all4naija: Above that so called baby T-craft we have the largest combatant troupes in Africa. It can be very intimidating to any other country in Africa when it comes to prowess and strength. So, leave outside the T-craft thing and let talk about the combatant strength and you will find out that there is none in Africa that can challenge Nigerian Army in that capacity maybe Egypt.

It is very clear on the CIA Fact file that the Nigerian military manpower is well above the total population of South Africa. If Nigeria is to descend on SA, for example, the military number is well above what is required to decimate the entire population of your country(if we are to recruit to achieve that). There is no need of trying to argue about the Nigerian military manpower when comparing it to SA approximately 15 million meagre manpower.

all4naija: The car industry, military hardware, etc are heavily foreign owned and operated by them.

Capnd143: now this forced me to comment! Dont you know that the political and citizenry affliates of the sect are pressuring the govt to withdraw The Jtf troops which has so far been fruitless? So to achieve their goal, whenever there is a military raid, the claim civilians life were lost and that those killed are civilians, but funny thing is whether civilians always go around with IEDs and Ak's, and whether civilians always return fire with troops whenever their hideouts are raided by troops.[/b]

andrewza:

Lol. You are ignorant. All the people in those industies in SA are south african. BAE OMC land sytem was all was a SA company, BAE just bought out majoraty shares. The company is still south african. Same has all our other companys.

all4naija: Lol. The truth is that most technology in that nation is foreign owned, The Marader production company which was founded Ivor Ichikowitz, he is a Lithuanian. The Mercedes Benz, Volkswagen, Siemens,Oracle,ICT and computer hardware productions are Germans, Americans and other Europeans, Square Kilometre Array (SKA) is Russian, just to mentioned a few. It is still the same thing that can be said of Nigerian technology,it is Nigerians who are also working in those companies producing the hardware.

You made claim that the APCs were built by the British forgetting that Nigerians were mainly involved in the building of those hardware. Nigerians were involved in the building of all the Satellites launched by Nigeria so far. Even some of these Satellite dwarf SA's.

all4naija: Lol. The truth is that most technology in that nation is foreign owned, The Marader production company which was founded Ivor Ichikowitz, he is a Lithuanian. The Mercedes Benz, Volkswagen, Siemens,Oracle,ICT and computer hardware productions are Germans, Americans and other Europeans, Square Kilometre Array (SKA) is Russian, just to mentioned a few. It is still the same thing that can be said of Nigerian technology,it is Nigerians who are also working in those companies producing the hardware.

You made claim that the APCs were built by the British forgetting that Nigerians were mainly involved in the building of those hardware. Nigerians were involved in the building of all the Satellites launched by Nigeria so far. Even some of these Satellite dwarf SA's.

all4naija: Nigerians were involved in the building of all the Satellites launched by Nigeria so far. Even some of these Satellite dwarf SA's.

andrewza:


Your APCs are nothing speciol and I thought the brits constructed your saterrlight

andrewza:

What SA tech relies heavly on foreigners.

andrewza:

Lol. You are ignorant. All the people in those industies in SA are south african. BAE OMC land sytem was all was a SA company, BAE just bought out majoraty shares. The company is still south african. Same has all our other companys.

andrewza:

Nigeria I think nigeria 2nd or 1st with arillry in terms of numbers.

Nigeria has arround 300(T72/chieftan) or so modernish MBT tanks and another 100 or older MBT(t55) puting them pretty high. SA has about 275 MBT though the Rooikat76 can take out most tanks in Africa with a frontal shot and at a longer ranger.

Nigeria does not have enough APC and IFV for there size and far to few helicopters.

agaugust:



That's half truth, we are not F00L here, who are the key engineering staff in those countries? Prove that from establishment till today all those companies were 100% operated by south African blacks.

We know the truth,since the days of gold mining in south africa

agaugust:



[size=16pt] Nigeria has 55 helicopter gunships all with anti-tank weapons more than enough to destroy all south African army Olifant tanks in 10 minutes.


Nigeria has 5 times more helicopter gunships than south Africa, we outnumber you 55 against 11.

Only Egypt has more helicopter gunships than Nigeria in the whole of Africa.

Also, Nigria has upgraded all her T-72 main battle tanks and now more deadly.


Also nigerian army has 40 BTR-U Guardian ultra-modern fighting vehicles with more than enough anti-tank missiles to destroy south African armoured tanks.

