Abraham is our model.God wants to lead and guide us,as He did Abraham,into Canaan,a place full of idols and often in famine.In this place only a small parcel of land belongs to us. Here Satan is the ruler of everything,and little fruit is produced from the land. Everything in such an environment seems to speak contrary to God's promise,and it seems unlikely that God would have brought us to such a place. Is this what we get for leaving behind our old way of life, kindred,and country?Where is the land and the seed that God has promised?What did Abraham see in that day?He saw nothing.Year after year until he died,he only begot Isaac.Of the numerous descendants promised to him,who would be as many as the stars in heaven, the sands by the sea,and the dust on the earth,he only saw Isaac!When his wife died,he did not have one plot of land in which to bury her.He had to buy a burial ground.Is this what God had promised?Yet the father of our faith did not doubt.He knew what faith was and what it was to not live by sight.He followed God.Abraham can see now and will see the complete fulfillment of God's promises in the kingdom to come.Today is there anything that man can see and feel elated about?This is the way God leads every one of His faithful believers to take. Although we see and feel nothing today,the future will be full of spiritual land and descendants.

I’m very sorry to have to say the following on this thread:

“The Abraham character of Genesis *married his half-sister and, twice, *pretended that they were not married and allowed other men to take her home for marriage. He thought God wanted him to slaughter his son like a ram and roast his body as a human sacrifice to God, and was ready to do it. He had sex with his wife’s female slave and got a son through her, then he sent her away with their innocent son to die in the hot desert when his wife got jealous. You should think twice about promoting such a character as a role model.”

* Corrections have been made to this post.

Seun:
I’m very sorry to have to say the following on this thread:
“The Abraham character of Genesis lied that his wife was his sister and allowed other men to take her to their homes as their wife twice. He thought God wanted him to slaughter his son like a ram and roast his body as a human sacrifice to God. He had sex with his female slave and made her a baby mama, then he sent her away with their innocent son to die in the hot desert when his wife got jealous. You should think twice about promoting such a character as a role model.”

I am very sorry to say that you should not be sorry to share facts obtained from the Bible (and I suppose the Koran contains similar facts).
Cheers.
To those who are uncomfortable with the sordid truth, please consider:

Seun:
I’m very sorry to have to say the following on this thread:
“The Abraham character of Genesis lied that his wife was his sister and allowed other men to take her to their homes as their wife twice. He thought God wanted him to slaughter his son like a ram and roast his body as a human sacrifice to God. He had sex with his female slave and made her a baby mama, then he sent her away with their innocent son to die in the hot desert when his wife got jealous. You should think twice about promoting such a character as a role model.”

Expect christians like KingEbukasBlog to come and tell you that you are interpretating everything wrongly.

ichuka:
Abraham is our model.God wants to lead and guide us,as He did Abraham,into Canaan,a place full of idols and often in famine.In this place only a small parcel of land belongs to us. Here Satan is the ruler of everything,and little fruit is produced from the land. Everything in such an environment seems to speak contrary to God's promise,and it seems unlikely that God would have brought us to such a place. Is this what we get for leaving behind our old way of life, kindred,and country?Where is the land and the seed that God has promised?What did Abraham see in that day?He saw nothing.Year after year until he died,he only begot Isaac.Of the numerous descendants promised to him,who would be as many as the stars in heaven, the sands by the sea,and the dust on the earth,he only saw Isaac!When his wife died,he did not have one plot of land in which to bury her.He had to buy a burial ground.Is this what God had promised?Yet the father of our faith did not doubt.He knew what faith was and what it was to not live by sight.He followed God.Abraham can see now and will see the complete fulfillment of God's promises in the kingdom to come.Today is there anything that man can see and feel elated about?This is the way God leads every one of His faithful believers to take. Although we see and feel nothing today,the future will be full of spiritual land and descendants.

So the incestuous man Abraham is your model abi?

Seun:
I’m very sorry to have to say the following on this thread:
“The Abraham character of Genesis lied that his wife was his sister and allowed other men to take her to their homes as their wife twice. He thought God wanted him to slaughter his son like a ram and roast his body as a human sacrifice to God, and was ready to do it. He had sex with his female slave and made her a baby mama, then he sent her away with their innocent son to die in the hot desert when his wife got jealous. You should think twice about promoting such a character as a role model.”

Why do you always form conclusions based on just half info you make reference to in the Bible. Is it not written in the same bible that Abraham said that Sarah was indeed his sister, and so he never lied about that.
About Isaac, to you, the crux of the story is Abraham's willingness to just murder his only son, but that's merely your opinion. Those who see the light in the scriptures know better. His willingness to sacrifice something that'd be the most costly to him, as well as his faith in the fact that God could later raise up Isaac are the things the scriptures portray with the story. if you want to choose another interpretation, suit yourself.
Abraham didn't "have sex" as you're trying to make it sound.
it was like trying to take the slave as a second wife, which the culture allowed at the time. He truly may not have handled the Hagar's situation perfectly but that's just cos being human, he never claimed to be perfect. He remains the greatest model of faith. If you find one shortcoming on Aliko's part, does that change the fact that he remains one of the greatest business minds Africa has ever had?

