obailala:
Like I said before, tribalism can only be solved by sensible leadership and maturity from the people being led. The current wave of tribalism and religious discrimination which reached a peak since 2015 was ignited by politician. When a politician in search of votes denigrates other tribes in order to force his tribesmen to vote him, he sows a seed of discord in the minds of the people which he is unable to uproot even after he has won and gotten into office. Left to the ordinary man on the streets, he doesn't care when he associates with other common men from other tribes in the market, the discord is usually fuelled by leaders.

I must draw it to your attention once again that separating a country is never a solution to tribalism because you might just have to divide and divide and divide like a thousand times even down to family level and you'd realise the problem still isn't solved. I do not know much about the Yoruba nation, but telling you don't have internal segregations would be a bloody lie. Creating a Yoruba only nation would only amplify the internal tribal/religious/cultural boundaries which exists within.

deedeedee1:

A leader does not have to make tribalistic statements before he gets support from his tribesmen. The leaders you accuse are products of the society that you and i were raised. We are all tribalistic and this is fact! There is nothing wrong with that though if you ask me. Tribalism is one's love for his tribe. Tribalism is same with patriotism.
If as a Yorubaman, i contest for presidency against an Igboman, i dont need to make hate speeches against Igbos before i get the trust of my people. I also do not need anybody to tell me the Igbo man will defeat me in his land.
Tribalism is not caused by leaders.
Tribalism is Nature.

obailala:
Like I said before, tribalism can only be solved by sensible leadership and maturity from the people being led. The current wave of tribalism and religious discrimination which reached a peak since 2015 was ignited by politician. When a politician in search of votes denigrates other tribes in order to force his tribesmen to vote him, he sows a seed of discord in the minds of the people which he is unable to uproot even after he has won and gotten into office. Left to the ordinary man on the streets, he doesn't care when he associates with other common men from other tribes in the market, the discord is usually fuelled by leaders.

I must draw it to your attention once again that separating a country is never a solution to tribalism because you might just have to divide and divide and divide like a thousand times even down to family level and you'd realise the problem still isn't solved. I do not know much about the Yoruba nation, but telling you don't have internal segregations would be a bloody lie. Creating a Yoruba only nation would only amplify the internal tribal/religious/cultural boundaries which exists within.

Nbote:


How will tribalism not persist in a multicultural society like Nigeria when only one tribe and region wants to continually b at d helm of affairs and always want to have things their way...

deedeedee1:

A leader does not have to make tribalistic statements before he gets support from his tribesmen. The leaders you accuse are products of the society that you and i were raised. We are all tribalistic and this is fact! There is nothing wrong with that though if you ask me. Tribalism is one's love for his tribe. Tribalism is same with patriotism.
If as a Yorubaman, i contest for presidency against an Igboman, i dont need to make hate speeches against Igbos before i get the trust of my people. I also do not need anybody to tell me the Igbo man will defeat me in his land.
Tribalism is not caused by leaders.
Tribalism is Nature.

obailala:
It may be caused by nature, but it is the duty of leaders to wisely tone down its destructive effects. In 1999, Nigeria was not up to a tenth as tribally and religiously divided as it is today. Are you then suggesting that human nature has evolved between 1999 and 2017?... The answer is a blatant NO! Tribalism has increased in geometric proportions over the years because of the diabolic greed and ineptitude of leaders who directly promote it for their self interests. If that greed and ineptitude is not tackled, even if you divide Nigeria into 1000 parts, each of those 1000 constituent parts would still have the same elements of destructive tribalism.

NOETHNICITY:
The man needs to be educated further about tribalism even in(among) yoruba tribes.

The Ife and Modakeke war isn't too distant in recent history.

There is currently tribal war between 2yoruba comunities Kwara state in Wrinkle village. that clash has claimed lives.

There is also constant clash between Ofa and Erinle also in Kwara state even though both communities speak same and ve same culture..

deedeedee1:

Why will the leaders try to promote tribalism if we are united? This does not make sense to me. If we are united, then the leaders will not have to use our disunity to their advantage.
Yes you are right. We have stereotypes in Yorubaland, but they wont be as worse as Nigeria's. We Yorubas speak same language, practice same culture, originate from same ancestors, bear same names e.t.c
You cant eradicate tribalism in Nigeria.
We are Naturally not united.
We must accept this

NOETHNICITY:
Forget it, tribalism is not nature.

tribalism is local.
hence Africa continues irredeemably on its way to backwardness.

tribal attachment brings nothing gudto the table.
Breeds hate and nepotism.
I detest tribalism
and I hate pple who promote it

deedeedee1:

