I've decided to come up with a name for my belief in losing salvation. Since osas people like to use names to demonize me and everyone who dares disagree with them, I came up with a name that will stop this.
They like to call our doctrine works salvation. It is something made up by them to discredit those who do not believe as they do. So I'm going to call what I believe **Obedient Salvation**.

So now when they demonize me by claiming I believe in working for my salvation I'll just say: It's not works it's being Obedient. And because you refuse to be Obedient you call what I do works.

So now the debates and arguments will be about being Obedient and not works. And osas aka once save always saved will be exposed for what it is.

Works salvation, the name they made up, is now **Obedient Salvation**. So osas when you came at me or anyone else here with works salvation, let's see how that works out for you.

And yes you can walk away aka Lose Salvation. It's when you refuse to be obedient to what God tells you to do. Why do you think the goats were thrown into Hell? Not because they were unsaved, it was because they refused to be **obedient** to the Lord. Because to claim that they were unsaved you'd have to prove that the Bible refers to the unsaved as goats. And to this date no one has. Because if you can I'll convert to Once Saved Always Saved right here right now.

The challenge has been made now let's see you prove it. Are goats unsaved sinners? Verses please! ~ Issac

Source: https://www.facebook.com/EvolutionIsALie/

When osas believers get cornered, they start making stuff up. I asked the question: If the goats in the sheep and goats judgment are unsaved sinners. Prove it with scripture. No one has because no one can. Osas (once saved always saved) claim this only because that's the only way their teaching will work. Which is wrong because the Bible does not conform to a teaching, the teaching conforms to the Bible.
So because I have asked this question 20 times to osas believers and they all ignore it to make it go away. As if that is how you address things in the Bible. Below is an example of how things are often made up on the fly to try to make something work.

Does the sheep and goats judgment apply to this church age? Yes because Christ judges His own. And the comment already started to receive likes and it's only been up less than a day. Which shows instead of correcting one another on this, osas believer will go with whatever works. Even adding to what is not even in the Word of God. ~ Issac

solite3:


op the goats were the unsaved, note that there are only two categories of people in the world, the goats aka the unsaved and the sheep aka the saved.
it is either you are unsaved or you are saved. there is no middle ground however the works of each will prove whom they are!

OLAADEGBU:


That goat is trying to force its way into the garden through the back door.

solite3:


funny pix

OLAADEGBU:


Goats are always stubborn.

solite3:
Goats are stubborn by nature, this is a clear description of the man who is not bornagain

alBHAGDADI:
@OP No one is mocking you for being obedient. OSAS people are also obedient, so don't make it it seem like its something exclusive to you alone.
.Why you are being mocked is because you depend on your obedience to save you instead of Jesus. You believe you can play a huge part in your salvation by depending on your works of obedience. The criteria to being saved as seen I. John 3:16 and many other verses is simply by believing in Jesus Christ. Nowhere is it stated that you have to add works to have eternal life.

jamael:


SMH.
Jesus told his disciples who were with him to watch and pray. He also told them to take heed unto themselves. He saved them, was with them, prayed for them and they believed in him. Yet, he still saw, and sees, the need to tell them to watch.

The act of watching and taking heed is what you guys call works.

When in Revelations, the Bible speaks of rewards for the overcomers, it means they have a role to play. Confidence in God and his word on one hand, putting that faith to work on the other hand.

When we face temptations, Jesus gives us the grace we need, but he watches us use it.

Even Jesus warned his own disciples of the danger and peril of losing their salvation. Paul, James, John, Jude and Peter all stress that repeatedly.

What believers have is "conditional security". Check out the presence of the word "if" in the New Testament and get wise.

And by the way, the criteria is not just believe. It is actually REPENTANCE AND FAITH. Not just faith. Because, the Bible clearly states, that the Devil also BELIEVES and trembles.

alBHAGDADI:
So you say one can lose his salvation. That means he was never saved in the first place.


John 10:27-29

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

Did you read the above passage? Jesus said his sheep will never perish, neither will any man pluck them out of his hands. The Father has given them to him and his father's hands are strong; no man can pluck them out of His hands.

Yet you say one can lose his salvation. You even say what Christians have is conditional security. That is to say Jesus is not sufficient for us. We are just living under maybe.

