kernel505:



I support Tithing only if it goes to the (Fatherless, Pastors, Strangers, Widows) according to Deutronomy 14:29, not giving it to only Pastor.

Yes! That's when I can give it to my Pastor. Because if I give him, he goes on shopping, buying Gucci and Prada, without giving food to the Orphans and widows... Then I'm a fool.

NOTE: The four are entitled to my tithe, not just one.

oruma19:
criminal that's what u all are.
Romans: 1. 32. Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Statsocial:

You are talking to your entire lineage. idiot!

Statsocial:

You are talking to your entire lineage. idiot!

Topgainer:
@ Statsocial, I read all your threads/posts in recent time but I am restrained by my promise not to engage you on threads concerning your Darling Bishop. I am also convinced that your are a direct beneficiary of the system that takes money from the crowd and places it in the authority of a few trustees using God as a vehicle. I am not exactly sure you have taken out time in all honesty to compare and contrast some of your beliefs, and that of your mentors with that of Jesus.
You may call me a devil from the pit of Hell, a scorner, a persecutor and throw curses like your mentor. I don't care, I am unperturbed by them because of my knowledge of works of Christ in the life of those of us He had reconciled to God.

It is a very difficult thing to serve God and Mammon, and be loyal to both at the same time. Can we really build businesses and real estates for God's Kingdom on earth? Competing with conglomerates of this world, all for God. I wish Myles Munroe is alive today to continue explaining away how that is possible.
For your consideration.
I own a company by registration that generates at least a billion naira every month, the company is presented to partners as it belonging to all of us. I own subsidiaries that generate a fraction what my partners put together in the parent company. The subsidiaries sells books, blessings, open heaven, gates of hell, sacrifice and a whole lot of others including transacting shares at the NSE. I am the signatory to the bank accounts, I sign out Checks for everything the Companies need for expansion, some of which are my direct interest like real estates. I don't need to touch money, anything I need I beat the price, authorize the payment, the bank or my account officer deliver the money from the bank account of the Subsidiaries or Parent holding. Sometimes, money can move from the parent company (current account) to solve a problem or projects that concern the Subsidiaries (savings/investments).
I tell my partners who are neither shareholders nor registered trustees of my company, I have never received salary from the business nor touched any money (Profits) from the business. Whereas, from the foregoing, I own the company by registration and I am the sole authority to the accounts.
I realized something, I lied to them and to myself. And this is the Unclad Truth.

Statsocial:

Look I am not disputing the fact that there is fraud in Churches. But it just might not be the people most of you are pointing to.

Let me tell you. It won't take me more than 20 million naira to create a lasting illusion that Living Faith or RCCG are Giving Churches if I was their GO. All I have to do is budget 10 million naira on buying bags of rice to be distributed at Agege market and budget another 10 million for Publicity. And after I am done You would clap for me and celebrate me. But God would have seen the Hypocrisy in my heart. He would know that what I did was borne out of pride and deception and not love and Charity in my heart.
By your Standards I would be an Awesome man because you saw me on NTA doling out Rice to the poor but God would see me as a crook because of my insincerity.

One of the reasons why I think you should give rccg and LFC a second look is that they do well in concealing the the good they do. And for me that is a proof of sincerity.

-When Oyedepo gave those numerous Items to Survivors of Sierraleone landslide. There was no mention of it anywhere by the church.
-When he refurbished 20 schools in Kwara, there was no mention of it anywhere.
-When he paid the salaries of Benson Idahosa University workers for years there was no mention of it anywhere. --When he gave aid to Rwanda's govt no mention of it anywhere.
-When Red Cross said living faith gave the largest consignment during Ikeja Bomb Blast there was no mention of it anywhere.
-When he gave or borrowed Liberia 500,000 USD there was no publicity.
-The Church has spent 1 billion on educational scholarship in the past years yet no mention of it on social media
It was influential church members who felt threatened by the recent attack on Churches that then started to share these things on social media platforms. Now if it took me a person who is close to the ministry a lot of time to fish out these givings through third parties how would you who isn't close to the ministry even know at all.

