Khaliyah:

Where in the bible said tithe was abolished?

Ephesians 2:15New International Version (NIV)

15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace,

Hebrews 8:7-13New International Version (NIV)

7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. 8 But God found fault with the people and said[a]:


“The days are coming, declares the Lord,
when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.

9
It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they did not remain faithful to my covenant,
and I turned away from them,
declares the Lord.

10
This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.

11
No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.

12
For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”

13 [b]By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear

Lucasbalo:
Bozo, you are in pain for being a fool . Go feed your hungry parents in the village.

LIBERALISM HAS EATEN DEEP INTO YOUR EMPTY SKULL TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU CANNOT EVEN DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN GOOD AND BAD DONT ALLOW YOUR HATRED FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP TO SEND YOU TO AN EARLY GRAVE. OLODO JATIJAT

Who fights the church and win, nobody.
The Spirit of God gives understanding of the scriptures and no one filled with the Spirit of God would go against tithing in the church.

2bpat:
Who fights the church and win, nobody.
The Spirit of God gives understanding of the scriptures and no one filled with the Spirit of God would go against tithing in the church.

who is fighting the church? Pastors who fleece the flock with an unbiblical tithing law or Freeze who is fighting against the scam

FRESHG:
LIBERALISM HAS EATEN DEEP INTO YOUR EMPTY SKULL TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU CANNOT EVEN DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN GOOD AND BAD DONT ALLOW YOUR HATRED FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP TO SEND YOU TO AN EARLY GRAVE. OLODO JATIJAT

Worthless pig. You should worry about Buhari fixing Nigeria not about US where you have no stake in. You don't see me getting into the politics of Nigeria but fools like you who never step on an aircraft in your life is so consumed about a country you don't know diddly squat about. That's the difference between successful people and failures in life like you. Fix the Titanic first before getting BP about America.

PaChukwudi44:


Ephesians 2:15New International Version (NIV)

15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace,

Tithing has long been existing before the law. The law came in the order of Aaron, while tithing came about in oder of Melchizedek. A Eph 2:15 speaks about things that was under Aaron's order and tithing wasn't.

ericsmith:



wow !! paying offering and tithe is now wrong ...
by the way who is you or freeze wateva to tell us or sensitize us on what is right n wrong in the bible. ..
who are you?? ,,what do you know ? academically freeze no get some of these pastors resume.
can a mechanic read medical textbooks nd challenge a doctor to a practical test .. someone like yu Wil definitely stand with d mechanic .

I don't want to get myself involve in this but I can't look pass this statement - "academically freeze no get some of these pastors resume."

You are wrong on this.

The early Christians never attended any school to learn how to preach or do God's work. They were directed by the holy spirit. So, a pastor who holds a PhD in theology is no different from a student who went to school to get MBA to better his chances of getting a good paid employment and making it in life. One can easily said that such pastors were not called by God.

Khaliyah:

Tithing has long been existing before the law. The law came in the order of Aaron, while tithing came about in oder of Melchizedek. A Eph 2:15 speaks about things that was under Aaron's order and tithing wasn't.

ditto Circumcision but see what St Paul had to say to people like you who were preaching circumcision in the first century just like you are preaching tithes now.

Galatians 5:2-12

Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3 Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. 4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. 5 For through the Spirit we eagerly await by faith the righteousness for which we hope. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

7 You were running a good race. Who cut in on you to keep you from obeying the truth? 8 That kind of persuasion does not come from the one who calls you. 9 “A little yeast works through the whole batch of dough.” 10 I am confident in the Lord that you will take no other view. The one who is throwing you into confusion, whoever that may be, will have to pay the penalty. 11 Brothers and sisters, if I am still preaching circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been abolished. 12 As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!


The argument that tithe predated the law holds no water.The most potent proof that the church need not tithe was the fact that none of the apostles or any of the early Christians practised tithing.

PaChukwudi44:


Ephesians 2:15New International Version (NIV)

15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace,

Hebrews 8:7-13New International Version (NIV)

7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. 8 But God found fault with the people and said[a]:


“The days are coming, declares the Lord,
when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.

9
It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they did not remain faithful to my covenant,
and I turned away from them,
declares the Lord.

