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Re: FG Endorses Sanusi! by funkybaby(f): 7:48pm On May 20, 2010 |
PapaBrowne: well said. oya, TKB, come and tell us oh. what direction is sanusi taking us to? what are the beneficial effects of his 12 months in office? |
Re: FG Endorses Sanusi! by tkb417(m): 7:52pm On May 20, 2010 |
funkybaby:i repeat, if the govt think his methods/approaches are too stringent, then they can work with him to find a better way of going about the implementation of his reforms a reform means an altercation, sweeping change, restructuring from status quo and that means the resultant effect will be unpleasant to whoever has been gaining from the illegally instituted anomaly if status quo will be changed to what should be the ideal situation, then this whole unpleasant din is more than a distraction to the man and to the good of the nation at large we all should learn to let our mouths, fingers gain some traction while expressing our minds |
Re: FG Endorses Sanusi! by tkb417(m): 7:58pm On May 20, 2010 |
funkybaby:Funky how many times will you be spoonfed Funky? read up the posts by TeeZero on SLSs briefing on the economic indicators as pre SLS and right after he came on board its as simple as this if youre lazy, ill go look for the post and put it right here dont u go nowhere rable rousing wont do u no good. |
Re: FG Endorses Sanusi! by tkb417(m): 8:02pm On May 20, 2010 |
None of the people that have been criticising the Central Bank has come up with what they would do if they were governor. That's the way I see it, I have to make sure that I don't get myself into confrontation with critics. Criicism is very good and I'm willing to engage anyone who has a criticism on an intellectual basis and I think it is a good thing thatn people should criticise, and I think it is a good thing for us because when people aren't doing anything, there's nothing to criticise. Funky read this |
Re: FG Endorses Sanusi! by funkybaby(f): 8:04pm On May 20, 2010 |
tkb417: thank you. am waiting. post it here. economic indicators : pre-sanusi and post-sanusi |
Re: FG Endorses Sanusi! by tkb417(m): 8:06pm On May 20, 2010 |
Q: Although the reform progress may have been impressive in the past nine months, the banks have become extremely risk averse, so lending to the private sector has gone down while lending to the public sector has gone up. Is that going to create a problem in the real economy?Yes there are a number of issues, but it is a question of the chicken and the egg. The bank can only lend if they have capital and if the banks have had bad loans and the capital has been eroded they are not going to increase their lending. Looking at South Africa, credit growth was negative year on year and they haven’t even had a banking crisis. In the United States and Europe, you find negative growth in credit. The US, for example, has had a reversal of the credit crunch but if you look at the numbers there is still a decline in lending for business, the increase is still coming on lending to mortgages, so when you compose the numbers you still don’t have money going into the real economy and production; it is still going into the area that caused problems. this is another one for funky |
Re: FG Endorses Sanusi! by funkybaby(f): 8:09pm On May 20, 2010 |
tkb417: trash ! before nko? what is he supposed to say? admit that he is a failure? anybody can quote figures. what we are talking about is the EFFECTS of his yeye policies on naija's economy and how many individuals, organisations and companies are complaining. |
Re: FG Endorses Sanusi! by funkybaby(f): 8:14pm On May 20, 2010 |
tkb417: he is a liar. the banks were lending ''small small' before he came in. But since he came in, all that has stopped. Some people actually benefitted from loans from MFBs. Go and ask various market women, okada riders and keke marwa owners. naija banks are known not to 'mortgage' friendly but some banks had already began investing in that sector of the economy before he came in. now, go to GT Homes or Standard Chartered and tell them you saw a fancy crib at Lekki and you will be happy if they can work out a mortgage plan for you. You will hear the story and excuses they will give you |
Re: FG Endorses Sanusi! by Kx: 8:18pm On May 20, 2010 |
I hope this thread wont be locked. Lets see 6months today what the situation will be whether SLS will still be in charge or not. What happened to the former GMD of NNPC after 7weeks on the job, was he not "praised" and "endorsed" when he was being appointed? dis is naija. when they start endorsing u,know that ur time is up,ask Ribadu. |
Re: FG Endorses Sanusi! by tkb417(m): 8:24pm On May 20, 2010 |
funkybaby:yeepa whats SLSs own in this abi u no sabi read english again? den don scatter 9ja b4 the guy reach there u no dey tire abi na pidgin u wan make i dey speak nau leave me joh |
Re: FG Endorses Sanusi! by PapaBrowne(m): 8:31pm On May 20, 2010 |
