MostHated:
So I came across this piece. Looks strangely very true to me. What do you guys think?


A group of scientists placed 5 monkeys in a cage and placed in the middle, a ladder with bananas on the top.

Every time a monkey went up the ladder, the scientists soaked the rest of the monkeys with cold water, which they hated.

After a while, every time a monkey went up the ladder, the others beat up the one on the ladder so they wouldn't get soaked with water.

After some time, no monkey dared to go up the ladder regardless of the temptation for the fear of being beaten.

The Scientists then decided to substitute one of the monkeys and bring in a new monkey. The 1st thing this new monkey did was to go up the ladder to get the banana. Immediately the other monkeys beat him up.

After several beatings, the new member learned not to climb the ladder even though he never knew why.

A 2nd monkey from d original ones was substituted and a new monkey brought in. the same thing occurred. He climbed to get the banana. The 1st new monkey that was earlier beaten for trying to get the bananas, participated in the beating of the 2nd new monkey even though he didn't know why he was beating the new one. He did so because others were doing same.

A 3rd monkey was changed and the same was repeated (beating).

The 4th was substituted and the beating was repeated.

Finally, the 5th monkey was replaced.

What was left was a group of 5 monkeys that even though never received a cold shower, continued to beat up any monkey who attempted to climb the ladder.

If it was possible to ask the monkeys why they would beat up all those who attempted to go up the ladder ... I bet you the answer would be ... "I don't know — that's how things are done around here"

Does their actions sound familiar?


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https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/6828/was-the-experiment-with-five-monkeys-a-ladder-a-banana-and-a-water-spray-condu

hopefulLandlord:
^ Our British Surgeon strikes again

spacetacular:


That feeble attempt at understanding applied up there is applicable to anything and is even more so applicable to atheism as well wouldn't you agree?

hopefulLandlord:
^ Our British Surgeon strikes again

adepeter2027:

While she's he's the father of plagiarism. Copying articles without referencing.

hopefulLandlord:


I'm yet to meet an indoctrinated atheist but indoctrinated theists are everywhere, infact religion (especially the Abrahamic religions) endorses and mandates indoctrination
It is unintentional child abuse.
Parents are themselves indoctrinated and have been terrorized by the notion of eternal suffering if they do not believe. And parents love their children and want them to be "saved". So they rush to soak them with all these ideas that are not even fit for kids, to ensure that sticks with them all through adulthood. Instead of giving them the choice to explore and decide on their own.

TheSonOfJesus:


we should always indoctrinate our children with Christianity and not spare the rod in the process if the child is being strong headed, we should beat Christianity into them as The Holy Bible said the kingdom of God is violent and the violent take it by force, no Christian wants his/her child to end up like you, Hellbound and blasphemous

I shall watch from heaven while you roast forever and I'll laugh gleefully at your predicament, you and your offsprings unless they repent and accept my father as their Lord and personal saviour

hopefulLandlord:


I'm yet to meet an indoctrinated atheist but indoctrinated theists are everywhere, infact religion (especially the Abrahamic religions) endorses and mandates indoctrination
It is unintentional child abuse.
Parents are themselves indoctrinated and have been terrorized by the notion of eternal suffering if they do not believe. And parents love their children and want them to be "saved". So they rush to soak them with all these ideas that are not even fit for kids, to ensure that sticks with them all through adulthood. Instead of giving them the choice to explore and decide on their own.

spacetacular:



If I teach my kid how to properly scrub behind her ears while taking a bath and to always brush her teeth morning and night would you call that indoctrination?

If I teach my kid how to always be respectful to those older than she is would that be termed as indoctrination?

If I teach my kid the nobility in education and always being a positively exemplary person would that be termed as indoctrination?

If I teach my kid how to always be generous and help those in need even when she may not have e enough for herself would that be indoctrination?

If I teach my kid how not to cheat or finagle her way into relevance in the society would that be indoctrination?

If I teach my kid how to love and live to love rather than hate would that be termed as indoctrination?

Please can you tell me which of these listed above is CHILD ABUSE?

When did positive living and teaching positive living become Child Abuse? Do you even know what Child Abuse is?

spacetacular:



For someone who copied word for word from that website and only added the last sentence "Does their actions sound familiar?" Yet did not know that it should have been DO instead of DOES and it should also have been LOOK instead of SOUND since you are talking about actions and not words so it should have been DO THEIR ACTIONS LOOK FAMILIAR?

based on my written observation I could say that your conclusion was arrived at due to either illiteracy or an inability to comprehend issues based on a deliberate hatred for Religion.

Hate does blind one from reality of their own flaws such as I have pointed out here.

JackBizzle:

So you have turned to a grammar Nazi such that you don't even bother to address the point in someone's comments but rather judge the use of English?

spacetacular:



If I teach my kid how to properly scrub behind her ears while taking a bath and to always brush her teeth morning and night would you call that indoctrination?

If I teach my kid how to always be respectful to those older than she is would that be termed as indoctrination?

If I teach my kid the nobility in education and always being a positively exemplary person would that be termed as indoctrination?

If I teach my kid how to always be generous and help those in need even when she may not have e enough for herself would that be indoctrination?

If I teach my kid how not to cheat or finagle her way into relevance in the society would that be indoctrination?

If I teach my kid how to love and live to love rather than hate would that be termed as indoctrination?

Please can you tell me which of these listed above is CHILD ABUSE?

When did positive living and teaching positive living become Child Abuse? Do you even know what Child Abuse is?

hopefulLandlord:


That might be okay. But teaching your children that God killed the whole world because they were all evil except for Noah and his family. Or that he hates homsexuals that is why he obliterated Sodom and Gomorrah. etc.

