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Re: Innoson IVM 4×4 Carrier Is Not Manufactured In Nigeria. He Rebranded The Logos. by rainylad(f): 12:16pm On Sep 09, 2017
goldrushbooks:



Efi it is the other way round, tell your girls to stay off our nuts.They love our dragons like the thing is going off trend.


Odiegwu!!..so in yorubaland,women are the ones who woo and run after men?? : undecided.perhaps asks for their hand in marriage?..wonderful
Re: Innoson IVM 4×4 Carrier Is Not Manufactured In Nigeria. He Rebranded The Logos. by ernieboy(m): 12:18pm On Sep 09, 2017
FemiMaduka:
Could you spot the difference between these two space shuttles? One is a Russian 'Buran' and the other is an American 'Discovery'...they are both crafts forged by two dialectically-opposed nations staking claims to world leadership. Get knowledge bro!
actually bro if u look at both crafts they are different in design, they did not replicate each others design even though the underlying tech may be similar.
Re: Innoson IVM 4×4 Carrier Is Not Manufactured In Nigeria. He Rebranded The Logos. by ernieboy(m): 12:30pm On Sep 09, 2017
eeeeeee:

Thanks a lot.
The op is totally ignorant.

This is exactly how Holden an Australian car maker started.


Holden is one of the oldest names in the Australian car market, first as a body builder and assembler of various imported American cars, then as a carmaker in its own right from 1948. For much of the post-war period it was the market leader, but it's now moving from local manufacturer to importer. Holden manufactures the locally-designed Commodore Evoke, SV6, SS and Calais V6 and V8 sedans, wagons and Utes, and Caprice luxury sedan, assembles Cruze sedan and hatch, and imports Cruze wagon, Barina hatch, Trax and Captiva SUVs, and mid-sized Malibu sedan from Korea. The Astra hatch, Cascada convertible and Insignia sedan are built in Europe, and Colorado 7 SUV and Colorado utility from Thailand.

https://www.carsguide.com.au/holden
Below ia a holden captiva which is made by Holden australia vs a cheverolet captiva.
both Chevrolet and holden are subsidiaries of General Motors, so they are basically same companies.
Re: Innoson IVM 4×4 Carrier Is Not Manufactured In Nigeria. He Rebranded The Logos. by omoola007(m): 12:34pm On Sep 09, 2017
I don't know what the problem is. In manufacturing you can either do all in house or outsource all parts including design and assemble what you can do profitably in house. It takes time to become a developer of cars. You start by selling someone else car then you modify for your market. Lexus GX is 90% Toyota Prado. Although they are owned by the same parent company, they are considered different companies. And Target different market. Toyota is at least 70 years old. Third generation management innoson is first generation, he still has to build structure.

People forget or don't know that BMW started as a bicycle/motorcycle manufacturer. It's world war that forced them into making vehicles.

Take flat screen TV and phone for example there are only about 5 companies that manufacturer screens all others just design plastic that covers it and develop software that control.some even buy the software and just modify.

I truly believe in innoson. He has a chance to become a major force in manufacturing . My only gripe with him us his marketing. The company is just selling itself. They need to tell their story and convince Nigerians to try them out.

I am a Yoruba man an I support Innoson 100% . He is doing more than 95% of Nigerian of any tribe combined. I support effort and trying over shouting and criticism. Go out and do something even if you are putting button on ready made china imported shirt. You are adding more value than someone jutst importing and selling without adding anything. Employ one person, one day you will employ 100 then 10,000

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Re: Innoson IVM 4×4 Carrier Is Not Manufactured In Nigeria. He Rebranded The Logos. by BlackBaron: 12:34pm On Sep 09, 2017
#Everything is sadly viewed from an ethnic prism. If you are going to be foolish with less than ideal dimished IQ, pointless quoting me cos I won't answer.

