MikeCZAR:



1. Name: OtoBreda. 127/62



A. Effective firing range: 30,000 metres.

B. Maximum firing range: 120 kilometres.

Source: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otobreda_127/64


2. Name: AGS.

A. Range: 120km+

Source: http://www.baesystems.com/product/BAES_020037/advanced-gun-system-ags?_afrLoop=1958488203289000&_afrWindowMode=0&_afrWindowId=null



Destroyed!!!!!!!!!!! He's now shifting goal posts! Mentioning guided shells MOR.ON

lezz:
you ran short of ideas to disprove it.

lezz:
you say one thing, your actions says another.

Why are you afraid , uncomfortable and unsure?

With Nigeria's rise, south Africa is just a shadow.
Pretoria has expressed concerns and uncertainty.

Your rantings here are empty words.

lionel4power:
Nigerian president jets out for G7.

www.ngrguardiannews.com/2015/06/photos-buhari-jets-out-to-germany-for-g7-summit/


was Jacob zuma invited

agaugust:


Show me source of a naval gun with 120 km range with unguided shell.

Mumu domingo

agaugust:



Bwahahahaha NNS Aradu has similar 127 mm gun with 120 km range you MikeZAR Dundee Domingo !!!!!!

Nobody in Africa has guided shells, when we talk about shells on this forum, it's standard that we ONLY quote range for unguided shells.

Nigerian NNS Aradu has similar gun 127 mm Oto Melara gun with 120 km range.


http://www.otomelara.it/products-services/guided-ammunition/vulcano-127mm

http://archive.is/qUExe

Have you seen me claim 120 km range for NNS Aradu on this forum ?

Only a m0ron from South Africa will quote ammunition that does not exist in an African country as their weapons range.

All you Southies are mugus & magas who don't know how to write within CONTEXT, you always need Nigerians to educate you all

# SOUTHIE WRECKED ON A SUNDAY...BEYOND REPAIR...TECHNICALLY WRITTEN-OFF
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jln115:

You said NO naval gun can shoot 120 km... Only after I told you to go read my source again, did you modify your post.

MikeCZAR:


Oh I made a mistake!

Otobreda 127/64 not 127/62. Production begun in 2012.

And no it is different way different! They're not similar. Aradu uses the 127/54 Compact.

I know you're not knowledgeable about guns last time you told us there's something called "total calibre fire power".


Now learn a bit here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-unZOJEZjC4&itct=CDsQpDAYACITCIKbxrqZ_sUCFdGpHAod3-cAg1IPT3RvYnJlZGEgMTI3LzY0&client=mv-google&gl=ZA&hl=en

What best served hot? HUMBLE PIE!

MikeCZAR eats his own humble pie and then c0mmits Suiciide on a Sunday
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lionel4power:
Nigerian president jets out for G7.
www.ngrguardiannews.com/2015/06/photos-buhari-jets-out-to-germany-for-g7-summit/
was Jacob zuma invited

MikeCZAR:
NIGERIANS WILL COLLAPSE TOMORROW.

FOLLOW DEFENCE NEWS TOMORROW.

Henry120:



Provide technical proof to show that Mr Young is wrong, and you are right. He provided sound evidence, and not this emotional post you are throwing around.


The fact is clear, South-African Valour Frigates are obsolete , Sub-standard and run on an archaic combat suite far below the requirements of the South-African Navy.

Henry120:
[b][s]Withdraw ‘uncosted’ Defence Review, DA urges
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agaugust:


Yes, because in your own post you were quoting range of guided shell in an argument involving unguided shell.

You created the confusion, I cleared it for you.

In an exam, if you go off topic and out of context ....you fail !

I educated you, because you did not know the difference between guided and unguided shell.

Say thank you to me for the fresh and free Nigerian education you always benefit from, say thank you now...
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Patchesagain:
[size=16pt]THE DEFENSE REVIEW HAS BEEN PASSED BY PARLIAMENT!!!

To quote Churchill: Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.


Pic: Nigerian Teasr[/size]

agaugust:


[s]Withdraw ‘uncosted’ Defence Review, DA urges
BY WYNDHAM HARTLEY, 05 JUNE 2015, 07:04


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Defence department mulls riot squad
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[size=13pt]
LAST year’s Defence Review, which concluded that the South African National Defence Force was in decline and would take years to reverse, should be withdrawn because it had not been costed, Democratic Alliance (DA) MP David Maynier said on Thursday.[/size]

Speaking in the National Assembly during a debate on the Defence Review, Mr Maynier also accused the joint standing committee on defence of failing to give the review report the attention it deserved, holding only a handful of meetings in almost a year.

The review came to the conclusion that the military was in a critical state of decline and lacked core capabilities.

Committee chairman Stanley Motimele introduced the report on Thursday and called for its approval.

Mr Maynier said: "We have a constitutional responsibility to consider the financial implications of policy documents in Parliament.