Nigerian army 300 cobra and VBL armoured vehicles also have hardware capability for extra mission as tank killers to wipe out all the armoured vehicles in the whole of south Africa with missiles in few hours of battle.
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andrewza:

There is vedioe evdince on youtube of our Nigerian solders treat civlians.

DictatorZAR:


Nigeria had three satellites owned by the goverment so far and only 2 are operational 1 lost power within months of its launch and is absolete now fact. Show me one satellite that is better then 1 SA built satellite even Sunsat which was launched way before Nigeria had a space dream is still functional today, and it was built by SA not a joint ventures like Nigeria always do.

SA tracks and monitors satellites for over 50 years now and you still want to compare us with small Nigerian projects please

Henry120: Nigeria currently has 3 satellites in orbit

NIGERIA SAT -1
NIGCOMSAT 1R (r stands for replacement)
Nigeria SAT X ( built by nigerian engineers)

DictatorZAR:


Nigeria had three satellites owned by the goverment so far and only 2 are operational 1 lost power within months of its launch and is absolete now fact. Show me one satellite that is better then 1 SA built satellite even Sunsat which was launched way before Nigeria had a space dream is still functional today, and it was built by SA not a joint ventures like Nigeria always do.

SA tracks and monitors satellites for over 50 years now and you still want to compare us with small Nigerian projects please

homerac7: Now I am forced to comment here again...

...has anyone noticed how these South Africans are only here to promote SA shit and only ridicule Nigeria facts?


SANDF failed woefully in CAR and they come here to top dress it as "lesser casualty victory"? Do they think anyone here is stuupiid?

Nigeria Armed Forces is internationally respected for her records and for the first time in my life, after that mis-informed Ghanian doofus of a journalist, I see South Africans here trying in vain to put NAF down so that "little" light can shine of disgraced SANDF. Now, if that isn't idiotic, what is it?

(Now I must name-call to home-in these illogicality...)

One of them stupiidly said since JTF lost men in raids, then JTF is incompetent. DAMN!!! are you guys this idiotic? do you know anything about intricacies of military operations other than posting hardware pictures? ...huh!

Now see another doofoos....they claim that because civilians were killed in counter insurgency operations, so NA is incompetent. Now, if you are so smart, show me just ONE country that's battling insurgency that doesnt have accusations of civilian deaths as collateral damage? if you can't, then you are an eediiot for making the accusation in first place!

Another said Nigeria Armed Forces have 2C issues....WTF! so na only SANDF holy pass abi? una dey mad! show your proof now or be the damned fool again! ....shaiiit!

Look, you boyz, I will never defend Nigerian military as saints, they surely have their excesses, but not for SANDF supporters to point out as their shameless asssses are out in the air. Your military can only learn from Nigeria if you want to avoid another humiliating defeat from rag-tag army. Nigeria suffered similar humiliation in hands of rebels when ECOMOG HQ was breached under command of a Ghanaian Supreme Commander and Samuel Doe captured right from hands of ECOMOG. But Nigeria did not pull out, we pushed ECOWAS to change mamdate from Peace Keeping to Peace Enforcement, with which the Supreme Commander was sacked and a Nigerian (Gen Joshua Dongoyaro) took command, tore all agreements with rebel groups and UNLEASHED HELL on all rebel fronts. They all broke off and end of the story is Liberia today.

Reason for the history lesson is to tell you that we have had your same of DISGRACE over 25 years ago! the difference is that we never LIED about ours, but reacted to it and today we are better fighting force for it. Then you will know why Nigeria military doesnt "play" with "civilians" in battle fronts. They know more about unconventional warfare better than your wanna-be SANDF. Really, u guys need to send your commanders to National War College here if you are ever going to be successful in international operations here in Africa.

Playing video game war simulation with big boys is never the same as asymmetric warfare against insurgents. well you will NEVER know because your military has never been in one.

So much for your inexperienced SANDF

DictatorZAR:

Why are you Nigerians continuesly questioning SA's citizenry on the bases of color. If we south africans have accepted our diversity no foreigner who don't even live and work in his own country has the right to question it. Why don't you Nigerians question Latino's, A Amreicans, Jews and others who migrated to US as foreigners, because the US is the worlds biggest immigrated nation.

And by the way the history of south african mining goes way back before colonialist came, even iron was made before the whites came here.

We all accept the fact that white afrikaaners played a pivotal role in SA's military tech since the day the world sanctioned SA and it was forced to either reverse engineer or create their own systems in order to fend of Soviet supported states, but the fact remains that africans played its part in labor force (even my own uncle worked for Atlas in the 1980's where they built aircraft and land systems for the then apartheid regime and he's not white).


