Grupo:


You know what? As long as Nigeria remains one against the wish of the Igbos, the Igbos will continue to buy your father's land, build on it and turn you into their tenants.

False premise. All land is vested in the state governments, except few that is under the FG by law and acquisition. You can only lease the land for 99 years, after which the land reverts back to the state governments, unless the lease is renewed.

sinkhole:
Chaiii, you beat me to this question

Knew of Calabar but not Lokoja!

olaboy33:
In 1975, with good intentions, Gen. Murtala Mohammed appointed a 7 man committee led by justice Akinola Aguda (Tai Solarin was a member ) to examine the dual role of Lagos as a federal and state capital and recommend a suitable alternative for a federal capital which will belong to every Nigerian and won't be cited within one of the three major ethnic groups and it's name won't be affiliated with any ethnic group.

After Murtala was killed, the names suggested by the committee was abandoned and it was named "Abuja" - A name in an existing Northern emirate capital.

The whole concept of a new FCT as a symbol of our unity and nationhood was completely assassinated and buried.

What are the initial names suggested by the committee before it was changed to "Abuja"

davodyguy:

Lol.

I'm back oo.

My next stop is Malaysia and Singapore, but we are praying that God should bless us more so we can be able to afford it.

The 'street is not smiling oo'

Shey I talk am?
Hope you don't want to discover your own country ooo.?
Life first, hopefully God go do the rest.

Godspeed.

GloriaNinja:
THERE IS LESS POPULATION IN ABUJA

Not anymore �

Good decission

Omosorire:


What are the initial names suggested by the committee before it was changed to "Abuja"

Thank You for that question.

We want to learn here.

wirinet:

False premise. All land is vested in the state governments, except few that is under the FG by law and acquisition. You can only lease the land for 99 years, after which the land reverts back to the state governments, unless the lease is renewed.

What does it take to renew lease?
If I own your land for 99yrs, I no try?
Add my age plus 99yrs.

Go and buy your own and stop hating.
Haba!

No nation puts their capital in a Coastal area like Lagos it's dangerous! A possible military invasion might happen ,and Lagos at it's strategic position will be destroyed easily. Imagine invading a country and you capture and destroy the capital first it's a disgrace.Abuja is in the middle that's why it's CAPITAL. There is no tribal motive behind it ,it's just common sense.Do you know a feirce enemy with strong Navy and military hardware's can even SINK Lagos? Whoever shifted the CAPITAL was a Genius! It would not have even be wise to allow the capital be in the coastal city of CALABAR either.

The main reason the capital was moved from Lagos was mainly security. Security of the government against coups and security of the country against foreign invasion.
The seat of government Dondan Barracks and State house (marina) were security nightmares. It was very prone to coups as it is surrounded by Two major Barracks - Bonny camp and Dodan Barracks. All a soldier has to do to overthrow the government was to take control of the two Barracks in a lightening strike.

Another major disadvantage of Lagos as the seat of government is that it is too close to the sea. An advanced navy could sneak into the marina with a submarine undetected and overthrow the government with special forces, while an aircraft carrier wait off the coast to begin a full invasion. An invasion could be carried out within a few hours. Remember, Saddam Hussain sacked the Kuwaiti seat of government within 12 hours of invasion.

Another problem with Lagos was that it was easy to isolate the seat of government from the rest of the country. Just blow up the bridges that connect the Lagos island from the mainland and the government would be isolated. It would be impossible to bring in troops to repel an attack on the seat of government.

Funny how Lagos is even more overcrowded after.

In terms of military Aggression and war from neighbouring countries Lagos stand a chance of being quickly overrun from the sea and land, To capture Abuja during war would not be easy as the states surrounding Abuja are heavily militarized, Niger, Kogi, Nasarawa, and Kaduna, this is one of main reason the capital was moved to Abuja.

gaetano:
The poster above have said it. In addition, they displaced ethnic nationalities of Abuja to build a capital there. The first ever building erected in the capital was the NATIONAL MOSQUE �

National mosque is a private property. Both muslims and Christians were allocated land at the same time. The muslims mobilised funds and built the national mosque. Christians kept bickering and never built anything for decades.

baralatie:
why was the capital moved from calabar to lagos and why was it moved from lokoja to calabar

Security reasons.

wirinet:
The main reason the capital was moved from Lagos was mainly security. Security of the government against coups and security of the country against foreign invasion.
The seat of government Dondan Barracks and State house (marina) were security nightmares. It was very prone to coups as it is surrounded by Two major Barracks - Bonny camp and Dodan Barracks. All a soldier has to do to overthrow the government was to take control of the two Barracks in a lightening strike.

