AbuUthaymeen:
I UNDERSTAND YOU BRO.. IT SEEMS EASY AND LOVELY AND IT SEEMS LIKE ITS GOING TO MAKE ISLAM LOOK EVOLVE AND CIVILIZED abi. . the thing is, whatever is ibaadat, an act of worship.. u know we are doing it for ALLAH abi. . .and we must follow prophet muhammad order on it abi? . .as in every act of w0rship must be d0ne for ALLAH sake and in the way prophet muhammad did it abi? . . the perfect answer for ur misunderstanding with tesubah = saheeh muslim. .hadith number 1404. . Dea is no difference between s0me0ne using tesubah and s0me0ne who decides to perform 1 rakah of salat for every zuhr and ashr because 1 rakah is much easier than 4 rakah. ..ave qmp

Very Very different.

One rakah of Salat is rubbish.

Using tesuba is just for counting, just like we use Abacus too.
You want to make subhanallah 33x after a solat, you ave a tesuba and your hand, your tesuba has marked places that you won't make mistake on getting there.
But while using your hands, you can make mistakes due to human error.

Which would you go for?.

It's very different from your solat analogy.


Ko Jo ara won rara

Raintaker:


You are still getting it wrong
check out my next mention

You are still saying the same thing..still about ign0rance.. even without u telling them anything. . its their(non muslims and muslims) duty to find out and know about islam. . . . . . didnt u tell them about islam? why didnt they accept islam? havent the message of islam reached them? just for n0n muslim to hear the name prophet muhammad is en0ugh proof that such person has heared of islam. . . . .BESIDES THERE ARE OTHER QURAN VERSES THAT 7TATE IT CLEARLY THAT AHLU KITAB(christians and jews are kufar) . . . . . . . .. . .afhasfu k

AbuUthaymeen:
You are still saying the same thing..still about ign0rance.. even without u telling them anything. . its their(non muslims and muslims) duty to find out and know about islam. . . . . . didnt u tell them about islam? why didnt they accept islam? havent the message of islam reached them? just for n0n muslim to hear the name prophet muhammad is en0ugh proof that such person has heared of islam. . . . .BESIDES THERE ARE OTHER QURAN VERSES THAT 7TATE IT CLEARLY THAT AHLU KITAB(christians and jews are kufar) . . . . . . . .. . .afhasfu k

Chai bros, don't say that again o for dem to hear d name Prophet Muhammad they must believe?

(This is your opinion no evidence for it)

Oh yh, I told them about Islam as you can see in my post.

So many years of not knowing what Islam is.

One year of someone telling you about Islam, d person left and you are still with those who represent Islam wrongly?

They fear Muslims cos of d false doctrine they've witnessed, Fulani even destroyed a neighbouring village during my stay.
All Hausa Fulani in my village ran away, even we that are not Hausa Fulani had to be careful.

So those ones I mentioned above will believe in Islam just like that?
Did you know how many years spent in calling people to Islam?
Bros you are still living in your own head(no offence meant)

Ahlul Kitab were Kufars in d Quran? Bring your evidence.
I have brought my own evidence from the alQuran that they are not Kufars , you say they are and you saw it in d Quran, bring your own evidence.

Raintaker:


Very Very different.

One rakah of Salat is rubbish.

Using tesuba is just for counting, just like we use Abacus too.
You want to make subhanallah 33x after a solat, you ave a tesuba and your hand, your tesuba has marked places that you won't make mistake on getting there.
But while using your hands, you can make mistakes due to human error.

Which would you go for?.

It's very different from your solat analogy.


Ko Jo ara won rara

ITS THE SAME THING. THEY ARE BOTH IBAADAT AND THEY ARE BOTH BIDA. . . salat. . 4 rakah is an order fr0m ALLAH.. making count with right finger only for any zikr is a c0mmand fr0m ALLAH... PERFORMING 1 RAKAT INSTEAD OF 4 because u want ease = bida..replacing 4 with 1. . . ALLAH said we must make zikr with hand and u replace it with tesubah and other counting method because u d0nt wana lose c0unt or u want ease = bida . .3r u are disobeying ALLAH and making law into islam which is kufru. . .4

AbuUthaymeen:
ITS THE SAME THING. THEY ARE BOTH IBAADAT AND THEY ARE BOTH BIDA. . . salat. . 4 rakah is an order fr0m ALLAH.. making count with right finger only for any zikr is a c0mmand fr0m ALLAH... PERFORMING 1 RAKAT INSTEAD OF 4 because u want ease = bida..replacing 4 with 1. . . ALLAH said we must make zikr with hand and u replace it with tesubah and other counting method because u d0nt wana lose c0unt or u want ease = bida . .3r u are disobeying ALLAH and making law into islam which is kufru. . .4

Wherevisvd evidence that Allah told you you must make dhikr with hand?