People dont promote tribalism. Tribalism is nature. Why are European countries not diverse like African's? This is because they want to reduce tribalism, hate, nepostism and promote peace and prosperity. European countries are split through ethnic lines

obailala:
And who do you think should promote and ensure that unity if not the leaders?... Who do you even think creates and fuels that disunity if not for the same greedy diabolic self centred leaders?... The leaders currently throw up 'the other tribe' as the source of the problems when addressing their people; as long as these leaders aren't checked, even when you split the country into 100 parts, the same leaders woupd still find a way of blaming the other tribe/group/region/state/LGA etc and they still promote the same disunity even on a micro level.

obailala:
who told you European countries are perfectly split along ethnic lines?

deedeedee1:

Leader cannot promote unity. The society can. .....

freshest4live:

A single major religion(at least 70%) would have also helped matters. But if Nigerians can find a way to tolerate one another and work together despite these differences she would be extremely powerful.

Sapiosexuality:
I think our Leaders know these things but choose not to do them. This is not an extraordinary thought. The thing is, making peace and achieving justice is more difficult than war and injustice. The problem will never disappear until they confront it. They know this and like the true cowards they are, they choose the easy route.

But why should we destroy and eliminate our identities to form the Nigerian identity? Was that what Europe did to become the most civilized continent? Why should I respect the creation of a thief who came into my fathers' homes, broke down their doors, stole their properties and forced another man he raped to live with them? Isn't it neocolonialism to assume that such unholy creation must not be defiled?

I think it is slavish to assume we are indissoluble. It's nonsense! I've seen so called panafricans in this forum, who loathe the British for what they did to us, dismiss the idea of referendum as nonsense. A person believes the British did us evil and all they created was for their benefit. But this same person can't see that Nigeria is one of such creations.

Nigeria must be renegotiated. I have no problem with Tribalism. My problem is with stupidity. Tribalism is simply ones love for their tribe and there is nothing wrong with that. We don't insult a man for loving his family more than his neighbours. We don't try to destroy a man's love for their country. We don't try to take away the cord that binds two friends because we assume their friendship is cancerous to our survival. That's how I see tribalism.

deedeedee1:

Ban ethnicity? You are the dumbest person i have known on Nairaland. Why should i let go of my pride because of a country created by the British? You are a big fool for writing nonsense!
Did i see you write African Nations? Can you list any country in Africa today that is qualified to be called a Nation?
The only way to stop tribalism is to let people who share same culture, language to live as one.
Simple!

deedeedee1:

Another nonsense! You cant eradicate tribalism in an ethnically diverse country. It is not possible.
Let Yoruba, Igbos, and Hausa live apart.

deedeedee1:

Bullshiit!

NOETHNICITY:
What do u plan to do with the Ijaws in the oil rich part of Ondo, Ogun and Lagos?
For ur info the Ijaws ve already rejected to live under any form of oduduwa republic.
I hope u know this?

deedeedee1:

Another nonsense! You cant eradicate tribalism in an ethnically diverse country. It is not possible.
Let Yoruba, Igbos, and Hausa live apart.

obailala:

1. Nigeria isnt the only ethnically diverse country.
2. Yoruba, Igbo and Hausa are not the only tribes in Nigeria (just incase you have forgotten).

Leadership wisdom and maturity are the only things that can kill tribalism. If you seperate Biafra today (i.e. the old Biafra which includes Efik, Ibibio, Ikom, Ogoja, Annang, Calabari, Ikwerre, Anioma, Okrika, Izon, Ndoni etc.), without leadership wisdom and maturity on the part of the people, the menace of tribalism will still be fully blown; only difference is that the central Igbos would then be the biggest oppressors of the other over 50 tribes and there would be no other big tribes (i.e. Yoruba + Hausa) to 'compete' with the Igbos.

Even within the 5 states of the SE which have a fairly homogeneous language, we still actively see a lot of tribal/regional segregation. Was it not Abia state which sacked and refused to employ Imo and Anambra indigenes?... I had a lecturer in FUTO (a federal uni) who after decades of academic service, couldnt receive his professorships purely because he couldn't fit into the Imo state politics within the school (which at the time was even dominated by the Mbaise clique). Poor lecturer had to go back to his state's newly launched uni then (Anambra start uni at Uli) to work as part time, and that was where he eventually got his professorships. Similar story happened to my uncle who couldnt get his due promotions at Abia state university simply because he was from Imo. It took him to move to Imo state uni before he could get his due rights. You think that is not the same as tribalism?

