agaugust:


Bombs are dropped not fired. Guided bomb has no rocket engine, it has a low power battery, then you say it flies at speed mach 1.2 that is 1,500 km/hr speed of a missile !

Post me a source for the speed of SAAF Paveway guided bomb so that I can laugh at you as usual. Post it
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patches689:


Nope, dont come here with RCS

First source clearly says, 220km max range

Second source clearly says that modified Italian version has a max range of 330km - which is unique to the Italian version.

So, in conclusion:

Manufacturers specs: 220km
Italian modified version: 330km

Now, post your uniform and gun

patches689:


Because the plane that is carrying it is moving that fast you clown

Or do you not know of this thing called inertia?

MikeCZAR:
No, if you gonna make a claim make sure you can support it with reliable info.
In your case you can't support your claims.

DieVluit:


Spitting because you're a chicken that swallowed a roach, Evarn? I see.

EVarn:
post proof that the al tariq glide bomb and the A-Darter SRAAM are integrated into the SAAF hawks.lets see how you wiggle your way out of that.

agaugust:


Sweden refused to allow SAAF integrate Umbani (Al-Tariq) guided bomb on Gripen jet, as usual the Europeans are still lord and master over South Africa today 2014.

Then SAAF tried to integrate Al-Tariq on Hawk jet, they claim it's done on paper, but I want to see photo of it being operated in full scale test.

A-Darter SRAAM is a short range missile that does NOT yet exist in any military service, it's still laboratory development stage stuff NOT WORTH TALKING ABOUT
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EVarn:
hehehehe..i'm expecting him to come here to spout sentiments and butthurt.we all know the truth,but its fun to embarass these liars once a while.

EVarn:
post proof that the al tariq glide bomb and the A-Darter SRAAM are integrated into the SAAF hawks.lets see how you wiggle your way out of that.

agaugust:


Sweden refused to allow SAAF integrate Umbani (Al-Tariq) guided bomb on Gripen jet, as usual the Europeans are still lord and master over South Africa today 2014.

Then SAAF tried to integrate Al-Tariq on Hawk jet, they claim it's done on paper, but I want to see photo of it being operated in full scale test.

A-Darter SRAAM is a short range missile that does NOT yet exist in any military service, it's still laboratory development stage stuff NOT WORTH TALKING ABOUT
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agaugust:


You get no photo of my gun and camo until you confess the truth.

Your source clearly posts 3 different radar ranges for the same ATR-42 saying it varies with size of target the radar is scanning.

ALL RADARS IN THIS WORLD ARE LIKE THAT, THEIR RANGE VARIES WITH RCS SIZE OF TARGET !!! FOOL !!! ILLITERATE

Your fraud cannot work here.

Quote where the source says Italian version has a different radar from what Italy sold to Nigeria.

Am gonna assume South African Gripen radar is different from Sweden's Gripen radar, yours is shorter range in SAAF.

Also the South African Super Lynx helicopter radar is different from British Super Lynx radar, yours has a shorter range radar.

Post proof that Italy sold a different radar ATR-42 to Nigeria

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agaugust:


Inertia? It means objects don't wanna move until you force them! Bombs have no rocket to force them to move, so once you drop it 15km away from target as your jet avoids enemy AAA the bomb gets slower than the drop speed, and every second it keeps slowing down until it only moves by the earths free fall gravity speed of 10 m/s and use physics formula it's average velocity is about 85 km/hr....my Toyota car is faster than your guided bomb

ALL BOMBS ARE SLOWER THAN MISSILES AND JET AIRCRAFT.

Fool, the jet aircraft has powerful jet engine driving it to attain, maintain and sustain speed of mach 1.2 being 1,500 km/hr, but the guided bomb dropped has NO jet engine to give it that craaazy high speed !

#Post Speed Of SAAF Paveway Guided Bomb !!!

#Trapped Patches Again
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agaugust:


Sweden refused to allow SAAF integrate Umbani (Al-Tariq) guided bomb on Gripen jet, as usual the Europeans are still lord and master over South Africa today 2014.

Then SAAF tried to integrate Al-Tariq on Hawk jet, they claim it's done on paper, but I want to see photo of it being operated in full scale test.

