Patchesagain:


lol - SAS Drakensburg is 12,000t

SAAB-Grintek has BEE Level 3, which is the highest BEE rating

Nope SAS Drakensberg is a 6,000 ton ship empty weight. Nigerdock builds 10,000 ton ships empty weight.

Thanks for confirming that ANC governmwnt law forced SAAB to employ unqualified blacks as directors under BEE...well SAAB remains 100% Swedish technology imported from Europe, never mind who holds shares in South Africa. Sweden owns SAAB.

Patchesagain:


You produce lots because they are simple machines.

Why are you telling us about tracked vehicles that were built in your country by europeans and that is no longer manufacturing??

Your Mamba APC is a simple machine too, how many units does your factory produce in a year based on installed capacity? It's a simple machine, even Ethiopia makes MRAP more complex than your Mamba.

How is a tracked 4F APC simple? It runs on battle tank heavy steel tracks not rubber tyres, and you have no steel tracks APC production factory in the whole of South Africa.

Nigerians make the 4F APC as DICON has technology trsnsfer, we stopped production because we have fulfilled the 250 units ordered by NA, if we get a new order today, we produce more, or is your own RATEL IFV fsctory still producing RATELs today? Fool !

South African defence industry CANNOT produce tracked APC, Mortar Carrier, Command Post armoured vehicles like Nigerian defence industry. We bëåt you on this one

.

DieVluit:


So pathetic that they haven't even thought of withdrawing it if you will work in a workspace like what I posted.

Fool, you entered Proforce factory to measure their workspace size? You just google searched and grabbed a tiny photo of 3 vehicles under production in one corner of the factory.

Show us the factory workspace of Denel where they make armoured vehicles, show us your own photos, foolish boy-girl

agaugust:


Nope SAS Drakensberg is a 6,000 ton ship empty weight. Nigerdock builds 10,000 ton ships empty weight.

Thanks for confirming that ANC governmwnt law forced SAAB to employ unqualified blacks as directors under BEE...well SAAB remains 100% Swedish technology imported from Europe, never mind who holds shares in South Africa. Sweden owns SAAB.

Dude just shutup....Drakensberg is the largest ship ever built in Africa.

Come back when Nigeria has something bigger.

Also SAAB Grintek is a South African company.

agaugust:


Fool, you entered Proforce factory to measure their workspace size? You just google searched and grabbed a tiny photo of 3 vehicles under production in one corner of the factory.

Show us the factory workspace of Denel where they make armoured vehicles, show us your own photos, foolish boy-girl

How is this better? It's backwardness. This is basically a large, dusty shack that you are working from!

agaugust:


Nope SAS Drakensberg is a 6,000 ton ship empty weight. Nigerdock builds 10,000 ton ships empty weight.

Thanks for confirming that ANC governmwnt law forced SAAB to employ unqualified blacks as directors under BEE...well SAAB remains 100% Swedish technology imported from Europe, never mind who holds shares in South Africa. Sweden owns SAAB.

1. Citation for Niger dock

2. Who says they are not qualified?
2a. SAAB BOUGHT GRINTEK BECAUSE SAAB WANTED SOUTH AFRICAN TECHNOLOGY

agaugust:


Your Mamba APC is a simple machine too, how many units does your factory produce in a year based on installed capacity? It's a simple machine, even Ethiopia makes MRAP more complex than your Mamba.

How is a tracked 4F APC simple? It runs on battle tank heavy steel tracks not rubber tyres, and you have no steel tracks APC production factory in the whole of South Africa.

l !

South African defence industry CANNOT produce tracked APC, Mortar Carrier, Command Post armoured vehicles like Nigerian defence industry. We bëåt you on this one

.[/quote]

agaugust:


Your Mamba APC is a simple machine too, how many units does your factory produce in a year based on installed capacity? It's a simple machine, even Ethiopia makes MRAP more complex than your Mamba.

Mamba is simple? lol, its a monoqouce hull making it more advanced

agaugust:

How is a tracked 4F APC simple? It runs on battle tank heavy steel tracks not rubber tyres, and you have no steel tracks APC production factory in the whole of South Africa.