"We propose the minister (Defence Minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula) withdraws the Defence Review from Parliament, and within a period of not more than six months commissions an independent audit of the cost estimates used in the review."

Freedom Front Plus MP Pieter Groenewald said it did not make sense to consider buying more weapons when those already bought could not be operated because of a lack of funding.

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The National Assembly approved the report on the Defence Review

[size=16pt]Paper Approval Of A Report That Has No Costs...No Money Attached....Only Paper Text[/s][/size]
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agaugust:


Yes, because in your own post you were quoting range of guided shell in an argument involving unguided shell.

You created the confusion, I cleared it for you.

In an exam, if you go off topic and out of context ....you fail !

I educated you, because you did not know the difference between guided and unguided shell.

Say thank you to me for the fresh and free Nigerian education you always benefit from, say thank you now...
.

agaugust:


Withdraw ‘uncosted’ Defence Review, DA urges
BY WYNDHAM HARTLEY, 05 JUNE 2015, 07:04


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Defence department mulls riot squad
A crisis too big to contemplate
DA says defence committee ‘failing in duty’ to hold minister to account
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[size=13pt]
LAST year’s Defence Review, which concluded that the South African National Defence Force was in decline and would take years to reverse, should be withdrawn because it had not been costed, Democratic Alliance (DA) MP David Maynier said on Thursday.[/size]

Speaking in the National Assembly during a debate on the Defence Review, Mr Maynier also accused the joint standing committee on defence of failing to give the review report the attention it deserved, holding only a handful of meetings in almost a year.

The review came to the conclusion that the military was in a critical state of decline and lacked core capabilities.

Committee chairman Stanley Motimele introduced the report on Thursday and called for its approval.

Mr Maynier said: "We have a constitutional responsibility to consider the financial implications of policy documents in Parliament.

"We propose the minister (Defence Minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula) withdraws the Defence Review from Parliament, and within a period of not more than six months commissions an independent audit of the cost estimates used in the review."

Freedom Front Plus MP Pieter Groenewald said it did not make sense to consider buying more weapons when those already bought could not be operated because of a lack of funding.

Inkatha Freedom Party MP Albert Mncwango said it was clear more funding was needed for the defence force, but not at the expense of other priorities.

The National Assembly approved the report on the Defence Review

[size=16pt]Paper Approval Of A Report That Has No Costs...No Money Attached....Only Paper Text[/size]
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jln115:
Minister welcomes Defence Review approval

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=39440:minister-welcomes-defence-review-approval&catid=111:sa-defence&Itemid=242

With the approval of the Defence Review, expect the Defence budget to almost double from 1.1% of GDP to 2% of GDP/ From $4 billion to $7 billion+

agaugust:



Foooool

You have sh0t MikeCZAR in the skulll Suicide mode !

NNS Aradu uses 127mm/54 gun and it uses Vulcano shell with 120 km range, same as the 127mm/64 gun.

"VULCANO 127mm ammunition is conceived to give the 127/54 C and the 127/64 LW OTO Melara Naval Guns the capability to meet any present and future requirement for Precision Naval Fire Support and Long Range engagement of Surface Targets."

http://www.otomelara.it/products-services/guided-ammunition/vulcano-127mm

So NNS Aradu has gun range of 120 km ....PROVED !

MikeCZAR eats his own humble pie and then c0mmits Suiciide on a Sunday
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MikeCZAR:
Didn't this man say no naval gun can reach 120km?

Did you read your source?

My point proved: Naval guns can reach a range of 120km.


Welcome back to class my student!

agaugust:


120 km ? Nope.

It's maximum 100 km and NOT a normal shell, it's. A guided shell/missile/rocket.

No naval gun range can reach 120 km, I am right, you are wrong.

Max range for Volcano guided shell is 100 km.

Welcome back to Monday classroom my dull Soweto student
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jln115:

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNIT_5-64_LW.htm

"System design requirements include a maximum effective range of 70 km. for the unguided munition, 100 km. for guided munitions fired from the 54-caliber gun, and 120 km for guided munitions fired from the 64-caliber gun. Accuracy is said to be better than 20 meters; payload performance is designed to deliver 100 kg. (220 lb.)/min. over a 1-hr. sustained period, 200 kg./min. over a 3-min. period and 300 kg./min. over a 10-sec. salvo."

agaugust:



Manufacturer's technical specifications data sheet says maximum range is 100 km.

http://www.otomelara.it/products-services/guided-ammunition/vulcano-127mm

Final authority is product manufacturer.

CASE CLOSED!
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agaugust:


120 km ? Nope.

It's maximum 100 km and NOT a normal shell, it's. A guided shell/missile/rocket.

No naval gun range can reach 120 km, I am right, you are wrong.

Max range for Volcano guided shell is 100 km.

Welcome back to Monday classroom my dull Soweto student
.

lionel4power:
Nigerian president jets out for G7.

www.ngrguardiannews.com/2015/06/photos-buhari-jets-out-to-germany-for-g7-summit/


was Jacob zuma invited