Besides rebadging is a global practice. Honda Accord and Acura TSX are basically same. Only made in different countries.
The most important bit is Innoson does have licence to produce like any other in the past.
Re: Innoson IVM 4×4 Carrier Is Not Manufactured In Nigeria. He Rebranded The Logos. by Awoo88: 12:38pm On Sep 09, 2017
Xda59:


Honda producing pistons for toyota is an example of outsourcing just like the case of takata producing airbags, bosch producing spark plugs etc. and no one car manufacturer can produce every part of a car. Having said that, outsourcing is completely different from rebadging which is the production of an already existing car model with a different name and logo and with little or no actual engineering which innoson is into.
In car manufacturing business, people can have a design and sell it to who ever will pay for it and slap their name on it. They are models of cars you will find from deferent brand. The one we call Hummer bus is a typical example. Mistibushi and ford. Ford and acura. Honda crossuar has it has a similar car with ford tag. Innoson can buy design from any where and call it it own.
Re: Innoson IVM 4×4 Carrier Is Not Manufactured In Nigeria. He Rebranded The Logos. by ernieboy(m): 12:41pm On Sep 09, 2017
obailala:
Na wa! This isnt too good. The IVM truck is just a replica of the other pickup truck. If I have the capacity to produce and modify designs, why not just modify some of the basic designs to make it look unique?... IVM got this one wrong!
they didn't even put in any effort of their own and they are claiming manufacturers when they are doing exactly what other assembly plants do.

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Re: Innoson IVM 4×4 Carrier Is Not Manufactured In Nigeria. He Rebranded The Logos. by akigbemaru: 12:50pm On Sep 09, 2017
alaamword:
innoson ivm 4×4 carrier is not manufactured in Nigeria. Innoson rebranded the logos. I had high hopes in him.. bragging to my friend in Canada about innoson manufacturing cars.Buh kudos to him cause it's not easy to import and remove the car logos..
Re: Innoson IVM 4×4 Carrier Is Not Manufactured In Nigeria. He Rebranded The Logos. by julietm123: 12:51pm On Sep 09, 2017
Keep photoshopping you hear. You no get work.
2n2k:
Spot the difference...................
Re: Innoson IVM 4×4 Carrier Is Not Manufactured In Nigeria. He Rebranded The Logos. by akigbemaru: 12:51pm On Sep 09, 2017
Kufie:
I really don't know what the big deal is here. Opel/Vauxhall is sold in Australia as a Holden. Mercedes Benz Sprinter in America as a Dodge, Mitsubishi Spacewagon in America as a Seat, Mitsubishi L200 as a fiat fullback. Because it's Innoson, you're all going to criticize? SMH
Re: Innoson IVM 4×4 Carrier Is Not Manufactured In Nigeria. He Rebranded The Logos. by julietm123: 12:53pm On Sep 09, 2017
You knew what? Thought you guys said the truck was rubbish yesterday. SMH.
muller101:
I knew it
Re: Innoson IVM 4×4 Carrier Is Not Manufactured In Nigeria. He Rebranded The Logos. by akigbemaru: 12:53pm On Sep 09, 2017
omoola007:
I don't know what the problem is. In manufacturing you can either do all in house or outsource all parts including design and assemble what you can do profitably in house. It takes time to become a developer of cars. You start by selling someone else car then you modify for your market. Lexus GX is 90% Toyota Prado. Although they are owned by the same parent company, they are considered different companies. And Target different market. Toyota is at least 70 years old. Third generation management innoson is first generation, he still has to build structure.

People forget or don't know that BMW started as a bicycle/motorcycle manufacturer. It's world war that forced them into making vehicles.

Take flat screen TV and phone for example there are only about 5 companies that manufacturer screens all others just design plastic that covers it and develop software that control.some even buy the software and just modify.

I truly believe in innoson. He has a chance to become a major force in manufacturing . My only gripe with him us his marketing. The company is just selling itself. They need to tell their story and convince Nigerians to try them out.

I am a Yoruba man an I support Innoson 100% . He is doing more than 95% of Nigerian of any tribe combined. I support effort and trying over shouting and criticism. Go out and do something even if you are putting button on ready made china imported shirt. You are adding more value than someone jutst importing and selling without adding anything. Employ one person, one day you will employ 100 then 10,000
Re: Innoson IVM 4×4 Carrier Is Not Manufactured In Nigeria. He Rebranded The Logos. by Mynd44: 3:10pm On Sep 09, 2017
Smh
Re: Innoson IVM 4×4 Carrier Is Not Manufactured In Nigeria. He Rebranded The Logos. by princetom1(m): 4:39pm On Sep 09, 2017
EgunMogaji, Kingreign, Lexusgs430, mili3kid, aieromon, diportivo, cardoctor, davodyguy, LeJeun3, Shagati, GAZZUZZ, nurey, timifakay Shey una dey enjoy this drama?
The picture bellow got me rolling dou not totally fair grin cheesy grin