South Africa built a tank

agaugust:

Nigerians make the 4F APC as DICON has technology trsnsfer, we stopped production because we have fulfilled the 250 units ordered by NA, if we get a new order today, we produce more, or is your own RATEL IFV fsctory still producing RATELs today? Fool !

Who says it has tech transfer?

If you get a new order you cannot produce more - unless Nigeria keeps empty factories open and pays staff to do nothing

agaugust:
South African defence industry CANNOT produce tracked APC, Mortar Carrier, Command Post armoured vehicles like Nigerian defence industry. We bëåt you on this one

1. Europeans built them
2. We built a MBT

Your argument is invalid, stop wasting my time.

SOUTH AFRICAN PRIVATE MILITARY COMPANIES

1. TSS SURVIVAL SPECIALIST

COMPANY PROFILE:
The sourcing and procuring of tactical gear, camouflage clothing, fire-fighting and hunting equipment for industry related individuals like the military, special forces, police, fire-fighters and hunters, as well as the general public in both South African and rest of the world.
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COMPANY PROFILE
About UsProfile
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Our Values
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The VR Laser team has more than 15 years of experience and specialises in the manufacturing of a variety of steel products for a broad range of end-users, including the defence, mining, rail and transport industries.

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3. DENEL

COMPANY PROFILE
Denel SOC Ltd is a state-owned commercially-driven company and strategic partner for innovative defence, security and related technology solutions. It groups together several defence and aerospace divisions and associated companies.

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4. Aerosud Aviation Systems
COMPANY PROFILE
Aerosud is an established leader in the South African aviation industry, and a recognised and respected brand in the very competitive international market place. Aerosud considers that its business, management and technical skills has the potential for long-term sustainability as a credible, commercially successful private business enterprise.
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Southern African Shipyards has a proud and illustrious history in the South African shipbuilding industry. The yard was established in 1960 by a ship building company called Barends. In 1973 the yard was taken over by another ship building company called Sandock Austral to commence a Naval Ship Building Program. During the 1980s Oceanco entered into an agreement with Dorbyl Marine in Durban, whereby the basic construction of these vessels would be performed in South Africa under the joint management control of Oceanco and Dorbyl. The yachts would then be transported to Holland for final finishing and sea trials.

This arrangement continued until 1995 when Dorbyl announced that it was to close its shipbuilding operations in the Durban area and that it would no longer be able to manufacture for Oceanco. Southern African Shipyards (SAS) entered into negotiations with Dorbyl and Oceanco which resulted in the purchase of 11 hectare shipyard from Dorbyl. An agreement was reached between Oceanco and SAS whereby SAS would continue to manufacture the vessels for Oceanco on a dedicated supplier basis.
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6. CHUTE SYSTEMS

COMPANY PROFILE
Parachute Training Enterprises t/a Chute Systems opened its doors in 2003 by a core group of retired South African Paratroopers and Special Forces Operators. They all have extensive military and operational experience gained from practical experience in various theatres of war. Chute Systems is a South African Company and consists of specialist Airborne Training, Parachute and Parachute Related Equipment and Military Equipment Supply divisions. Chute Systems is geared to deliver a holistic service to their Clients
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SOUTH AFRICAN PRIVATE MILITARY COMPANIES

AEROSUD

COMPANY PROFILE
Aerosud is an established leader in the aviation industry supplying integrated manufacturing solutions. Aerosud is a smart supplier, capable of adding value to partnerships involving programme management, design, development and production processes
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CSIR COUNCIL FOR SCIENTIFIC AND INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH

COMPANY PROFILE
The Council for Scientific and Industrial Research (CSIR) in South Africa is one of the leading scientific and technology research, development and implementation organisations in Africa. It undertakes directed research and development for socio-economic growth.
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TFSA
COMPANY PROFILE
The aim of TFASA is to provide our customers, be they military or civil, national or international, with the best quality training and professional support
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REVA ARMOURED PERSONNAL CARRIERS

COMPANY PROFILE
The REVA is the brainchild of Flip Marx – CEO of ICP. Mr. Marx is a retired Special Forces Colonel with extensive expertise in armoured personnel carriers and ballistics. Collectively, he and his team of former Special Forces servicemen have over 50 years’ experience in military vehicle application and development.