Bring a Quranic verse that said that unless don't say that again.

Raintaker:
Wherevisvd evidence that Allah told you you must make dhikr with hand?

Bring a Quranic verse that said that unless don't say that again.

YOU DO N0T BELIEVE IN HADITHS?

AbuUthaymeen:
YOU DO N0T BELIEVE IN HADITHS?

You are d one that said Allah said, it wasn't me.
So it's your word and I told u to bring evidence from what you stated.

Or Hadith is also d WORD of Allah according to Jabata?






About your question, I believe hadiths are fallible

Raintaker . . . islam is to be practised according to how rasul did, say and belief . . quran verses make takfir of christians and jews. . . also of muslims u became kafir, also of idolators and people who divide ther religion. . .(aw0n elegbe, like sufi and co) ..gp

AbuUthaymeen:
Raintaker . . . islam is to be practised according to how rasul did, say and belief . . quran verses make takfir of christians and jews. . . also of muslims u became kafir, also of idolators and people who divide ther religion. . .(aw0n elegbe, like sufi and co) ..gp

So are we not practising Islam according to how Rasul did or what are you saying?

AbuUthaymeen:
Raintaker . . . islam is to be practised according to how rasul did, say and belief . . quran verses make takfir of christians and jews. . . also of muslims u became kafir, also of idolators and people who divide ther religion. . .(aw0n elegbe, like sufi and co) ..gp

So are we not practising Islam according to how Rasul did or what are you saying?
Which verses made Takfir on them o(the Quran is comprehensive enough.)

Raintaker:

You are d one that said Allah said, it wasn't me.
So it's your word and I told u to bring evidence from what you stated.

Or Hadith is also d WORD of Allah according to Jabata?






About your question, I believe hadiths are fallible

HADITH IS WORD OF ALLAH. . ALLAH SAID, WE SHOULD FOLLOW ALLAH AND RASUL. . AND HADITH IS FALIABLE, THAT IS WHY WE HAVE SCIENCE OF HADITH. .TO KN0W TRUTH AND LIES. . . AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHY BUKHARI AND MUSLIM C0MPILED SAHEEH HADITHS . . .without rasul explanation(hadiths) . . . there is n0 way anyb0dy will understand islam talkless of practising it. . . ign0rance aint excuse, if it is,rasul father w0nt be in hell. . quran said ahlu kitab(jews and christians are kufar). . using tesubah is bida c0z its n0t in islam. . suratul maidah verse 3 said our religion is c0mplete. . . .any0ne d0ing any act of w0rship NOT the way rasul did is directly rejecting the quran verse..and thereby bec0mes a kafir after itz clear-.65

AbuUthaymeen:
HADITH IS WORD OF ALLAH. . ALLAH SAID, WE SHOULD FOLLOW ALLAH AND RASUL. . AND HADITH IS FALIABLE, THAT IS WHY WE HAVE SCIENCE OF HADITH. .TO KN0W TRUTH AND LIES. . . AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHY BUKHARI AND MUSLIM C0MPILED SAHEEH HADITHS . . .without rasul explanation(hadiths) . . . there is n0 way anyb0dy will understand islam talkless of practising it. . . ign0rance aint excuse, if it is,rasul father w0nt be in hell. . quran said ahlu kitab(jews and christians are kufar). . using tesubah is bida c0z its n0t in islam. . suratul maidah verse 3 said our religion is c0mplete. . . .any0ne d0ing any act of w0rship NOT the way rasul did is directly rejecting the quran verse..and thereby bec0mes a kafir after itz clear-.65

Hadith is word of Allah?
I give up on you bro
Buhari compiled Hadith?
I am shaking my head.


Cc Empiree
See what your friend is saying.

He doesn't know what he is saying at all.

Raintaker:

Hadith is word of Allah?
I give up on you bro
Buhari compiled Hadith?
I am shaking my head.


Cc E.mpiree
See what your friend is saying.

He doesn't know what he is saying at all.