Re: Innoson IVM 4×4 Carrier Is Not Manufactured In Nigeria. He Rebranded The Logos. by Lexusgs430: 4:41pm On Sep 09, 2017
princetom1:
EgunMogaji, Kingreign, Lexusgs430, mili3kid, aieromon, diportivo, cardoctor, davodyguy, LeJeun3, Shagati, GAZZUZZ, timifakay Shey una dey enjoy this drama?
The picture bellow got me rolling dou not totally fair grin cheesy grin

Are they welding a table?
Re: Innoson IVM 4×4 Carrier Is Not Manufactured In Nigeria. He Rebranded The Logos. by princetom1(m): 4:48pm On Sep 09, 2017
Lexusgs430:


Are they welding a table?

No sir, i hear it's chassis grin
Re: Innoson IVM 4×4 Carrier Is Not Manufactured In Nigeria. He Rebranded The Logos. by kechywillz(m): 10:08pm On Sep 09, 2017
Op u just took ur timr to ruin another man's business, what will you benefit from this? Nothing,na ur type dey collect beating for hostel for loose tongue
Re: Innoson IVM 4×4 Carrier Is Not Manufactured In Nigeria. He Rebranded The Logos. by FemiMaduka(m): 3:06am On Sep 10, 2017
ernieboy:

they didn't even pit in any effort of their own and they are claiming manufacturers qhn they are doing exactly what other assembly plants do.
Funny though, if it was in that same China that you lot decided to embark on this destructive criticism, you guys would have been locked up by the Communist government with charges looking more like treason or you guys could have been labelled foreign spies working to undermine the Chinese people (rightly or wrongly). Anyway, this is Nigeria. Many people don't know that the IVM is actually a subsidiary of a group - The Innoson Group of Companies. The Innoson Group has subsidiaries that manufacture tyres and tubes, industrial grade plastic and other plastic fittings ( understood to be the largest in Nigeria), motorcycle and parts (the Kano Hisbah uses Innoson motorcycles), tricycles, electric meters and accessories (my prepaid meter is made by Innoson tech. ltd.) and other numerous range of products. These web of subsidiaries feed the IVM with locally made parts in the production of their vehicles. They get their cables from Cortix Ltd (the No1 of its kind in Nigeria), etc...The company claims that as high as 70% of their requirements at IVM is met locally with the exception of the engines and transmission assembly which are outsourced to Mitsubishi (or so). You are a witness to the fact that the IVM was able to reverse-engineer the brake assembly of the alpha jet in the NAF inventory (how could a 'rebadging company' pull off that feet?). Though the IVM commenced operation in 1995 as a vehicle assembly company, it however veered into manufacturing in the year 2009. If you guys had any shame at all, you should have been happy that a private individual had the temerity to go into the world of automobile manufacturing in Nigeria; in view of the fact that a Nigeria of roughly 180M heads could not even run Steyr in Bauchi, PAN in Kaduna, Volks wagen in Lagos and ANAMMCO in the east. If Nigeria had been able to run the ASC in Ajaokuta would the IVM not be making its engines? No, guys like you ran the GAZPROM-built Ajaokuta steel complex aground; same to the Booker McConnell-built Nigerian Sugar Company in Bacita; the Jebba Paper Mills in Jebba and a host of others. At a time as this, where a foreign government has demonstrated unusual confidence in the production process at IVM by placing an order for 400+ vehicles, myopic guys like you are hell-bent on condemning us to further slavery to Euro-Asian/American economies through their MB, Honda, Hyundai, Toyota, Ford etc...You guys should be rounded up and SHOT for treason and subterfuge!