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The vehicle went from strength to strength in operations and its exceptional performance in protecting the lives of civilian and military personnel resulted in further contracts.

Currently over 900 vehicles are now operational in the Middle East and Far East, where they are used by the US Special Forces, the Multi-National Security Transitional Command in Iraq (MNSTC-I), the Royal Thai Army and the Yemen Armed Forces. They are also being deployed in various African Countries like Somalia, Sudan and Nigeria.
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MIRO TECHNOLOGIES
Since MiRO distribution was founded in South Africa in 2001, the company has grown to be amongst South Africa’s leading distributors of Wireless, Networking, VoIP and IP Video products. MiRO has the experience and a proven track record of supplying powerful, flexible and scalable solutions to our client’s communication requirements.
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REUTECH

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Reutech is a truly South African defence group supplying local and export customers with advanced Original Equipment Manufacturer products and services in the land, sea and air defence domains, as well as in the industrial and mining sectors.
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SUN SPACE

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THALES
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ZEBRA ARMOUR

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South Africa has a first world infrastructure with skilled labor and high quality suppliers of raw materials used in the ballistic and body armour industry.The directors of the company have over 20 years of experience in the body armour business. Our strength lies in the engineering and development of efficient production processes resulting in highest quality products at very competitive prices. Due to our investment into high-Tec plant and the expertise of our research team, our weight /performance ratios beat other manufacturers.

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50% of SA navy vessels obsolete


Buhaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha



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Analysis:Sliding rand has serious implications for SANDF
Written by Helmoed Heitman, Wednesday, 03 February 2016

The steady slide in the value of the Rand since 2011 holds serious implications for the Defence Force, with the dramatic slide in December serving to underscore that. That recent slide may yet be reversed in the near term, but the longer-term trend will be more difficult to reverse.
The obvious risk is to equipment projects, and that faces the Defence Force with challenges it will find difficult to overcome. Government’s foot-dragging over equipment projects since the ‘Strategic Defence Packages’ has left the Defence Force very patchily-equipped: It has some modern equipment courtesy of those packages (frigates, submarines, Gripen, Hawk, Lynx) and 1990s projects (Rooikat, G6, Rooivalk, Oryx), and the is Badger entering production, but much else is obsolescent at best (Olifant, Casspir, Mamba, Samil, C-130) or totally obsolete (Dakota).

There are also critical capability gaps: The Navy has too few ships and half are obsolete; there are no maritime patrol aircraft; and the Army lacks real air defence capability. Assuming South Africa intends to play a regional role, there are also the lack of heavy/long-range airlift, tanker aircraft and sealift to consider.
Less obvious is the challenge of more expensive spare parts, which will limit the ability to keep existing equipment operational and hamper training. Even less obvious is the indirect impact of the sliding Rand, which will hit the economy and thus government revenue and the national budget.[/color] Unless funds are reprogrammed from under-performing ministries to defence - hardly likely - there is little likelihood of even a small increase in defence funding.[color=#990000]


If the Rand does not recover from its present parlous state against the major currencies, there is little chance of satisfying equipment requirements, and a budget that continues to limp along just below inflation will be fatal to efforts to implement the Defence Review, even those aspects that do not involve new equipment. And failure to at least begin implementation will see a rapid decline in capability.

Ok, i think the non Nigerians and SAs here should judge it already. Who is stronger between Nigeria and SA? Give your opinion and why you think one is stronger than the other.

Also, do you HONESTLY think your country is in the league of these two countries, SA and Naija?

I want the Kenyans, Namibians, Ghanaians, etc ppl here to comment.

craziebone:
Ok, i think the non Nigerians and SAs here should judge it already. Who is stronger between Nigeria and SA? Give your opinion and why you think one is stronger than the other.

