unitedsurv:


bless you jare, unfortunately some fools dont know the benefit of tithing hence they believe the pastor use it for his pocket very dumb set of people

the day I knew I wouldn't joke with my tithes and offering was the day a brother opp our house family friend sha told me during his service half of his allowee he would always give to church every month till he finish service the day he finished service some weeks after someone he never knew from Canada not only brought him to Canada but before he left Nigeria gave him 2m to shop apply for a visa. the man still promise to pay his flight ticket. now he got a work doing well

some people here will come saying paying tithes is useless bla bla .....

Malachi 3:10 said "Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, so that there may be food in My house, and test Me now in this," says the LORD of hosts, "if I will not open for you the windows of heaven and pour out for you a blessing until it overflow"

obey for your blessings

It's funny how you concentrated on Malachi 3 v 10 and forgot what God said here Deuteronomy 14:22-29New International Version (NIV)

Tithes
22 Be sure to set aside a tenth of all that your fields produce each year. 23 Eat the tithe of your grain, new wine and olive oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks in the presence of the Lord your God at the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name, so that you may learn to revere the Lord your God always. 24 But if that place is too distant and you have been blessed by the Lord your God and cannot carry your tithe (because the place where the Lord will choose to put his Name is so far away), 25 then exchange your tithe for silver, and take the silver with you and go to the place the Lord your God will choose. 26 Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the Lord your God and rejoice. 27 And do not neglect the Levites living in your towns, for they have no allotment or inheritance of their own.

28 At the end of every three years, bring all the tithes of that year’s produce and store it in your towns, 29 so that the Levites (who have no allotment or inheritance of their own) and the foreigners, the fatherless and the widows who live in your towns may come and eat and be satisfied, and so that the Lord your God may bless you in all the work of your hands.

NONE,God blesses you because He is God and u give(tithe/vows) because u love Him. leave these new generation pastors alone.

The trial of pastor Jones

The truth about tithing
(unknown author)




Judge: Mr. Jones you have been charged with multiple counts of extortion. Your crime spree covers 20 years and thousands of victims. You have defrauded people out of their money with fear and manipulation, telling them they had to tithe 10% of their income as per the LAW to your Regd. organization (called Church) and that God would bless them if they did. You also told them that if they didn't tithe God would curse them.
How do you plead?

Mr. Jones: I plead not guilty your Honor,
I have done nothing wrong. I have only preached what the Bible says. In the Bible Abraham tithed to Melchizedek and God blessed him for his faithful giving. The Bible even says he was rich in silver and gold.

Judge: Is it not true, Mr. Jones, that in Genesis chapter 13 verse 2 the Bible says Abraham was rich with livestock, silver and gold?

Mr. Jones: Yes, you are exactly right, that's what I just told you.

Judge: Ok, we read about Abraham being a rich man in chapter 13 but it is not until Genesis chapter 14 that we read about Abraham's tithe to Melchizedek. So Abraham was already a rich man before he tithed to Melchizedek, wasn't he?

Mr. Jones: Yes, I suppose you are right.

Judge: So his riches were not the result of his tithe to Melchizedek?

Mr. Jones: No.

Judge: Mr. Jones, you also say God blessed him for his faithful giving. How many times is it recorded that Abraham gave tithes to Melchizedek?

Mr. Jones: Well, just once.

Judge: So the Bible never said that he gave week after week?

Mr. Jones: No it does not.

Judge: Where did Abraham get the things that he gave to Melchizedek?

Mr. Jones: Well the Bible says it was from the plunders of war?

Judge: So you are telling me that he gave from the plunders of war?

Mr. Jones: Yes that's what the Bible says.

Judge: So he basically took things that were not really his in the first place and gave them as the tithe?

Mr. Jones: That is what the scripture seems to indicate.

Judge: Is it recorded that he ever took anything from his own possessions and tithed them to Melchizedek or anyone else?

Mr. Jones: I guess not

Judge: You guess not, you are a teacher and you are only guessing, is it or is it not written that he ever gave any of his own possessions as a tithe to anyone?