@Aguagust, Denel is a 100% SA goverment owned company that makes it a predominantly black owned shareholder company. Companies like Paramount and BAE OMC including DENEL-SAAB Aeronautics are registered SA defense companies that is regulated by SA arms Laws, not even Paramount and BAE OMC can sell there weapons without oversite from SA's parliamentary regulations.

Stop trying to dictate to us who is South African because that's for us to decide not Nigerians.

Capnd143: sory, but you seem not to be refering to the current boko haram insurgencies! So please do get your acts right bro!

Capnd143: hahaha, and you forget that when nigeriaSat-x or 2 was built it was better than all UK SATELLITES AS OF THEN?

homerac7: Now I am forced to comment here again...

...has anyone noticed how these South Africans are only here to promote SA shit and only ridicule Nigeria facts?


SANDF failed woefully in CAR and they come here to top dress it as "lesser casualty victory"? Do they think anyone here is stuupiid?

Nigeria Armed Forces is internationally respected for her records and for the first time in my life, after that mis-informed Ghanian doofus of a journalist, I see South Africans here trying in vain to put NAF down so that "little" light can shine of disgraced SANDF. Now, if that isn't idiotic, what is it?

(Now I must name-call to home-in these illogicality...)

One of them stupiidly said since JTF lost men in raids, then JTF is incompetent. DAMN!!! are you guys this idiotic? do you know anything about intricacies of military operations other than posting hardware pictures? ...huh!

Now see another doofoos....they claim that because civilians were killed in counter insurgency operations, so NA is incompetent. Now, if you are so smart, show me just ONE country that's battling insurgency that doesnt have accusations of civilian deaths as collateral damage? if you can't, then you are an eediiot for making the accusation in first place!

Another said Nigeria Armed Forces have 2C issues....WTF! so na only SANDF holy pass abi? una dey mad! show your proof now or be the damned fool again! ....shaiiit!

Look, you boyz, I will never defend Nigerian military as saints, they surely have their excesses, but not for SANDF supporters to point out as their shameless asssses are out in the air. Your military can only learn from Nigeria if you want to avoid another humiliating defeat from rag-tag army. Nigeria suffered similar humiliation in hands of rebels when ECOMOG HQ was breached under command of a Ghanaian Supreme Commander and Samuel Doe captured right from hands of ECOMOG. But Nigeria did not pull out, we pushed ECOWAS to change mamdate from Peace Keeping to Peace Enforcement, with which the Supreme Commander was sacked and a Nigerian (Gen Joshua Dongoyaro) took command, tore all agreements with rebel groups and UNLEASHED HELL on all rebel fronts. They all broke off and end of the story is Liberia today.

Reason for the history lesson is to tell you that we have had your same of DISGRACE over 25 years ago! the difference is that we never LIED about ours, but reacted to it and today we are better fighting force for it. Then you will know why Nigeria military doesnt "play" with "civilians" in battle fronts. They know more about unconventional warfare better than your wanna-be SANDF. Really, u guys need to send your commanders to National War College here if you are ever going to be successful in international operations here in Africa.

Playing video game war simulation with big boys is never the same as asymmetric warfare against insurgents. well you will NEVER know because your military has never been in one.

So much for your inexperienced SANDF

DictatorZAR:

Why are you Nigerians continuesly questioning SA's citizenry on the bases of color. If we south africans have accepted our diversity no foreigner who don't even live and work in his own country has the right to question it. Why don't you Nigerians question Latino's, A Amreicans, Jews and others who migrated to US as foreigners, because the US is the worlds biggest immigrated nation.

Stop trying to dictate to us who is South African because that's for us to decide not Nigerians.

DictatorZAR:

Show me the 55 attack helo and the links please and not the usual ranting claims.

Few hours of battle when and where you don't even have the air firepower to take on an Umkhonto IR SAM as we speak.

While you have the Cobra VBL's we have the Ingwe missile systems to counter any mobile threat.

While have the BTR-U SANDF has the
-Badger with variants fitted with Ingwe anti tank systems.
-Ratel 90mm with a variant fitted with Ingwe as sown in picture below
-RG-35 APV with variants fitted with multirole anti-tank and land systems.
-Rooikat 105mm which is 10times more mobile then any heavy T72 MBT's and enough fire power to take them out.

It seems your miss calculated naïve patriotic rhetoric has again lack substance.