Another major disadvantage of Lagos as the seat of government is that it is too close to the sea. An advanced navy could sneak into the marina with a submarine undetected and overthrow the government with special forces, while an aircraft carrier wait off the coast to begin a full invasion. An invasion could be carried out within a few hours. Remember, Saddam Hussain sacked the Kuwaiti seat of government within 12 hours of invasion.

Another problem with Lagos was that it was easy to isolate the seat of government from the rest of the country. Just blow up the bridges that connect the Lagos island from the mainland and the government would be isolated. It would be impossible to bring in troops to repel an attack on the seat of government.

brilliant analysis

wirinet:

False premise. All land is vested in the state governments, except few that is under the FG by law and acquisition. You can only lease the land for 99 years, after which the land reverts back to the state governments, unless the lease is renewed.

i think the igbos are smatter than this, an igbo man will not hold the land lease for so long, they would have sold off the land before 99 years , and if the 99 years were to apply , there will be loss of land of the indigenes too .

Thank you for bringing it up anyway , this means the whole of London central would have been declared vacant , or did the orignal lease owner buy the lease again for a little token ?

sassysure:


What does it take to renew lease?
If I own your land for 99yrs, I no try?
Add my age plus 99yrs.

Go and buy your own and stop hating.
Haba!

You guys love bandying the word hate around. You guys are the one that hate everybody else and it's you guys that shout hate, when presented with facts.

Renewal of lease is at the discretion of the state government. Besides, governments can acquire or seize lands for its use, it is only required to pay conpensation for your remaining lease.

bros.....so many olodos on the forum? the youths; future of our country doesn't know d reason, chaiii?

they won't know....just as u've said, they're filled with tribalism.

U are a bigger olodos sef.
What has Doesn't got to do with youths?

The panel as brilliant as it was had terms of reference to adhere to. Who know know how meat disappers from the mouth. When they want to do their dirty work, they put southerner as the head of the panel with his hands tight. Same thing is happening now but because majority if us are not children of Isaaca, they do not understand the signs of time. Thank you n good morning.

very nice

wirinet:


You guys love bandying the word hate around. You guys are the one that hate everybody else and it's you guys that shout hate, when presented with facts.

Renewal of lease is at the discretion of the state government. Besides, governments can acquire or seize lands for its use, it is only required to pay conpensation for your remaining lease.

gbam u jas shot the land grabbers

baralatie:
why was the capital moved from calabar to lagos and why was it moved from lokoja to calabar

stop bin dramatic joor... those were "unofficial capitals"

Bullshit. The corrupt leaders were not willing to expand Lagos. The Lekki of Today could have been built then so don't talk about expansion.

Omosorire:


What are the initial names suggested by the committee before it was changed to "Abuja"

It wasn't made public after Obasanjo took over.

johnmattew:
dumb..ask yourself why Brazil moved it's capital to Brasilia and why Indonesia is do u ng the same

I wouldn't know about Brazil but in the case of Indonesia, the major reason for the relocation of the capital city was due mainly to coastal erosion and overpopulation. The country needed a new land that has a higher meter above sea level

kettykin:


i think the igbos are smatter than this, an igbo man will not hold the land lease for so long, they would have sold off the land before 99 years , and if the 99 years were to apply , there will be loss of land of the indigenes too .

Thank you for bringing it up anyway , this means the whole of London central would have been declared vacant , or did the orignal lease owner buy the lease again for a little token ?

I was just correcting the impression (rather boasting), that igbos own 80% of the land in Abuja. They can own the house, but they cannot own the land.

Let me school you a bit;
The Crown is the only absolute owner of land in England and Wales. Hence, when you buy land/property what you are really buying is the title, not the land. This is also why ownership is ultimately determined by the land registry and not simply based on a sales contract.

femi4:
you still don't get it. He made the move for ulterior motive.

There are 'reasons" for doing something, the sort of reson you tell the world, the sort of reason teh Northerners fed the "masses" and that reason is what you will find on the internet.