Generally religious instruction is dangerous and manipulative, there might be some outdated morals taught but for the most part religion teaches, stupidity, narrow -mindedness, intolerance and bigotry and the teaching of it to children could even be regarded as being morally akin to deliberately exposing a child to HIV.

Teaching your children to be fearful of snakes or things that may harm them is perfectly reasonable, because it is based on experience and evidence. Teaching your children to be fearful of something for which there is no experience or evidence and which cannot be validated is just plain child abuse.

If something cannot be detected by sensory perception or instrumentation, then in what sense is evidence present? Information provided by our senses or instrumentation is necessary to claim that we have evidence.

No has been to hell or heaven and come back again to tell that Jesus and the devil are real and alive. Where is hell? Where is heaven? Where is God? Where is the devil? It does not make any sense to preach the fear gospel to children because how can you fear something that is not real.

Kids play pretend games all the time. That is ok. But they are not real and they know that. Pretending adds spice to life. Imagination is one of the greatest assets that a human has. But the religion is not pretend and it is presented and believed as being real and not a figment of ones imagination. Unlike Superman, and Batman and Santa etc

JackBizzle:




So you have turned to a grammar Nazi such that you don't even bother to address the point in someone's comments but rather judge the use of English?

hopefulLandlord:


put some respeck on it, you're talking to a British brain surgeon, ambulance rider, traumatologist, pharmacist and about 100 other specialties FFS

spacetacular:


Jackfizzle when someone cannot see how use of grammar can affect communication then it raises questions about their level of assimilation. I guess it wouldn't bother you much since you also suffer from assimilation so I guess you are showing support for a colleague.

JackBizzle:


What matters is the message.

Some of the most profound comments I have heard were spoken in broken English.

spacetacular:



For someone who copied word for word from that website and only added the last sentence "Does their actions sound familiar?" Yet did not know that it should have been DO instead of DOES and it should also have been LOOK instead of SOUND since you are talking about actions and not words so it should have been DO THEIR ACTIONS LOOK FAMILIAR?

based on my written observation I could say that your conclusion was arrived at due to either illiteracy or an inability to comprehend issues based on a deliberate hatred for Religion.

Hate does blind one from reality of their own flaws such as I have pointed out here.

spacetacular:


When you have your personal opinion about a subject NEVER attempt pushing it on another who does not share your position and assume he or she MUST accept what you say as how they think. THAT IS WRONG!

You See, there is something about religion or Christianity which you obviously failed to understand and believe. NOBODY FORCES ANYTHING ON ANYONE! PEOPLE CHOOSE what to believe according to their level of growth and exposure to the truth in the Word of God revealed to them personally by HIS SPIRIT.

Teaching about hell is not the bases for salvation. The death and resurrection of Jesus and believing in it is!

Telling my kid about Jesus and Santa claus or the Tooth Fairy means nothing to them until they arrive at the age in life when they CHOOSE BY THEMSELVES which is real and which is not BASED ON THEIR OWN PERSONAL FINDINGS AND EXPERIENCES.

When you read or hear about people becoming born again it's based on PERSONAL DECISIONS. some of them heard this message of Jesus maybe 10 years ago but still 10 years later ended up believing. Not everyone became born again by going to church and constantly being told the word of God! Many never had such experiences. Many were not born into Christian families. Many never grew up with Christian books in their libraries.

What you wrote is YOUR PERSONAL IDEA of what THE GOSPEL truly is. GOSPEL means GOOD NEWS so when you say we preach the FEAR GOSPEL it means you do not even know what you are saying. FEAR and GOOD NEWS (GOSPEL) cannot be used in one sentence.

You are the one trying to manipulate religion to fit your personal opinion when it's rather simple and joy based.

chemystery:
no choice but to clutch on straws. Why not go to education section and show yourself? It is DOES by the way. But I wont count that on you. English is not our mother tongue and not a yardstick to judge one's intelligence. I do make mistakes even in my local language. The most important thing is to communicate which he did flawlessly and effectively.

JackBizzle:


A Birdman reference?

But seriously, you havent even mentioned half of her qualifications

hopefulLandlord:


sermon starts, as expected; you've quickly dropped your "brushing teeth" analogy

I absolutely disagree that its a PERSONAL DECISION judging by the fact that most children end up living and dying as adherents of whichever religion their parents are in, that is the most telling effect of indoctrination; you might try to pull some fancy words here but I'm not manipulating anything, I'm simply saying it as it is

I have pointed out many times, the vast majority of believers follow their faith simply because of where they were born and raised (indoctrinated). A look at any world religions demographic map makes that obvious. If most of the people who had a positive influence over a child's life were of a certain religion, that child would want to emulate them, and maybe would be convinced that their religion is part of the reason they appeal to him/her and were a positive influence in their life. The child is at the core an emotional, trusting and dependent being that accepts that which it is told when young and then all subsequent knowledge is layered and fused, laminated into a ever stronger and more rigid bar as the child matures.

spacetacular:



For someone who copied word for word from that website and only added the last sentence "Does their actions sound familiar?" Yet did not know that it should have been DO instead of DOES and it should also have been LOOK instead of SOUND since you are talking about actions and not words so it should have been DO THEIR ACTIONS LOOK FAMILIAR?

based on my written observation I could say that your conclusion was arrived at due to either illiteracy or an inability to comprehend issues based on a deliberate hatred for Religion.

Hate does blind one from reality of their own flaws such as I have pointed out here.

DoctorAlien:
This analogy has been around for some time now, but the OP simply regurgitated it, without telling us what it has to do with religion.

adepeter2027:

While she's he's the father of plagiarism. Copying articles without referencing.

MostHated:


Fixed. Thanks for the correction.

BTW, maybe if you had cared to take a look at the website, then you'ld have noticed that it actually wasn't copied "word for word".

spacetacular:


It is DO and not DOES. We learn everyday.