Seun:
I’m very sorry to have to say the following on this thread:
“The Abraham character of Genesis *married his half-sister and, twice, *pretended that they were not married and allowed other men to take her home for marriage. He thought God wanted him to slaughter his son like a ram and roast his body as a human sacrifice to God, and was ready to do it. He had sex with his wife’s female slave and got a son through her, then he sent her away with their innocent son to die in the hot desert when his wife got jealous. You should think twice about promoting such a character as a role model.”

* Corrections have been made to this post.

model
noun
1.
a three-dimensional representation of a person or thing or of a proposed structure, typically on a smaller scale than the original.
"a model of St Paul's Cathedral"
E dey related replica, copy, representation, mock-up, dummy, imitation, double, duplicate, lookalike, reproduction; More
2.
a thing used as an example to follow or imitate.
"the project became a model for other schemes"
The model OP is emphasising on was his "FAITH" .
2.Abraham was human just like anyone of us.hes not immune to errors.
We should "MODEL" he's Faith.

anonimi:


I am very sorry to say that you should not be sorry to share facts obtained from the Bible (and I suppose the Koran contains similar facts).
Cheers.
To those who are uncomfortable with the sordid truth, please consider:

And your point is?

dalaman:


Expect christians like KingEbukasBlog to come and tell you that you are interpretating everything wrongly.

Of cause he's.

dalaman:


So the incestuous man Abraham is your model abi?

He's kind of "FAITH" is.

awesomeJ:


Why do you always form conclusions based on just half info you make reference to in the Bible. Is it not written in the same bible that Abraham said that Sarah was indeed his sister, and so he never lied about that.
About Isaac, to you, the crux of the story is Abraham's willingness to just murder his only son, but that's merely your opinion. Those who see the light in the scriptures know better. His willingness to sacrifice something that'd be the most costly to him, as well as his faith in the fact that God could later raise up Isaac are the things the scriptures portray with the story. if you want to choose another interpretation, suit yourself.
Abraham didn't "have sex" as you're trying to make it sound.
it was like trying to take the slave as a second wife, which the culture allowed at the time. He truly may not have handled the Hagar's situation perfectly but that's just cos being human, he never claimed to be perfect. He remains the greatest model of faith. If you find one shortcoming on Aliko's part, does that change the fact that he remains one of the greatest business minds Africa has ever had?

My dear we don't aurgue we them,just state the fact let them do the rest.

Well, sean all you said is right but the devil also knows the word but “twists” it into deception.

Tis true father abraham was a messed up guy but the fact that guy bore race of people out of him gies to highlight a character of God.


God uses and delights in showcasing and using messed up people.

All you pointed out just shows you abraham (and other bible chatacters) were indeed mere failable humans and not fabricated and given “ perfect” scripts.

See.... is it newton or einstein that says “for every action is equal and opposite (counter) reaction.

Seun:
I’m very sorry to have to say the following on this thread:
“The Abraham character of Genesis *married his half-sister and, twice, *pretended that they were not married and allowed other men to take her home for marriage. He thought God wanted him to slaughter his son like a ram and roast his body as a human sacrifice to God, and was ready to do it. He had sex with his wife’s female slave and got a son through her, then he sent her away with their innocent son to die in the hot desert when his wife got jealous. You should think twice about promoting such a character as a role model.”

* Corrections have been made to this post.

Xiadnat:

Well, sean all you said is right but the devil also knows the word but “twists” it into deception.

Tis true father abraham was a messed up guy but the fact that guy bore race of people out of him gies to highlight a character of God.


God uses and delights in showcasing and using messed up people.

All you pointed out just shows you abraham (and other bible chatacters) were indeed mere failable humans and not fabricated and given “ perfect” scripts.

See.... is it newton or einstein that says “for every action is equal and opposite (counter) reaction.

Thanks bro
Compliments

Xiadnat:

Well, sean all you said is right but the devil also knows the word but “twists” it into deception.

Tis true father abraham was a messed up guy but the fact that guy bore race of people out of him gies to highlight a character of God.


God uses and delights in showcasing and using messed up people.

All you pointed out just shows you abraham (and other bible chatacters) were indeed mere failable humans and not fabricated and given “ perfect” scripts.

See.... is it newton or einstein that says “for every action is equal and opposite (counter) reaction.

Why are you not honoring your ancestors and using them as role models I stead of some Jewish figure that may or may not have existed? Are you a Jew? How many Jews regard themselves as decendants of any African? Make wuna try get sense abeg.

ichuka:

He's kind of "FAITH" is.

