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Apina:
Celibacy is not a law in the church but a discipline and thats why Jesus said in Matthew " For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let the one who is able to receive this receive it.”(Matt 19:12). The priesthood falls into the third category, every man of his own accord puts himself forward and takes an oath before God. I bet if he was a priest to one of these gods, and after taking an oath chooses to go back on his word, he would be dead by now and thats why Jesus said;
61 "Still another said, “I will follow you, Lord; but first let me go back and say goodbye to my family.”
62 Jesus replied, “No one who puts a hand to the plow and looks back is fit for service in the kingdom of God.” (Luke 9:61-62).

I have nothing against him but a promise is a promise and he knew what it was all about before putting himself forward for ordination, nobody put a gun to his head

Please and please do not quote the scriptures out of context,those eunuchs Christ was referring to in Matt 19:12 are the singles ones that couldn't marry beacuse they were immature for marriage. BTW that passage was talking about divorce not celibacy.
For a clearer understanding lets use Message translation ;Jesus said, “Not everyone is mature enough to live a married life. It requires a certain aptitude and grace. Marriage isn’t for everyone. Some, from birth seemingly, never give marriage a thought. Others never get asked—or accepted. And some decide not to get married for kingdom reasons. But if you’re capable of growing into the largeness of marriage, do it.”
Matthew 19:11‭-‬12 MSG
carefully note the last part, if you're capable of growing into the largeness of marriage, do it. that means when you come up to maturity stage; where you handle all issues about marriage then get married. To prove that to u rewind to verse 5&6, He said the creator of man, as in producer or owner of man in his original plan (blue print) made one man, one woman therefore every man should marry.
And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Matthew 19:4‭-‬5 KJV
Now this father and mother here is same as the family you quoted in Luke 9:61&62, leaving them here is not the same as abandoning family but not allowing them to dictate your actions, which also talks about maturity. The young man that wants to follow Jesus (not as a priest ) was going to seek for consent from his family and that is a sign of immaturity. that's why Jesus cautioned him against procrastination in making up his mind knowing that his family plays a part in his making up his mind.

1CORINTHIANS7:9-"but if they cannot contain(i.e if they cant hold the sexual passions& choose to not remain eunuch\celibate any longer) let them marry(even if it means breaking an oath): for it is better to marry than to burn."
This is what the bible says with my little explanation in bracket as the Holy Spirit leads me. If u are an eunuch\celibate and u have sexual desires, get married. This scripture supports u.it is better to break the vow than to have sexual fellings

Wiseman5:

Please and please do not quote the scriptures out of context,those eunuchs Christ was referring to in Matt 19:12 are the singles ones that couldn't marry beacuse they were immature for marriage. BTW that passage was talking about divorce not celibacy.
For a clearer understanding lets use Message translation ;Jesus said, “Not everyone is mature enough to live a married life. It requires a certain aptitude and grace. Marriage isn’t for everyone. Some, from birth seemingly, never give marriage a thought. Others never get asked—or accepted. And some decide not to get married for kingdom reasons. But if you’re capable of growing into the largeness of marriage, do it.”
Matthew 19:11‭-‬12 MSG
carefully note the last part, if you're capable of growing into the largeness of marriage, do it. that means when you come up to maturity stage; where you handle all issues about marriage then get married. To prove that to u rewind to verse 5&6, He said the creator of man, as in producer or owner of man in his original plan (blue print) made one man, one woman therefore every man should marry.
And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Matthew 19:4‭-‬5 KJV
Now this father and mother here is same as the family you quoted in Luke 9:61&62, leaving them here is not the same as abandoning family but not allowing them to dictate your actions, which also talks about maturity. The young man that wants to follow Jesus (not as a priest ) was going to seek for consent from his family and that is a sign of immaturity. that's why Jesus cautioned him against procrastination in making up his mind knowing that his family plays a part in his making up his mind.

Points are based on the bolded
1. Do u know who a Eunuch is?
2. WTF is message translation? Translated by whom and from which of the original or ancient texts?
3. Totally out of context cos this isnt about marriage.
4. Kindergaten interpretation. He saod he was going to say his goodbyes not going to seek thrir consent, read it again i never said he was to abandon them.
If u are in doubt as to what i am aiming at ask

Wiseman5:

Please and please do not quote the scriptures out of context,those eunuchs Christ was referring to in Matt 19:12 are the singles ones that couldn't marry beacuse they were immature for marriage. BTW that passage was talking about divorce not celibacy.
For a clearer understanding lets use Message translation ;Jesus said, “Not everyone is mature enough to live a married life. It requires a certain aptitude and grace. Marriage isn’t for everyone. Some, from birth seemingly, never give marriage a thought. Others never get asked—or accepted. And some decide not to get married for kingdom reasons. But if you’re capable of growing into the largeness of marriage, do it.”
Matthew 19:11‭-‬12 MSG
carefully note the last part, if you're capable of growing into the largeness of marriage, do it. that means when you come up to maturity stage; where you handle all issues about marriage then get married. To prove that to u rewind to verse 5&6, He said the creator of man, as in producer or owner of man in his original plan (blue print) made one man, one woman therefore every man should marry.
And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Matthew 19:4‭-‬5 KJV
Now this father and mother here is same as the family you quoted in Luke 9:61&62, leaving them here is not the same as abandoning family but not allowing them to dictate your actions, which also talks about maturity. The young man that wants to follow Jesus (not as a priest ) was going to seek for consent from his family and that is a sign of immaturity. that's why Jesus cautioned him against procrastination in making up his mind knowing that his family plays a part in his making up his mind.

