[quote author=Saintsquare post=65768877]Pro Russia activist will soon flood in to say its better than Nigeria when the topic ain't out bout us. I have been to North Korea 3yrs ago and I must tell you, North Korea is way developed than Nigeria.

Benjom:
Terrible... to think that the whole problem besetting this nation is as a result of one man's stubbornness baffles me.

Stop believing in propaganda of the west. We all know that north korea is still battling with some social and economic challenges but that doesn't mean they are as poor and crude as the west would have you believe. Kim is still about 5-6yrs in office, what you should ask is, was KOREA (North/South) a paradise before their separation? Kim has taken the country to a more envious height since he took over leadership and that's why the west wants to bring him down by all means. Don't be fool by their hatred and propaganda, remember Muamar Ghadafi of Libya. This was how they became jealous of the man and his country, saw him as a threat to their wicked and evil plan of destroying Libya. The next thing they did was carrying all sorts of wicked propaganda against him until they succeeded.
If this shithole country called Nigeria and the useless vegetable in aso villa will be as good as Kim, we would gain some atoms of respect before the rest of the world.

tellwisdom:
CNN should also show us what U.S don't want us to see or know. Anything apart from that, abeg im not interested

The CNN, and other broadcast organizations regularly show the bad side of American life.

For instance...CNN showed a documentary on the fact that millions of Americans go to bed hungry.

And domestic American broadcasting routinely shows documentaries showing the bad side of the US...both past and present. Plus..you can read books and documents detailing American atrocities around the world and at home....

You can't do that in the DPRK.

Mind...the US is not a perfect nation...but it is better than the DPRK.

Even as it is, North Korea is better than Nigeria. Just look at the tarred environment, functional train transport, regular electric power, Wetin una wan talk sef! With these, you'd understand that they've got some level. Poverty in Asia (where I studied) is not same with poverty in Nigeria. Their poor have got basic necessities of life, even when not too sparkling but poverty in Nigeria means you have nothing. Above all, the pretty smart cookie called Kim .J. Un Is educated and smarter than your president.

Cromcruach91:
All those calling NK pics propaganda...know that it is not propaganda.

Google 'the ardous march'...and also google the lifestyles of their leaders...and you will see horror.

Opposing America does not mean that you should oppress your people...or run economic polices that don't make sense.

South Korea was worse than North Korea, even under US patronage. Even US analysts believed the DPRK was going to do much better until the ROK's leaders took the decision to build a strong capitalist manufacturing economy in the 1960's...followed by greater freedom of speech and democracy in the 1980's/1990's.

America is the greatest criminal in human history and all her citizens are in a cage. Every single wealth of America was stolen and yet it looks no different from a shithole. Freedom to America is theft and plunder

mankand:
And you expect me to believe this shit when your source is cnn and other western propaganda toolkits? What happened to the fake footages of weapons of mass destruction they used to deceit us saddam hussein has back then?

God bless you for not believing this rubbish. This is exactly how the west carried all sorts of wicked propaganda against Ghadafi of Libya, now we all know what happened after all.

degamemaster:
Stop believing in propaganda of the west. We all know that north korea is still battling with some social and economic challenges but that doesn't mean they are as poor and crude as the west would have you believe. Kim is still about 5-6yrs in office, what you should ask is, was KOREA (North/South) a paradise before their separation? Kim has taken the country to a more envious height since he took over leadership and that's why the west wants to bring him down by all means. Don't be fool by their hatred and propaganda, remember Muamar Ghadafi of Libya. This was how they became jealous of the man and his country, saw him as a threat to their wicked and evil plan of destroying Libya. The next thing they did was carrying all sorts of wicked propaganda against him until they succeeded.
If this shithole country called Nigeria and the useless vegetable in aso villa will be as good as Kim, we would gain some atoms of respect before the rest of the world.

1The DPRK was ahead of the ROK in the 1950's and 60's ...to the point that a CIA analyst was of the opinion that the DPRK would be a prosperous nation and a strong nation....and yes, the Great Leader Kim Il Sung (grandad of the current leader Kim Jong un) did do a lot of good work..