I call for accountability of church finances just like everyone else and I am not trying to protect Oyedepo. It is the image of the church we are protecting! When the Catholic church committed atrocities during the middle ages we all, whether Pentecostals, Orthodox answer for it today. We have a responsibility to say the truth and ensure that criticism and praise are both balanced. You can't criticize all of the perceived errors in church and shout down those who want to praise these same churches and be fair.

Cc rhymz PastorOluT wallade

Wallade:


God is unquestionable and his ways can also be mysterious so pray for understanding. He can use whoever he wishes to use and you can do nothing about it. If many sound Christians, so to speak, are unavailable for use or wouldn't speak the truth about the matter because they don't want to "touch the anointed or do the prophet any harm". God can use the so called " man who hasn't fixed his life or man of daddy freeze calibre" to communicate to the world. Never dwell on the messenger because you may be distracted or miss the point, ponder on the message".

@Statsocial, are you better than daddy freeze to qualify you as eligible to fix the confusion on tithe issue. Can we say your life is absolutely fixed too.

Statsocial:
First of all no Pastor is being threatened by freeze or whatever you call him. Some of them are just alarmed by his effrontery just the same way the Apostles of Old were alarmed at some individuals who were trying to mislead the Church with a different message even though they had no Authority to do so.

You need to get something straight no matter what you do you can't stop the core rccg, winners, Deeperlife or mfm members from paying tithes. Perhaps the only ppl you would convince are ppl who never paid before.
And I would say this, whether Christians pay tithe or not is entirely up to pastors to decide.

When Jesus left the Earth he gave the church two things
1) The Holy Spirit
2) Men of God(Church leaders)

He did this because he believed the Church would be fine as long as the Hierarchy in Church holds. This goes in line with how God establishes institutions. When he created the family he made the man the head and when man said that structure wasn't in line with modernity they began to do it their own way and today America has a 50% divorce rate resulting in many fatherless children many of whom end up in prisons, addicts etc.

Back to Churches. Whenever there was dispute in the Early Church the Jewish Christians, Macedonian Christians, Corithian Christians, Thessalonians all wrote to the Church for Doctrinal Guidance and Church responded with scriptural(old testament) references. They sought for the leadership of the Apostles even though they had access to the same Old Testament that Paul Used to prove the instructions of the Church. They knew it was important to achieve oneness in the body of Christ so they had to submit to the leadership of the Church in Humility.

The same Berean Christians that is so cited by most of these rebels got their proof from Paul who used the Old Testament to build his case. How is it now that the same Old Testament is abominable to use by today's pastors. We all Know what the opinion of Abraham, Moses and Jesus about the Tithe.

Lol some of those rascals even claimed Jesus was referring to the Pharisees. However the Church learned to pray in sincerity after Jesus condemned the PHARISEES for hypocritical prayer and fasting. The Church learnt not to Condemn after Jesus defended the adulterous woman who was being hounded by Legalist(PHARISEES), the church learned that Sabbath was not important after Jesus played down Sabbath while conversing with Pharisees. How is it now that the same Jesus who taught the Church using the Pharisee is now being sidelined in the Faith he created?

The only ones whose opinion was never recorded about Tithing were the Apostles of the Early Church. Understanbly because Christians gave more than the Tithe in those days. However the Apostles of the Early Church are in the same dispensation as the apostles of today. Hence the clarity over tithing can only be given by Today's Church leaders.

The last time when Church members tried to school the Apostles it led to an error of Peter and resulted in Paul having to openly rebuke him.
At a time, Paul was so pressured by some of these know it all Christians that he had to carry out circumsicision on an adult male to pacify some church people

That same mistake would never be allowed to repeat itself! The Church leaders have the Authority to lead the Church and no one else. If you are not happy about it you can stay in your house!