10
This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.

11
No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.

12
For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”

13 [b]By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear

PaChukwudi44:


Ephesians 2:15New International Version (NIV)

15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace,

Hebrews 8:7-13New International Version (NIV)

7 [b]For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. 8 But God found fault with the people and said[a]:


“The days are coming, declares the Lord,
when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.

9
It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they did not remain faithful to my covenant,
and I turned away from them,
declares the Lord.

10
This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.

11
No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.

12
For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”

13 [b]By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear

[/b]

PaChukwudi44:


Ephesians 2:15New International Version (NIV)

15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace,

Hebrews 8:7-13New International Version (NIV)

7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. 8 But God found fault with the people and said[a]:


“The days are coming, declares the Lord,
when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.

9
It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they did not remain faithful to my covenant,
and I turned away from them,
declares the Lord.

10
This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.

11
No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.

12
For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”

13 [b]By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear

9
It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they did not remain faithful to my covenant,
and I turned away from them,
declares the Lord.
Was tithing introduced when they came out of Egypt?

Lucasbalo:
What's up Buddy?. Still out here doing my thing in the Windy City trying to take care of business and the broods. Hope things are clicking for ya.

Oh that nice! we thank God in here, hows the politics over there?

Pastor Jones jailed for telling members to tithe 10% of their incomes.

Courtroom exchanges between a Judge of the Law and Pastor Jones.

The truth about tithing
(unknown author)

Judge: Mr. Jones you have been charged with multiple counts of extortion. Your crime spree covers 20 years and thousands of victims. You have defrauded people out of their money with fear and manipulation, telling them they had to tithe 10% of their income as per the LAW to your Regd. organization (called Church) and that God would bless them if they did. You also told them that if they didn't tithe God would curse them.
How do you plead?

Mr. Jones: I plead not guilty your Honor,
I have done nothing wrong. I have only preached what the Bible says. In the Bible Abraham tithed to Melchizedek and God blessed him for his faithful giving. The Bible even says he was rich in silver and gold.

Judge: Is it not true, Mr. Jones, that in Genesis chapter 13 verse 2 the Bible says Abraham was rich with livestock, silver and gold?

Mr. Jones: Yes, you are exactly right, that's what I just told you.

Judge: Ok, we read about Abraham being a rich man in chapter 13 but it is not until Genesis chapter 14 that we read about Abraham's tithe to Melchizedek. So Abraham was already a rich man before he tithed to Melchizedek, wasn't he?

Mr. Jones: Yes, I suppose you are right.

Judge: So his riches were not the result of his tithe to Melchizedek?

Mr. Jones: No.

Judge: Mr. Jones, you also say God blessed him for his faithful giving. How many times is it recorded that Abraham gave tithes to Melchizedek?

Mr. Jones: Well, just once.

Judge: So the Bible never said that he gave week after week?

Mr. Jones: No it does not.

Judge: Where did Abraham get the things that he gave to Melchizedek?

Mr. Jones: Well the Bible says it was from the plunders of war?

Judge: So you are telling me that he gave from the plunders of war?

Mr. Jones: Yes that's what the Bible says.

Judge: So he basically took things that were not really his in the first place and gave them as the tithe?

Mr. Jones: That is what the scripture seems to indicate.

Judge: Is it recorded that he ever took anything from his own possessions and tithed them to Melchizedek or anyone else?

Mr. Jones: I guess not

Judge: You guess not, you are a teacher and you are only guessing, is it or is it not written that he ever gave any of his own possessions as a tithe to anyone?

Mr. Jones: No it is not written anywhere that I have seen.

Judge: Is it recorded as to what exactly Abraham did give Melchizedek?

Mr. Jones: I believe it says plunder?

Judge: So plunder could be any number of things?

Mr. Jones: Yes, I suppose

Judge: It could have been food, cattle, sheep, the people's possessions or any number of things. It does not say it was all money correct?

Mr. Jones: Yes you are correct, it does not say just money

Judge: As a matter of fact money is never mentioned in that account at all is that correct Mr. Jones?

Mr. Jones: Yes your Honor, money is never mentioned just goods and food and people.

Judge: So there is no way you can say with any certainty that Abraham in fact gave Melchizedek any money at all?

