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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 12:42pm On Sep 06, 2014
chris365: http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/williamsaundersonmeyer/2014/03/29/time-for-the-sandf-to-slim-down-and-shape-up/

It’s not a national secret that the South African National Defence Force (SANDF) is in serious trouble. Its barracks are unfit for human habitation, it has been haemorrhaging expertise and its soldiers teetered on the brink of mutiny in a protest march on the Union Buildings

So when the government’s leaked long-term military strategy review reports a “critical state of decline”, it’s merely stating what has been obvious for at least a decade. According to a study by Gerhard Louw of Stellenbosch University, drawing on the 2012 Defence Review, says the SANDF is“critically deficient in the skill, motivation, and ethos that is required to operate a ‘modern system’,” given that it has to “retain human resources that are no longer employable in an operational capacity, which exacerbates the DOD’s relentless exodus of technically skilled and professionally qualified personnel … average standards of military proficiency are therefore continuously decreasing”.

The defence review, which Reuters news agency this week quotes extensively from, has been accepted by the cabinet but not yet released. It states that even if urgent action were taken immediately, it would take at least a decade to remedy the neglect. What is needed is “massive investment”, with the defence budget potentially doubling from R14-billion last year to R40bn by 2014.

This, it says soothingly, is a mere 1% of gross domestic product (GDP), a ratio “well below” equivalent nations. In fact, should South Africa want to be truly safe, it should spend R116-billion a year, or 3.3% of GDP, on the military.

What a load of bollocks. What the SANDF needs is not simply more money, more matériel, and more men, but to start using existing resources better. The SANDF needs to slim down and shape up.

First, there’s the ballooning 97 000-strong muster. A modern military is not a retirement home at which to park one’s aged liberation war cadres who are no longer fit for purpose. South Africa has the oldest infantry troops in the world but the SANDF says it can conceive of no “humane exit mechanism” to thin its ranks.

Then there’s weaponry. Not surprisingly, the top brass and the defence contractors are at one that SA needs more “heavy-combat ability”, presumably tanks and attack helicopters. Unfortunately, the SANDF is already sitting with an array of expensive hardware that it cannot deploy, either because it lacks the skilled crews – hence 12 mothballed Gripen aircraft – or because it can’t afford the running costs.

That raises the use that these men and matériel are put to. The air force, for example, has been reduced to being a flying limousine service for African National Congress politicians. The government refuses to reveal the cost of flights by the president and the deputy-president on “security grounds”. However, it’s a fact that while the SAAF’s helicopter squadrons receive a generous allocation for VIP flights – last year the Durban-based 15 Squadron got 300 hours flying time to ferry the Zuma entourage to and from Nkandla – they get very little for training and nothing at all for sea and mountain rescue.

Finally, there is the extent of the SANDF’s mandate. The military’s first duty is to protect our borders. Anything else is not only a costly addition, but detracts from it being able to execute its primary function.

The government, however, is increasingly using the SANDF as an extension of diplomacy, to project power elsewhere in Africa. That’s a dangerous vortex. That’s a thankless task. Most critically, that’s futile – there are always more places to intervene and interests to protect than there is taxpayer money. Ask the citizens of the United States. So while the occasional humanitarian intervention might be a necessary and worthy undertaking, South African troops are being deployed far too readily and for far too long.

The review argues that the shift from securing territorial integrity to achieving diplomatic goals as a compelling reason for bigger budgets. At present levels of expenditure, “the military cannot underpin Pretoria’s diplomatic and commercial expansion in Africa … There must either be a greater budget allocation or a significantly scaled-down level of ambition and commitment”.

In case we don’t grasp the urgency, it warns: “Old colonial powers such as France, and new economic ones such as China, are flexing their muscles.” Americans, again, will recognise the threatening bogeyman tactic, the justification of every act of US military adventurism, stretching back at least a century.