Also, do you HONESTLY think your country is in the league of these two countries, SA and Naija?

I want the Kenyans, Namibians, Ghanaians, etc ppl here to comment.

Nigeria is stronger simple.


-We have the best trained,

-Best equipped,

- Best experienced,

- Best tailored military in SSA.


Our military is designed to deal with the threats and defeat it.

Henry240:
50% of SA navy vessels obsolete


Buhaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha



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Analysis:Sliding rand has serious implications for SANDF
Written by Helmoed Heitman, Wednesday, 03 February 2016

The steady slide in the value of the Rand since 2011 holds serious implications for the Defence Force, with the dramatic slide in December serving to underscore that. That recent slide may yet be reversed in the near term, but the longer-term trend will be more difficult to reverse.
The obvious risk is to equipment projects, and that faces the Defence Force with challenges it will find difficult to overcome. Government’s foot-dragging over equipment projects since the ‘Strategic Defence Packages’ has left the Defence Force very patchily-equipped: It has some modern equipment courtesy of those packages (frigates, submarines, Gripen, Hawk, Lynx) and 1990s projects (Rooikat, G6, Rooivalk, Oryx), and the is Badger entering production, but much else is obsolescent at best (Olifant, Casspir, Mamba, Samil, C-130) or totally obsolete (Dakota).

There are also critical capability gaps: The Navy has too few ships and half are obsolete; there are no maritime patrol aircraft; and the Army lacks real air defence capability. Assuming South Africa intends to play a regional role, there are also the lack of heavy/long-range airlift, tanker aircraft and sealift to consider.
Less obvious is the challenge of more expensive spare parts, which will limit the ability to keep existing equipment operational and hamper training. Even less obvious is the indirect impact of the sliding Rand, which will hit the economy and thus government revenue and the national budget.[/color] Unless funds are reprogrammed from under-performing ministries to defence - hardly likely - there is little likelihood of even a small increase in defence funding.[color=#990000]


If the Rand does not recover from its present parlous state against the major currencies, there is little chance of satisfying equipment requirements, and a budget that continues to limp along just below inflation will be fatal to efforts to implement the Defence Review, even those aspects that do not involve new equipment. And failure to at least begin implementation will see a rapid decline in capability.

More than 50%

Patchesagain:


lol - SAS Drakensburg is 12,000t

SAAB-Grintek has BEE Level 3, which is the highest BEE rating

This guy is confused.

Henry240:
50% of SA navy vessels obsolete


Buhaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha



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Analysis:Sliding rand has serious implications for SANDF
Written by Helmoed Heitman, Wednesday, 03 February 2016

The steady slide in the value of the Rand since 2011 holds serious implications for the Defence Force, with the dramatic slide in December serving to underscore that. That recent slide may yet be reversed in the near term, but the longer-term trend will be more difficult to reverse.
The obvious risk is to equipment projects, and that faces the Defence Force with challenges it will find difficult to overcome. Government’s foot-dragging over equipment projects since the ‘Strategic Defence Packages’ has left the Defence Force very patchily-equipped: It has some modern equipment courtesy of those packages (frigates, submarines, Gripen, Hawk, Lynx) and 1990s projects (Rooikat, G6, Rooivalk, Oryx), and the is Badger entering production, but much else is obsolescent at best (Olifant, Casspir, Mamba, Samil, C-130) or totally obsolete (Dakota).

There are also critical capability gaps: The Navy has too few ships and half are obsolete; there are no maritime patrol aircraft; and the Army lacks real air defence capability. Assuming South Africa intends to play a regional role, there are also the lack of heavy/long-range airlift, tanker aircraft and sealift to consider.
Less obvious is the challenge of more expensive spare parts, which will limit the ability to keep existing equipment operational and hamper training. Even less obvious is the indirect impact of the sliding Rand, which will hit the economy and thus government revenue and the national budget.[/color] Unless funds are reprogrammed from under-performing ministries to defence - hardly likely - there is little likelihood of even a small increase in defence funding.[color=#990000]


If the Rand does not recover from its present parlous state against the major currencies, there is little chance of satisfying equipment requirements, and a budget that continues to limp along just below inflation will be fatal to efforts to implement the Defence Review, even those aspects that do not involve new equipment. And failure to at least begin implementation will see a rapid decline in capability.

