New South African aircraft project launched by Dene

South African aerospace companies Denel Aerostructures (DAe) and Denel Aviation, both part of the State-owned Denel
Group, have unveiled a major new project at the Africa Aerospace and Defence 2014 show on Thursday – the South African
Regional Aircraft (SARA). This is aimed at meeting a gap in the global market, preserving South Africa's aerospace design and
development capabilities, while also stimulating the country's young aerospace engineers and technicians.

"We know how much the development costs will be," DAe CEO Ismail Dockrat said at the media conference, at Air Force Base
Waterkloof, just south of Pretoria. "We have done a first round of market feasibility studies. The next step is a detailed
feasibility study."

The project is currently in its pre-development phase. The companies hope to complete the detailed feasibility study and win
wider support from government departments and agencies, the private sector, potential partners, investors and customers
within the next 18 months. Then the development phase would be started.

The development phase would probably last five years. The result would be a prototype aircraft by 2020 or 2021.

"It's a Denel initiative, but it's not going to be a Denel [only] project," he highlighted. The group will be actively seeking
support from other players in government and industry, as well as research institutions, to support or participate in the project.
Consultative discussions have already been started. "We obviously also need a launch customer, to order enough aircraft to
support its development."

The considerations which led to the idea of the SARA project began some two years ago. The intent was to develop a follow-
up to the technically highly-successful Rooivalk attack helicopter project, to sustain and further advance the expertise
developed in that programme.

"But we also said to ourselves: what are the needs of South Africa into the future?" explained Dockrat. "Should we develop a
military aircraft or alternatively should we develop a civil aircraft?"

The decision was to develop a civil aircraft. This would be able to contribute to the improvement of the transport infrastructure
and enhance regional mobility in Southern Africa and Africa in general, as well as meet market needs in parts of Asia and Latin
America. Research indicated that there was a gap in the global market for an aircraft carrying about 24 passengers.

Currently, three versions of the SARA are planned. An airliner version would carry 24 passengers. A combi version would be
able to carry 12 passengers and one LD2 cargo pallet. A freight version would be able to transport three LD2 pallets.

The SARA would have a payload of 8 400 kg, a range of 1 500 nautical miles and be pressurised, so it could fly high and
above the weather. It will be certified to undertake scheduled airline operations. Should any military force show interest in the
design (now or during the development phase) it would be possible to incorporate their requirements into the design.

http://engineeringnews.co.za/article/new-south-african-aircraft-project-launched-by-denel-2014-09-18

Denel Aviation launches major training project

South African company Denel Aviation signed a memorandum of understanding (MoU) with one of the world's top simulation
and training companies, Canada's CAE, and its local partner, Elisa, on Thursday, at the African Aerospace and Defence
exhibition at Air Force Base Waterkloof, just south of Pretoria. The aim of the MoU is to establish a National Training and
Simulator Centre (NTSC).

The planned NTSC will be located at the Denel Training Academy, which falls under Denel Aviation. It is scheduled to be fully
operational by 2020, although it is likely to be functional somewhat earlier, in 2018 or 2019. It will include a six-axis full flight
simulator, other flying training devices with lesser degrees of fidelity and a number of technical training systems.

"We are delighted to join forces with CAE, which is a global leader in training and simulation," affirmed Denel Aviation
executive manager for business development Hugh Petersen to the media. "We're absolutely delighted with the confidence
Denel has shown in choosing CAE as its partner.

"It [the NTSC] will be a full training suite, not just [flying] training but also mission training," CAE VP and GM Europe Ian Bell
told Engineering News Online. "It will be a Centre of Excellence for the whole African continent."

The launch customers for the new centre will be the South Africa Air Force and regional airline South African Express. But it is
aimed at serving not only the wider South African aviation industry but also the wider African aviation industry.

http://engineeringnews.co.za/article/denel-aviation-launches-major-training-project-2014-09-18

patches689:

1 round 1 kill is nonsense

Thanks for proving (for the umpteenth time) that you don't have any idea what you are talking about

Ammo is not a problem for the nigerian military. There are always more Ammo in the APC, trucks and troop transports.


