@ kambo

thanks a lot for your post concerning soul travel.

you have to understand that you can never understand a truth that you are not ready for. it is just like trying to teach quadratic equation to a primary one pupil. you will just end up confusing him the more.

and also the fact that you do not understand a concept does not make it false. just like the catholic church persecuting Galileo because they could not understand the concept of the earth revolving around the sun. but in time as one continues growing you will come to a moment when such concepts no longer confuse you.

just take your time.

thanks and may the blessings be

Kay 17:

One word 'hallucination'.

True talk!

At least they tried by not calling it 'Church of Eckankar' as in 'Church of Satan'! I hope they are not calling themselves Christians too

benodic:

@ kambo

thanks a lot for your post concerning soul travel.

you have to understand that you can never understand a truth that you are not ready for. it is just like trying to teach quadratic equation to a primary one pupil. you will just end up confusing him the more.

and also the fact that you do not understand a concept does not make it false. just like the catholic church persecuting Galileo because they could not understand the concept of the earth revolving around the sun. but in time as one continues growing you will come to a moment when such concepts no longer confuse you.

just take your time.

thanks and may the blessings be

it is evasiveness when one tries to make a certain knowledge exclusive by manupulating people. All knowledge(including spiritual ones can be verified-from the antecedents of , and from those who practice it, and its effect on people. A very important aspect of spiritual science is the fact that there has to be a moderator, like a master controller,one who sets the standard.Now, if this Master programmer or controller is not in synchronus with all the different platform for projecting such'spiritual science',then we have a deadlock.
In soul travel who determines the parameters eg if an eckist, axtian or a muslim soul travels,which master programmer controls the environment of the cosmic. Because this are the key issues why some posters have rightly say that its very dangerous. Even Armed Robbers have a good explanation why they rob and they know we wont understand, until we join them
Pls I need positive responses as we begin to explore the different school of thoughts in cosmic operations

@ Almuhandis,

it is evasiveness when one tries to make a certain knowledge exclusive by manupulating people. All knowledge(including spiritual ones can be verified-from the antecedents of , and from those who practice it, and its effect on people. A very important aspect of spiritual science is the fact that there has to be a moderator, like a master controller,one who sets the standard.Now, if this Master programmer or controller is not in synchronus with all the different platform for projecting such'spiritual science',then we have a deadlock.
In soul travel who determines the parameters eg if an eckist, axtian or a muslim soul travels,which master programmer controls the environment of the cosmic. Because this are the key issues why some posters have rightly say that its very dangerous. Even Armed Robbers have a good explanation why they rob and they know we wont understand, until we join them
Pls I need positive responses as we begin to explore the different school of thoughts in cosmic operations

i want you to understand that in Eckankar there is no manipulation. Eckankar does not claim to have monopoly over the word HU which singing of It leads to soul travel experiences.

you do not have to be a member of Eckankar to soul travel. that is why we keep on telling people to try it out for themselves.
the master programmer is the holy spirit whose job it is to lead all souls back to God.

all the spiritual masters who have graced the earth were simply channels for the holy spirit to use in reminding soul of its true nature and that we came from God and we are going back to God.

@wumine

At least they tried by not calling it 'Church of Eckankar' as in 'Church of Satan'! I hope they are not calling themselves Christians too

Eckankar is a religion on its own and it is not affiliated to any other religion. that means that we are not christians. we are Eckists.

Eckankar is the religion of the light and sound of God. It teaches you how you can see the light of God and hear the sound of God. the light and sound is the holy spirit which is God in expression.

so we are not bothered by whatever names you may call us. what matters in life is you learning how to love God and how to love your fellow man no matter what the person's religion or race is. experiencing this light and sound of God enables love to come into your heart. giving out this love to others then comes naturally to you.

you are wrong! God is the master programmer, the HS is the program(the software) that can bind to any hardware-remember the matrix.
you are wrong again when you say you are not Xtians.Because you Eckist accept Jesus(the head of all pricipalities and powers-both in high and low places from the first heavens to the infinitum) as one of your Masters?right.even a 1% acceptance of a master makes you his disciple .Hence christ followers are called Christians
you didnt respond to the key issues I raised in my first post-who determines the parameters for soul travel?

@almuhandis

you are wrong! God is the master programmer, the HS is the program(the software) that can bind to any hardware-remember the matrix.

no one is wrong and no one is right as there is no contest. it is just a matter of your understanding. and your understanding is a function of your current state of consciousness. so it really does not matter who is wrong or who is right.