His Talking about the mine hunters and Strike craft which are being replaced through project biro.

So well done on pointing out the obvious.

craziebone:
Ok, i think the non Nigerians and SAs here should judge it already. Who is stronger between Nigeria and SA? Give your opinion and why you think one is stronger than the other.

Also, do you HONESTLY think your country is in the league of these two countries, SA and Naija?

I want the Kenyans, Namibians, Ghanaians, etc ppl here to comment.

SA : Most technologically advanced and Self sustainable Force in Africa.

Henry240:
50% of SA navy vessels obsolete


Buhaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha



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Analysis:Sliding rand has serious implications for SANDF
Written by Helmoed Heitman, Wednesday, 03 February 2016

The steady slide in the value of the Rand since 2011 holds serious implications for the Defence Force, with the dramatic slide in December serving to underscore that. That recent slide may yet be reversed in the near term, but the longer-term trend will be more difficult to reverse.
The obvious risk is to equipment projects, and that faces the Defence Force with challenges it will find difficult to overcome. Government’s foot-dragging over equipment projects since the ‘Strategic Defence Packages’ has left the Defence Force very patchily-equipped: It has some modern equipment courtesy of those packages (frigates, submarines, Gripen, Hawk, Lynx) and 1990s projects (Rooikat, G6, Rooivalk, Oryx), and the is Badger entering production, but much else is obsolescent at best (Olifant, Casspir, Mamba, Samil, C-130) or totally obsolete (Dakota).

There are also critical capability gaps: The Navy has too few ships and half are obsolete; there are no maritime patrol aircraft; and the Army lacks real air defence capability. Assuming South Africa intends to play a regional role, there are also the lack of heavy/long-range airlift, tanker aircraft and sealift to consider.
Less obvious is the challenge of more expensive spare parts, which will limit the ability to keep existing equipment operational and hamper training. Even less obvious is the indirect impact of the sliding Rand, which will hit the economy and thus government revenue and the national budget.[/color] Unless funds are reprogrammed from under-performing ministries to defence - hardly likely - there is little likelihood of even a small increase in defence funding.[color=#990000]


If the Rand does not recover from its present parlous state against the major currencies, there is little chance of satisfying equipment requirements, and a budget that continues to limp along just below inflation will be fatal to efforts to implement the Defence Review, even those aspects that do not involve new equipment. And failure to at least begin implementation will see a rapid decline in capability.

Yes, they are obsolete.

Thats why they are being replaced under OP BIRO

We all know this, or do you think we are in the business of replacing ships for fun??

When you replace something in the military the inference is that it is obsolete

Henry240:


Nigeria is stronger simple.


-We have the best trained,

-Best equipped,

- Best experienced,

- Best tailored military in SSA.


Our military is designed to deal with the threats and defeat it.

- Best trained lost 46 towns and cities to a handfull of insurgents on pick-ups, had to beg South African mercenaries/Chad/Cameroon to turn the tide of the war for them

- Best equipped with less than 60 rounds of ammunition, that ammunition is generally 40 years old, no medical supplies and uniforms they have to buy for themselves, no radio equipment and a shortage of proper load-bearing clothing, obsolte 1950's AK-47's Copies of Chinese copies of Ak-47's

- Best experienced? I will take well trained troops over experienced any day of the week.

- Best tailored with 60 year old ships, a mismatched hodge-podge of obsolete tracked vehicles (what is mobility warfare), a critical shortage of transport helos and only 7 operational air-force asstes.