700 dead insurgents in 3 days of fighting is very impressive. Civilians don't attack army positions.

patches689:

They have billets in their heads because your soldiers executed them

Because that's what the Nigerian army does

Kill civilians - call them BH

Dead dead bokos. You want to go join B-H? Nigerian airforce MI-35M helicopters would paint you skull red, with hot lead.

Careful what you wish for, my friend.

patches689:

I will deal with these infantile ramblings when I get back from work

But facts are facts- out of all the BRICS we are the most developed

And according to the CIA world Facebook South African government has 3X the budget of Nigeria... And almost 3x less population*

*approximatly (I'm on my phone and I am not going to go back and look at exact figures)

Btw, that oil export = money in Nigerian govt pockets is the stupidest thing I have heard in years

Out of all the BRIC nations you're light years behind. FACT!!!!

According to the manner our budgets are made, the CIA fact-book doesn't represent any fact as to nigeria. It is a very confusing, in-correct source of information for nigeria.

patches689: South African doctors, disaster management personal and search and rescue crews had to fly to Nigeria to assist in the church disaster- Nigeria lacks the skills for such things

There have always been, and would continue to be hundreds of thousands of south-africans seeking greener pasture and faith in nigeria. However, your constant acts of scoring cheap points with the dead is distasteful and leaves much to be desired.

LASG( lagos state government) would not allow foreigners, especially HIV carrying south-africans into a accident scene. NEMA and Julius berger (Africa's largest construction company) have done all the recovery work needed. The only reason those HIV carriers were allowed in, was to fulfil all righteousness.

Henry120:

Ammo is not a problem for the nigerian military. There are always more Ammo in the APC, trucks and troop transports.


700 dead insurgents in 3 days of fighting is very impressive. Civilians don't attack army positions.

So mid firefight you are just gunna stop shooting, jump up, run across the battlefield, get to an APC, crack open an ammo crate, recharge your mags individually, run back to your position and resume firing?

Yeah, that doesn't seem ridiculous at all.

And you are right - civilians don't attack army positions. Your army attacks civilians and when they are dead calls them boko haram your countries tendencies are well recorded. No wonder the northerners are rising up against you

Henry120:

Out of all the BRIC nations you're light years behind. FACT!!!!

According to the manner our budgets are made, the CIA fact-book doesn't represent any fact as to nigeria. It is a very confusing, in-correct source of information for nigeria.

Nope, per capita we are more developed than all other BRIC nations (as shown)

And if we are light years behind, what is Nigeria! Hahahahahahahah clown

And the CIA Facebook is the only reliable source there is. South Africa has 3X the budget and income you do- and about 1/3 the population.

Case closed

Henry120:

There have always been, and would continue to be hundreds of thousands of south-africans seeking greener pasture and faith in nigeria. However, your constant acts of scoring cheap points with the dead is distasteful and leaves much to be desired.

LASG( lagos state government) would not allow foreigners, especially HIV carrying south-africans into a accident scene. NEMA and Julius berger (Africa's largest construction company) have done all the recovery work needed. The only reason those HIV carriers were allowed in, was to fulfil all righteousness.

Maximum butthurt from Henry

THE FACTS ARE: South African contractors as well as support staff had to be sent as Nigeria lacks the skills to manage the crisis

Case closed

And, btw, there would be ZERO dead if the assbackwards sh1thole you call a country had ever bothered to establish building standards or a building inspectors office.

Or maybe less would have died if you had the equipment and disaster management practices and skills that most civilized nations have.

They died because your country is a joke- a failed joke and a failed state.

Your face when 16 of the 20 biggest companies in Africa are South African

http://www.theafricareport.com/top-500-companies-in-africa-2013.html

Lol Nigerians wanking over dangote and it doesn't come anywhere close to anything of relevance

The reigning champion continues to reign

patches689:

So mid firefight you are just gunna stop shooting, jump up, run across the battlefield, get to an APC, crack open an ammo crate, recharge your mags individually, run back to your position and resume firing?

Yeah, that doesn't seem ridiculous at all.

And you are right - civilians don't attack army positions. Your army attacks civilians and when they are dead calls them boko haram your countries tendencies are well recorded. No wonder the northerners are rising up against you

1)Did you even watch that video?