Just like RUGA, "reasons" where given, the kind of "reasons" the want the masses to hear, the kind of reasons that "Maggas" would hear and say 'It makes sense'!
But as a result of events that have been happening and still happening, people of South of Nigeria (SS, SW, SE and Middle Belt), know that those reasons are nothing but COVER-UP for the real reason, which they would not state OPENLY.
RUGA was sold to us with reasons like - improve cattle breeding, increase meat production, reduce the slaughter of farmers, by Fulani herdsmen, e.t.c.
All the above sound really nice and beautiful, just like those reasons about moveing of the Capital to Abuja.

But People of Southern Nigeria who have sense and can see beyond their nose, know that the "REAL BUT UNSTATED REASON" for RUGA, is to STEAL LAND from indigenes of South of Nigeria and give it to Foreign Fulanis that Buhari IMPORTED from neighbouring African countries, so that "the Fulani as a tribe" may have a sizeable if not overwhelming population in a Nigeria where national Resources are shared based on LGA and the LGA is created based on contrived population figures!
That reason, you will never see anywhere but that is the real reason RUGA was and is being foisted on Nigerians, in various guises as of today.

Movement of the capital to Abujais not just for the stated reasons (size, security,etc. Infact, if you check those reasons as of today, you will see that even Lagos fares better than Abuja. for example, in terms of security, lagos is far-far safer than Abuja, as of today. How many kidnappings have we had in Abuja? how many bombings have we had in Abuja, compared to Lagos? Abuja is a growing shanty, with so many unplanned developments and many of the initial blueprint have been violated by "big men"

The UNSTATED, REAL REASONS include but not limited to;
- Moving the seat of Power to a Northern-dominated town located in the "Geographical North" (dont forget that anything above the River Niger-Benue confluence is considered "Northerner" .
- Northern Military leaders felt UNSAFE in Lagos (the purge of 1964, the incessant Coups, the dominance of Southerners in Lagos, e.t.c) and wanted to move the Capital to a territory they know better and feel safer
- It is to be used as an excuse to rapidly develop the North, using Money looted form the South
- Dodan barracks is considered too exposed and known by everyone in the military. IBB especially, wanted to build a "maze" for himself, such that only he will know the 'fox-holes' in the maze and can make a quick get-away, if need be (Recall that Aso Rock and IBB's Minna mansion was built by Julius Berger (yes, even his private house!) and information on good ground has it that all the local Artisans (Bricklayers. Carpenters, Plumbers, e.t.c) who worked on both Structures were killed immediately they finished their job because they were considered "security risk" by IBB. They know too much about the structure they worked on. )
If you notice, No President has been killed by a Coup since the Capital was moved to Abuja, they either die by themselves or die somewhere else but not through the hands of a third party).
- Northern leaders are very "scheming" and because they are united in one voice, they are always planning ahead.
Unlike their Southern Nigeria counterparts (SE, SW, SS and Middle Belt to some extent) who are well educated and enlightened but apart from antagonising each other, they always try to "reason issues" logical and with sense.
So, when the Northern leaders are implementinga strategic 30year plan, while "floating a kite", in form of a seeming genuine reason, the People of Sotuh of Nigeria generally take such given reasons on FACE VALUE, debate it LOGOCALLY and get fooled about the real intentions of the Northerner.
This is why l say the average Northerner is extremely MORE CUNNING and FOCUSED than any Southerner can be, despite the lack of formal education, comapred to the Southerners.

Look at Buhari for example, Southerners has been saying he is slow, he is a Sudanese, he is this, he is that.
But look at the way he is meticulously developing the North, developing all their Roads, finished all their Rail system and even extending it to Niger and other neighbouring countries, (While just the Lagos-Ibadan road is yet to be completed in almost five years, the Rail from lagis to Ibadan has stopped in Ogun state since almost one year ago), developing agriculture in the North, using South's Oil revenue, while nothing is done to farmers in the South of Nigeria.
Go and find out how much Buhari has spent on looking for crude Oil in the North's Chad basin (even when it is obvious that oil is going out of fashion), he has been wasting Oil revenues from the South on his Wild-Geese oil chase in the North meanwhile, ordinary Ogoni CleanUp has een a mirage since 2015.
If you ask him why he is doing all these, he will say "I am diversifying the economy of Nigeria". That is the STATED REASON.
That is the reason the Maggas in the South will be writing and reading on google

But the UNSTATED, REAL REASON is that he is planning for a situation where the Norh will call the shots, if Nigeria is to split, he is creating a situation where the South will have been pauperised so much and the North enrich so much, such that a breakup will be so unattractive to the Southerners (They will count their loss and conclude it is not worth it!).