When we say works is not what get you saved, what we mean is that trusting on your righteousness and good deeds to save you from eternal damnation is wrong. Your righteousness is like filthy rags before God. We aren't saying you shouldn't strive to be righteous, which gives you reward in heaven. But relying on that to get you to heaven is the same as trying to save yourself. Jesus did it all, that's why he said it is finished. You have no part to play in your salvation other than just believe.

Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV)
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boas

johnw47:


sol, again you just talk out of your head
the goats are not clearly stubborn people at all, or else skeptical and stubborn thomas just to name one
would be of the goats, the goats are those cursed of God for not following Him and His way, not having faith



Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come,.....


Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed,.....

jamael:


It seems you don't understand the point of conditional security. Let me show you some instances.
Acts 27:22-25. "For there stood by me this night the angel of God, whose I am, and whom I serve,
Saying, Fear not, Paul; thou must be brought before Caesar: and, lo, God hath given thee all them that sail with thee.
Wherefore, sirs, be of good cheer: for I believe God, that it shall be even as it was told me.

From this passage, we can clearly conclude, that those men would be saved despite the raging wind. Eternal security means that by no means possible, will they be destroyed by the wind.

But the Bible disagrees. See what it says here.
Acts 27:31. "Paul said to the centurion and to the soldiers, Except these abide in the ship, ye cannot be saved. "

Does this mean that God lied to Paul, No. It is simply a pointer that God's promises are conditional. It doesn't mean they were not promised or saved initially.

Another instance is in Genesis 19:15-26.
God had promised Abraham to save Lot. The angels came, gave them the warning, dragged them out, told them to escape to the mountains and not to look back.

Genesis 19:26 "But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt". What happened here? Were they not promised? We're they not saved? They were. But it was on the condition of not looking back.

Finally, In John15:4-6
Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
I am the vine, ye are the branches :He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

That, my friend, is Jesus statement on Conditional security. The condition, therefore is to abide.

May God give you understanding. Amen

solite3:
smh, where did I say goats are stubborn people? read up, people's post very well before replying

solite3:
Goats are stubborn by nature, this is a clear description of the man who is not bornagain

alBHAGDADI:


@OP No one is mocking you for being obedient. OSAS people are also obedient, so don't make it it seem like its something exclusive to you alone.
.Why you are being mocked is because you depend on your obedience to save you instead of Jesus. You believe you can play a huge part in your salvation by depending on your works of obedience. The criteria to being saved as seen I. John 3:16 and many other verses is simply by believing in Jesus Christ. Nowhere is it stated that you have to add works to have eternal life.

solite3:
smh, where did I say goats are stubborn people? read up, people's post very well before replying

OLAADEGBU:


Goats are always stubborn.

solite3:
yea, a description of the unregenerated man.

OLAADEGBU:


Shouldn't 'Believing' be counted as 'works' if you are consistent with your definition of what you term to be works?

johnw47:


duh sol, your twisting of your lies is just more lying

goats are stubborn = people not born again



you are clearly wrong yet again sol, the goats are those cursed by God
being stubborn is hardly even a sin, oh duh

solite3:
smh, why were they cursed by God?

johnw47:


sol since you don't believe God that the goats are cursed
i won't waste the few seconds of time that it would take
to tell you the very very simple answer that even a novice
christian would know or be easily able to look up in the bible
that they unlike you believe

Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed,.....

solite3:
you don't even know what you are saying,

johnw47:


keep on lying and fooling yourself phony

OLAADEGBU:


Shouldn't 'Believing' be counted as 'works' if you are consistent with your definition of what you term to be works?

johnw47:


true believing-faith is not works (God does the works in the saved) it's a gift of God,
believers can take no credit at all for their faith, except that God granted it to them
because they asked to know Him, they sought Him before hand

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Mat 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
Mat 7:8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

alBHAGDADI:


Believe is not a work. Works is when you do goods, do well to abstain from sin and live a righteous life.

OLAADEGBU:


Do you mean that knowing the truth of God's word and obeying them is works?

OLAADEGBU:


Can 'Asking to know Him and Seeking Him before hand' be counted as works?