Mr. Jones: That is right.

Judge: I only have one last question for you Mr. Jones, did God command Abraham to give this plunder tithe to Melchizedek?

Mr. Jones: No, it appears that he did this voluntarily.

Judge: So are you trying to tell me that because of this voluntary, one time gift by Abraham, that may not have even consisted of money, all Christians everywhere are obligated to bring 10% of their weekly paycheck to a local Regd.Organization-church?
Considering all the evidence I would say you are beyond any shadow of a doubt guilty of deliberately trying to make the scriptures says things they have not said for financial gain.

Mr. Jones: Ok your Honor, I can see how foolish I was to try and use the story of Melchizedeck to try and get the people to tithe money. But there are many other verses that will support my belief on tithing. Jacob said he would give God 10% of everything. I think we should follow his example.

Judge: Let's see what Jacob said. Please read the verse you are talking about for me Mr. Jones.

Mr. Jones: In Genesis chapter 28 starting at verse 20 it says. Jacob vowed a vow, saying, "If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and clothing to put on, so that I come again to my father's house in peace, and Yahweh will be my God, then this stone, which I have set up for a pillar, will be God's house. Of all that you will give me I will surely give the tenth to you."

Judge: You said we should follow Jacobs example, is that right Mr. Jones?

Mr. Jones: Yes that is right, he vowed to give a tenth and we should too.

Judge: Let me point out one thing for you Mr. Jones, Jacob said he would Give God a tenth, ONLY if He blessed him first. So as you said previously, we should follow Jacob's example and tell God that we will only give him a tenth if he blesses us first. Is that right?

Mr. Jones: That is not what I meant.

Judge: What did you mean then?

Mr. Jones: That we should give God a tenth also.

Judge: There you go again, trying to make the scripture say what you want it to say for your benefit. I would also like you to tell me the scriptures that say that Jacob kept his vow with God. I would also like to know where he gave the tenth to because there was no temple or levites to give it to at that time.

Mr. Jones: I can not think of any scriptures that say where or if he ever tithed after his vow.

Judge: It seems fairly obvious to me that Jacob made a voluntary and conditional vow to God. This in no way can be used as a reason to demand others to bring their income to you or any other place.

Mr. Jones: I do have a few more scriptures that I believe will show that we are supposed to tithe.

Judge: You have not said anything yet to convince me one little bit that people are obligated to tithe money to the local organizational institutions -churches and that you were justified in what you were doing. You have taken scripture and misapplied it to your beliefs and for your gain. But in order to be fair to you I will allow you to present more evidence.

Mr. Jones: In the book of Malachi chapter 3 starting at verse 8 it says, will a man rob God? yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, In what have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. Bring ye all the tithes into the store-house, that there may be food in my house, and prove me now with this, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. So you see your Honor, we are commanded to bring the tithes into the storehouse or God will curse us.

Judge: Answer me this Mr Jones, Who was God Speaking to here?

Mr Jones: To the People of Israel

Judge: Can you please read Malachi 2: 1 Please Mr Jones

Mr Jones: Now This command is for you O PRIEST !!

Judge: Did God stop talking to the Priest in chp. 3 Mr Jones?

Mr Jones: No your Honor!

Judge: Answer me this Mr. Jones, were you aware that God never required anyone to tithe money?

Mr. Jones: No I didn't know that.

Judge: The tithe spoken of here was always edible products never money.

Mr. Jones: well your Honor that is because they didn't have money at the time so God had them tithe food instead.

Judge: Not true, money is first mentioned in Genesis and Malachi was written hundreds of years later. God had them bring food in so that the levites, the fatherless and widows may eat and be satisfied. The tithe was used mainly to take care of people. Also notice it says in the verse you quoted, that there may be food in my house. The food was the tithe. How do you completely overlook the word food in those verses?

Mr. Jones: I don't know

Judge: I also want you to know that these verses speak to nation under the Old Testament law. As you may or may not know Jesus fulfilled the law, it is no longer binding.
Once again you have tried to completely take a scripture out of context and apply it to others for your benefit. Can you give me a single scripture where God changed the tithe from food to money?

Mr. Jones: I do not know of any.