So, if you keep believing Google for the Nigerian situation or you are using Brazil (which does not have the kind of unique tribal situation we have in Nigeria) to compare their movement of Capital to Brasilia...
You are just what the Northerners are calling you: Educated but not smart
In years to come, Southerners will come to realise how much damage Northerners, especially this Buhari we voted for, has done to Southern Nigeria. the Northern strategy has been ongoing since the days of Tafa Balewa, before the British gave us independence, wehn he said the north is not ready for independence yet because the Southerners are more educated than them, will occupy most of the positions and then demanded that the British hand-over Political Power to them, despite their level of illiteracy (Origins of Born to Rule)

Let me stop and allow criticisms from those who dont know what is going-on, apart from what they read on Google.

Excuzeme:


There are 'reasons" for doing something, the sort of reson you tell the world, the sort of reason teh Northerners fed the "masses" and that reason is what you will find on the internet.

Just like RUGA, "reasons" where given, the kind of "reasons" the want the masses to hear, the kind of reasons that "Maggas" would hear and say 'It makes sense'!
But as a result of events that have been happening and still happening, people of South of Nigeria (SS, SW, SE and Middle Belt), know that those reasons are nothing but COVER-UP for the real reason, which they would not state OPENLY.
RUGA was sold to us with reasons like - improve cattle breeding, increase meat production, reduce the slaughter of farmers, by Fulani herdsmen, e.t.c.
All the above sound really nice and beautiful, just like those reasons about moveing of the Capital to Abuja.

But People of Southern Nigeria who have sense and can see beyond their nose, know that the "REAL BUT UNSTATED REASON" for RUGA, is to STEAL LAND from indigenes of South of Nigeria and give it to Foreign Fulanis that Buhari IMPORTED from neighbouring African countries, so that "the Fulani as a tribe" may have a sizeable if not overwhelming population in a Nigeria where national Resources are shared based on LGA and the LGA is created based on contrived population figures!
That reason, you will never see anywhere but that is the real reason RUGA was and is being foisted on Nigerians, in various guises as of today.

Movement of the capital to Abujais not just for the stated reasons (size, security,etc. Infact, if you check those reasons as of today, you will see that even Lagos fares better than Abuja. for example, in terms of security, lagos is far-far safer than Abuja, as of today. How many kidnappings have we had in Abuja? how many bombings have we had in Abuja, compared to Lagos? Abuja is a growing shanty, with so many unplanned developments and many of the initial blueprint have been violated by "big men"

The UNSTATED, REAL REASONS include but not limited to;
- Moving the seat of Power to a Northern-dominated town located in the "Geographical North" (dont forget that anything above the River Niger-Benue confluence is considered "Northerner" .
- Northern Military leaders felt UNSAFE in Lagos (the purge of 1964, the incessant Coups, the dominance of Southerners in Lagos, e.t.c) and wanted to move the Capital to a territory they know better and feel safer
- It is to be used as an excuse to rapidly develop the North, using Money looted form the South
- Dodan barracks is considered too exposed and known by everyone in the military. IBB especially, wanted to build a "maze" for himself, such that only he will know the 'fox-holes' in the maze and can make a quick get-away, if need be (Recall that Aso Rock and IBB's Minna mansion was built by Julius Berger (yes, even his private house!) and information on good ground has it that all the local Artisans (Bricklayers. Carpenters, Plumbers, e.t.c) who worked on both Structures were killed immediately they finished their job because they were considered "security risk" by IBB. They know too much about the structure they worked on. )
If you notice, No President has been killed by a Coup since the Capital was moved to Abuja, they either die by themselves or die somewhere else but not through the hands of a third party).
- Northern leaders are very "scheming" and because they are united in one voice, they are always planning ahead.
Unlike their Southern Nigeria counterparts (SE, SW, SS and Middle Belt to some extent) who are well educated and enlightened but apart from antagonising each other, they always try to "reason issues" logical and with sense.
So, when the Northern leaders are implementinga strategic 30year plan, while "floating a kite", in form of a seeming genuine reason, the People of Sotuh of Nigeria generally take such given reasons on FACE VALUE, debate it LOGOCALLY and get fooled about the real intentions of the Northerner.
This is why l say the average Northerner is extremely MORE CUNNING and FOCUSED than any Southerner can be, despite the lack of formal education, comapred to the Southerners.