Points are based on the bolded
1. Do u know who a Eunuch is?
2. WTF is message translation? Translated by whom and from which of the original or ancient texts?
3. Totally out of context cos this isnt about marriage.
4. Kindergaten interpretation. He saod he was going to say his goodbyes not going to seek thrir consent, read it again i never said he was to abandon them.
If u are in doubt as to what i am aiming at ask

Wiseman5:

Please and please do not quote the scriptures out of context,those eunuchs Christ was referring to in Matt 19:12 are the singles ones that couldn't marry beacuse they were immature for marriage. BTW that passage was talking about divorce not celibacy.
For a clearer understanding lets use Message translation ;Jesus said, “Not everyone is mature enough to live a married life. It requires a certain aptitude and grace. Marriage isn’t for everyone. Some, from birth seemingly, never give marriage a thought. Others never get asked—or accepted. And some decide not to get married for kingdom reasons. But if you’re capable of growing into the largeness of marriage, do it.”
Matthew 19:11‭-‬12 MSG
carefully note the last part, if you're capable of growing into the largeness of marriage, do it. that means when you come up to maturity stage; where you handle all issues about marriage then get married. To prove that to u rewind to verse 5&6, He said the creator of man, as in producer or owner of man in his original plan (blue print) made one man, one woman therefore every man should marry.
And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Matthew 19:4‭-‬5 KJV
Now this father and mother here is same as the family you quoted in Luke 9:61&62, leaving them here is not the same as abandoning family but not allowing them to dictate your actions, which also talks about maturity. The young man that wants to follow Jesus (not as a priest ) was going to seek for consent from his family and that is a sign of immaturity. that's why Jesus cautioned him against procrastination in making up his mind knowing that his family plays a part in his making up his mind.

Points are based on the bolded
1. Do u know who a Eunuch is?
2. WTF is message translation? Translated by whom and from which of the original or ancient texts?
3. Totally out of context cos this isnt about marriage.
4. Kindergaten interpretation. He said he was going to say his goodbyes not going to seek their consent, read it again, i never said he wanted to abandon them.
If u are in doubt as to what i am aiming at ask

Wiseman5:

Please and please do not quote the scriptures out of context,those eunuchs Christ was referring to in Matt 19:12 are the singles ones that couldn't marry beacuse they were immature for marriage. BTW that passage was talking about divorce not celibacy.
For a clearer understanding lets use Message translation ;Jesus said, “Not everyone is mature enough to live a married life. It requires a certain aptitude and grace. Marriage isn’t for everyone. Some, from birth seemingly, never give marriage a thought. Others never get asked—or accepted. And some decide not to get married for kingdom reasons. But if you’re capable of growing into the largeness of marriage, do it.”
Matthew 19:11‭-‬12 MSG
carefully note the last part, if you're capable of growing into the largeness of marriage, do it. that means when you come up to maturity stage; where you handle all issues about marriage then get married. To prove that to u rewind to verse 5&6, He said the creator of man, as in producer or owner of man in his original plan (blue print) made one man, one woman therefore every man should marry.
And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Matthew 19:4‭-‬5 KJV
Now this father and mother here is same as the family you quoted in Luke 9:61&62, leaving them here is not the same as abandoning family but not allowing them to dictate your actions, which also talks about maturity. The young man that wants to follow Jesus (not as a priest ) was going to seek for consent from his family and that is a sign of immaturity. that's why Jesus cautioned him against procrastination in making up his mind knowing that his family plays a part in his making up his mind.

Now this is totally out of context. Jesus is talking about Eunuchs not imature marriage. U r trying to twist scriptures.
Jesus meant that its okay not to marry if u can bear it

[quote author=shadeyinka post=65878521]
You think people are ignorant of the catholic faith.
Once a Pope its till death.
A Pope swears at his installation doesn't he?

Its like you saying an African king goes on retirement![/quotle]
After Election the Elect is asked if he accepts the position. If he says yes he becomes Pope. If he refuses the Conclave continues. There is no oath

[quote author=Dnaz post=65891471][/quote]
A pope is supposed to be the vicar of Christ. He is more like the apostles of our time:

Do apostles retire?
The only apostle I know that didn't die as one is probably Judas

Apina:

Benedict only resigned from his office as the pope, he did not leave the priesthood.

Father Patrick did not leave Christianity.