Judge: So if God never changed it from food to money who did?

Mr. Jones: Man must have.

Judge: So far all you have done Mr. Jones, is take Old Testament scriptures out of context and try to apply it to believers under the New Covenant. Is this all the proof you have?

Mr. Jones: I do have a New Testament scripture that will show that Jesus told us to tithe.

Judge: Ok let me hear it.

Mr. Jones: Jesus said in Matthew 23:23 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint, dill, and cumin, and have left undone the weightier matters of the law: justice, mercy, and faith. But you ought to have done these, and not to have left the other undone. See Jesus said we should be tithing.

Judge: Let me ask you a question, who was Jesus talking to?

Mr. Jones: The scripture says the Scribes and Pharisees.

Judge: Are you a scribe or Pharisee?

Mr. Jones: Of course not.

Judge: Jesus also said in that passage, you have left undone the weightier matters of the law. Are we under the law Mr. Jones?

Mr. Jones: No.

Judge: Why not?

Mr. Jones: Because Jesus fulfilled it.

Judge: When did Jesus fulfill the law?

Mr. Jones: When He was crucified.

Judge: So the law was still in effect until Jesus death?

Mr. Jones: That is correct.

Judge: I think you know where I am going with this don't you?

Mr. Jones: Yes your Honor. Since Jesus had not yet been crucified and the law was still binding the Pharisees were required to tithe because it was part of the law. Once the law ended, tithing ended also.

Judge: I want you to take a look at that verse again. Also tell me, what were they tithing?

Mr. Jones: The scripture says it was mint, dill and cumin.

Judge: Is money mentioned?

Mr. Jones: No it was not.

Judge: Once again it was edible products that they were tithing, not money. Do you have anything else you would like to say?

Mr. Jones: If people only tithed edible products like the scripture says, then how would the church survive? We have our mortgage payment, utility bills, staff salary and a host of other things that we have to pay each week. We depend on the money from the people.

Judge:By "church" you mean your organization isn't it Mr Jones ?
-The need does not justify the means. In other words, just because you have all these debts does not give you the right to twist and manipulate scripture and cause people to give under fear of being cursed by God to meet your needs. Does It Mr Jones?
In closing, let me recap a few things for you Mr. Jones.
-The tithe was never money;
-The tithe was an Old Testament law, which is no longer binding. When it was binding the tithe was used to take care of people, not buildings.
- We are under a new covenant now.
Paul instructs the Corinthian believers how they are to give. He says in second Corinthians chapter 9 verse 7, Let each man give according as he has determined in his heart; not grudgingly, or under compulsion; for God loves a cheerful giver. So each believer is supposed to give as he or she has determined in his or her heart.
If they determine to Give 10% well and good, If they keep aside some every week to meet this more better.If you are trying to make people give under the threat of being cursed or any other reason even blessing, you are wrong. Someone can not give cheerfully if they are being forced to give. If 'your church can not survive on freewill offerings maybe God is not part of your church at all.
Mr Jones, Do you intentionally put your people under a Curse or a Bondage?

Mr Jones: Of Course Not !!

Judge: Can you Read in context Gal 3:10-11 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them ....
AND
Gal 5:1-4 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage....

Mr. Jones: I never realized all these things, I have always been taught that we had to tithe money to the local church and that is what I have always taught. I can see now that I was completely wrong. I did not study the scripture for myself, I only took mans word for it.
Yes ' am guilty. I will not teach this error anymore.

Sentencing....... All Arise .......

Lucasbalo:
Worthless pig. You should worry about Buhari fixing Nigeria not about US where you have no stake in. You don't see me getting into the politics of Nigeria but fools like you who never step on an aircraft in your life is so consumed about a country you don't know diddly squat about. That's the difference between successful people and failures in life like you. Fix the Titanic first before getting BP about America.

AS FAR AS IM CONCERNED, PROPHET BUHARI AND YOUR GAY LOVING FORMER PRESIDIOT ARE ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALISTS NOBODY TAKES EM SERIOUS. HUSSAIN O'BOMBER SHALL NEVER GO UNPUNISHED FOR ALL THE ATROCITIES HE COMMITTED IN AFRICA AND THE WORLD AT LARGE.

kinibigdeal:


Oh that nice! we thank God in here, hows the politics over there?