funkybaby: Ok Funky. Since tkb417 is reluctant, let me help him out with just one. I would use the Automobile industry which I think is one of the most ideal indicators of the economic temperature of any Nation. Before the advent of Sanusi, Nigeria was by far the fastest growing automobile destination in the entire world. Many folks don't know this, but between 2004 and 2007, our growth rate in automobile purchases exceeded that of the BRIC Countries- Brazil,Russia,India and China. It was outstanding and it would have been just a matter of time before the Automobile giants begin rushing out here to establish massive assembling plants. That was the era of Soludo. Less than one year after the advent of Sanusi, the Automobile industry has suffered a massive setback with a drop of 55% in new car sales in the first quarter alone. This is outrageous. Y'all don't know what this means. Post Sanusi: Ist Quarter 2010 Nigeria’s car imports drop by 55% |
Re: FG Endorses Sanusi! by funkybaby(f): 8:31pm On May 20, 2010 |
tkb417: i hold you? lol all fingers keep pointing at sanusi things were not this bad before he came in. let me break it down for you my dear : fine, the economy had S-leg, but rather than fix the K-leg using careful and gradual physiotheraphy, he decided to bend the leg to S- shape, now he is considering removing the S leg and replacing with a leg purchased from either malaysia or sigapore (he is yet to decide). fact is, he is just playing trial and error by introducing all manners of policies. i still insist that he is clueless regarding how to run CBN and how to tackle naija's economy |
Re: FG Endorses Sanusi! by tkb417(m): 8:34pm On May 20, 2010 |
funkybaby: you need to start reading books start from biz dailies so you'll understand this lil things i dont know how to explain it anymore |
Re: FG Endorses Sanusi! by naso2(m): 8:37pm On May 20, 2010 |
This government publicly "endorsing" sanusi's reforms is only a wise approach at correcting SLS excessiveness.Fg will be working underneat to plug his glaring technical deficiencies. Any other approach by government would have meant , making the same mistakes SLS did by using a bazoka to kill an ant and later wonder publicly why the building is shaking. Jonathan is a very wise man and knows clearly that removing the erring sanusi at this time will not in any way help our financial rating internationally. It will only confuse everyone more and inconsistency is one thing that erodes trust. The pro-SLS guys seem to hinge their support on the easily verifiable sharp practices of the Ibrus and Akingbolas. As much as I do not support SLS especially becuase of his shallowness in understanding economic dynamics, i must quickly add that cecelia and Akingbola were really really corrupt. But the question i keep asking is: does sanusi mean that of all the banks he deem sound, he did not find any executive abuse that would warrant prosecuting some of the CEOs i hate to mention? Sanusi's logic simply is that all weak banks have corrupt CEOs and no CEO of a "sound" bank ever did anything wrong. Even a nursery school pupil knows that sanusi's celebrated debtors list was a sham. Why did he not publish the enter list of bad debtors in the entire industry? As a banker is sanusi feigning ignorance that the Jimoh Ibrahims that paid billions after some days , only went to some other banks not under sanusi's radar to collect money and weaken the entire system more? Finally why has sanusi refused to answer questions that border on loans he gave as ED risk at FBN? Now the FG has boxed him, he no longer needs to struggle so hard to preach reforms , they will now only ask for a blue print for the industry(we all know the guy has none). we now have seasoned professionals who will make him work and not this his ALUTA CONTINUA mentality |
Re: FG Endorses Sanusi! by tkb417(m): 8:43pm On May 20, 2010 |
Ok Funky. Since tkb417 is reluctant, let me help him out with just one.the automobile industry like any other consumables will shrink cos the banks are not lending is that hard to figure? ok now This is it. SLS came in and met sick banks and in a bid to put them back on a sound footing , he began his reforms and as a result, these banks are now on a mission to get back the bad debts in the economy. Prior to these, we all wee living on fools paradise where fictitious results were been declared now back to reality, these banks are on a mission to get back their trapped money in the economy, stabilise and then commercial again how do you expect a bank who has more than 50billion outside to continue doling out money like no one knows tmr this is a contraction phase, when the banks stabilise, they will go back to their old ways and blimey we can go back to our unbridled ways of spending. If you think the inability of Nigerians to buy cars is a direct impact of SLSs actions, then youre entitled to your opinion cos if he hadnt done what he did, i doubt if we will be here chatting. |
Re: FG Endorses Sanusi! by funkybaby(f): 8:46pm On May 20, 2010 |
na_so: well said ! |
Re: FG Endorses Sanusi! by tkb417(m): 8:48pm On May 20, 2010 |