The generals are naturally keen on the iron-hand-in-velvet-glove philosophy. It gives the troops battle experience and a chance to play – costs covered by the African Union or, more accurately, the United Nations – with expensive toys that otherwise would otherwise never be taken out of storage. They might even get to go with Big Daddy to buy more lekker goodies.

That’s all far more exciting than the simple but boring stuff that the SANDF command should actually do: improve morale, training and discipline. That would mean investing less in cutting-edge military technology and more in old-fashioned Sergeant-Majors.




I know sey some people go dey vex sey I don show grin



O look - an opinion peice not at all based on fact
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 12:44pm On Sep 06, 2014
agaugust:

Nope, numbers of that powerful Stealth warship to be built domestically in Nigeria is being negotiated for total of 8 units to be built at the new world class shipyard in Port Harcourt.

South Africa has NEVER even built one stealth speed boat talk less of a whole stealth warship, yet you obey 10 commandments forced on Jacob Zuma by new lords in China grin grin
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Nope you are only building 1

And it's not stealth

And the Chinese are building it for you- in Nigeria
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 12:47pm On Sep 06, 2014
chris365: SANDU accuses SANDF of unlawful threat and deployment of troops against SAPS



Media statement: SANDU is utterly dismayed at the reports from several soldiers and policemen in Oudtshoorn to our Head Office, of a certain Army general who, whilst allegedly intoxicated, unlawfully mobilised armed soldiers and armoured infantry fighting vehicles in order to free a senior ranking SANDF officer and several other soldiers, arrested in a police raid on a notorious illegal shebeen, in Bongilethu on Saturday night, from police custody.

SANDU is equally dismayed at the fact that the SANDF has up to now failed to take any measures to deal with the army General involved in what can only be described as military backed armed insurrection against the SAPS. In fact, even if steps are taken now, it would only be because this incident has been exposed in the media. We challenge the Chief of the SANDF to illustrate that management members are not treated differently from the ordinary rank and file, who often get suspended for alleged minor infringements. The force and speed with which the military management targeted the officers in the Guptagate affair, as opposed to the current lack of action, shows bias in favour of political expediency and party political interests.

SANDU is informed that soldiers in Oudtshoorn were warned by military authorities to remain silent about this incident or face disciplinary measures. We demand that the SANDF immediately suspends the general involved and investigate charges of intimidation and sedition against him. Clearly his conduct displays utter abuse of rank and the belief that he is above the law. In addition, his conduct illustrates that he cannot be trusted in a position of military authority and that he is irresponsible and dangerous, being in command of military personnel and equipment.

Should the SANDF fail to take steps against the general involved, SANDU will lay charges of sedition against him in the public interest and pursue the matter to its full finality.

Adv JG (Pikkie) GREEFF
NATIONAL SECRETARY: SANDU
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/content.php/8447-SANDU-accuses-SANDF-of-unlawful-threat-and-deployment-of-troops-against-SAPS

Hehehehehehehe.... Smouth afruka carefully hid this one from international eyes.. But not from me grin

It's an old story that has been discredited
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 12:49pm On Sep 06, 2014
@AUGUSTUS THESE HIGHWAYS ARE SPREAD ACROSS THE ENTIRE COUNTRY NOT ONLY IN JOHANNESBURG.....IT WILL TAKE NIGERIA 200 YEARS TO REACH THIS STAGE....WITH BILLIONS OF CHINESE INVESTMENTS AND LABOUR...SOUTH AFRICA HAS INVESTED 100 BILLION DOLLARS IN THE NEXT 8 YEARS TO UPGRADE AND BUILT NEW ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE...THAT WOULD FURTHER PUSH THE GAB BY ALMOST 150 YEARS

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 12:49pm On Sep 06, 2014
chris365: An HIV infested military. They'll just die before firing a bullet grin


Johannesburg - A case of two former SA National Defence Force recruits who lost their jobs allegedly because they were HIV-positive will be heard in the North Gauteng High Court in Pretoria on Tuesday.