We are dealing with the politics and things will sort itself out. Will be in Lasgidi for Xmas and will Holla at you.

FRESHG:
AS FAR AS IM CONCERNED, PROPHET BUHARI AND YOUR GAY LOVING FORMER PRESIDIOT ARE ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALISTS NOBODY TAKES EM SERIOUS. HUSSAIN O'BOMBER SHALL NEVER GO UNPUNISHED FOR ALL THE ATROCITIES HE COMMITTED IN AFRICA AND THE WORLD AT LARGE.

Hungry clown. Keep wasting your life away while your contemporaries are stepping up in Life.

John 8:32
It is high time we see Christ in His Truest perspective. people of God break off from the hypnotism(yoke of this fake pastors and prophets parading themselves to be workers of God) and do the works of charity, because James 1:27 says "Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world."
This is what all Christians need, you should stop being slaves to these men who have lost it(OBJECTIVE FOR CHRIST DEATH) and have become thieves John 10:1
10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.10:8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.10:7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.10:6 This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.10:5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.10:4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.10:3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.10:2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
The Good shepherd is Christ and for you to see Him act for you obey His words leave alternatives to your sins by enslaving yourselves to sinners,challenge our Lord Jesus Christ to his words because He says a time is coming when TRUE worshippers must must worship Him in spirit and in truth John 4:23"4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him."
To be continued....

Khaliyah:
[b][/b]

9
It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they did not remain faithful to my covenant,
and I turned away from them,
declares the Lord.
Was tithing introduced when they came out of Egypt?

Was circumcision introduced when they left Egypt,? Was Paul wrong in Galatians 5?

People who are not encouraging abstinence from SIN is obviously the thief coming through the back door thereby introducing philosophical doctrines to reap you of your hard earned money by the PROSPERITY GOSPELS. YES, it is good to be prosperous but first seek first the Kingdom of God and it's righteousness and every other thing shall be added unto you
Matthew 6:33

Let's unite and bring back SANITY INTO CHRISTENDOM for now I think it is a business venture may the Holy Spirit spoil completely the works of fake pastors all over the world in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ Amen in the Blood of our Lord Jesus Christ Amen even now and forever more Amen

#Isaynofakepastors
#isaynotofalseteachers
#isaynotothegospeltithingandyestorighteousness

Peace and Onelove
Daddy freeze I Stand with you

drunkpunk:

Bros no be lie. I don touch am o. Lol

migrate to skunk. weed no good for u

Lordfranklin:
Lol! I like his choice of words and biblical back up!
Dude's a real pain in the ass for these men of God.

How many of them are men of God? I begi

Mtchewww... So many pastors torment their wives more than freeze did. They don't even believe / pay the tithes they ask people to pay. Just to deceive, gather money for their numerous women and children. Abegi....

slegerman:



I don't want to get myself involve in this but I can't look pass this statement - "academically freeze no get some of these pastors resume."

You are wrong on this.

The early Christians never attended any school to learn how to preach or do God's work. They were directed by the holy spirit. So, a pastor who holds a PhD in theology is no different from a student who went to school to get MBA to better his chances of getting a good paid employment and making it in life. One can easily said that such pastors were not called by God.

when I said "academically" ... i was referring to we the elites,,who will always want to use educational knowledge to explain God ,, I meant what moral or academic grounds did freeze or evenyou,,have to think you can decipher God ways as against chosen men of God.. even if my the pastor is Yahoo,,leave is church,,find anoda church or stay in your house ,,who cares !! no be by force ..
judging men of God is like inviting God's wrath,,he warned against it .. he even emphasised judge no one ..so??

Khaliyah:

You heard, u are not even sure u started hating him, do know if God asked him to do dat?

God asking him to dump his sponsor and break agreements? Jehovah is not that kind of God. He respects agreements (covenants).

PaChukwudi44:


Freeze did not write any books of the new testament.The apostles did and they told us the jewish laws like tithing has been abolished.BTW I never tod you offerings has been abolished as it was practised by the early church.

lol !!! what's d difference between offering/tithe and the term "GIVE " remember luke 6:38 .... or was church blacklisted.
Mathew 25:31-46 ... still talking about giving ... my brethren ..... are the pastors blacklisted .
Matt or luke which one is not from New testament,,,perhaps you want to differentiate donations in churches from giving

emrain:


In 2016 a MMM participant would have said the same...