Henry240:
50% of SA navy vessels obsolete
.[/color] Unless funds are reprogrammed from under-performing ministries to defence - hardly likely - there is little likelihood of even a small increase in defence funding.[color=#990000]

And yet we spend X3 that Nigeria does

Patchesagain:


And yet we spend X3 that Nigeria does

You spend most of your money buying huge quantities of expensive anti-HIV drugs for your 30 battalions of half-dead HIV infected soldiers and paying fat salaries and wages to idle soldiers who fight no war, 99% of SANDF sleeps at home jobless

DieVluit:


How is this better? It's backwardness. This is basically a large, dusty shack that you are working from!

Show us the factory workspace of Denel where they make armoured vehicles, show us your own photos, foolish boy-girl

jln115:

SA : Most technologically advanced and Self sustainable Force in Africa.

How is SA self sustainable? You import ALL vehicle engines for your MRAPs and IFV....you also import Cuban mechanics to teach SANDF how to repair your own SAMIL trucks that you claimed to have built locally, but need white Cuban boys to teach you how to repair and maintain your own product

# FVCKING WRECKED

agaugust:


How is SA self sustainable? You import ALL vehicle engines for your MRAPs and IFV....you also import Cuban mechanics to teach SANDF how to repair your own SAMIL trucks that you claimed to have built locally, but need white Cuban boys to teach you how to repair and maintain your own product

# FVCKING WRECKED

Hope you go and have fun with your only seven operational aircraft air force.

Bwahaha…

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agaugust:


[s]You spend most of your money buying huge quantities of expensive anti-HIV drugs for your 30 battalions of half-dead HIV infected soldiers and paying fat salaries and wages to idle soldiers who fight no war, 99% of SANDF sleeps at home jobless[/s]

False figures insult no one

agaugust:


[s]How is SA self sustainable? You import ALL vehicle engines for your MRAPs and IFV....you also import Cuban mechanics to teach SANDF how to repair your own SAMIL trucks that you claimed to have built locally, but need white Cuban boys to teach you how to repair and maintain your own product[/s]

# FVCKING WRECKED

1. So says we import all engines?

2. We use cubans because they are cheaper than local mechanics

The only thing that was "wrecked" was your own argument, or lack thereof

Boats on boats on boats....SAS Drakensburg in the bay today

Patchesagain:


And yet we spend X3 that Nigeria does

You spend most of that money on anti-retroviral drugs.


Still doesn't explain why half your navy fleet is obsolete.

A full half....... Buhahahahahahahahahaha!!!!


3 vessels equals half the South-African navy fleet.

Patchesagain:


SAAB BOUGHT GRINTEK BECAUSE SAAB WANTED SOUTH AFRICAN TECHNOLOGY

Nope, liar !

According to the official website of SAAB Grintek, the company is 100% SAAB of Sweden technology imported into South Africa, they have similar branches in Australia too !!!!

"Saab AB-Sweden serves the global market with world leading products, services and solutions ranging from military defense to civil security. Saab has operations and employees on all continents and constantly develops, adopts and improves new technology to meet customer’s changing needs. Research, development and production are carried out in Sweden, South Africa and Australia.

Saab in South Africa has capabilities ranging from electronic warfare, sensor technology, command & control systems, training systems, radio communication equipment, aviation, telecommunications and support solutions."

http://www.saabgrintek.com/about.php

Glory thieves, they want to steal Sweden's technology and call it proudly made in South Africa, later you will say you built Gripen jet and you built Volvo automobiles ! Thieves of Soweto !
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Patchesagain:


Yes, they are obsolete.

Thats why they are being replaced under OP BIRO

We all know this, or do you think we are in the business of replacing ships for fun??

When you replace something in the military the inference is that it is obsolete

Your project biro is at least 23years old.


Patrick so you hide the information from us that half your fleet is obsolete all this time.


Heitman says you don't have the money, project biro only exists on paper.


Why is half your fleet of Navy assets obsolete?

jln115:

His Talking about the mine hunters and Strike craft which are being replaced through project biro.

So well done on pointing out the obvious.

Point out were he said that?


He said half your fleet is obsolete


He also said you don't have the money to prosecute your defence review or any serious capital expenditure.


So jillingy, tell the world why the most "advanced" military in africa have half of it's navy fleet obsolete?