mazaje:

Why do theist believe that they are more moral than non theist? Is there ANY evidence to show that human's get their morals from any deity?. . . .I say this because theist keep deluding themselves into thinking that they have some moral superiority above non theist. They have this deluded and ridiculous belief that atheism = evil and that being religious= being a good person. I have my reasons for their behaviour but I just want to listen to the opinions of others. . . . . . .

mazaje:

Why do SOME theist believe that they are more moral than SOME non theist? Is there ANY evidence to show that human's get their morals from any deity?. . . .I say this because SOME theist keep deluding themselves into thinking that they have some moral superiority above SOME non theist. They have this deluded and ridiculous belief that atheism = evil and that being religious= being a good person. I have my reasons for SOME of their behaviour but I just want to listen to the opinions of others. . . . . . .

viaro:

Hello mazaje, . . how's life treating you?

Don't you think that the atheist who thinks others are deluding themselves is himself actually showing his morality? What is morality anyway? How does your morality spring from anything other than atheism?

The way I see it, it does not take a particular worldview to say that others are deluded. Both theists and atheists continue to trade this kind of comments against one another - and at the end of the day, the real issues are not actually looked at. I think everyone is just trying to give his or her position a soothing balm when they slag off others as deluded or ridiculous (and yes, I have seen quite a lot of atheists congratulating themselves on the notion that they are smarter, brighter, better, etc., while theists in their view are all deluded and ridiculous - or even worse). The party never ends.

MyJoe:

Hello mazaje. Trust you are doing great.

It can be argued that the fact that religious people are not necessarily more moral than the non-religious, including atheists, is paradoxical. Religions are supposed to be fountains from which spring moral instructions, hence the plainly misguided view that atheists who are perceived to be groping in the dark, as they lack this source of moral instruction, are necessarily immoral. The present situation in the word can be seen as an indictment, either of religious people or the religions of themselves.

mazaje:

What else will you call people that keep making conclusions that are wrong and still feel they are right? I call them deluded. And its TRUE. . . . . .

JeSoul:

Hey Maz. There. I've fixed your post for you. Now you're 100% right. You'll be receiving a bill in the mail.

mazaje:

Why do theist believe that they are more moral than non theist? Is there ANY evidence to show that human's get their morals from any deity?. . . .I say this because theist keep deluding themselves into thinking that they have some moral superiority above non theist. They have this deluded and ridiculous belief that atheism = evil and that being religious= being a good person. I have my reasons for their behaviour but I just want to listen to the opinions of others. . . . . . .

Krayola:

An atheists claims "there is no God" because theists can't prove there is one. A more honest and accurate claim, IMO, would be "I don't believe a God exists". For you to go on and make conclusions that you can not show to be correct, IMO, certifies u as DELUDED!! How do you plead?

mazaje:

Life is treating me good. Thanks

What do you call some one who believes in things that are not true but keeps saying that they are true?

I KNOW so many theist that really really believe that atheist are immoral and evil(I have argued with them a couple of time before).

I was once a theist before and I have attended religious programs where clerics openly gloat and encourage people to believe in god because that belief will help them lead moral lives and castigate unbelievers for their unbelief which leads to immoral lifestyle, in fact believers are often advised to stay away from unbelievers because they are walking embodiment of lust, crime and all kinds of wrong doing. There are so many theist who believe that atheist are immoral. That is a FACT and since their beliefs can NOT be supported at all with any evidence, I will not be wrong if I call them deluded, because they really are.

What else will you call people that keep making conclusions that are wrong and still feel they are right? I call them deluded. And its TRUE. . . . . .

Krayola:

An atheists claims "there is no God" because theists can't prove there is one. A more honest and accurate claim, IMO, would be "I don't believe a God exists". For you to go on and make conclusions that you can not show to be correct, IMO, certifies u as DELUDED!! How do you plead?

mazaje:

If you make a claim that you can't prove how then do you expect any body to take you seriously?

davidylan:

What do you understand by morality? Where does it come from? Thin air?

viaro:

An agnostic pleads neither here nor there - a most deluded free-lance position, IMO. If you show me the empirical evidence of any free-lancer, you're still pleading delusion. So, how do you plead??

mazaje:

I will refer to morality as codes of conduct or social and cultural mores that differentiates between right and wrong in every human society. Morality MUST be learnt, it evolved and is still evolving.

Krayola:

haha. An agnostic, IMO, does not seek to make assertions about the objectively unverifiable. He/she just observes the madness 

viaro:

The point is that morality didn't come from thin air. The question of morality evolving is a moot point - we all know that no moral ethic remains rigid through history. The basic questions are not the evolving ethics, but their origin.

mazaje:

And what is the origin of morality?

mazaje:

And what is the origin of morality?

Krayola:

mazaje link=topic=407380.msg5621323#msg5621323 date=1267633479:

And what is the origin of morality?

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mazaje:

^^

Is that Zeus or Yahweh?

viaro:

^^ You're getting closer, bro.

viaro:

Everyone has his or her subjective inference to that question - the theist as well the atheist. I believe morality did not originate entirely from matter on its own; and only intelligence in living beings could be responsible for the trace back to origins of any morality. Again, that is just my subjective view - it does not mean it answers the question in its entirety satisfactorily.

Krayola:

Wrong cloud? or Closer to madness?

Krayola:

That is Krayola, God of morals.

mazaje:

And what is the origin of morality?

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davidylan:

i thot you could provide an answer.

mazaje:

Humans are the creators of human morality, Humans choose to accept or create what they consider to be acceptable or unacceptable moral codes of conduct.

davidylan:

Dont you think that's being evasive? Would it be "moral" for cannibals who considered eating their enemies a good thing?

mazaje:

It would be "moral" for them if they convinced themselves and provided justifications to show that their actions were right. That is why I said morality is NOT objective and varies from society to society.