What is his kind of faith?

awesomeJ:
Abraham ... truly may not have handled the Hagar's situation perfectly but that's just cos being human, he never claimed to be perfect. He remains the greatest model of faith. If you find one shortcoming on Aliko's part, does that change the fact that he remains one of the greatest business minds Africa has ever had?

It depends on the shortcoming. If you learned that Aliko tried to slaughter his own son with a knife and burn his body for a ritual, and slept with an underaged house girl and got her pregnant because he was desperate for a heir, and after his wife also had a son and got jealous, he sent the house girl and the son she bore him, his own blood, away to live as beggars and likely die of starvation or rape and murder on the streets, would you still see him as a role model?

dalaman:


What is his kind of faith?

Hebrew11:1Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. 2For by it the men of old gained approval....,,,,,,,,,,,,,
13All these died in faith, without receiving the promises, but having "SEEN"them and having welcomed them from a distance, and having confessed that they were strangers and exile.

To have Faith we have to "SEE".
It's the Seeing that convict us that we are in the right path.
Seun had "Faith" in Nairaland.why? Because he saw the concept from a distance in he's mind.today we have the reality of a distance concept.
God actually showed Abraham A lot even the Redemption of Christ back then.thats why Christ said "Abraham SAW my days and was glad"John8:56
So faith is believing on what you have SEEN inwardly and working towards it no matter the odds.

ichuka:


Hebrew11:1Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. 2For by it the men of old gained approval....,,,,,,,,,,,,,
13All these died in faith, without receiving the promises, but having "SEEN"them and having welcomed them from a distance, and having confessed that they were strangers and exile.

To have Faith we have to "SEE".
It's the Seeing that convict us that we are in the right path.
Seun had "Faith" in Nairaland.why? Because he saw the concept from a distance in he's mind.today we have the reality of a distance concept.
God actually showed Abraham A lot even the Redemption of Christ back then.thats why Christ said "Abraham SAW my days and was glad"John8:56
So faith is believing on what you have SEEN inwardly and working towards it no matter the odds.

am happy that God allowed you know this through his Providence.... . a lot of modern Christians think faith is lying about something e.g saying you are strong when you are sick ....
saying you are filled when you are hungry ........
they think God expects or wants them to believe a lie .... its the other way round .....
true faith brings what is far near
true faith receives promises
true faith isn't natural, it's a gift not given to all men
also true faith isn't inherent ....

have you read the book faith by a.w pink?

ichuka:
Abraham is our model.God wants to lead and guide us,as He did Abraham,into Canaan,a place full of idols and often in famine.In this place only a small parcel of land belongs to us. Here Satan is the ruler of everything,and little fruit is produced from the land. Everything in such an environment seems to speak contrary to God's promise,and it seems unlikely that God would have brought us to such a place. Is this what we get for leaving behind our old way of life, kindred,and country?Where is the land and the seed that God has promised?What did Abraham see in that day?He saw nothing.Year after year until he died,he only begot Isaac.Of the numerous descendants promised to him,who would be as many as the stars in heaven, the sands by the sea,and the dust on the earth,he only saw Isaac!When his wife died,he did not have one plot of land in which to bury her.He had to buy a burial ground.Is this what God had promised?Yet the father of our faith did not doubt.He knew what faith was and what it was to not live by sight.He followed God.Abraham can see now and will see the complete fulfillment of God's promises in the kingdom to come.Today is there anything that man can see and feel elated about?This is the way God leads every one of His faithful believers to take. Although we see and feel nothing today,the future will be full of spiritual land and descendants.

A few brotherly corrections:

1) Abraham isn't our role model , Christ is ....
you should know better .... what differentiates people is God's grace ... and faith is God's grace showing that Abraham wasn't a faith Superman instead he was upheld by God in all those challenges

2) Satan isn't the ruler of everything rather God is ...... if Satan is ruler of everything that means he is sovereign .. GOD RULES EVERYTHING EVEN PERMITTING HUMAN TO DO EVIL ALTHOUGH SATAN DOES THE EVIL YET GOD IN HIS PERMISSIVE WILL LET THAT HAPPEN .....

3)

Seun:

It depends on the shortcoming. If you learned that Aliko tried to slaughter his own son with a knife and burn his body for a ritual, and slept with an underaged house girl and got her pregnant because he was desperate for a heir, and after his wife also had a son and got jealous, he sent the house girl and the son she bore him, his own blood, away to live as beggars and likely die of starvation or rape and murder on the streets, would you still see him as a role model?

Obviously not, but these things you've mentioned are only your own twist to the story. And you know it's not so hard to see that it's such a wrong twist, because given what we know of the human nature, except for mental instability, it is impossible to find any man that'll be willing to murder his own child, let alone an only child, an heir which you also mentioned that he so desperately wanted. Most folks wouldn't even do it even if their life at over 100 depended on it. So you see for this twist of yours to hold any water, you have to prove that Abraham either doesn't have a human nature, or he was mentally unstable, otherwise, it doesn't add up psychologically.