Mr. Jones: No it is not written anywhere that I have seen.

Judge: Is it recorded as to what exactly Abraham did give Melchizedek?

Mr. Jones: I believe it says plunder?

Judge: So plunder could be any number of things?

Mr. Jones: Yes, I suppose

Judge: It could have been food, cattle, sheep, the people's possessions or any number of things. It does not say it was all money correct?

Mr. Jones: Yes you are correct, it does not say just money

Judge: As a matter of fact money is never mentioned in that account at all is that correct Mr. Jones?

Mr. Jones: Yes your Honor, money is never mentioned just goods and food and people.

Judge: So there is no way you can say with any certainty that Abraham in fact gave Melchizedek any money at all?

Mr. Jones: That is right.

Judge: I only have one last question for you Mr. Jones, did God command Abraham to give this plunder tithe to Melchizedek?

Mr. Jones: No, it appears that he did this voluntarily.

Judge: So are you trying to tell me that because of this voluntary, one time gift by Abraham, that may not have even consisted of money, all Christians everywhere are obligated to bring 10% of their weekly paycheck to a local Regd.Organization-church?
Considering all the evidence I would say you are beyond any shadow of a doubt guilty of deliberately trying to make the scriptures says things they have not said for financial gain.

Mr. Jones: Ok your Honor, I can see how foolish I was to try and use the story of Melchizedeck to try and get the people to tithe money. But there are many other verses that will support my belief on tithing. Jacob said he would give God 10% of everything. I think we should follow his example.

Judge: Let's see what Jacob said. Please read the verse you are talking about for me Mr. Jones.

Mr. Jones: In Genesis chapter 28 starting at verse 20 it says. Jacob vowed a vow, saying, "If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and clothing to put on, so that I come again to my father's house in peace, and Yahweh will be my God, then this stone, which I have set up for a pillar, will be God's house. Of all that you will give me I will surely give the tenth to you."

Judge: You said we should follow Jacobs example, is that right Mr. Jones?

Mr. Jones: Yes that is right, he vowed to give a tenth and we should too.

Judge: Let me point out one thing for you Mr. Jones, Jacob said he would Give God a tenth, ONLY if He blessed him first. So as you said previously, we should follow Jacob's example and tell God that we will only give him a tenth if he blesses us first. Is that right?

Mr. Jones: That is not what I meant.

Judge: What did you mean then?

Mr. Jones: That we should give God a tenth also.

Judge: There you go again, trying to make the scripture say what you want it to say for your benefit. I would also like you to tell me the scriptures that say that Jacob kept his vow with God. I would also like to know where he gave the tenth to because there was no temple or levites to give it to at that time.

Mr. Jones: I can not think of any scriptures that say where or if he ever tithed after his vow.

Judge: It seems fairly obvious to me that Jacob made a voluntary and conditional vow to God. This in no way can be used as a reason to demand others to bring their income to you or any other place.

Mr. Jones: I do have a few more scriptures that I believe will show that we are supposed to tithe.

Judge: You have not said anything yet to convince me one little bit that people are obligated to tithe money to the local organizational institutions -churches and that you were justified in what you were doing. You have taken scripture and misapplied it to your beliefs and for your gain. But in order to be fair to you I will allow you to present more evidence.

Mr. Jones: In the book of Malachi chapter 3 starting at verse 8 it says, will a man rob God? yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, In what have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. Bring ye all the tithes into the store-house, that there may be food in my house, and prove me now with this, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. So you see your Honor, we are commanded to bring the tithes into the storehouse or God will curse us.

Judge: Answer me this Mr Jones, Who was God Speaking to here?

Mr Jones: To the People of Israel

Judge: Can you please read Malachi 2: 1 Please Mr Jones

Mr Jones: Now This command is for you O PRIEST !!

Judge: Did God stop talking to the Priest in chp. 3 Mr Jones?

Mr Jones: No your Honor!

Judge: Answer me this Mr. Jones, were you aware that God never required anyone to tithe money?

