Christ together with the Old Testament Saints.
So these are the First Resurrection.

Then the Second Resurrection takes place after 1000 years, at the end of the Millennium. Christ will now resurrect all those people that rejected Him that have died and are in Hell, comprising of those from the time of Cain to the end of the Age ( His Second Coming). All these people that died without Christ will be resurrected to be given a new body that is fit for the Lake of Fire. A body that fire will be burning, they will feel the pain but yet cannot die. Just like the Believers were given Glorified Body fit for Eternity in Heaven, the Unbelievers will be given a new body fit for Eternity in The Lake Of Fire.

This Resurrection is the Second Resurrection and its for the White Throne Judgement. It's only for Unbelievers.

Just like Heaven ( The New Jerusalem) will come down to the New Earth for Eternity, Hell ( Sheol) will be cast into the Lake of Fire for Eternity too.
Re: Is The Rapture Before Or After The Great Tribulation? by Ken4Christ: 11:33pm On Aug 04, 2017
adelee777:
Shalom to my christian brothers and sisters. Pls something has been bothering my heart for quite a while.
Before I became a christian, I was hearing stories about the rapture, the great tribulation, the antichrist etc. D prevailing version was, and still is, that of rapture removing christians before the great tribulation. But as I study the bible the more, I have seen that the great tribulation comes before the rapture. Now, I want to be sure I'm not missing something. Pls if there are bible passages that support a pretribulation rapture, pls let's discuss. I am here to learn. Also check Matthew 24, 1 Thess 2 and Rev 20.
Pls let's be matured in our discussion as children of His kingdom. May the Holy Spirit guide us in Jesus Name. And pls if you don't have any meaningful contribution, pls you don't need to be part of this discussion. Thanx.

I understand your confusion and I am willing to assist with the truth I know which a large percentage of the Church is yet to know.

First, the end time events Jesus talked about in Matthew 24 was concerning the Jewish nation and not the Church. God's plan for the Church made up of the Gentiles was not yet revealed then.

There are two future mass rapture. The rapture of the church and the rapture of the 144,000 Jews revealed in Revelation, Chapter Seven which our Lord Jesus frequently referred to as the elect.

There are also two future great tribulation period. The first is the great tribulation period those who are left behind after the Rapture of the Church will go through. This is the multitude John saw in Revelation 7:9.

The second tribulation period is that which the Jews will experience because of their refusal to worship the image set up by the anti Christ.

The present day faithful Saints will be raptured before the first great tribulation. Apostle Paul said until we are taken away, the son of perdition will not be revealed. Our presence alone will restrain him.

But the 144,000 Jews will be raptured in the midst of their great tribulation.

This is where the Church got confused. We see only one rapture but there are two. We see only one great tribulation, but there are two.
Re: Is The Rapture Before Or After The Great Tribulation? by sonofthunder: 4:43am On Aug 05, 2017
adelee777:
Shalom to my christian brothers and sisters. Pls something has been bothering my heart for quite a while.
Before I became a christian, I was hearing stories about the rapture, the great tribulation, the antichrist etc. D prevailing version was, and still is, that of rapture removing christians before the great tribulation. But as I study the bible the more, I have seen that the great tribulation comes before the rapture. Now, I want to be sure I'm not missing something. Pls if there are bible passages that support a pretribulation rapture, pls let's discuss. I am here to learn. Also check Matthew 24, 1 Thess 2 and Rev 20.
Pls let's be matured in our discussion as children of His kingdom. May the Holy Spirit guide us in Jesus Name. And pls if you don't have any meaningful contribution, pls you don't need to be part of this discussion. Thanx.
there would be to some extents and this is part of what will aid the Antichrist's rise but what would come after would be totally unprecedented...
Re: Is The Rapture Before Or After The Great Tribulation? by Nobody: 4:58am On Aug 05, 2017
obataokenwa:
What will happen before rapture takes place is sorrows and no solution to things anymore cos everything will fail... which will draw all men/nations closer to God as stated in Isaiah 2:1-4 and Micah 4:1-4...this is what will lead to the end as Jesus stated in Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

The times before the rapture see what will happen... Christians will be incharge of everything on earth cos those that serve Him genuinely will have solutions to all the world problems and everyone will be running to them for solutions and by then everyone will believe in their God and accept Him as the true God... that's when the gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all nations of the earth

The whole things and economy of the earth will fail and people will be desperate for solutions and that will lead them to Jesus cos only the saints will have the solution by then


let me give you instances Now...
1..some countries are building cars and trains that won't rely on fuel anymore. Naturally in nearby future, the crude oil will be useless...thats the beginning of sorrows as stated in Matthew 24.

2. Watch in medicine, new diseases are coming up almost every year without solution to them even recently gonohrea can't be treated anymore. sexual transmitted diseases are on the increase now... many men are not active anymore... fibroid and cancer is destroying women now and no solutions... that's the beginning of sorrows

3.. false prophets are on the increase deceiving many even legalising gay and lesbianism and preaching extreme messages of that if one sin as a Christian, he can still make heaven. that's where the Bible said the love for many shall wax cold and that's the beginning of sorrows.

4. many nations don't have solutions anymore to their economic problems like Spain, Greece, Italy. etc... their will come a time all will look for solution spiritually.

5.. the sea and Ocean is raging and flood all over the world cos every year the weather comes in a different form and no solution to the problems of natural disasters. this are all the beginning of sorrows...