Under aged? Where did you get that from?

Seun, what if the reason you're so angry at God who so dearly loves you is because you have things about Faith that you don't understand at all or fully, or what if you're just confused because you had the scriptures wrongly interpreted to you by yourself or someone else. If you'd keep an open mind, I promise you, all that will end, because like it or not, God is real, and so is the experience people have of Him, which reinforces their faith. If it wasn't working, trust me, I would have left long ago.

Ferisidowu:


A few brotherly corrections:

1) Abraham isn't our role model , Christ is ....
you should know better .... what differentiates people is God's grace ... and faith is God's grace showing that Abraham wasn't a faith Superman instead he was upheld by God in all those challenges

2) Satan isn't the ruler of everything rather God is ...... if Satan is ruler of everything that means he is sovereign .. GOD RULES EVERYTHING EVEN PERMITTING HUMAN TO DO EVIL ALTHOUGH SATAN DOES THE EVIL YET GOD IN HIS PERMISSIVE WILL LET THAT HAPPEN .....

3)

Hi bro,completes.
1.the OP was on faith not really on Abraham that's we should Model he's kind of faith in Christ.
2.physically Gods Kingdom has not become reality as it's spiritually.
Until he's second coming,these physical world is still under the bondage of satan

awesomeJ:


Obviously not, but these things you've mentioned are only your own twist to the story. And you know it's not so hard to see that it's a such wrong twist, because given what we know of the human nature, except for mental instability, it is impossible to find any man that'll be willing to murder his own child, let alone an only child, an heir which you also mentioned that he so desperately wanted. Most folks wouldn't even do it even if their life at over 100 depended on it. So you see for this twist of yours to hold any water, you have to prove that Abraham either doesn't have a human nature, or he was mentally unstable, otherwise, it doesn't add up psychologically.

Under aged? Where did you get that from?

Seun, what if the reason you're so angry at God who so dearly loves you is because you have things about Faith that you don't understand at all or fully, or what if you're just confused because you had the scriptures wrongly interpreted to you by yourself or someone else. If you'd keep an open mind, I promise you, all that will end, because like it or not, God is real, and so is the experience people have of Him, which reinforces their faith. If it wasn't working, trust me, I would have left long ago.

Thanks bro
Seun is just fighting a lost battle.
I believe he's Called,and he likes it or not he will definitely acknowledge Christ.

Ferisidowu:


am happy that God allowed you know this through his Providence.... . a lot of modern Christians think faith is lying about something e.g saying you are strong when you are sick ....
saying you are filled when you are hungry ........
they think God expects or wants them to believe a lie .... its the other way round .....
true faith brings what is far near
true faith receives promises
true faith isn't natural, it's a gift not given to all men
also true faith isn't inherent ....

have you read the book faith by a.w pink?

You are correct
Thanks again

ichuka:

Thanks bro
Seun is just fighting a lost battle.
I believe he's Called,and he likes it or not he will definitely acknowledge Christ.

That to me will be a source of eternal joy. Merry Christmas to you.

awesomeJ:

That to me will be a source of eternal joy. Merry Christmas to you.

Me too bro.
The Prodigal will always come back.

Seun:
I’m very sorry to have to say the following on this thread:

“The Abraham character of Genesis *married his half-sister and, twice, *pretended that they were not married and allowed other men to take her home for marriage. He thought God wanted him to slaughter his son like a ram and roast his body as a human sacrifice to God, and was ready to do it. He had sex with his wife’s female slave and got a son through her, then he sent her away with their innocent son to die in the hot desert when his wife got jealous. You should think twice about promoting such a character as a role model.”

* Corrections have been made to this post.

It's easy to discredit and pick flaws. But once you focus on the important things you'll realise all these flaws were a necessity for God to be glorified. Abraham just like us was an imperfect man striving for perfection. All his flaws don't make God less than God but only prove Abraham was just a man.
God chose him for reasons best known to him. If God decides to call you today (and I'm sure he would some day) it won't be because you're perfect but because God wants to Perfect your being.

dalaman:

So the incestuous man Abraham is your model abi?

Without incest how do you think the early world was populated? Receive sense.

pressplay411:


It's easy to discredit and pick flaws. But once you focus on the important things you'll realise all these flaws were a necessity for God to be glorified. Abraham just like us was an imperfect man striving for perfection. All his flaws don't make God less than God but only prove Abraham was just a man.
God chose him for reasons best known to him. If God decides to call you today (and I'm sure he would some day) it won't be because you're perfect but because God wants to Perfect your being.

Well said bro

To have true "FAITH" one really have to SEE!!