"The two women recruits who had undergone two years of training did not have their contracts renewed after they tested HIV-positive," Section27 executive director Mark Heywood said in a statement.

The two applicants were joined by SA Security Forces Union and the SA National Defence Union.

"The applicants will argue through their lawyers at Section27 that the military's health classification discriminates against HIV-positive individuals through their refusal to admit them into their core service system and their military skills development system without taking into account individuals' state of health or their competency to perform their jobs," Heywood said.

He said the applicants would also argue that the SANDF had failed to deal with evidence from a study about HIV.

The study showed that an adult with HIV in South Africa who qualifies, medically, for anti-retroviral treatment, commenced treatment when his or her CD4 count was above 200 and had been adherent for a period of more than 24 months had a near normal life expectancy.

"Over 100 Treatment Action Campaign activists and union members are set to protest outside court," Heywood said.

All South Africans diagnosed with HIV or aids gets ARV's which means that they live long and healthy lives
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 12:50pm On Sep 06, 2014
agaugust:


South Africa is Africa's R.ape and M.urder paradise, sorry Nigeria does NOT want to reach your horrible standard. Thank you

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You exceed it by being the world terror capital
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 12:55pm On Sep 06, 2014
MEDUPI POWER STATION ...The project comprises six 800 megawatt (MW) units to be provide a total installed capacity of 4,800 MW installed capacity AND it would be the biggest dry-cooled power station in the world and would be switch on December 2014

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 1:03pm On Sep 06, 2014
@AUGUSTUS another Kusile Power Station (formerly known as the Bravo Power Station) in South Africa is a coal-fired power plant under construction by state electricity utility Eskom, about 15 kilometres north of the existing Kendal Power Station near Witbank, Mpumalanga.

It is expected that Kusile would consist of six 800 megawatt coal-fired generating units for a total generating capacity of 4,800 megawatts. Other reports state that the power station would have a total capacity of 5,400 megawatts and would be operational y December 2015....Kusile is the first South African power facility to incorporate wet flue gas desulphurisation (FGD) technology

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 1:10pm On Sep 06, 2014
@AUGUSTUS SEE BMW ASSEMBLY PLANT IN SOUTH AFRICA...THE PLANT ALSO SUPPLY THE WORLD MARKET

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 1:17pm On Sep 06, 2014
@AUGUSTUS VEHICLES BEING ASSEMBLE IN SOUTH AFRICA THEN SHIPPED TO THE WORLD MARKET....SEE RAIL BEING USED TO TRANSPORT CARS TO THE HARBOUR

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 1:39pm On Sep 06, 2014
Thiza: @AUGUSTUS NAME THE CITIES NOT ONLY ABUJA AND LAGOS.....I WILL B PUTTING TENS AND TENS OF SOUTH AFRICAN CITIES THAT ARE MORE THAN A SECTION YOU SELECT.......

Dude, Nigerians have better things to do with their time than living on photography.

The pictures I posted are all from different cities including Calabar.

I still have and keep Kaduna, Jos, Uyo, and rural areas with fantastic photos, but this is a military thread, so I wont go too far.

Lagos population is almost half of the whole South African nation, if I post Lagos, I have shown you a city of 22 million people !

A lot of beautiful rural areas of Nigeria is not photographed by anyone on internet.

Uyo is almost as beautiful as Lagos now, but very scarce photos.

Eko Atlantic city is under construction and very scarce photos.

If you see rocks and resorts in Jos you will marvel, but photos are scarce.

Then I don't want to turn this military thread into a social thread. I won't derail it.

Thanks.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by CraigB: 1:41pm On Sep 06, 2014
chris365: SANDU accuses SANDF of unlawful threat and deployment of troops against SAPS



Media statement: SANDU is utterly dismayed at the reports from several soldiers and policemen in Oudtshoorn to our Head Office, of a certain Army general who, whilst allegedly intoxicated, unlawfully mobilised armed soldiers and armoured infantry fighting vehicles in order to free a senior ranking SANDF officer and several other soldiers, arrested in a police raid on a notorious illegal shebeen, in Bongilethu on Saturday night, from police custody.

