Once i see a rapper spittin in vernacular, First thing dat comes 2 ma mind is WHACK!! but is it really so, I noticed there are some pidgin punches dat wont make as much sense in english, A good example is rugged's : "i rap pass pesin wey dey 4 giftshop", Ild love to see what tha nairaland heads think, 1.

jamez3d:

Once i see a rapper spittin in vernacular, First thing dat comes 2 ma mind is WHACK!! but is it really so, Ild love to see what tha nairaland heads think, 1.

NO IT IS NOT SO , THE ONLY WAY IT WOULD BE WACK TO U IS IF U DONT UNDERSTAND THE VERNACULAR LANGUAGE.

ITS LIKE SOMEONE COMING TO RAP IN PORTUGUESE, IF THE BEAT ISNT TIGHT , AUTOMATICALLY PEOPLE WHO DONT HEAR PORTUEGUESE WOULD THINK IT IS WACK U DIG?

I used to think so when junior & pretty were rapping.

Emphasis were pretty cool, trybesmen were awesome, ruggedman is on point.

It just depends on the lyrics, flow and delivery. Listen to suspekt, pherowshuz, k16

these guys are holding it down

rapjunkie u skipped Dagrin, deliberate?

@poster
nope nope,it makes one more real nd it also enables an emcee identify wit his environment datz y most south africans do it.
D bad example u cited wit dat good line 4rm ruggedman kinda smeared ya post datz y ofoka ignored it,when posting.i wuld hav ignore u too but No!i just hav 2 split ya brains to 2 nd kick knowledge in2 it.rugged was wordplaying rap wit (wrap).ofcourse u knw they wrap gifts in gift shops,dont u?dat was a v.good punch.okay now check this rugged's punches-
if terrorists na fine chics sef/dem still no fit blow me/,
ofcourse u knw dat both terrorists nd chics blows in their diff. ways.check this ruggedman's line again-
some/even wit bomb 4 dem body/dem still no fit blow up.these r wordplays dat wil entertain any indigenous hiphop lover,dat has no unbiased mind.i dnt understand yoruba but i luv dagrin rap nd i've bn jockin dat pon pon pon track.
Mr Poster,our problem as nigerians is dat most of us r ashamed of our roots nd dnt even want 2 get caught speaking our lingo instead we speak phoney nd there r some of us that r so used to rap delivered in queens english 4geting dat it can also be done in d nigerian way nd stil sounds fly.datz y people of these category label it wack.
Nobody is forced 2 rap in vernacular but atleast let majority of us rap in vernacular to let d world knw where we come from nd again using it excessively in a song could hinder us 4rm reaching a larger audience.theres nothin wrong in using pidgin cuz we got our errday naija slangs in it.datz y i wil always respect wat ruggedman,terry tha rapman nd others r delivering in rap.one

@aldon, Yeah i gat dat punchline, What am saying is if u translate it in english, it wont make as much sense again, Rugged played on d fact dat the pidgin english word 'pass' may mean 'better' and also 'more than(as in many more times)', So rugged said: "i rap pass(better) pesin wey de work 4 giftshop(a person that wraps a lot, As in many times). in english, It'l b like 'i rap better than a giftshop worker' {not d same meaning as d pidgin line} or 'i rap more times than a gift shop worker{still not d same meaning}, Its only the pidgin english line that combines both ideas, Hope u get me o!
@topic, So y'all wont criticise for spittin in vernacular, Or pidgin? If sb drops a verse on flow for rank wiv pidgin or writes a callout verse in pidgin u'l think its still as tight Then y dont we do it?

@aldon
i want those 10 mi songs u gave eldee. send em to punchlinee@gmail.com
i gat some coded unreleased shit to give u too privately . lemme knw when u sent so i can remove my email addy from this spam filled site .

jamez3d:

@aldon, Yeah i gat dat punchline, What am saying is if u translate it in english, it wont make as much sense again, Rugged played on d fact dat the pidgin english word 'pass' may mean 'better' and also 'more than(as in many more times)', So rugged said: "i rap pass(better) pesin wey de work 4 giftshop(a person that wraps a lot, As in many times). in english, It'l b like 'i rap better than a giftshop worker' {not d same meaning as d pidgin line} or 'i rap more times than a gift shop worker{still not d same meaning}, Its only the pidgin english line that combines both ideas, Hope u get me o!
@topic, So y'all wont criticise for spittin in vernacular, Or pidgin? If sb drops a verse on flow for rank wiv pidgin or writes a callout verse in pidgin u'l think its still as tight Then y dont we do it?

Inferiority complex.

rapjunkie:

I used to think so when junior & pretty were rapping.

Emphasis were pretty cool, trybesmen were awesome, ruggedman is on point.