2) Northerners are 100% in support of the military. After sending 700 virgin hunters to the gates of hell, multiple civilians came out waving the nigerian flag, throwing green leaves on the floor, blocking the N.A's passage with scenes of celebration. It doesn't look like an N.A that lacks support.

Loser

3) how do you think actual fighting takes place, Have you even seen a real fire-fight?

patches689:

Nope, per capita we are more developed than all other BRIC nations (as shown)

And if we are light years behind, what is Nigeria! Hahahahahahahah clown

And the CIA Facebook is the only reliable source there is. South Africa has 3X the budget and income you do- and about 1/3 the population.

Case closed

Keep lying to yourself.

Black population in south-africa = 87%
Black middle class = 15%

So much for better per-capita.

Yes, Case closed.

patches689:

Maximum butthurt from Henry

THE FACTS ARE: South African contractors as well as support staff had to be sent as Nigeria lacks the skills to manage the crisis

Case closed

And, btw, there would be ZERO dead if the assbackwards sh1thole you call a country had ever bothered to establish building standards or a building inspectors office.

Or maybe less would have died if you had the equipment and disaster management practices and skills that most civilized nations have.

They died because your country is a joke- a failed joke and a failed state.

This is your country, a failed, un-equal state. Topping the chart as the murder capital of the world.

http://www.theguardian.com/cities/gallery/2014/jun/24/10-world-cities-highest-murder-rates-homicides-in-pictures

patches689:

Maximum butthurt from Henry

THE FACTS ARE: South African contractors as well as support staff had to be sent as Nigeria lacks the skills to manage the crisis

Case closed

And, btw, there would be ZERO dead if the assbackwards sh1thole you call a country had ever bothered to establish building standards or a building inspectors office.

Or maybe less would have died if you had the equipment and disaster management practices and skills that most civilized nations have.

They died because your country is a joke- a failed joke and a failed state.

what the? there are only hereto sign death certificate, organize family members to identify sa victim.

Not all nations can trust their government to look after them in foreign lands. People know who they are.

Good work by the teams and officials in Nigeria.



South African assessment team which travelled to the West African country on Wednesday said the 10 bodies were identified through reference to identity documents found in their possession.
The families of the deceased had been notified and social workers had been deployed to assist them, government said.
Officials were maintaining contact with relatives of those who were visiting the church and had asked them to send photographs of their relatives which could be used for identification purposes.
“Since the appeal made yesterday [on Wednesday] for family members to send photographs of their affected loved ones to the operations centre at dirco, we have received an overwhelmingly positive response and we appreciate this gesture of cooperation,” government said in a statement.
“We have forwarded the pictures to the South African consulate in Nigeria and the team on the ground in Lagos is making use of the pictures in the process of identifying those of our fallen compatriots who can still be identified through the use of photographs.
“We understand that some of the bodies may take a while to be positively identified due to the nature and extent of the calamity.”
A guest house belonging to the church, led by Prophet TB Joshua, collapsed and was reduced to rubble on Friday.
The assessment team has established that 349 South Africans were in Lagos on matters connected to the church when the disaster occurred.
“Of these, 265 were found alive. Out of the 84 that are unaccounted for, the figure of our compatriots that perished, as received from our mission, stands at 67,” government said in a statement.
Some of the survivors of the incident had arrived back in South Africa.
The assessment team was making arrangements for the treatment and return of those who were injured in the disaster.
“The team will also work with authorities on the process of the repatriation of the mortal remains of deceased South Africans,” said government, adding that it would ensure that all the country’s citizens were accounted for.
“The SA high commissioner and the consul-general have been working with the leadership of the church and other authorities, visiting the scene, going to hospitals and mortuaries in an effort to provide assistance to all our affected citizens,” said government.
A 24-hour operations centre had also set up at the department of international relations and cooperation to relay information from Nigeria to the families as well as to receive information from the families and to share such information with the team on the ground in Lagos.
- Sapa

Giantets of Africa, your money has been donated to the South African government via our courts.

http://thenationonlineng.net/new/south-african-court-okays-seizure-of-nigerias-9-3m/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