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Re: Innoson IVM 4×4 Carrier Is Not Manufactured In Nigeria. He Rebranded The Logos. by ernieboy(m): 7:32am On Sep 10, 2017
FemiMaduka:
Funny though, if it was in that same China that you lot decided to embark on this destructive criticism, you guys would have been locked up by the Communist government with charges looking more like treason or you guys could have been labelled foreign spies working to undermine the Chinese people (rightly or wrongly). Anyway, this is Nigeria. Many people don't know that the IVM is actually a subsidiary of a group - The Innoson Group of Companies. The Innoson Group has subsidiaries that manufacture tyres and tubes, industrial grade plastic and other plastic fittings ( understood to be the largest in Nigeria), motorcycle and parts (the Kano Hisbah uses Innoson motorcycles), tricycles, electric meters and accessories (my prepaid meter is made by Innoson tech. ltd.) and other numerous range of products. These web of subsidiaries feed the IVM with locally made parts in the production of their vehicles. They get their cables from Cortix Ltd (the No1 of its kind in Nigeria), etc...The company claims that as high as 70% of their requirements at IVM is met locally with the exception of the engines and transmission assembly which are outsourced to Mitsubishi (or so). You are a witness to the fact that the IVM was able to reverse-engineer the brake assembly of the alpha jet in the NAF inventory (how could a 'rebadging company' pull off that feet?). Though the IVM commenced operation in 1995 as a vehicle assembly company, it however veered into manufacturing in the year 2009. If you guys had any shame at all, you should have been happy that a private individual had the temerity to go into the world of automobile manufacturing in Nigeria; in view of the fact that a Nigeria of roughly 180M heads could not even run Steyr in Bauchi, PAN in Kaduna, Volks wagen in Lagos and ANAMMCO in the east. If Nigeria had been able to run the ASC in Ajaokuta would the IVM not be making its engines? No, guys like you ran the GAZPROM-built Ajaokuta steel complex aground; same to the Booker McConnell-built Nigerian Sugar Company in Bacita; the Jebba Paper Mills in Jebba and a host of others. At a time as this, where a foreign government has demonstrated unusual confidence in the production process at IVM by placing an order for 400+ vehicles, myopic guys like you are hell-bent on condemning us to further slavery to Euro-Asian/American economies through their MB, Honda, Hyundai, Toyota, Ford etc...You guys should be rounded up and SHOT for treason and subterfuge!
so people should be shot because they dare to call out your copycat manufacturer? let them come up with their own design or at least modify the generic design they bought from a little known Chinese auto maker to give a unique identity that befits a brand.

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Re: Innoson IVM 4×4 Carrier Is Not Manufactured In Nigeria. He Rebranded The Logos. by princetom1(m): 7:33am On Sep 10, 2017
FemiMaduka:
Funny though, if it was in that same China that you lot decided to embark on this destructive criticism, you guys would have been locked up by the Communist government with charges looking more like treason or you guys could have been labelled foreign spies working to undermine the Chinese people (rightly or wrongly). Anyway, this is Nigeria. Many people don't know that the IVM is actually a subsidiary of a group - The Innoson Group of Companies. The Innoson Group has subsidiaries that manufacture tyres and tubes, industrial grade plastic and other plastic fittings ( understood to be the largest in Nigeria), motorcycle and parts (the Kano Hisbah uses Innoson motorcycles), tricycles, electric meters and accessories (my prepaid meter is made by Innoson tech. ltd.) and other numerous range of products. These web of subsidiaries feed the IVM with locally made parts in the production of their vehicles. They get their cables from Cortix Ltd (the No1 of its kind in Nigeria), etc...The company claims that as high as 70% of their requirements at IVM is met locally with the exception of the engines and transmission assembly which are outsourced to Mitsubishi (or so). You are a witness to the fact that the IVM was able to reverse-engineer the brake assembly of the alpha jet in the NAF inventory (how could a 'rebadging company' pull off that feet?). Though the IVM commenced operation in 1995 as a vehicle assembly company, it however veered into manufacturing in the year 2009. If you guys had any shame at all, you should have been happy that a private individual had the temerity to go into the world of automobile manufacturing in Nigeria; in view of the fact that a Nigeria of roughly 180M heads could not even run Steyr in Bauchi, PAN in Kaduna, Volks wagen in Lagos and ANAMMCO in the east. If Nigeria had been able to run the ASC in Ajaokuta would the IVM not be making its engines? No, guys like you ran the GAZPROM-built Ajaokuta steel complex aground; same to the Booker McConnell-built Nigerian Sugar Company in Bacita; the Jebba Paper Mills in Jebba and a host of others. At a time as this, where a foreign government has demonstrated unusual confidence in the production process at IVM by placing an order for 400+ vehicles, myopic guys like you are hell-bent on condemning us to further slavery to Euro-Asian/American economies through their MB, Honda, Hyundai, Toyota, Ford etc...You guys should be rounded up and SHOT for treason and subterfuge!