It just depends on the lyrics, flow and delivery. Listen to suspekt, pherowshuz, k16

these guys are holding it down

Abeg which vernecular does pherowshuz rap in Is pidgin included hear?

Pherow a pidgin english rapper?i dnt thinks so,his rapping in english songs r more dan d pidgin ones

I love it when terry goes wit pidgin

Evn tho u chop 2 plates of beans,u cldnt mess with this

Evn sanchez,sounds good,
E be like say dem giv u fanta take go buy malt,its impossible in this 4 u to find fault

K n x virus too

Children dey play for sand,make u go ready for ur turn, dat na punchline na

Tho God made man frm sand,
No mean say na dust,all man must yan, see wordplay frm RdR na

nigga raw dey vex me wit im own

For sure,eldee da don,trybesmen baby, love em den

Ruggedman,i no lyk am since bt i lyk ehen

I lyk wen pidgin is used bt i no lyk when dem go dey wit language wey i no understand, please i wil da grin appeal to us in d south,tho i lyk d flow bt its so borin listenin cos i knw dey hear 1 tin,n i skuled in lag o

i heard pherowshuz rap in pidgin albeit a few lines but it sounded cool. cant remember what track.

i must admit, ive rocked dagrin's 'ghetto dream' and 'pon pon pon' even though i dont understand anything. his flow and delivery is top notch. the rhyming scheme is obvious to the ears.

these rappers will take naija far. . . not naija peeps rapping like they are from compton longbeach.

If MI released an album in america, they would laugh at him. if da grin released an album they would laud him. . . . . Thats the truth.

no it is not, it is creative,
it is nigerian gift to da world.

Pidgin is unique. You dont have to know Patua to listen to Jamaican music. Good music is good music everywhere you go.

How do u call it,gud music when u cant hear wot d artiste is sayn,so d beat n rhythm makes it gud?,i tire for NL ppl,patua is dope,any1 dat speaks english wld understand,same as pidgin english, rappin in a particular language lyk limits ur services,in benin,only few ppl knw da grin,
Pidgin is common in nigeria,i accept it,i dnt lyk it wen u use ur local language all tru,only satisfyin ur region

rapjunkie:



these rappers will take naija far. . . not naija peeps rapping like they are from compton longbeach.

If MI released an album in america, they would laugh at him. if da grin released an album they would laud him. . . . . Thats the truth.

rapjunkie in as much as i like to scold u online , i still think u spit sense some times ,
lol some rappers even rap as if they were from east coast lbc. dagrin next album in yankee would have more mouth than any rapper in 9ja . including the old heads.
if u put dagrin against an mi , yankee heads will choose dagrin cuzz of his level of knowledge and delivery . top notch!

ofokaofoki:

rapjunkie in as much as i like to scold u online , i still think u spit sense some times ,
lol some rappers even rap as if they were from east coast lbc. dagrin next album in yankee would have more mouth than any rapper in 9ja . including the old heads.
if u put dagrin against an mi , yankee heads will choose dagrin cuzz of his level of knowledge and delivery . top notch!

if i slap u. .as in maa gba eti e fun e, waa ma yagbe sara ni. . .

Americans are not daft pple. . .to every song there is an audience!!!

A nigerian rapper (make i no mention name b4 dem go do yab me ) song was played on a new york radio and his fone wont stop ringing. . .enuff accolades, props from real heads in yankee. ,

This same Nigerian rapper, cos of his skill was praised by DJ Premo in an interview on a new york radio station. . (he wasnt even there to witness. . .ask me and i wud tell u where to hear it)

DJ Premo sent beats to this same rapper for him to BLESS them with his lyrics. . .

See, if u r good, u r good. . .it doesnt matter in what language u do it. . .I hate when people advocate for pigeon rap or doing stufs in your mother tongue. . .i hate it. . .do it in wateva lnaguage u can speak and make it good. . .it will be accepted. . .trust me

So if MI enters yankee and he spits well, as in spits well enuf to impress d heads dere, sure they would love him coupled with the fact that d dude's delivery is classic!

So abeg, rapping in pigin does not translate to being wack and those who do d oyinbo rap sef, i fit vomit if listen to am. .