A-Darter SRAAM is a short range missile that does NOT yet exist in any military service, it's still laboratory development stage stuff NOT WORTH TALKING ABOUT
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agaugust:


Real fun, they now claim a bomb dropped is as fast as a missile fired. Bwahaahahaha

patches689:


Nope.

Is the speed of free fall gravity where you got 85kp/h from? You know that gravity changes with hight and that free fall speed is not a constant, but a variable dependent on height and weight?

Free fall speed of a GBU-12 Paveway 2 BLU-133 500Ib dropped at 30 000 will accelerate to 423.35 m/s or 1524.05 km/h - meaning that it actually accelerates from Mach 1.1 to around Mach 1.3
http://www.angio.net/personal/climb/speed

In future, avoid physics

Now, post your uniform and gun

agaugust:


No gun and camo for you until you graduate from my physics class and you stop lying that Italy sold ATR-42 with a different radar from what they sold to Nigeria, I need source that clearly says that, not your dreamland imaginations.

Physics? I love it.

That 85 km/h was jointly calculated and agreed by me and South African @Fighter Pilot who has BSc Military Science. LOL

Bwahahaaha

Your calculator assumed :

1. No ZERO air resistance....your jet fighter was flying in a vacuum with no air existing in the atmosphere...FOOL !
2. Guided Bomb does not follow guidance system oscillation up and down movement.
3. The Paveway Bomb has less range than normal because of oscillation.
4. Due to number 3 above, the Gripen cannot drop bomb at it's aircraft maximum ceiling.

Guided bomb redirects and corrects position, it jumps up and down if dropped at high altitude, it loses speed each time it climbs up, before slowly coming down and repeats the up-down motion till close to target.

You can NEVER achieve missile speed with a bomb, or else nobody will build an expensive mach 1.2 missile if a bomb can do the same speed

Based on the correct formula for free fall with air resistance, I used the maximum ceiling of Gripen and maximum range of the Paveway Guided Bomb and that means the Gripen must be directly above the target, and i used the weight of the bomb, the calculator proves the final speed will be 61 km/hr.

Your Gripen guided bomb will arrive target at speed of about 61 km/hr. PROVED !

South Africa begged Nigeria to sent Mathematics and Science teachers to your rainbow nation and we did it. Now you know why

http://keisan.casio.com/exec/system/1231475371

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patches689:


You said you would post the pic when i post my source. I have done that. Now post your uniform and gun.

Again, sources state:

- Manufacturers max range: 220km
- Italian Version max range: 330km

This is not up for discussion.

Wow ! The ATR-42 aircraft on the website with 220km range, is EXACTLY the same Italian GUARDIA COSTIERA ATR-42 aircraft on the page that has the 330km radar range, exactly the same photos ! @Patches, Nigerian and Italy have the same radar ! There is no website with Italian radar and another website with Nigerian radar. Fool of Gauteng

All South Africans have 33% brains and import Nigerian science teachers to save them
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patches689:


Its YOUR job to prove that your aTR-42 is the same as the Italian variant, otherwise, max range is that of the manufacturers and is 220km

agaugust:




Oh, we should not discuss your claim on a debating platform? We should just swallow your lies as if we are fools?

No, Nigerians don't swallow garbage.

Your own source says ATR-42 has radar range 330km and does NOT say Italy sold a different radar to Nigeria.

Wow ! The ATR-42 aircraft on the website with 220km range, is EXACTLY the same Italian GUARDIA COSTIERA ATR-42 aircraft on the page that has the 330km radar range, exactly the same photos ! @Patches, Nigerian and Italy have the same radar ! There is no website with Italian radar and another website with Nigerian radar. Fool of Gauteng

http://www.casr.ca/id-fwsar-italy-2.htm

http://www.aleniana.com/documents/8005904/17761599/factsheet_ATR_42_MP.pdf

Fool, the smaller the object, the more difficult for radar to detect it, thus your radar needs to get close to target, this reduces the range of your radar, all radars in this world have that scientific rule !


So when target object gets too small, your radar will not detect it at maximum range, because the target has a small RCS...Radar Cross Sectio...Fool !