Grin you are wrong again when you say you are not Xtians.Because you Eckist accept Jesus(the head of all pricipalities and powers-both in high and low places from the first heavens to the infinitum) as one of your Masters?right.even a 1% acceptance of a master makes you his disciple .Hence christ followers are called Christians Cool

Eckist are not christians and jesus is not one of our masters. the spiritual leader of Eckankar is known as the Mahanta, The Living Eck Master. the current Mahanta is Sri Harold Klemp who is the 973rd Living Eck Master in an unbroken lineage of Living Eck Masters. Jesus was never an Eck Master. Rather he was able to earn the christ consciousness so he was known as the christ. which makes him the spiritual leader of christians and not that of Eckists.

you didnt respond to the key issues I raised in my first post-who determines the parameters for soul travel?

God of course through the avenue of the holy spirit which is the spirit of God in all souls determines the parameters for soul travel. so what you will experience will depend mostly on your level of consciousness which is actually your level of acceptance. God can never expose you to a truth that you are not yet ready to accept.

thanks and may the blessings be

kambo:

for those who want the christian view on this thing. here is it.
this whole thing makes the ranting of atheist nothing - cuz in a negative way
the word of God is validated by cultists.
the human being is tripartite. a spirit living in a body and has a soul.
the plastic cord lager says he saw has been explained by solomon in the book of ecclesiastes. this is the silver cord connecting the spirit to the body.
when this silver cord snaps , the spirit departs the body and the person is termed dead.
God has divided the merger btw soul AND spirit - read 'He came to set the captives free ' by rebecca brown MD.
ordinary people cannot soul travel because their spirit is separated from soul and body.
That's a result of the fall of man , original sin.
but some cults have found a way - thanks to spiritaul techniques , to bring about this merger.
you can bet God is against this.
in essence, the mind is used to control the movement of the body.
the whole soul travel thing and spiritual world intercourse i.e mystical activities is again, born out of man's rebellious nature - To try to gain more power, do more things, know more OUTSIDE of submitting to God who made heaven and earth.
I'd submit to you, that any one who dabbles into this kind of things know that atheists and agnostics are some of the most deluded and blinded souls on earth.
and in a later form the will know that GOD is really real. i.e the God of the bible.
I'm suprised theyr ar no christians to give a response to post like this.
point be - joining of the soul and spirit together is a spiritual activity performed by an evil spirit - who's HU anyway!? if not som demon spirit.
hu in deed.
soul travel in deed.
ask God to open you're eyes . accept Jesus christ as lord And pray fervently for him to severe the union btw , illicit union , you 've formed,rebelliously and willfully, btw your soul and spirit - God requires us to walk by faith.
there's anoda world outside of this one.
peace .

Good observation. I read that book "He came to set the captives free" by Rebecca Brown MD and it surely helps the body of Christ in discerning how these New Agers have been used in keeping the unsuspecting captive. The Scriptures says that My people perish due to of lack of knowledge.

kambo:

for those who want the christian view on this thing. here is it.
this whole thing makes the ranting of atheist nothing - cuz in a negative way
the word of God is validated by cultists.

Don't be surprised that many of the so called atheists are "cultists," they say what they say so as to make people lower their guards for "low attacking"

kambo:

the human being is tripartite. a spirit living in a body and has a soul.
the plastic cord lager says he saw has been explained by solomon in the book of ecclesiastes. this is the silver cord connecting the spirit to the body.
when this silver cord snaps , the spirit departs the body and the person is termed dead.

This is what the occultists wouldn't tell them, that when their silver cord snaps that they are in hot soup.

kambo:

God has divided the merger btw soul AND spirit - read 'He came to set the captives free ' by rebecca brown MD.
ordinary people cannot soul travel because their spirit is separated from soul and body.
That's a result of the fall of man , original sin.
but some cults have found a way - thanks to spiritaul techniques , to bring about this merger.
you can bet God is against this.

The first man Adam, surely enjoyed this unbroken mysterious link with God before he bit the forbidden fruit and this must have made him "soul travel" at will, but as soon as this link was broken by sin Adam could not do this anymore, infact it became a sin for Adam to do this through any other spirit.

kambo:

in essence, the mind is used to control the movement of the body.
the whole soul travel thing and spiritual world intercourse i.e mystical activities is again, born out of man's rebellious nature - To try to gain more power, do more things, know more OUTSIDE of submitting to God who made heaven and earth.

This is where demons picked it up.  They quickly filled in that empty space for those who are willing and then pretend to be bidding the sinners' request not knowing that they are signing their souls away.  The rebel thinks he is using his mind to control things that he wouldn't have ordinarily controlled and thereby falling for the same plot satan laid for Adam and Eve.

kambo:

I'd submit to you, that any one who dabbles into this kind of things know that atheists and agnostics are some of the most deluded and blinded souls on earth.
and in a later form the will know that GOD is really real. i.e the God of the bible.