South African court okays seizure of Nigeria’s $9.3m
Posted by: Onyedi Ojaibor, Abuja in Featured, News 5 hours ago

South Africa has seized the $9.3 million Nigerian cash flown abroad a private jet into its capital, Johannesburg, from Abuja early this month.
Two Nigerians and an Israeli were travelling with the plane’s crew at the time the cash, which was not declared, was found on the plane.
South African security and Nigeria have launched an investigation into what transpired.
The explanation from Nigeria that the money was meant for arms purchase for the Nigeria intelligence agencies, has been rejected by South Africa’s Asset Forfeiture Unit (AFU) and the National Prosecuting Authority of South Africa (NPA).
The NPA, in a statement, according to online publication Premium Times, said the manner in which the money was brought into the country breached the laws that deal with the transfer of foreign exchange of such proportion. “The money was initially detained by the South African Revenue Service (SARS) as it was not disclosed or declared at customs, and was above the prescribed legal limit for the amount of cash that may be brought into the country,” it said in a statement.
The NPA, according to the medium, said its investigation showed that Tier One Services Group, the firm the Nigerian government claimed it wanted to procure the arms from, is not authorised to sell or rent military hardware.
“In court papers, the NPA submitted evidence that Tier One is not registered with the National Conventional Arms Control Committee and is thus not authorised to enter into any agreements regarding the sale and/or rental of military equipment,” the statement read.
Tier One has apparently issued an invoice to a Cyprus based company, ESD International Group Ltd, ESD, in respect of the procurement of armaments and helicopters to be delivered to Nigeria.
However, South African investigators said the time when the invoice was prepared and the time the money was brought in threw up some serious issues of its true intent.
The money was ferried to South Africa less than a week from the date the invoice was prepared (September 8, 2014). The involvement of a Cyprus based company also heightens the suspicion that this may be a case of classical money laundering. Cyprus is known for its secretive banking system.
The NPA added that the transaction did not follow normal procedure in the procurement of the kind of equipment it was alleged to have been meant for.
The Senate yesterday summoned National Security Adviser (NSA) Col. Sambo Dasuki (rtd), Chief of Defence Staff, Air Chief Marshall Alex Badeh and Chief of Army Staff Lt.-Gen. Kenneth Minimah over the smuggled $9.3 million cash.
Chairman, Senate Committee on Defence, Senator George Sekibo, said those invited to appear before his committee on Tuesday would brief members on the incident.
He said: “ I don’t want to pre-empt issues because I have not heard details about the issue but they will be here on Tuesday.”
On the soldiers sentenced to death, Sekibo said he was not surprised that death sentence was passed on the 12 soldiers because before they joined military, they were aware of the implication of being involved in mutiny.
He added that before the judgment was passed, the army must have carried out their investigation on the matter.

sirjerry: what the? there are only hereto sign death certificate, organize family members to identify sa victim.

The word "organise" is good enough for me. Rescue experts can do nothing else but rescue. Treatment experts can do nothing but ensure that south africans receive treatment. Body identification experts can do nothing else but. Home affairs officials can do nothing but be home affairs officials.

Our team comprises all four. It is what it is.

I love the word "organise". I see serious organisation here. Contrast that with...never mind...

Anyone with information about the SA military involvement at 3am (this morning) in Lesotho?

Before we forget, let me hit you up real quick. First black african headed to space. Mandla Maseko. Seko Power right there. First African in space. Mark Shuttleworth (what a surname). Common denom? South African. That's all.

Talking about South African brains? Wotchu know about South African brains?


Blast off! Nasa reveals Boeing and SpaceX will BOTH build shuttle replacements in $6.8bn deal for America's 'space taxis'

Boeing's Crew Space Transportation (CST-100) and SpaceX's Dragon awarded contracts to built spacecraft to launch in 2017

Will take crews of seven people to the ISS and other destinations
Being funded by Nasa to replace the Space Shuttle


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The giantlets are spinning after having donated their money to Nkandla.

http://factnewsonline.com/news/detail.php?id=628&title=Senate-Summons-Military-Chiefs-Over-Seized-.3m%2C-NSA

Senate Summons Military Chiefs Over Seized $9.3m, NSA

By admin on 19/09/2014

Following the seizure of Nigeria’s $9.3 million cash by the South African authorities on Monday, the Senate has asked military and the security outfits to brief its committees on the matter.