SANDU is equally dismayed at the fact that the SANDF has up to now failed to take any measures to deal with the army General involved in what can only be described as military backed armed insurrection against the SAPS. In fact, even if steps are taken now, it would only be because this incident has been exposed in the media. We challenge the Chief of the SANDF to illustrate that management members are not treated differently from the ordinary rank and file, who often get suspended for alleged minor infringements. The force and speed with which the military management targeted the officers in the Guptagate affair, as opposed to the current lack of action, shows bias in favour of political expediency and party political interests.

SANDU is informed that soldiers in Oudtshoorn were warned by military authorities to remain silent about this incident or face disciplinary measures. We demand that the SANDF immediately suspends the general involved and investigate charges of intimidation and sedition against him. Clearly his conduct displays utter abuse of rank and the belief that he is above the law. In addition, his conduct illustrates that he cannot be trusted in a position of military authority and that he is irresponsible and dangerous, being in command of military personnel and equipment.

Should the SANDF fail to take steps against the general involved, SANDU will lay charges of sedition against him in the public interest and pursue the matter to its full finality.

Adv JG (Pikkie) GREEFF
NATIONAL SECRETARY: SANDU
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/content.php/8447-SANDU-accuses-SANDF-of-unlawful-threat-and-deployment-of-troops-against-SAPS

Hehehehehehehe.... Smouth afruka carefully hid this one from international eyes.. But not from me grin

Hello Piggy.

Looks like the South Africans are beating you on the "let's brag about our countries" front.

You have no retort.

You have nothing worth bragging about...
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by CraigB: 1:47pm On Sep 06, 2014
agaugust:

You have never google searched for any good news about Nigeria, Hello Piggy kiss
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I have successfully bragged about SA, however. Because there's plenty to brag about.

Naai-geria on the other hand..? Bad news upon bad news.

Thiza has taken the firepower out of your brags. No Naai-gerian Tafelkop can match Thiza's posts today.
What how? Oh, I know! Piggy tactics.

Hello piggy the second.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 1:47pm On Sep 06, 2014
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Bama Battle Update :

Nigerian army k.ills 1,200 Boko Haram Fighters In 5 days

It is the mother of all battles

NAF jets and helicopters attack ALL Boko Haram bases simultaneously

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/09/boko-haram-jonathan-declares-full-scale-war-deploys-warplanes/

Africa's most experienced army gets angry o !

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by CraigB: 2:03pm On Sep 06, 2014
agaugust: .
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Bama Battle Update :

Nigerian army k.ills 1,200 Boko Haram Fighters In 5 days

It is the mother of all battles

NAF jets and helicopters attack ALL Boko Haram bases simultaneously

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/09/boko-haram-jonathan-declares-full-scale-war-deploys-warplanes/

Africa's most experienced army gets angry o !

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See, that's exactly where the problem is. Your military is full of emotions. Never professional tactics.

That's why it gets trashed by boko haram, who are better tacticians here.

Happy getting angry.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by CraigB: 2:04pm On Sep 06, 2014
agaugust:

Dude, Nigerians have better things to do with their time than living on photography.

The pictures I posted are all from different cities including Calabar.

I still have and keep Kaduna, Jos, Uyo, and rural areas with fantastic photos, but this is a military thread, so I wont go too far.

Lagos population is almost half of the whole South African nation, if I post Lagos, I have shown you a city of 22 million people !

A lot of beautiful rural areas of Nigeria is not photographed by anyone on internet.

Uyo is almost as beautiful as Lagos now, but very scarce photos.

Eko Atlantic city is under construction and very scarce photos.

If you see rocks and resorts in Jos you will marvel, but photos are scarce.

Then I don't want to turn this military thread into a social thread. I won't derail it.