Are only catholics the children of God?
Are only catholics going to Heaven?

Dnaz:

Pope Benedict was not under oath to remain pope

Interestingly, you do not know whatever his conversation with God is on this issue.

Do you sincerely think Father Patrick has abandoned Jesus?

Mariangeles:
...to forsake EVERYTHING!
That is why they don't stay with their families after when they become a priest

again
did not say they must be priests forever
forsake while a priest
not be a priest forever abi you no sabi english again
where you from maybe i fit translate in your village language

shadeyinka:

Interestingly, you do not know whatever his conversation with God is on this issue.

Do you sincerely think Father Patrick has abandoned Jesus?

Who said he has abandoned Jesus. I only said he broke his oath. The oath of Celibacy and now he is taking another oath of fidelity

Dnaz:

Who said he has abandoned Jesus. I only said he broke his oath. The oath of Celibacy and now he is taking another oath of fidelity

OK. Then we are on the same page.

His vow of celebacy was to the Catholic church
His vow of fidelity to his spouse
His vow of Faithfulness to God

The most important thing is for Father Patrick to serve God in faithfulness and purity.

And us too o!
What profits a man who gains the whole world but looses his soul.

Shalom

shadeyinka:

OK. Then we are on the same page.

His vow of celebacy was to the Catholic church
His vow of fidelity to his spouse
His vow of Faithfulness to God

The most important thing is for Father Patrick to serve God in faithfulness and purity.

And us too o!
What profits a man who gains the whole world but looses his
soul.

Shalom

Well u didn't take the vow for him and definitely don't get to choose whoose name he vowed to. He is a Catholic that knows the Catechism and he knows he made a vow to God period

Dnaz:

Well u didn't take the vow for him and definitely don't get to choose whoose name he vowed to. He is a Catholic that knows the Catechism and he knows he made a vow to God period

Maybe he realized that it was a vow made in ignorance and error.

Can I as a person reascend on a vow I made to make ALL my children celebate to God?

shadeyinka:


Maybe he realized that it was a vow made in ignorance and error.

Can I as a person reascend on a vow I made to make ALL my children celebate to God?

U can't make such a vow on behalf of ur children. Let them make the vow themselves when they come of age

shadeyinka:


Maybe he realized that it was a vow made in ignorance and error.

Can I as a person reascend on a vow I made to make ALL my children celebate to God?

Fr Patrick wasn't a child when he took the oath of celibacy. He wasn't below 25 and was probably older than you when he took the vow. So I don't see a reason for this paediatric analogy

Dnaz:

Fr Patrick wasn't a child when he took the oath of celibacy. He wasn't below 25 and was probably older than you when he took the vow. So I don't see a reason for this paediatric analogy

Some vows are made in Scriptural Error...it isn't perpetually binding.

If ignorantly, you got married to a transgender partner, is the marriage still binding after you made your discovery?

Dnaz:

U can't make such a vow on behalf of ur children. Let them make the vow themselves when they come of age

Of course one shouldn't make such vow on behalf of ones children. However, suppose I was looking at the biblical case of Hanna vowing on behalf of Samuel and I went ahead to do for my children as stated above.

Should I be bound by the vow even though I did it in good faith?

Dnaz:

Well u didn't take the vow for him and definitely don't get to choose whoose name he vowed to. He is a Catholic that knows the Catechism and he knows he made a vow to God period

And maybe he is no more Catholic: is he still bound?

Is he still Catholic?

Dnaz:

Now this is totally out of context. Jesus is talking about Eunuchs not imature marriage. U r trying to twist scriptures.
Jesus meant that its okay not to marry if u can bear it

when your mind is twisted everything that doesn't model after it will seem twisted to you. you better educate ur mind with bible classes for you to live.

Apina:

Points are based on the bolded
1. Do u know who a Eunuch is?
2. WTF is message translation? Translated by whom and from which of the original or ancient texts?
3. Totally out of context cos this isnt about marriage.
4. Kindergaten interpretation. He said he was going to say his goodbyes not going to seek their consent, read it again, i never said he wanted to abandon them.
If u are in doubt as to what i am aiming at ask

PROVERB 26:4 MOOD

shadeyinka:


And maybe he is no more Catholic: is he still bound?

Is he still Catholic?

Did he tell u he left the Catholic Church?

Wiseman5:

when your mind is twisted everything that doesn't model after it will seem twisted to you. you better educate ur mind with bible classes for you to live.

Continue twisting scriptures. U can't deceive everyone

Lenadiva:
This kind man fit carry big dick like horse .

Flesh and blood revealed that to u?

Dnaz:

Did he tell u he left the Catholic Church?

Who solemnized his marriage?
The Catholic church?

Wiseman5:

PROVERB 26:4 MOOD

And u just made known how useless and brain dead u are. U sent a reply which reads "do not answer a fool" with ur resonse being an answer in itself, where did u even go to school? Cos a goat would have fared far better if it had just 1% of the supposed education u acquired