Mr. Jones: No I didn't know that.

Judge: The tithe spoken of here was always edible products never money.

Mr. Jones: well your Honor that is because they didn't have money at the time so God had them tithe food instead.

Judge: Not true, money is first mentioned in Genesis and Malachi was written hundreds of years later. God had them bring food in so that the levites, the fatherless and widows may eat and be satisfied. The tithe was used mainly to take care of people. Also notice it says in the verse you quoted, that there may be food in my house. The food was the tithe. How do you completely overlook the word food in those verses?

Mr. Jones: I don't know

Judge: I also want you to know that these verses speak to nation under the Old Testament law. As you may or may not know Jesus fulfilled the law, it is no longer binding.
Once again you have tried to completely take a scripture out of context and apply it to others for your benefit. Can you give me a single scripture where God changed the tithe from food to money?

Mr. Jones: I do not know of any.

Judge: So if God never changed it from food to money who did?

Mr. Jones: Man must have.

Judge: So far all you have done Mr. Jones, is take Old Testament scriptures out of context and try to apply it to believers under the New Covenant. Is this all the proof you have?

Mr. Jones: I do have a New Testament scripture that will show that Jesus told us to tithe.

Judge: Ok let me hear it.

Mr. Jones: Jesus said in Matthew 23:23 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint, dill, and cumin, and have left undone the weightier matters of the law: justice, mercy, and faith. But you ought to have done these, and not to have left the other undone. See Jesus said we should be tithing.

Judge: Let me ask you a question, who was Jesus talking to?

Mr. Jones: The scripture says the Scribes and Pharisees.

Judge: Are you a scribe or Pharisee?

Mr. Jones: Of course not.

Judge: Jesus also said in that passage, you have left undone the weightier matters of the law. Are we under the law Mr. Jones?

Mr. Jones: No.

Judge: Why not?

Mr. Jones: Because Jesus fulfilled it.

Judge: When did Jesus fulfill the law?

Mr. Jones: When He was crucified.

Judge: So the law was still in effect until Jesus death?

Mr. Jones: That is correct.

Judge: I think you know where I am going with this don't you?

Mr. Jones: Yes your Honor. Since Jesus had not yet been crucified and the law was still binding the Pharisees were required to tithe because it was part of the law. Once the law ended, tithing ended also.

Judge: I want you to take a look at that verse again. Also tell me, what were they tithing?

Mr. Jones: The scripture says it was mint, dill and cumin.

Judge: Is money mentioned?

Mr. Jones: No it was not.

Judge: Once again it was edible products that they were tithing, not money. Do you have anything else you would like to say?

Mr. Jones: If people only tithed edible products like the scripture says, then how would the church survive? We have our mortgage payment, utility bills, staff salary and a host of other things that we have to pay each week. We depend on the money from the people.

Judge:By "church" you mean your organization isn't it Mr Jones ?
-The need does not justify the means. In other words, just because you have all these debts does not give you the right to twist and manipulate scripture and cause people to give under fear of being cursed by God to meet your needs. Does It Mr Jones?
In closing, let me recap a few things for you Mr. Jones.
-The tithe was never money;
-The tithe was an Old Testament law, which is no longer binding. When it was binding the tithe was used to take care of people, not buildings.
- We are under a new covenant now.
Paul instructs the Corinthian believers how they are to give. He says in second Corinthians chapter 9 verse 7, Let each man give according as he has determined in his heart; not grudgingly, or under compulsion; for God loves a cheerful giver. So each believer is supposed to give as he or she has determined in his or her heart.
If they determine to Give 10% well and good, If they keep aside some every week to meet this more better.If you are trying to make people give under the threat of being cursed or any other reason even blessing, you are wrong. Someone can not give cheerfully if they are being forced to give. If 'your church can not survive on freewill offerings maybe God is not part of your church at all.
Mr Jones, Do you intentionally put your people under a Curse or a Bondage?

Mr Jones: Of Course Not !!