The Chairman, Senate Committee on Defence and Army, George Sekibo disclosed this in a chat with journalists on Thursday.


Those he said expected to brief the lawmakers on Tuesday are the Chief of Defence Staff, Alex Badeh, Chief of Army Staff, Kenneth Minimah and the National Security Adviser, NSA, Sambo Dasuki.

The Federal Government had admitted on Tuesday that it owned the money, which was meant for arms transaction and conveyed in a private aircraft belonging to the President of the Christian Association of Nigeria, CAN, Ayo Oritsejafor.


Two Nigerians and an Israeli who were in possession of the money, which has since been frozen, were also arrested.

Mr. Sekibo said the military chiefs and the NSA would tell the committee what exactly happened.

I have just called the Chief of Defence Staff, National Security Adviser and Chief of Army Staff.

I don’t want to pre-empt issues because we have not heard details about it, but they will be here on Tuesday next week,” he said.

Henry120:

1)Did you even watch that video?

2) Northerners are 100% in support of the military. After sending 700 virgin hunters to the gates of hell, multiple civilians came out waving the nigerian flag, throwing green leaves on the floor, blocking the N.A's passage with scenes of celebration. It doesn't look like an N.A that lacks support.

Loser

3) how do you think actual fighting takes place, Have you even seen a real fire-fight?

I clearly know more than you

Henry120:

Keep lying to yourself.

Black population in south-africa = 87%
Black middle class = 15%

So much for better per-capita.

Yes, Case closed.

Is it better per capita or not?

Henry120:

This is your country, a failed, un-equal state. Topping the chart as the murder capital of the world.

http://www.theguardian.com/cities/gallery/2014/jun/24/10-world-cities-highest-murder-rates-homicides-in-pictures

Where does Nigeria list on the failed states rankings?

Where does South Africa?

Patchesagain:
Where does Nigeria list on the failed states rankings?
Where does South Africa?

In case there's confusion, you don't require an answer.

DieVluit:

In case there's confusion, you don't require an answer.

i never ask questions i dont know the answer to

AAD: Denel announces launch of indigenous South African regional aircraft SARA

Posted 18 September 2014 · Add Comment

South Africa is to develop its own regional aircraft dubbed SARA – South African Regional Aircraft – programme, led by the country's defence giant Denel.

- See more at: http://www.africanaerospace.aero/aad-denel-announces-launch-of-indigenous-south-african-regional-aircraft-sara.html#sthash.QbTU7P2V.dpuf

agaugust:

Useless experience, there was NO war in Tunisia 1949 ! Fool

.

What a weak counter-argument. The strongest thing you've done is to post graphic pictures in desperation.

Patchesagain:

I clearly know more than you

You know Zilch. The only thing you're good at is pasting and colouring long, very irrelevant posts like a failed painter.

Henry120:

You know Zilch. The only thing you're good at is pasting and colouring long, very irrelevant posts like a failed painter.

South African Infantry (who have fought in actual conventional wars) carry 7 mags for a reason.

That reason is: Suppression.

Suppression is the foundation of all small unit tactics since... well WW2

and now for your viewing pleasure:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POw12wIySwI

Entitled "3 Mags are enough, right?"

Notice after 2 minutes of SEMI-AUTOMATIC fire they were out on their main weapons and had to draw their secondaries.

Patchesagain:

South African Infantry (who have fought in actual conventional wars) carry 7 mags for a reason.

That reason is: Suppression.

Suppression is the foundation of all small unit tactics since... well WW2

and now for your viewing pleasure:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POw12wIySwI

Entitled "3 Mags are enough, right?"

Notice after 2 minutes of SEMI-AUTOMATIC fire they were out on their main weapons and had to draw their secondaries.

It means after 6 mins he would have expended his 7 MAGs. What then would be his next line of action, seeing he's out of rounds?

Henry120:

It means after 6 mins he would have expended his 7 MAGs. What then would be his next line of action, seeing he's out of rounds?

Throw stones at the advancing enemy, or simply surrender. That's the NA war doctrine.