So abegi . . .oya mak euna do d usual. . .attack javalove

@java
U 4ck up o,for one place sha,abt dj premo sendin him beats,he downloaded dat 4rm d net,i believe,cos i saw a site,where i saw all classic premo beats

Hells no! It is not wack. You can still incorporate all the rap elements in pidgin

FACT is you can rap in pidgin or any other indigenous language and be either tight or wack. It all depends on the rapper's flow, delivery, rhymes, wordplay etc. I have heard some very tight pidgin raps e.g Na beans by Terry tha Rapman, Suspekts verse in IllBlisse's u go wound etc and some very wack pidgin raps too eg Pheroshuwz in correct (Now this cat is very tight and I rate him highly but that pidgin track was wack IMO).

javalove:


A nigerian rapper (make i no mention name b4 dem go do yab me  ) song was played on a new york radio and his fone wont stop ringing. . .enuff accolades, props from real heads in yankee. ,

This same Nigerian rapper, cos of his skill was praised by DJ Premo in an interview on a new york radio station. . (he wasnt even there to witness. . .ask me and i wud tell u where to hear it)

DJ Premo sent beats to this same rapper for him to BLESS them with his lyrics. . .

See, if u r good, u r good. . .it doesnt matter in what language u do it. . .I hate when people advocate for pigeon rap or doing stufs in your mother tongue. . .i hate it. . .do it in wateva lnaguage u can speak and make it good. . .it will be accepted. . .trust me

So if MI enters yankee and he spits well, as in spits well enuf to impress d heads dere, sure they would love him coupled with the fact that d dude's delivery is classic!

So abeg, rapping in pigin does not translate to being wack and those who do d oyinbo rap sef, i fit vomit if listen to am.  .

So abegi . . .oya mak euna do d usual. . .attack javalove

Why hasnt your 'nigerian rapper' released an album in yankee to take over the heads there?. . . . since dj premos fone wont stop ringing?

truth is, u cant sell ice to an eskimo . . . . . . . . . . . . . . why do u think nneka is doing so well globally?

@javalove from what i heard (on radio) "your rapper" was featured on funkmaster flex's radio prog on hot97 many years back. funkmaster gave "him" props! which is really cooooooooooool! "your rapper" is very very very very very tight but, (we both know)

by the way OP talking about pidgin flows man dropping pidgin flows doesn't make an artist wack it's the picture your painting and are u making sense? etc ur delivery and other skills too.

Mike Tyson no go fit take my punch line
Enemies no go fit restrict my shine (shyne) na

lol frijos

Rapjunkie here you go contradicting yourself. Previously according to you, we shouldnt listen to music unless we understand the message,  right??!! So I guess Nneka is an exception? I can assure you that not everybody who likes her or Asa FULLY UNDERSTANDS what they are saying,  even though they do sing in English sometimes. Lastly I beg to differ on the Patua thingy, if you have been around REAL carribbeans, i guarantee you wil struggle to understand them for real. Not even when they water that shit down,

shotster50:

Rapjunkie here you go contradicting yourself. Previously according to you, we shouldnt listen to music unless we understand the message,  right??!! So I guess Nneka is an exception? I can assure you that not everybody who likes her or Asa FULLY UNDERSTANDS what they are saying,  even though they do sing in English sometimes. Lastly I beg to differ on the Patua thingy, if you have been around REAL carribbeans, i guarantee you wil struggle to understand them for real. Not even when they water that poo down,

errr. . . . where did i say u shouldnt listen to music unless u understand the message? . . . . . .r u ok? 

@rapjunkie
Dem no born any 9ja rapper to go US to make mark or shake their rap audience,do u knw how many underground guys dat v nt made it,n got mad skills,u dey talk da grin,dat na bad market na,people no fit buy d album for benin,y we dnt understand,i cant start listening to beats n rhythm,rather,i'l chil wit sage has.son,i bought da grin cd since,i wan sell am,nobody wan buy,cos they dnt undastand d language,rap no be fuji or afrobeat o,u dey talk yankee

1st,d 9ja rapper cant be repping 9ja to v commercial success,he wld v to rep cities in yankee,like Atl,New york,major cities with gud rap audience

I remember when i 1st saw Wale in XXL around 2007,my friend told me,he wouldnt sell,cos he's reppin DC,and d boy no really sell.thats the thing,dats washington o,talkless of far away 9ja,in da grin's case,he wld be too complex,becos of his language,evn sunny ade was told to deliver in english then,he refused n was dropped frm island records

All those puerto ricans or latinos doin it in their language v their communities in US n they r neighbours,nt far away africa,lets be realistic

Rhymstein:

@rapjunkie
Dem no born any 9ja rapper to go US to make mark or shake their rap audience,do u knw how many underground guys dat v nt made it,n got mad skills,u dey talk da grin,dat na bad market na,people no fit buy d album for benin,y we dnt understand,i cant start listening to beats n rhythm,rather,i'l chil wit sage has.son,i bought da grin cd since,i wan sell am,nobody wan buy,cos they dnt undastand d language,rap no be fuji or afrobeat o,u dey talk yankee

1st,d 9ja rapper cant be repping 9ja to v commercial success,he wld v to rep cities in yankee,like Atl,New york,major cities with gud rap audience

I remember when i 1st saw Wale in XXL around 2007,my friend told me,he wouldnt sell,cos he's reppin DC,and d boy no really sell.thats the thing,dats washington o,talkless of far away 9ja,in da grin's case,he wld be too complex,becos of his language,evn sunny ade was told to deliver in english then,he refused n was dropped frm island records

All those puerto ricans or latinos doin it in their language v their communities in US n they r neighbours,nt far away africa,lets be realistic

chai! ryhmestien u remind me of albert!