Judge: Can you Read in context Gal 3:10-11 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them ....
AND
Gal 5:1-4 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage....

Mr. Jones: I never realized all these things, I have always been taught that we had to tithe money to the local church and that is what I have always taught. I can see now that I was completely wrong. I did not study the scripture for myself, I only took mans word for it.
Yes ' am guilty. I will not teach this error anymore.

Sentencing....... All Arise .......

Muslim should be restricted from Christian thread as Christian being restricted from commenting on muslim thread.

All of them are important.

There is that scattereth, and yet increaseth; and there is that withholdeth more than is meet, but it tendeth to poverty. Psalm 11:24.

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I wonder who is blessing all the successful and wealthy atheists.

Giving better life to pastors and their families does not in any way equate to giving to God.

Only an irredeemable idiot will trek to church to give away his or her 10% to another human who drives a Rolls Royce under the guise of giving to God. SMH. The level of stupidity is unimaginably astonishing.
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A money and his fool are soon parted.

Our blessings is not tied to our giving but through grace in Christ Jesus, not of our works. We do have to do anything for God to bless us, it's all a gift of christ Jesus. Sowing, offering and all applies to spiritual law that says give and it Sha be given to you, more reason Bill Gates is still Forbes no. 1.
Tithing is a story for another day, that fact that people needs to be compelled to, makes it wrong and under the law, you don't pay, devourer fall on you.
These are some of the reasons Christ came because no one can say they have been 100% compliant even the so called tithe pastors

espn:
Hahaha you dey mind people..human beings are so gullible..

I just tire. Simple logic there are principles to success,follow it and you will be made they won't hear. Does Dangote pay tithe? Or you will go and preach to Mark Zuckerberg to pay tithe that God will bless him? Smh

TITHE
FOR MORE PROOF
see MALACHI 3:7-12

but it has to me an honest tithe, not more not less and its 1/10th of your increase(gain,salary or profit).
one born out of sacrifice rather than abundance.

Offering nah wash... Nah pastor the chop am.

Finfadei:
I need to know.

Since when did God's blessings become an article that can be priced?

dingbang:
Repentance

......and restitution.
Repentance without restitution is similar to faith without works, which is dead.

Darkseid:
This question should be directed to God. How you want make I take know.
Seriously, I think that God is more interested in the money we give to those in need without asking for anything in return.

Thanks sir.
Did Jesus Christ not say that it is impossible to love God whom we cannot see, if we don't love our neighbors whom we see?
How can anyone who understands the message of Jesus Christ contemplate BRIBING God, whom he has not seen, to bless him rather than helping those in need, assured that our Father who art in Heaven will meet all our needs?
Is such a person even a Christian, to start with?

God is not moved by substance. So you cannot 'move' God by returning what He has given you in the first place. The three things that draw God (in no particular order of magnitude and importance) are faith, obedience and love. These are the things to grow and excel in. Let them determine what, how, when and to whom you give. Once again, God does not take bribe. He is bound by law not to.

libson001:
Offering nah wash... Nah pastor the chop am.

Right from day 1 in the garden of Eden offerings have always gone to men. Substance is created for men as God is a spirit and has no need for substance. He asks us to give so that His purposes are achieved once more as established when He created man.

GET TO WORK. WORK WITH RESULTS, THATS THE ONLY WAY GOD WILL BLESS YOU. WE ARE TOO LAZY, WE TAKE GOD FOR A MIRACLE SELLER, YOU PAY TITHE OR SOW SEED AND VOLLA ALL IS PROVIDED FREE FOR YOU?

GO AND WORK!

folakemigeh:
Tithing has been a miracle for me ever since i began tithing.


Well. I made a vow to continue to pay my tithe if God should give me a job in that particular year..

Just exactly one month after i prayed and made the vow, i was called by the HR of one reputable company.

The rest is history

Hehehe. One pastor somewhere is assured of monthly stipends thanks to your kind!

None. Only love your neighbors as yourself, that will draw you closer to god.