2.The DPRK bit of Korea was well developed under Japanese rule too(in the 1930's)....though that does not mean the Japanese were nice rulers (Japan ruled Korea from 1910-45)

3.The ROK in the 1960's began pursuing polices that encouraged manufacturing companies growth...this is when compnaies like Hyundai, Daewoo, Samsung etc came up...with the goal of making South Korea/ROK an industrial powerhouse. (This was under the rule of Gen. Park Chung-Hee...who by the way was a brutal leader).

4.The DPRK kept all its economy under state control...and did not allow the growth of private enterprise...and they kept on doing this long after other fellow communist countries like China had abandoned such policies (China started encouraging private manufacturing and enterprise in the 1980's...that is why their eocnomy is roaring like a lion...and is bigger than the USA.)....This resulted in the trainwreck that is the economy of the DPRK today.

5.Add loss of freedom of initiative (EVERYTHING in the DPRK must be done as Kim Il Sung directs....even down to the minute detail)...and the economy started going down hill..from the 1970's onward.

6.The DPRK can be as strong as China...they just need to follow what China did...and it will work miracles. They don't have to bow to the USA.

timesup234:
America is the greatest criminal in human history and all her citizens are in a cage. Every single wealth of America was stolen and yet it looks no different from a shithole. Freedom to America is theft and plunder

To some extent that is true...(see the Banana republics, the looting of Cuba Before castro, etc)....BUT...

The US invests heavily in science and technology and manufacturing....which is the basis of its strength.

It even affects their entertainment. Inventors and scientists are celebrated in film and art...(though not as much as they should be).

Other countries that do the same include China, Japan, South Korea, even Russia.

The US has recently become self sufficient in oil production...via the development of new oil extractive techniques.

Lessons for Africa ...

Cromcruach91:


1The DPRK was ahead of the ROK in the 1950's and 60's ...to the point that a CIA analyst was of the opinion that the DPRK would be a prosperous nation and a strong nation....and yes, the Great Leader Kim Il Sung (grandad of the current leader Kim Jong un) did do a lot of good work..

2.The DPRK bit of Korea was well developed under Japanese rule too(in the 1930's)....though that does not mean the Japanese were nice rulers (Japan ruled Korea from 1910-45)

3.The ROK in the 1960's began pursuing polices that encouraged manufacturing companies growth...this is when compnaies like Hyundai, Daewoo, Samsung etc came up...with the goal of making South Korea/ROK an industrial powerhouse. (This was under the rule of Gen. Park Chung-Hee...who by the way was a brutal leader).

4.The DPRK kept all its economy under state control...and did not allow the growth of private enterprise...and they kept on doing this long after other fellow communist countries like China had abandoned such policies (China started encouraging private manufacturing and enterprise in the 1980's...that is why their eocnomy is roaring like a lion...and is bigger than the USA.)....This resulted in the trainwreck that is the economy of the DPRK today.

5.Add loss of freedom of initiative (EVERYTHING in the DPRK must be done as Kim Il Sung directs....even down to the minute detail)...and the economy started going down hill..from the 1970's onward.

6.The DPRK can be as strong as China...they just need to follow what China did...and it will work miracles. They don't have to bow to the USA.

So how come with all the greatness of South Korea they are still under US. military occupation? Very shameful, these countries are far from being prosperous they are just vassals of American imperialism

activistjohnny:
North Korea' s Kim Jong Un is one of the most difficult leaders in the world, who has strongly kept a close watch over the affair of his country including the media and restricting his citizens of the things they should know globally.
These shocking photos by Business Insider, The New York Times, GETTY, BBC, Reuters, Quartz, Washington Post and The White House show how the country lives in poverty, how the government tightly controls most aspects of life.
It was also claimed that tens of thousands of people are held as political prisoners in the country.
See the pshocking hotos and read the captions below: https://www.pressnewsng.com.ng/2018/03/here-are-20-shocking-photos-of-north.html

Even with very fierce sanctions from U.S and NATO that has stretched for 65 years now , North Korea is a technologically advanced nation, they build basically everythin they need n they build and export weapons like no mans business n they are also at least 30,000 times better than the shiit hole.