This is a good topic. Although we think a lot of Nigerian rappers with their fake accents are the greatest, take them global and they will fall badly. At least lyrically. Anyone remember Papoose? Cannibus? Cassidy? These guys will murder any Nigerian Rapper on their so called punchlines, but even they can't get a deal, talk less of the MI's and CArtair's.

Rap is an opportunity for you to talk about yourself, where you come from, your trial and tribulations and maybe even some social commentary thrown in. All our rappers seem interested in, is who can outpunchline the other or who has the most money.

At least pidgin rappers and rappers like DaGrin offer something different. I believe like Junkie said that they will have a better chance of cracking the market, than the people that just copy the accent and try to make the words sound clever.

But in my opinion, the rapper that will burst through, is the one that raps well with a good flow, but talks about Nigeria. Punchline, similes everything.
something like, i flow faster than the niger river/pack more punch than barrow pushers (sorry i'm not a rapper, but you get my point)

even just day to day life in naija. something like that. Just my own say anyway.

@da blaze
Wch nigerian rapper no dey talk abt im country,his life,his experiences,n battles,v been thinkin,i cldnt find any,abeg,go listen to all nigerian rappers album,n tell me wch one wey no reflect were im come frm.

Dey dream for da grin there,he no fit break into southern n northern nigeria n u believe an average american kid wld buy or hail him,evn cypress hill n fat joe that r latinos rap wit english

Rhymstein:

@da blaze
Wch nigerian rapper no dey talk abt im country,his life,his experiences,n battles,v been thinkin,i cldnt find any,abeg,go listen to all nigerian rappers album,n tell me wch one wey no reflect were im come frm.

Dey dream for da grin there,he no fit break into southern n northern nigeria n u believe an average american kid wld buy or hail him,evn cypress hill n fat joe that r latinos rap wit english

Thanks for the reply Rhymstein. Please, give me the name of one of these albums let me go and listen. I personally do not know of any recent ones that are like that. Or better, recommend a couple of tracks. I'll promote them

Yes there is the language barrier for DaGrin. You have to be Yourba to appreciate it. But like i said, at least it's different. A lot of the rappers i hear these days (i will admit, i haven't listened to their full albums, just singles), all try to sound American and don't rap about Naija proper.

Junkie's mixtape was good though. I enjoyed a lot of those tracks.

@da blaze
Look these tracks,m.i's talk abt it,igho ft faze n mode9 getaway,terry da rapman, only 4 9ja,maga no need pay,fellow nigerians by mode9,lord jahza 'light up nigeria',, the ones i can think of now,they r lots of them dat are nt even directed at d government,some to their immediate environment n experiences

I dnt think ruggedman,pherowshuz,modenine,terry da rapman sound american or fake accent,when interviewed or when they rap in pidgin,d accent remains

overdose sound american bt sometimes uses hausa

@ Rhymstein. I know these tracks and i acknowlege that they are some rappers doing it. I don't like the IGHO one though. It almost sounds condescending.
I saw Mode9's interview, he doesn't fake when he's talking normally. It's only when he's rapping. Out of all of them, as per keeping it real, i will say Ruggedman is the realest. He raps exactly the way he talks and he dosen't try to fake an accent. Take him as you see him.
I like K16 as well, but i haven't heard him talking,so i don't know what he sounds like. Also like Oshamo/i know send you, Suspect dey try. He doesn't do any fake stuffs.

Anyway, to break through and appeal to the world, we still have to come with something different. Be it the beats or the flow and subject matter. Trying to sound like Yankee rappers won't get us anywhere. They have enough of those in Yankee already.

@da blaze
Mode's voice doesnt change,doesnt evn sound american,when an american reviewed his work,he said if nt for his french accent,he wld v sworn,it was an american release,becos of d flavor of hiphop he dished out,

He raps in english,v heard him pidgin too,sounds d same,i think rugged has d american accent a lil but its infinitesimal,cos he mixes it up wit pidgin

The way da grin raps in yoruba,is dat how u speak yoruba,n he fakes his accent too,d way he starts an intro of a song is nt in yoruba accent bt he raps wit it,

lord of ajasa doesnt fake accent,nigga raw,sanchez,