Who are we to belive? You that tried to link the missing pieces together or the company that the CKD came from in china?
You guys are not even getting what we saying, nobody is trying to ruin him down or what's over bt simple, let him stop lieing. He simply assemble vehicles, he does not even have a single. R and D not to talk of design team. The picture below says it all.
Modified : when u bring in CKD, don't u know u are still slave to Asia? Check ur facts well

Re: Innoson IVM 4×4 Carrier Is Not Manufactured In Nigeria. He Rebranded The Logos. by FemiMaduka(m): 8:47am On Sep 10, 2017
princetom1:


Who are we to belive? You that tried to link the missing pieces together or the company that the CKD came from in china?
You guys are not even getting what we saying, nobody is trying to ruin him down or what's over bt simple, let him stop lieing. He simply assemble vehicles, he does not even have a single. R and D not to talk of design team. The picture below says it all.
Modified : when u bring in CKD, don't u know u are still slave to Asia? Check ur facts well
Bro, I have no personal interest whatsoever save the fact that it's happening in Nigeria and I hope you understand that my condemnation is directed not at your person(s) but rather at the ill-conceived criticism. Well, someday, you guys might get to have a chance to correct the wrong notion either by stumbling on some experience or even having a go at their facility in Nnewi. In the mean time, cure yourselves of the believe that auto-manufacturing is some nuclear science inaccessible to a black-African company. I hope you know a company (Katanka or so) in Ghana manufactures vehicles, and even in some few other African countries. It's no longer as exclusive as you guys think. I'll leave you with this: in life, don't ever assume people don't know what you know! A lot of teams have been at their plant - the Nigerian military, cooperate bodies, foreign delegations etc - and they all agreed those vehicles carry a substantial percent of locally made parts as to justify its made-in-Nigeria tag. Well, you are free to believe that you are more enlightened than these lots...it's free! Goodluck!

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Re: Innoson IVM 4×4 Carrier Is Not Manufactured In Nigeria. He Rebranded The Logos. by Nobody: 10:09am On Sep 10, 2017
I'd like to see a picture of this Innoson man's face. Or is he an apparition? A symbol of an entire region's disingenuity?
Re: Innoson IVM 4×4 Carrier Is Not Manufactured In Nigeria. He Rebranded The Logos. by princetom1(m): 10:21am On Sep 10, 2017
FemiMaduka:
Bro, I have no personal interest whatsoever save the fact that it's happening in Nigeria and I hope you understand that my condemnation is directed not at your person(s) but rather at the ill-conceived criticism. Well, someday, you guys might get to have a chance to correct the wrong notion either by stumbling on some experience or even having a go at their facility in Nnewi. In the mean time, cure yourselves of the believe that auto-manufacturing is some nuclear science inaccessible to a black-African company. I hope you know a company (Katanka or so) in Ghana manufactures vehicles, and even in some few other African countries. It's no longer as exclusive as you guys think. I'll leave you with this: in life, don't ever assume people don't know what you know! A lot of teams have been at their plant - the Nigerian military, cooperate bodies, foreign delegations etc - and they all agreed those vehicles carry a substantial percent of locally made parts as to justify its made-in-Nigeria tag. Well, you are free to believe that you are more enlightened than these lots...it's free! Goodluck!

Thank u sir. Being able to comprehend ish is a whole lot different game. Lemme ask u then, since the original designer of the innoson vehicles said its a CKD they brought to Nigeria, which evidence again can convince u. I don't just follow the crowd, i study to understand facts, not the half baked teams that goes to that Yard and called it whatever.
Re: Innoson IVM 4×4 Carrier Is Not Manufactured In Nigeria. He Rebranded The Logos. by EzeeYFB(m): 2:36pm On Sep 10, 2017
Xda59:


This is not a question of copy as far as I am concerned but an agreement with an auto manufacturer in china to produce an already existing car model with the IVM logo and name which is then assembled in nnewi. It is called rebadge engineering which is different from outsourcing because little or no actual engineering took place and don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with it as there are a lot of rebadge engineered autos out there. I am just not comfortable with the claim that 70% of the cars are being manufactured locally.
I see your point, true

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