I also submit to you that most of them do know what the spiritual realm is real, they are just rebels against their Creator.

kambo:

I'm suprised theyr ar no christians to give a response to post like this.
point be - joining of the soul and spirit together is a spiritual activity performed by an evil spirit - who's HU anyway!? if not som demon spirit.
hu in deed.
soul travel in deed.

Don't be surprised that many so called Christians have brought this New Age thing into Christendom.  Do you remember reading the part where Rebecca Brown wrote about some Christians submitting themselves to the laying on of hands by some questionable characters and what happened to them afterwards.

kambo:

ask God to open you're eyes . accept Jesus christ as lord And pray fervently for him to severe the union btw , illicit union , you 've formed,rebelliously and willfully, btw your soul and spirit - God requires us to walk by faith.
there's anoda world outside of this one.
peace .

Surely our spirits are the only link we have to the spiritual world but the question is, whose service are we operating under, is it with God and His angels in His service or is it to satan and his demons in his service?

When we receive the Truth personified who is Jesus Christ into our lives we become born again. Jn.1:12.  We then have the Truth personally dwelling in us when the Holy Spirit the third Person in trinity, comes into us at rebirth as we accept Jesus Christ as our Saviour and Lord, our spiritual body is reborn or regenerated so that we can commune with and worship the Lord as Adam did before the fall.  The proof that we communicate with God through our human spirit with the help of the Holy Spirit is clearly demonstrated in John 4:23-24

When we become  true Christians the link between our human spirit and God is activated and only when God chooses to use it for His glory such as:

1.   To give understanding of the scriptures;
2.   To make our hearts aware of His presence;
3.   To give us discerning of spirits
4.   To exercise it during ministration, .
5.   For spiritual warfare,
6.   To worship Him in Spirit and Truth, etc

Why do you say Holy spirit.is that how it is recorgnise in eck? or you are appeasing the christians?

@almuhandis

Why do you say Holy spirit.is that how it is recorgnise in eck? or you are appeasing the christians?

the word ECKANKAR is made up of two words. the first is ECK which means the Holy Spirit. and the second is ANKAR which means the way.
so ECKANKAR simply means the way of the Holy Spirit.

what you have to understand is that The holy spirit is the voice of God. it can be seen as a light or heard as a sound. the holy spirit is actually the comforter that leads us to all truth.

it doesn't matter what your religion is. one should make effort to have direct contact with the holy spirit of God in order to find out the will of God in your life.

this is what ECKANKAR is teaching today. how you can make direct contact with the Holy Spirit of God which changes your life for the better.

If ur soul go hang for road as you dey soul travel, na die be dat o! Na to carry u go bury be that? Then what will u tell God?

Wumine:

If your soul go hang for road as you dey soul travel, na die be dat o! Na to carry u go bury be that? Then what will u tell God?

If and only If and it has not been proven that the "Silver Cord" can be broken by any means other than general decline in health (disease) and old age. If you are less-informed stop making subjective statements

so you are more informed-with your silver cord joke.you think soulwandering is about silver cord.Abeg

kambo: for those who want the christian view on this thing. here is it.
this whole thing makes the ranting of atheist nothing - cuz in a negative way
the word of God is validated by cultists.
the human being is tripartite. a spirit living in a body and has a soul.
the plastic cord lager says he saw has been explained by solomon in the book of ecclesiastes. this is the silver cord connecting the spirit to the body.
when this silver cord snaps , the spirit departs the body and the person is termed dead.
God has divided the merger btw soul AND spirit - read 'He came to set the captives free ' by rebecca brown MD.
ordinary people cannot soul travel because their spirit is separated from soul and body.
That's a result of the fall of man , original sin.
but some cults have found a way - thanks to spiritaul techniques , to bring about this merger.
you can bet God is against this.
in essence, the mind is used to control the movement of the body.
the whole soul travel thing and spiritual world intercourse i.e mystical activities is again, born out of man's rebellious nature - To try to gain more power, do more things, know more OUTSIDE of submitting to God who made heaven and earth.
I'd submit to you, that any one who dabbles into this kind of things know that atheists and agnostics are some of the most deluded and blinded souls on earth.
and in a later form the will know that GOD is really real. i.e the God of the bible.
I'm suprised theyr ar no christians to give a response to post like this.
point be - joining of the soul and spirit together is a spiritual activity performed by an evil spirit - who's HU anyway!? if not som demon spirit.
hu in deed.
soul travel in deed.
ask God to open you're eyes . accept Jesus christ as lord And pray fervently for him to severe the union btw , illicit union , you 've formed,rebelliously and willfully, btw your soul and spirit - God requires us to walk by faith.
there's anoda world outside of this one.
peace .

So so on point!