Meanwhile Trump was being considerate wen he said Shiit Hole.

Cromcruach91:


To some extent that is true...(see the Banana republics, the looting of Cuba Before castro, etc)....BUT...

The US invests heavily in science and technology and manufacturing....which is the basis of its strength.

It even affects their entertainment. Inventors and scientists are celebrated in film and art...(though not as much as they should be).

Other countries that do the same include China, Japan, South Korea, even Russia.

The US has recently become self sufficient in oil production...via the development of new oil extractive techniques.

Lessons for Africa ...

The United States have always been self sufficient in crude oil production.

timesup234:
So how come with all the greatness of South Korea they are still under US. military occupation? Very shameful, these countries are far from being prosperous they are just vassals of American imperialism

Good question

1.The DPRK wants to reunify with the ROK...by force of arms. To them, it is basically 'liberating the ROK from American imperialisim'. The ROK on the other hand...don't want to be ruled by the DPRK...whose leadership remids them of some of their worst dictators (eg Park Chung hee...and Chu Doo Hwan -latter responsible for the massacare of several dozens of students in 1979).

2.The cost of reunificaiton is high..and the ROK knows that they will be paying for it...however unification comes...so they don't really (despite what some of their leaders say) want to be unifed with the DPRK (Many West Germans complain about how they had to pay for German reunification even now).

3.US troops are there to protect US interests...and also to prevent South Korea...and ....pay attention...Japan from developing huge military industrial power-bases that might raise tensions in the area.(US has a base in Okinawa,Japan...and has operational command over SK troops).

4.And even if the US was not there...SK has a good sized military weapons industry....and their defense budget alone is four times that of the DPRK's entire budget. If war should break out...ROK will beat DPRK by a wide margin(though Seoul will be decimated by a huge artillery blast).

5.According to a leaked diplomatic document.from 2008 via Wikileaks...a Chinese diplomat told his US opposite number that if US troops are removed from the Korean Peninsula...they the Chinese will in turn oust the Kims and guarantee a unified Korea under South Korean rule.(tho that is at variance with official Chinese policy).

6.DPRK can be as strong as ROK...if they do what the Chinese did and liberalised their economy.

PrecisionFx:



The United States have always been self sufficient in crude oil production.

No...the US has been dependent on Saudi oil/OPEC oilfrom the late 1940's till a few years ago.

In 1973...in response to the US support for Israel in the Yom Kippur War, OPEC increased oil prices by 400%...and as a result there were long fuel queues in the USA...acute fuel crisis.

Then back in the 1970's...most experts were saying the oil will run out by 1999....which did not happen because new technologies were developed to extract oil more efficiently. The US was a leader in such technologies...and in the last two years is reaping the fruit.

Here is a good article on the US oil dependency....US dependency on foreign oil hits 30 year low

When I saw the source as Business Insider, The New York Times, GETTY, BBC, Reuters, Quartz, Washington Post and The White House, I knew this will be total bull poopoo.

If North Korea can develop ballistic missiles and nuclear weapons, how then is it rocket science for them to plant corn to feed their people. We have seen worse situations and homeless people in America

they don't have mass shooting

oh

BedLam:
Because in 2001 they lied to the world that Iraq has WMD! Is that enough proof ? Now your turn.

We are talking of north Korea not Iraq. Everyone (yourself inclusive) makes true and false statements sometimes.

They should leave their country for them, even in America beggars are there, that's what they to Libya till now all Africa are suffer for it. Why are dey poke nose in another person country affairs, useless UN control by American and other European countries. Pls I advice North Korea to do more nuclear weapons incase of third world War, am not pray for it but I just want equal of power in the world so that one country won't feel like boss on another. White winches country

Dpharisee:
When I saw the source as Business Insider, The New York Times, GETTY, BBC, Reuters, Quartz, Washington Post and The White House, I knew this will be total bull poopoo.