6..Many nations are all building ICBMs to prepare for wars against one another as seen in North Korea and Iran... that's wars and rumours of wars as stated and all are the beginning of sorrows..


The main end is when all will destroy their war tools and look for solutions spiritually just to survive and feed...

Africa will have the solutions in the end times cos it's reserved to humble great nations that ignored God.

The main end is when the whole economy of the earth will be shut down and the solution will be found in churches which will spread the gospel and when people feel relaxed because God has helped them, the trumpet will sound and take some unawares as stated that He will come like a thief in the night.

The end is still far but ones death Now should be a concern cos where will you spend your eternity

Thank you and God bless you for the exposition. You nailed it. Our generation should be prepared for eternity because when you die you will meet eternity.

And if you say there is no heaven or hell, and for those who say there is no God , every day is getting you closer to finding out on or beyond.
Re: Is The Rapture Before Or After The Great Tribulation? by Nukilia: 5:12am On Aug 05, 2017
Opium of the masses!
Re: Is The Rapture Before Or After The Great Tribulation? by adelee777: 7:05am On Aug 05, 2017
owoleola:
Okay,first of all that place you brought up as a reference does not say the beast had killed those saints,just an excerpt;''I know the concluding part of that verse may appear as if they had been saints who had witnessed the reign of the antichrist but in my opinion,i believe that these saints had not witnessed the reign of the antichrist.

Although I understand dat it is hard to change a view one was brought up with, but your statement there is curious to say d least. Now let's read it:
''...and I saw souls of them dat were beheaded for d witness of Jesus, and for d word of God, and which had not worshipped d beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or on their hands...''
So, sir what part of dat scripture is not referring to d saints being killed by d antichrist? Or, how do you explain dat scripture?
Re: Is The Rapture Before Or After The Great Tribulation? by adelee777: 5:12am On Aug 07, 2017
[quote author=jiggaz post=59152676]You confuse the Tribulation Saints with the Church. After the Rapture, many people will come to accept Christ cos their eyes were opened to the reality of the Rapture. These people are the Saints ( tribulation saints) that were beheaded for the witness of Christ.

Yes they were part of the First Resurrection. The First Resurrection comprises -

1) The Church ( comprising those Believers that put their faith in Christ from the Pentecost to the end of the Church Age a.k.a THE RAPTURE ) who received their Glorified Bodies at the Rapture.

2) The Old Testament Saints that will receive their Glorified Bodies at the Second Coming of Christ with His already Raptured Church Saints.

3) The Tribulation Saints ( Comprising of those that accepted Christ after the Rapture who were killed for rejecting the anti christ) They comprise of The Jews and The Nations of the World. They will also receive their Glorified Bodies at the Second Coming of Christ together with the Old Testament Saints.
So these are the First Resurrection.

Then the Second Resurrection takes place after 1000 years, at the end of the Millennium. Christ will now resurrect all those people that rejected Him that have died and are in Hell, comprising of those from the time of Cain to the end of the Age ( His Second Coming). All these people that died without Christ will be resurrected to be given a new body that is fit for the Lake of Fire. A body that fire will be burning, they will feel the pain but yet cannot die. Just like the Believers were given Glorified Body fit for Eternity in Heaven, the Unbelievers will be given a new body fit for Eternity in The Lake Of Fire.

This Resurrection is the Second Resurrection and its for the White Throne Judgement. It's only for Unbelievers.

Just like Heaven ( The New Jerusalem) will come down to the New Earth for Eternity, Hell ( Sheol) will be cast into the Lake of Fire for Eternity too. [/q

Let me ask you a questn; which comes first, d resurrection and rapture of dead saints or rapture of d saints dat are alive at His coming?
Re: Is The Rapture Before Or After The Great Tribulation? by adelee777: 5:17am On Aug 07, 2017
[quote author=Ken4Christ post=59160765]

I understand your confusion and I am willing to assist with the truth I know which a large percentage of the Church is yet to know.

First, the end time events Jesus talked about in Matthew 24 was concerning the Jewish nation and not the Church. God's plan for the Church made up of the Gentiles was not yet revealed then.

There are two future mass rapture. The rapture of the church and the rapture of the 144,000 Jews revealed in Revelation, Chapter Seven which our Lord Jesus frequently referred to as the elect.

There are also two future great tribulation period. The first is the great tribulation period those who are left behind after the Rapture of the Church will go through. This is the multitude John saw in Revelation 7:9.

The second tribulation period is that which the Jews will experience because of their refusal to worship the image set up by the anti Christ.

The present day faithful Saints will be raptured before the first great tribulation. Apostle Paul said until we are taken away, the son of perdition will not be revealed. Our presence alone will restrain him.

But the 144,000 Jews will be raptured in the midst of their great tribulation.

This is where the Church got confused. We see only one rapture but there are two. We see only one great tribulation, but there are two. [/quote

Where did apostle Paul make dat statement? because dat is d complete opposite of what he said in 2 Thess 2.
Re: Is The Rapture Before Or After The Great Tribulation? by jiggaz(m): 6:41am On Aug 07, 2017
@ adelee777 The dead in Christ will rise first, then we who are alive and remain will join them to meet the Lord in the air... This is written in the book of Thessolonians.... But it's a one event that will happen in the twinkling of an eye.

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