Thanks.

Better things like what?

It's not like you're winning wars?
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by CraigB: 2:11pm On Sep 06, 2014
Thiza: @AUGUSTUS NOW YOU UNDERSTAND WHY THE WORLD COMES TO SOUTH AFRICA

According to the figures, South Africa outstripped the average global growth rate of about 4% as estimated by the UN World Tourism Organisation with strong year-on-year growth (33.7%) coming from Asia. Excluding Africa, which produced a 7.5% growth in tourists to South Africa last year, overseas tourist numbers rose by 15.1%, which was one of the highest growth rates in the world.

Tourism Minister Marthinus van Schalkwyk told journalists that the infrastructure put in place for the 2010 World Cup had stood South Africa in good stead and it now had good facilities. South Africa’s participation in the grouping of Brazil, Russia, India and China (Brics) also had the huge potential to boost tourism. They accounted for 330,834 of the international tourist numbers last year.

The growing importance of tourism to the economy was highlighted by Statistics South Africa data which showed that in 2011 the direct contribution of tourism to GDP rose by 5% to R84.3bn — well above the 3.1% growth in the economy in 2011-12. Domestic tourism expenditure expanded to R101bn in 2011 from R69bn in 2010.


Hahaha, I saw an article that the naai-gerian Tafelkoppe have turned to bird watching as a means of getting tourists?!

Really, dudes and dudettes?!

You know what's funny? A bird watching expert said no serious bird watchers would come to Naai-geria.

When it rains, it pours.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by CraigB: 2:13pm On Sep 06, 2014
agaugust:

If only 5,000 armed and suicide ready Al Qaeda Islamic Jihadists exist and live as South African citizens disguising daily as ordinary civilians living and spread all over South Africa, your country will be like Somalia grin

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If the bombing had happened in Naai-geria, we'd be looking at the beginning of a three-year insurgency.

Look at how South Africa will simply get on with the business of life, seeing as the security agencies have this covered.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:22pm On Sep 06, 2014
CraigB:

If the bombing had happened in Naai-geria, we'd be looking at the beginning of a three-year insurgency.

Look at how South Africa will simply get on with the business of life, seeing as the security agencies have this covered.


South African security, Police, Rangers, Army, Special Forces, Air Force, could NOT cover ordinary Kruger park alone, Rhino hunters defeated SANDF.....American soldiers came to your rescue grin grin

5,000 home based ready to die Islamic terrorist will turn South Africa into Somalia grin grin

http://www.10news.com/web/kgtv/news/ex-special-forces-battle-poachers-on-animal-planet-tv-show-030413



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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 3:10pm On Sep 06, 2014
Some of the people who escaped the latest Boko Haram attack on Bama, Borno State, have narrated their experience, describing it as painful.

Many of the troubled residents, who narrated their close shave with death, revealed that they trekked more than 50 kilometers in order to get to safety in Maiduguri.

When our correspondent visited the National Youth Service Corps orientation camp in the heart of the troubled city, many of the victims were seen queuing to collect blankets, sleeping mats and other relief items.

http://www.punchng.com/news/how-we-escaped-boko-haram-attack-bama-survivors/
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 3:13pm On Sep 06, 2014
NOW NIGERIAN MILITARY ACCEPT THE CAPTURE OF BAMA AFTER A WEEK OF DENIYING...NIGERIA MILITARY RUNNING AWAY WITH FAMILIES....HAHHAHAAAH

Soldiers have begun to move their families out of the two major barracks in Maiduguri, the Borno State capital.

Soldiers, who spoke with Saturday PUNCH, said the decision to move their families out of Giwa and Maimalari military barracks was part of the preparation for a fierce battle against the Boko Haram insurgents.

They said they were directed by their commanders to move their children and wives out of the barracks.

It was gathered that the action of the soldiers had heightened fears among residents of Maiduguri, who saw the families being moved out of the city.