If North Korea can develope ballistic missiles and nuclear weapons, how then is it rocket science for them to plant corn to feed their people. We have sen worse situations and homeless people in America

DPRK agriculture get problems...and lots of it.

1.All farming is owned by the State...so farmers cannot sell their products for a profit....which reduces incentive to produce (To put it simply...if you were a farmer..and the Nigerian govt took away 90% of your harvest...and left you with ten percent...you won't feel like producing much next year).

2.Rice is the main crop, not corn.

3.In fairness to NK....the land is mostly mountainous, and rugged. There isn't enough good farmland. But one can say the same of Japan...yet Japan is self sufficient in food production, because farmers are allowed to make a profit...

4.The leaders loot. And build nice palaces all over the place....and send their kids abroad....

5.Back when there was a Communist world...NK got lots of materials and machinery from fellow communist states to build fertilizer plants...which they used to fertilize their crops. When communism fell in most parts of the world...all the countries wanted cash upfront before they could sell machinery to NK..which NK did not have because state run economies don't make money at all.

6.Then don't get started about bad farming practices like terracing...which worsened an already bad situation.(but they kept on doing it...because the Dear leader had instructed them to do it.).

By 1998...NK was dependent on food aid from many countries...the US inclusive.

And yes...they have ballistic missiles...because of the 'military first ' policy of their govt, first enunciated by the Dear leader Kim Jong Il in 1994/5. In practice...all available funds are diverted to military based industries.

(Most o the DPRK's military manufacturing capability was built partly by outsiders...its nuclear plant was built by the USSR for example)

activistjohnny:
North Korea' s Kim Jong Un is one of the most difficult leaders in the world, who has strongly kept a close watch over the affair of his country including the media and restricting his citizens of the things they should know globally.
These shocking photos by Business Insider, The New York Times, GETTY, BBC, Reuters, Quartz, Washington Post and The White House show how the country lives in poverty, how the government tightly controls most aspects of life.
It was also claimed that tens of thousands of people are held as political prisoners in the country.
See the pshocking hotos and read the captions below: https://www.pressnewsng.com.ng/2018/03/here-are-20-shocking-photos-of-north.html

America and Great Britain are allies and they both dont like North Korea...So, dont expect their media houses to say anything good about North Korea, it just cannot happen...if you understand how world politics works you won't believe everything thrown at you. World media is filled with highly skilled and very creative propagandists...don't be sweyed, be logical.

Trust those filthy Americans at ur own risk, this kind news just proves they want do an armed intervention to destabilize that country. Hypocrites

oh

FBIL:
Even as it is, North Korea is better than Nigeria. Just look at the tarred environment, functional train transport, regular electric power, Wetin una wan talk sef! With these, you'd understand that they've got some level. Poverty in Asia (where I studied) is not same with poverty in Nigeria. Their poor have got basic necessities of life, even when not too sparkling but poverty in Nigeria means you have nothing. Above all, the pretty smart cookie called Kim .J. Un Is educated and smarter than your president.

You lack sense,how is the post related to Nigeria

TEYA:

We are talking of north Korea not Iraq. Everyone (yourself inclusive) makes true and false statements sometimes.

You just admitted...lol

Cromcruach91:


No...the US has been dependent on Saudi oil/OPEC oilfrom the late 1940's till a few years ago.

In 1973...in response to the US support for Israel in the Yom Kippur War, OPEC increased oil prices by 400%...and as a result there were long fuel queues in the USA...acute fuel crisis.

Then back in the 1970's...most experts were saying the oil will run out by 1999....which did not happen because new technologies were developed to extract oil more efficiently. The US was a leader in such technologies...and in the last two years is reaping the fruit.

Here is a good article on the US oil dependency....US dependency on foreign oil hits 30 year low

sincerely,who are you?i admire and envy you really with this your vast knwldge of world politics.

activistjohnny:
A young girl plays on a safety rail at the carpark in front a local department store on Sunday, July 23, 2017, in Pyongyang, North Korea. Wong Maye-E (Associated Press). source: business insider.