"Factors that affect RCS: Size

As a rule, the larger an object, the stronger its Radar reflection and thus the greater its RCS. Also, Radar of one band may not even detect certain size objects. For example. 10 cm (S-band Radar) can detect rain drops but not clouds whose droplets are too small.
Material." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radar_cross-section#Size

All South Africans have 33% brains and import Nigerian science teachers to save them
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agaugust:


Both are ATR-42 Surveyors, no source differentiates them because they are the same. NONE is ATR-42 ITY and ATR-42 NIG

When manufacturer sells variants of military aircraft they name them differently, F-7NI. F-7PG.

Show us ATR-42 Surveyor maritime patrol with such different names.

I will begin campaign that SAAF Gripen has a lesser radar than Sweden's Gripen.

You ready for the mud fight man ?

MikeCZAR:
Only the Al tariq glide bomb is integrated on Hawk LIFT.

The A-Darter SRAAM will be integrated later.

EVarn:
yeah yeah,post proof please,not opinions.

agaugust:

Based on the correct formula for free fall with air resistance, I used the maximum ceiling of Gripen and maximum range of the Paveway Guided Bomb and that means the Gripen must be directly above the target, and i used the weight of the bomb, the calculator proves the final speed will be 61 km/hr.

Your Gripen guided bomb will arrive target at speed of about 61 km/hr. PROVED !



http://keisan.casio.com/exec/system/1231475371

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EVarn:
yeah yeah,post proof please,not opinions.

patches689:



You worked out that it would fall at 61km/hr because you typed in that it would be dropped from a distance of 15 meters, not 15000 meters.

(you dont use decimal points to denote thousands in calculators, dipshit)

Using the same figures as you, it becomes clear that the bomb will fall at 345km/hr

Don't cry Butt Hurt, it's not the first time you have being trapped trying to mislead and deceive us on this forum
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patches689:
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agaugust:


Nope, I typed in 15,000 metres, but unfortunately that particular calculator is not programmed to recognize 'comma' and mistook it for a 'full stop' and that is the programmers foolishness not mine. In physics-mathematics international system of units 'commas' are universally recognized to mean thousands. Not my fault in any way, other web calculators recognize commas.

Air resistance is increased with weight, so a skydiver man weighs 75kg, guided bomb weighs 250kg, the air resistance increases with weight and it will push back your bomb the more.


Well with your calculation what did you get? Your earlier claim of 1,500 km/h ? You now downgraded to 345 km/hr

5 times slower than you were claiming before, a loss of speed with about 1,200 km/hr wiped off in speed reduction

If I did not bring up air resistance will you ever know it exists? You were using online calculator for free fall speed in a vacuum, that is how far you South Africans are behind Nigeria, if we don't open your eyes to science you remain blind forever

So now your guided bomb is 345 km/hr without the many up and down motion of guidance correction that further reduces the speed, the longer the distance from target, the more the up and down oscillations, and it loses speed, when you make provision for that, you will end up between 60 km/hr to 85 km/hr at the time guided bomb reaches target.

Guided bombs don't have missile speed, LOL. they have the speed of a sword or dagger, those who have seen it in action testify as proof :

"A laser-guided bomb falls from a cloudless sky with all the speed and menace of a plunging dagger. In a split second, a building is pulverised into a swirling mass of smoke and rubble."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/11006911/The-Israeli-laser-guided-bomb-strikes-Gaza-with-the-speed-and-menace-of-a-dagger.html

Don't cry Butt Hurt, it's not the first time you have being trapped trying to mislead and deceive us on this forum
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agaugust:


Attached NOT launched, anybody can attach anything on a pylon, lets see testing video or photo where Hawk launched the Al-Tariq into action
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patches689:


A long and pointless post

The manufacturer says that the max range of their version in 220km

The Italian version has a max range of 330km

Until you prove your version is the same as the Italian version, your ATR has the standard max range of 220km

agaugust:


Manufacturer says 220km, Italy bought from same manufacturer and says 330km.

The Italians got their from the same manufacturer, and their is no ATR-42 version A or version B with different radars, ATR-42 is not F-7 jet where 10 countries have 10 different radars, and in such cases it is published with version names NI, PG, BM, etc.

Until you agree to the truth, you see no gun and camo, I dont do deals with fraudsters
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patches689:


Only after we see your uniform and gun