None
Tithing is not for Christians, No where from Mathew to Revelation, Do Jesus Christ of Nazareth or any his apostles demand or allude in any way to pay tithe, Rather Jesus roundedly Condemned those who give and those who pay tithe Mathew 23vs 23.
Vow can be made to God or to Devil.
Seed sowing,: is a spiritual armed robbery term devised by agents of Satan who call themselves pastors 2Corinthians 11vss 13,14

folakemigeh:
Tithing has been a miracle for me ever since i began tithing.


Well. I made a vow to continue to pay my tithe if God should give me a job in that particular year..

Just exactly one month after i prayed and made the vow, i was called by the HR of one reputable company.

The rest is history

My dear, with that your very fine face, even etisalat in their last days of legal woes and crises would've still employed you. So please give us another scenerio abeg.

Darkseid:
This question should be directed to God. How you want make I take know.
Seriously, I think that God is more interested in the money we give to those in need without asking for anything in return.

I am not too sure about this. The prodigal son was in need and if you gave to him in his rebellion I don't think you will be doing God any favours. That is why I think and the bible says obedience is better than sacrifice. We are created to obey instructions even though God has made this optional by giving us a will.

Finfadei:
I need to know.

Non. Ephesians 1:3 is all u need to know. God "hath" blessed us even before we were formed. U can only work to activate those blessings. Remember he that steals, let him steal not but should work.
Remember, Jesus said ask "ANYTHING " in my name and the Father will do it(unconditional open cheque).
He didn't say u can only be qualified to ask after paying tithe or offering or seed faith.
Now tithe, offerings are given as an appreciation for God's faithfulness and blessings one's your life. It's wrong to think they would bring blessings.

Tithe the best of d best.baba God no dey ova luk am he go do dt thg sharperly,sharperly plus workg in hs vineyard.am a witness,U cant be stranded in life.

LexMacquin:


My dear, with that your very fine face, even etisalat in their last days of legal woes and crises would've still employed you. So please give us another scenerio abeg.

favor dnt jst come like dt,to be taken out of d crowd it's a spiritual thg nd it controls d physical

If you read the bible you will know that you dont give to be blessed rather you are blessed to give. On this premise I y'all to know that Jesus is enough for me (Gal 3:13). My righteousness will always be like filthy rags before God but if I embrace the righteousness that is of Christ by Faith in Him then I am righteous. For those who subscribe to doing stuff to please God jst know that if you pay your tithe and dont pay your first fruit then you have broken the entire "law" and if you are able to do both and you dont pay sin offering like Job did everytime he perceived in his heart that his Sons had sinned then you have also broken the "Law". In conclusion I am superabundantly blessed in Christ Jesus by His finished works pls show love and compassion to the needy out there, give your offerings with the mindset you are already blessed. Pure and genuine religion in the sight of God the Father means caring for orphans and widows in their distress and refusing to let the world corrupt you. James 1:27

The greater your giving, the greater your blessing...doesn't really mean whether its seed, tithe, or vow...

living a life of holiness is the key and seal. joined with tithe..... heaven is thy limit.

BELOVE! THANKS BE UNTO GOD THE FATHER OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST WHO HATH BLESSED US(BELIEVERS) WITH ALL SPIRITUAL BLESSINGS IN HEAVENLY PLACES IN CHRIST JESUS..AMEN..AMEN.., YOU CAN'T EARN THE BLESSINGS OF GOD. IT IS GIVEN FREE IN CHRIST JESUS

folakemigeh:
Tithing has been a miracle for me ever since i began tithing.


Well. I made a vow to continue to pay my tithe if God should give me a job in that particular year..

Just exactly one month after i prayed and made the vow, i was called by the HR of one reputable company.

The rest is history

What would you say about people like me who didn't tithe but kept moving from grace to grace....glory to glory....?
A lady friend that i know is a devoted tither,yet her name wasn't on the list of those for a job in a well known company...
Yet some individuals who haven't tithed in their life before now were hired...
Ur tithe payment does not grant U access to God's blessing but your faith and trust in him does....