Look at Buhari for example, Southerners has been saying he is slow, he is a Sudanese, he is this, he is that.
But look at the way he is meticulously developing the North, developing all their Roads, finished all their Rail system and even extending it to Niger and other neighbouring countries, (While just the Lagos-Ibadan road is yet to be completed in almost five years, the Rail from lagis to Ibadan has stopped in Ogun state since almost one year ago), developing agriculture in the North, using South's Oil revenue, while nothing is done to farmers in the South of Nigeria.
Go and find out how much Buhari has spent on looking for crude Oil in the North's Chad basin (even when it is obvious that oil is going out of fashion), he has been wasting Oil revenues from the South on his Wild-Geese oil chase in the North meanwhile, ordinary Ogoni CleanUp has een a mirage since 2015.
If you ask him why he is doing all these, he will say "I am diversifying the economy of Nigeria". That is the STATED REASON.
That is the reason the Maggas in the South will be writing and reading on google

But the UNSTATED, REAL REASON is that he is planning for a situation where the Norh will call the shots, if Nigeria is to split, he is creating a situation where the South will have been pauperised so much and the North enrich so much, such that a breakup will be so unattractive to the Southerners (They will count their loss and conclude it is not worth it!).

So, if you keep believing Google for the Nigerian situation or you are using Brazil (which does not have the kind of unique tribal situation we have in Nigeria) to compare their movement of Capital to Brasilia...
You are just what the Northerners are calling you: Educated but not smart
In years to come, Southerners will come to realise how much damage Northerners, especially this Buhari we voted for, has done to Southern Nigeria. the Northern strategy has been ongoing since the days of Tafa Balewa, before the British gave us independence, wehn he said the north is not ready for independence yet because the Southerners are more educated than them, will occupy most of the positions and then demanded that the British hand-over Political Power to them, despite their level of illiteracy (Origins of Born to Rule)

Let me stop and allow criticisms from those who dont know what is going-on, apart from what they read on Google.

Well said

cc fergie001

southpole:
have you checked the fact? Go to AGIS in Abuja and check.

you think records of tribe who owns land is cptured in the C of O.. what a joke

baralatie:
why was the capital moved from calabar to lagos and why was it moved from lokoja to calabar

Calabar and Lokoja was never a capital of independent Nigeria.

Stop misinformation, early white colonialist move locations briefly from lokoja to calabar and finally Lagos to suit their economic interests. The white colonial masters uses Lagos as capital of Nigeria for more than 70 years before Nigeria independent.

The the British where just moving capital as they conquer territory, Lagos was annexed from Bini empire that is ruling over it as Eko in 1861.

wirinet:


You guys love bandying the word hate around. You guys are the one that hate everybody else and it's you guys that shout hate, when presented with facts.

Renewal of lease is at the discretion of the state government. Besides, governments can acquire or seize lands for its use, it is only required to pay conpensation for your remaining lease.

Who are the u guys?
Get your own land like others and stop hating.

Can't u be happy for your fellowman?

The people in govt have landed property scattered all over the country so what's the problem?
Is it now a bad thing to buy land?

wirinet:
The main reason the capital was moved from Lagos was mainly security. Security of the government against coups and security of the country against foreign invasion.
The seat of government Dondan Barracks and State house (marina) were security nightmares. It was very prone to coups as it is surrounded by Two major Barracks - Bonny camp and Dodan Barracks. All a soldier has to do to overthrow the government was to take control of the two Barracks in a lightening strike.

Another major disadvantage of Lagos as the seat of government is that it is too close to the sea. An advanced navy could sneak into the marina with a submarine undetected and overthrow the government with special forces, while an aircraft carrier wait off the coast to begin a full invasion. An invasion could be carried out within a few hours. Remember, Saddam Hussain sacked the Kuwaiti seat of government within 12 hours of invasion.

Another problem with Lagos was that it was easy to isolate the seat of government from the rest of the country. Just blow up the bridges that connect the Lagos island from the mainland and the government would be isolated. It would be impossible to bring in troops to repel an attack on the seat of government.

correct