Lastly what is Femi Aribisala angry about with Ashimolowo calling Freeze a Yoyo. Haven't you heard how Paul delivered the physical body of a Christian who was troubling him to be judged by Satan(which essentially means Sickness)

Freeze as probably done worse by insulting Pastors and calling them Yahoo boys hence those pastors are allowed to Spiritually deal with him. Let us correct his brain so his spirit can be saved.

helpishere:


What about the wolves in sheep clothing? Who left them in the Church? Satan or Pope? Holiness and salvation has been abandoned for tithes. Are we going to allow people to bring gifts with blemish to the house of God? Have you heard any of these men condemn a thief that brings money into the church . They even create a seat for them

Xda59:


What a shame! You can't take 3 minutes to read an article but can spend hours sucking dick. That is how you people end up with no knowledge but only pussy and booty as assets.

Statsocial:
First of all no Pastor is being threatened by freeze or whatever you call him. Some of them are just alarmed by his effrontery just the same way the Apostles of Old were alarmed at some individuals who were trying to mislead the Church with a different message even though they had no Authority to do so.

You need to get something straight no matter what you do you can't stop the core rccg, winners, Deeperlife or mfm members from paying tithes. Perhaps the only ppl you would convince are ppl who never paid before.
And I would say this, whether Christians pay tithe or not is entirely up to pastors to decide.

When Jesus left the Earth he gave the church two things
1) The Holy Spirit
2) Men of God(Church leaders)

He did this because he believed the Church would be fine as long as the Hierarchy in Church holds. This goes in line with how God establishes institutions. When he created the family he made the man the head and when man said that structure wasn't in line with modernity they began to do it their own way and today America has a 50% divorce rate resulting in many fatherless children many of whom end up in prisons, addicts etc.

Back to Churches. Whenever there was dispute in the Early Church the Jewish Christians, Macedonian Christians, Corithian Christians, Thessalonians all wrote to the Church for Doctrinal Guidance and Church responded with scriptural(old testament) references. They sought for the leadership of the Apostles even though they had access to the same Old Testament that Paul Used to prove the instructions of the Church. They knew it was important to achieve oneness in the body of Christ so they had to submit to the leadership of the Church in Humility.

The same Berean Christians that is so cited by most of these rebels got their proof from Paul who used the Old Testament to build his case. How is it now that the same Old Testament is abominable to use by today's pastors. We all Know what the opinion of Abraham, Moses and Jesus about the Tithe.

Lol some of those rascals even claimed Jesus was referring to the Pharisees. However the Church learned to pray in sincerity after Jesus condemned the PHARISEES for hypocritical prayer and fasting. The Church learnt not to Condemn after Jesus defended the adulterous woman who was being hounded by Legalist(PHARISEES), the church learned that Sabbath was not important after Jesus played down Sabbath while conversing with Pharisees. How is it now that the same Jesus who taught the Church using the Pharisee is now being sidelined in the Faith he created?

The only ones whose opinion was never recorded about Tithing were the Apostles of the Early Church. Understanbly because Christians gave more than the Tithe in those days. However the Apostles of the Early Church are in the same dispensation as the apostles of today. Hence the clarity over tithing can only be given by Today's Church leaders.

The last time when Church members tried to school the Apostles it led to an error of Peter and resulted in Paul having to openly rebuke him.
At a time, Paul was so pressured by some of these know it all Christians that he had to carry out circumsicision on an adult male to pacify some church people

That same mistake would never be allowed to repeat itself! The Church leaders have the Authority to lead the Church and no one else. If you are not happy about it you can stay in your house!

Lastly what is Femi Aribisala angry about with Ashimolowo calling Freeze a Yoyo. Haven't you heard how Paul delivered the physical body of a Christian who was troubling him to be judged by Satan(which essentially means Sickness)

Freeze as probably done worse by insulting Pastors and calling them Yahoo boys hence those pastors are allowed to Spiritually deal with him. Let us correct his brain so his spirit can be saved.