The guy is dull. His statements you quoted contradict his own ideology. He is a kid that needs to humble his ego and learn. He has a long way to go

Empiree:
The guy is dull. His statements you quoted contradict his own ideology. He is a kid that needs to humble his ego and learn. He has a long way to go

A very very long way bro.

Raintaker:
So are we not practising Islam according to how Rasul did or what are you saying?
Which verses made Takfir on them o(the Quran is comprehensive enough.)

CHECK MY THREAD FIROQ IN ISLAM AND READ HADITH MUSLIM 1404 AND BUKHARI 5046JBUKHARI M

Raintaker:
Hadith is word of Allah? I give up on you bro Buhari compiled Hadith? I am shaking my head.

Cc Empiree See what your friend is saying.
He doesn't know what he is saying at all.

WHOSE WORD IS HADITH? WHO C0MPILED HADITH IF N0T BUKHARI?

Raintaker:
A very very long way bro.

LOL. . SE SUFI NI ANABI? SE SUFI NI AW0N SAABE? .GS

AbuUthaymeen:
WHOSE WORD IS HADITH? WHO C0MPILED HADITH IF N0T BUKHARI?

Bros I'm not teaching you this for free, go and find out and come back here cos it's one of d basics.

If you can't find out I'll teach you for a fee.

AbuUthaymeen:
WHOSE WORD IS HADITH? WHO C0MPILED HADITH IF N0T BUKHARI?

Bros I'm not teaching you this for free, go and find out and come back here cos it's one of d basics.

If you can't find out I'll teach you for a fee.

You still have a long way to go.






You said I should check your thread


What's in your thread? I don't get.

AbuUthaymeen:
LOL. . SE SUFI NI ANABI? SE SUFI NI AW0N SAABE? .GS

Who is a Sufi?
Or what is Sufi?


Another Assignment for you.

Raintaker:
Bros I'm not teaching you this for free, go and find out and come back here cos it's one of d basics.

If you can't find out I'll teach you for a fee.

You still have a long way to go.






You said I should check your thread


What's in your thread? I don't get.

DO YOU BELIEF IN HADITH? yes or n0?.

Raintaker:
Who is a Sufi? Or what is Sufi?

Another Assignment for you.

JUST ANSWER MY QUESTION . . AM LISTENING

AbuUthaymeen:
DO YOU BELIEF IN HADITH? yes or n0?.

This is not a yes or no question cos there are different kinds of Hadith's.


Hadith pe orishirishi.





That's why I am telling you that Hadith is fallible.

AbuUthaymeen:
JUST ANSWER MY QUESTION . . AM LISTENING

This homework is for you, give me d reply when you are sure you've found iyt d answer.

Raintaker:
This is not a yes or no question cos there are different kinds of Hadith's.


Hadith pe orishirishi.





That's why I am telling you that Hadith is fallible.

DO U BELIEVE IN SAHEEH BUKHARI AND MUSLIM HADITHS?

AbuUthaymeen:
DO U BELIEVE IN SAHEEH BUKHARI AND MUSLIM HADITHS?

I will still tell you d same thing.

SAHEE BUHARI AND Muslim are fallible.


I only believe in hadiths that are in consonant with the Quran.
Chikena.

Haaaa O lagbara oooo. Both of you deserve some strokes of the cane.

AbuUthaymeen:
DO U BELIEVE IN SAHEEH BUKHARI AND MUSLIM HADITHS?

I will still tell you d same thing.

SAHEE BUHARI AND Muslim are fallible.


I only believe in hadiths that are in consonance with the Quran.
Chikena.

iamgenius:
Haaaa O lagbara oooo. Both of you deserve some strokes of the cane.

For Why na?

Raintaker:
For Why na?

Dont ask me why, arguing over simple matter lataaro. That is the work of Shaytaan.

Raintaker:

This homework is for you, give me d reply when you are sure you've found iyt d answer.

LAUGHING . .ALWAYS DODGING . .WHEN IT HAS NO PR0OF . .MGG . . AND WHICH OF HADITH IN BUKHARI OR MUSLIM IS AGAINST QURAN. . .JUST SAY 1 . .JUST 1

iamgenius:
Dont ask me why, arguing over simple matter lataaro. That is the work of Shaytaan.

AM N0T ARGUING WITH HIM. . he seems c0nfused and mis informed about islam . . he thinks jews and christians aint kafir, only ALLAH knows kafir and sufi is in islam. . . Korekt him. . MY BA3 IS LOW. .BYE.A