One of our correspondents sighted one of the soldiers on Lagos Island on Thursday with his family members in a blue gulf car.

The soldier, who was accused of overloading his vehicle by men of the Federal Road Safety Corps, pleaded for help as he explained that he was coming from Maiduguri, adding that he moved his family to Lagos for safety.

Another soldier, who resides in the Giwa Barracks, spoke to one of our correspondents on the condition of anonymity. He said he had already moved his wife and children to Edo State following the directive by their commanders.

“We are moving our wives and children out because they should not be there if a battle begins. I have taken mine out of the city,” the soldier said

The soldiers confided in our correspondents that the situation was tense.

Boko Haram had captured Bama, the second largest city in Borno State early this week. It had two weeks ago seized Gwoza, where it occupied a police academy.

There is a report that the Boko Haram sect, which seems to have been emboldened by its success in Gwoza and Bama, plans to attack Maiduguri.

http://www.punchng.com/news/boko-haram-attacks-soldiers-families-vacate-borno-barracks/
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 3:18pm On Sep 06, 2014
The Nigerian military has vowed to do everything possible to defend the country against Boko Haram in the face of rapid territorial gains by the sect in the last two weeks.
“In the light of the current challenges in the counter-terrorism efforts in the north east which has understandably elicited a sense of apprehension among citizens and even foreign allies, the DHQ wishes to reiterate ….that everything will be done to reverse the situation and defeat the rampaging terrorists,” said defence spokesperson, Chris Olukolade.
Boko Haram is reportedly in control of Gwosa, Borno State, and has fought to take over Bama, another strategic town in the state, displacing thousands of residents as soldiers also retreat from the area.
Under intense fighting more than a week ago, at least 480 Nigerian troops crossed the border into Cameroon. The military said the move was a “tactical manoeuvre”.
Boko Haram has threatened an attack to capture Maiduguri, the Borno State capital, stirring concerns among Nigerians and foreign allies about the capacity of the military to wade off any significant attack.
In a statement Friday, the defence headquarters vowed every action to defend the nation and defeat the extremist group.
“While welcoming all the concerns shown by Nigerians and a section of the international community following the increased menace and activities of terrorists, it is necessary to reassure all that the Nigerian Armed Forces is more than ever determined and committed to the defence of the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Nigeria, regardless of any odd,” the statement said.
The military said it was conscious of what is at stake if it fails to reverse Boko Haram’s gains.
“It is not only the pride and reputation of the military that is at stake but that of the entire nation. We therefore urge our citizens not to lose hope or be disenchanted but to remain steadfast and supportive of the military as all steps are being taken to ensure the success of the counter-insurgency operations, especially at this crucial time when our sovereignty is being challenged,” the military said.
- See more at:

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/more-news/167788-military-vows-everything-to-defend-nigeria-against-boko-haram.html#sthash.bZOWT3Js.dpuf
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 3:24pm On Sep 06, 2014
LIGHTER NOTE...SEE SOUTH AFRICA'S INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT....OLIVER TAMBO AIRPORT

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 3:28pm On Sep 06, 2014
CAPE TOWN INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 3:32pm On Sep 06, 2014
Durban King Shaka International Airport

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 3:40pm On Sep 06, 2014
These are some of the common shops and resturants u found in South African Airports

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 3:46pm On Sep 06, 2014
HARDLY a month has gone by this year without construction starting on yet another new mall or a newly completed one opening its doors.

In fact, at least 25 new shopping centres, each one exceeding 30,000m² in size, are expected to be added to the market between 2013 and 2016, according to figures from the South African Council of Shopping Centres.

That will bring South Africa’s tally of large, regional and super-regional malls to an estimated 180 — more than double the number five years ago.

The largest mall opening of 2013 took place last week: Sasol Pension Fund, Retail Africa and Pivotal Property Fund’s 76,000m² Cradlestone Mall, just off the N14 Krugersdorp highway on the West Rand.