But one photo showed severely malnourished people and it was said there are no fat people in North Korea but a look at this picture shows well fed women with shopping bags. AyamConfused

laydoh:
sincerely,who are you?i admire and envy you really with this your vast knwldge of world politics.

Ordinary Nigerian that reads too much for his own good.

Propaganda. For even using CNN as your source it shows you are biased. This is what America is known for using media to tarnish the images of sovereign states.

Cromcruach91:


No...the US has been dependent on Saudi oil/OPEC oilfrom the late 1940's till a few years ago.

In 1973...in response to the US support for Israel in the Yom Kippur War, OPEC increased oil prices by 400%...and as a result there were long fuel queues in the USA...acute fuel crisis.

Then back in the 1970's...most experts were saying the oil will run out by 1999....which did not happen because new technologies were developed to extract oil more efficiently. The US was a leader in such technologies...and in the last two years is reaping the fruit.

Here is a good article on the US oil dependency....US dependency on foreign oil hits 30 year low

U need to forget all u know on this matter and focus on the new things u don't know. The United States aren't using their crude oil, they simply buy up crude oil from other countries n stockpile.


The United States have a proven total reserve of over 250 billion barrels of crude oil, much more than Saudi Arabia n Russia.

U.S. mostly activate their crude oil production wen they wants to punish certain nations like Russia n Nigeria. In 2016/2017, U.S. daily crude oil production rose to over 10 million barrels per day, Just to force down the price of crude oil.


https://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/05/us-oil-reserves-surpass-those-of-saudi-arabia-and-russia.html

PrecisionFx:




U need to forget all u know on this matter and focus on the new things u don't know. The United States aren't using their crude oil, they simply buy up crude oil from other countries n stockpile.


The United States have a proven total reserve of over 250 billion barrels of crude oil, much more than Saudi Arabia n Russia.

U.S. mostly activate their crude oil production wen they wants to punish certain nations like Russia n Nigeria. In 2016/2017, U.S. daily crude oil production rose to over 10 million barrels per day, Just to force down the price of crude oil.


https://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/05/us-oil-reserves-surpass-those-of-saudi-arabia-and-russia.html

1.You need to know that every oil producing country has reserves....not just the US....

2.Production is quite different from keeping reserves.

3.The current oil crisis began in 2014...when Saudi Arabia increased oil production in order to drive down the international price of crude...and by extension US domestic oil producers...which had a side effect on many oil producers...including the same US (Job losses happened in oil producing areas as a result).

4.Russia and Nigeria should not rely too much on oil. Russia in particular knows better...they have a good industrial sector that needs more paying attention to.

You rely on one resource...you suffer when prices fall. That is why many African countries rely on foreign aid for their budgets...our economies are one trick ponies.You diversify into manufacturing in order to be strong and stable...like China who learned that lesson after decades of being beaten up by all and sundry.

mankand:
And you expect me to believe this shit when your source is cnn and other western propaganda toolkits? What happened to the fake footages of weapons of mass destruction they used to deceit us saddam hussein has back then?

since the pictures you claim is by the western media, why don't the North Koreans release their own pics. lets compare.

Cromcruach91:


1.You need to know that every oil producing country has reserves....not just the US....

2.Production is quite different from keeping reserves.

3.The current oil crisis began in 2014...when Saudi Arabia increased oil production in order to drive down the international price of crude...and by extension US domestic oil producers...which had a side effect on many oil producers...including the same US (Job losses happened in oil producing areas as a result).

4.Russia and Nigeria should not rely too much on oil. Russia in particular knows better...they have a good industrial sector that needs more paying attention to.

You rely on one resource...you suffer when prices fall. That is why many African countries rely on foreign aid for their budgets...our economies are one trick ponies.You diversify into manufacturing in order to be strong and stable...like China who learned that lesson after decades of being beaten up by all and sundry.

""No...the US has been dependent on Saudi oil/OPEC oilfrom the late 1940's till a few years ago""


Forget long Epistles n read ur post above.

Correlate it wit what I said, America has more crude oil than Saudi Arabia who u claim America depends on