Should I even start talking of the segregation within Imo state where some groups swore they would never let any Mbaise person smell Douglas house?... and of course, Mbaise people have been wailing over this issue for ages including during the last Ihedioha election which could have broken the trend.

What am I saying in essence?... Tribalism doesnt end with just Yoruba, Hausa and Igbo as so many people myopically view it. The moment you break those 3 apart, you'll then realise that within each group, there are still hundreds of subgroups that would still perpetuate the tribalism nonsense.

Once again, leadership wisdom and maturity from the people are the only things that can end tribalism; and not endless separations. You can keep calling it nonsense because you want secession (i.e. no more yoruba and hausa competition), but it doesnt still make your position the sensible one.

deedeedee1:

We dont have to be the only ethnically diverse country before we know the damage it has and will cause us in the nearest future. Yoruba, Igbos, and Hausas are very large nations that can survive on their own.

deedeedee1:

Many European countries are split along ethnic lines. Germany and Austrians are same Germans. Italy, Norway, Iceland, Greece, Malta, Poland. Czech republic, Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands, ireland e.t.c Even the uk is split along ethnic lines. England for English people, northern Ireland for Irish people, wales for welsh Ethnic.
So yeah, most European countries are either mono-ethnic or have one ethnic making up about 90 percent of the population. Some Asian countries are also like this
Yoruba, Igbos, and Hausas are very large Nations that can survive on their own.

Nowenuse:


Seriously, why are you behaving like a bitter teenager? Can't you speak in a mature manner void of sentimental/emotional outburst?

Tribalism can be eradicated in an ethnically diverse country, yes, it happened in Tanzania. It also is the case in much of Northern Nigeria.
If religion, regionalism or Nationality is promoted over ethnicity, watch tribalism die a natural death.

Nowenuse:


What about Switzerland & Belgium? Are they mono-ethnic? NO, yet they are even more peaceful and progressive than most mono-ethnic European nations.

deedeedee1:

Ijaws are not indigenes of Ogun, Lagos, and Ondo. So i give no ffuuckk about them

Nowenuse:


Thank you very much. Deedeedee1 appears like someone who cannot face facts and reality juxtaposed together.

Yorubas, Igbos or Hausas may appear as one on the national level, but on the local level, they have their own internal difference, which if not curtailed could even be worse than the outside differences.

I am not a Nationalist or 'One Nigerianist', but i know that even if you give the Igbos or Yorubas their own seperate countries, they would still have to promote the same Nationalism or the Pan Igbo/yoruba ethnic identity in order to make their respective nations undivided. If not, within a short time, tribalism will instantly begin among the Subgroups. Ijebu people may start claiming superiority over others. We can see the bitter rivalry between Egba and Ijebu people in Ogun state. Muslims and traditionalists who almost clashed violently in Osun state. Ife vs Modakeke.
In Igbo land, the same thing. Nkanu vs Nsukka people in Enugu state, Aguleri vs Umuleri in Anambra, Izzi-Ezza clashes in Ebonyi, Ngwa against Others in Abia state. Abia state govt sacking all Imo state indigenes.

So, we are still saying the same thing. The most politically unstable and chaotic African nation (aside S. Sudan), Somalia, is a mono ethnic and mono religious nation, guess what divides them? Clannism! Some clans claim to be superior to other clans inspite of the fact that they are one same ethnicity, religion, ancestry and what have you.

Nowenuse:


Then pls, start the radical evangelism of seperatism to your own people. Yorubas are one of the biggest supporters of One Nigeria, especially the yoruba muslims. Ranting on nairaland is not enough. 90% of yorubas still prefer one Nigeria.

deedeedee1:

A leader does not have to make tribalistic statements before he gets support from his tribesmen. The leaders you accuse are products of the society that you and i were raised. We are all tribalistic and this is fact! There is nothing wrong with that though if you ask me. Tribalism is one's love for his tribe. Tribalism is same with patriotism.
If as a Yorubaman, i contest for presidency against an Igboman, i dont need to make hate speeches against Igbos before i get the trust of my people. I also do not need anybody to tell me the Igbo man will defeat me in his land.
Tribalism is not caused by leaders.
Tribalism is Nature.

Demmzy15:
Who made you the spokesperson for Yoruba Muslims? Virtually all the Yoruba Muslims I know on Nairaland are of the opinion that Nigeria should split, not because of hate or selfishness but for the greater good. I'm always annoyed when you guys make annoying rhetorics like "especially Yoruba Muslims"

**spits **

Proudlyngwa:

Tribalism might be nature But Tribal bigotry is not.
And one thing too, nature can be abused.