Other mega-malls expected to open in the next two to three years include JSE-listed Attacq’s massive 120,000m² Mall of Africa at Waterfall City near Midrand, Billion group’s Bay West (87,500m²) in Port Elizabeth and Forest Hill (68,000m²) in Pretoria, and Flanagan & Gerard and Intaprop’s Atlantic Mall (78,000m²) in Cape Town.

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 3:51pm On Sep 06, 2014
SOUTH AFRICAN SHOPPING MALLS RIVAL THE BEST IN THE WORLD

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 4:01pm On Sep 06, 2014
@AUGUSTUS......I HAVE BEEN TO NIGERIA THREE TIMES IN THE LAST TWO YEARS AND EACH OF MY TRIPS HAS BEEN FOR ATLEAST 3 MONTHS EACH....PLACES I VISITED LAGOS, ABAJU AND PORT HARCOURT...SO WHENEVER YOUE COMMENT REMEMBER I KNOW YOUR COUNTRY TO WELL...NIGERIA IS JUST AN AVERAGE COUNTRY AND NOTHING EXTRA ORDINARY ACCEPT OF MOUTH LOUDED NIGERIANS BELIEVING THAT THEY ARE SUPERIOR THAN OTHER AFRICANS IN THE CONTINENT....REMEMBER NIGERIA IS NOT AN ALPHA OR OMEGA OF THE CONTINENT
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:24pm On Sep 06, 2014
Thiza: @AUGUSTUS......I HAVE BEEN TO NIGERIA THREE TIMES IN THE LAST TWO YEARS AND EACH OF MY TRIPS HAS BEEN FOR ATLEAST 3 MONTHS EACH....PLACES I VISITED LAGOS, ABAJU AND PORT HARCOURT...SO WHENEVER YOUE COMMENT REMEMBER I KNOW YOUR COUNTRY TO WELL...NIGERIA IS JUST AN AVERAGE COUNTRY AND NOTHING EXTRA ORDINARY ACCEPT OF MOUTH LOUDED NIGERIANS BELIEVING THAT THEY ARE SUPERIOR THAN OTHER AFRICANS IN THE CONTINENT....REMEMBER NIGERIA IS NOT AN ALPHA OR OMEGA OF THE CONTINENT

Same with South Africa, we are both third world nations together, reason why I don't care to visit your over-rated country.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:30pm On Sep 06, 2014
Thiza: @AUGUSTUS......I HAVE BEEN TO NIGERIA THREE TIMES IN THE LAST TWO YEARS AND EACH OF MY TRIPS HAS BEEN FOR ATLEAST 3 MONTHS EACH....PLACES I VISITED LAGOS, ABAJU AND PORT HARCOURT...SO WHENEVER YOUE COMMENT REMEMBER I KNOW YOUR COUNTRY TO WELL...NIGERIA IS JUST AN AVERAGE COUNTRY AND NOTHING EXTRA ORDINARY ACCEPT OF MOUTH LOUDED NIGERIANS BELIEVING THAT THEY ARE SUPERIOR THAN OTHER AFRICANS IN THE CONTINENT....REMEMBER NIGERIA IS NOT AN ALPHA OR OMEGA OF THE CONTINENT

Revisit Nigeria in 3 years time when Eko Atlantic city, Lekki Free Trade Zone, Greater PHC, and Centenary city are almost completed.

Rome was not built in a day. Nigeria is advancing. The most important thing is the change, not the current level.

Was Soweto a nice place for foreigners to visit in 1995 ?
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 5:08pm On Sep 06, 2014
@AUGUSTUS atleast you acknowledge that you are Third world banana republic....with no constant electricity, water,railway, constant trains with reliable trains....these Free Trade Zones you boost about are just a dot in comparison with South Africa....since you have started the topic I shall b sending you what South Africa has achived in Coeaga Ffree Trade zone, Port of Dube etc......NOTHING NIGERIA CAN DO TO PLAN BETTER THAN SOUTH AFRICA

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