Very soon I'm sure you will change your stance on this issue. Bless up.

Tithing is not Ponzi scheme.
That sounds ignorant, don't you think?

Great men who are tithers have lived prosperously and died prosperously.
I have references and lots of examples bro.

Forgerrit

lexy2014:
if u feel freeze and others are ignorant, y not enlighten them with well researched backing from d bible laced with Bible verses cos all I c is emotional defense of pastors. What u are saying is that d bible is d professional handbook 4 pastors. Pls read 2 Timothy 2:15; 3:16. D Bible is d hand book 4 all Christians not pastors alone

the only enlightment you or freeze nation needs is ,, you guys have the fundamental right to stay away from churches ... keep ur hard earn money but Don't tell me or other how to spend our.
there are times I go to church with dropping even offering ...guest what no one arrested me or pointed a gun to my head to drop money ....we all do waters we chose simply by choices. ..why the need for any debate or noise.

Khaliyah:

But tithing has Been in existence long before the Law, so it's not applicable to vex 12. Tithing and circumcision were before the law that's why they are still being practiced, or you think circumcision should stop too because of the Law?

Animal sacrifice too was before the law, ABEL NOAH ABRAHAM JACOB JOB all of them used animals to atone for their sins and also to thank God. Why are the pastors not asking people to sacrifice animals. what abraham did was not the tithing of the mosaic law. It was not from his earnings they were spoils of war other peoples property, he gave 10 percent to the priest and 90 percent to a pagan king because the spoils were from his people.

God did not tell him to do it and he did not continue to give the priest his earnings monthly or yearly. it was a voluntary action. Even for the jews, there wasno punishment attached to not tithing. No whereis it said that you are cursed or calamity will befall you if you dont tithe as all these pastors keep saying to scare people. please read the scriptures and stop following modern day pharisees with their traditions of men.

Khaliyah:

Why did the founder of four square opened the church? Cus there where churches before four square!

PROLIFERATION OF CHURCHES IS THE HAND WORK OF SATAN AND NOT GOD. That was why I said God cannot command someone to open a church.

Yes! i give it to Freeze or whatever name he answers; however his knowledge in the word of God should not be tailored against tithing alone! i hope he is also bornagain, sanctified and meat for heaven?
Now, it's a pertinent call to the pastors and preachers of the gospel who think God is interested in this tithing thing;the gospel truth is that God is never interested in the tithing, God's blessings can NEVER be solicited with Corruptible (failing) money. God is only interested in your heart and obedience. I challenge any pastor to show me where was demanding tithing as a factor for blessing in post Jesus era. When you lay claim to Abraham in Hebrew:God was illustrating how he went and conquered all brought the spoil of the enemy to Melchizadech (the Priest) has normal practice, Samuel era, David era et al! But Jesus came that the law have no dominion over us again, that's the reason He came, so no killing of Rams et al to blot sins anymore, no an eye for eye again because we leave in the dispensation of GRACE!
Conclusively, this is the singular reasons Nigerian Pastors have been very lukewarm, powerless and lack boldness! because they continue to see evil in the country but can't respond effectively because of the god of gold have kept them perpetually lukewarm.
Let me tell you pastors, God can use anybody to bring about the desired change irrespective of the persons spiritual status; out of the mouth of babes shall....... It is quite colossal that God is raising someone outside the church to minister this.
Finally, with or without tithe the church can effectively be preached, infact that's when you see God raising men,because the real love in the apostle's doctrine according the book of ACTS begin to fulfill in itself;not the jonkatting we claim to be doing with private jet and playing around. There are some very good pastors anyway worth mentioning Pst W.F Kumuyi. et al

emusmithy:


Tithing is not Ponzi scheme.
That sounds ignorant, don't you think?

Great men who are tithers have lived prosperously and died prosperously.
I have references and lots of examples bro.

Forgerrit

Read your previous comment and check the meaning of ponzi scheme. Or is God the real Baba ijebu?