Even a nursery school pupil knows that sanusi's celebrated debtors list was a sham. Why did he not publish the enter list of bad debtors in the entire industry? As a banker is sanusi feigning ignorance that the Jimoh Ibrahims that paid billions after some days , only went to some other banks not under sanusi's radar to collect money and weaken the entire system more?well for some of us who know most of them, we all know the list was not a sham and of course no banks gave Jimoh money to pay any loan get your facts right |
Re: FG Endorses Sanusi! by naso2(m): 8:53pm On May 20, 2010 |
tkb417: And you are sure of your facts that he had the money buried somewhere in his house and only had to exhume it. abi? |
Re: FG Endorses Sanusi! by darqly(m): 8:53pm On May 20, 2010 |
@papabrowne, I'm not sure your analysis on the automobile industry will hold water. As with any other right thinking business concern,it'll take more than just imports to attract car assembly plants to Nigeria. Have you considered the overhead they'd be servicing vis a vis power,zero infrastructure,dearth of skilled workers etc? Car imports slowed cos we don't have luxury money at the moment,and its that simple. Why do we think our economy has to be insulated from the crises? Last time i checked it was global and even the major car manufacturers slowed on production, shut plants and fired staff. Our entire stock market,which mirrors the economy was built on a fraud and sheer window-dressing. Can you imagine a firm like Fbn aiming to have its share valued at N100 pre sls? Hell they can't even attain N20 now. Numbers don't lie,they always add up. Try another one. |
Re: FG Endorses Sanusi! by tkb417(m): 8:54pm On May 20, 2010 |
darqly:thanks |
Re: FG Endorses Sanusi! by tkb417(m): 8:58pm On May 20, 2010 |
na_so:im sure you dont think FBN , GTBank and co are the only banks in planet earth hehe, i personally know someone who took money from one of the banks to finance his tank farm in Ikot Abasi but liquidated the loan when alarm blew from his balance in BNP so? which bank will give another loan when MDs are getting sacked? try again!! |
Re: FG Endorses Sanusi! by clintwine(m): 9:20pm On May 20, 2010 |
Tkb, don't mind them, they are reading too much of newspapers, especially the ones that were using yaraduas' ill health to make money. It is he that wears the shoe that knows where it pinches, having said that am sure the guys that want his head were affected one way or the other, but it is life. For a reform to take place, SACRIFICES HAVE TO BE MADE. And this is a good time, while world economies are contracting ours should use that opportunity to clear the mess created by ceos' Also i don't know who made you believe that its cos of sanusi foreign banks can't loan Nigerian banks money. This leads to a question, is it banks that are being bailed that we are expecting money from?? |
Re: FG Endorses Sanusi! by tkb417(m): 9:34pm On May 20, 2010 |
My guy I don't understand o These banks got billions of Naira as bailout and yet omo 9jas want them to start sharing the money in the stockmarket LOL I cannot laff abeg |
Re: FG Endorses Sanusi! by mbulela: 9:48pm On May 20, 2010 |
papabrowne, please call for reinforcement. Naijaking1's brilliance is needed urgently. |
Re: FG Endorses Sanusi! by PapaBrowne(m): 10:29pm On May 20, 2010 |
darqly: Darqly. . . . you've just brought out a very strong point here. Just one question: Wasn't Sanusi either the MD of FBN or the Ed Risk Management when First Bank(FBN) kept manipulating their share value? How come he didn't say anything at the time?? Your statement has pinpointed exactly what Gusau brought out- that Sanusi's actions were very selective and as such harmful with security implications. I cannot understand how you seem to refer quickly to the CEO's as corrupt, while you fail to remember that Sanusi himself was a CEO and very much part of the system. On the automobile part, my analysis is accurate. India has grave power and infrastructure problems and yet there is a huge automobile industry there. Mind you, the cost savings on shipping and tariffs per vehicle would easily compensate for the cost of generating power. Asides, large plants of that nature hardly depend on the grid. They usually run their own plants. Sometimes it even comes cheaper. FYI, Automobile purchases are not in anyway luxury as mobility is an item of necessity. A growing automobile industry is a sign of an improving middle class. |
Re: FG Endorses Sanusi! by roshia: 10:48pm On May 20, 2010 |
Soldier come soldier go. Soludo brought about consolidations of banks, he has gone. SLS has come with his own policy of specialized banking. He will go. Must banks posted very low profit for last financial year as a result of making full provisions for bad loans including First Bank which SLS managed before becoming CBN governor, others made huge losses. How come only 7 banks were sanctioned. He who comes to equity must come with clean hands. |
Re: FG Endorses Sanusi! by tkb417(m): 10:53pm On May 20, 2010 |
Hehehehhe Automobile is not luxury where? In Nigeria? How many Nigerians can afford to buy cars by paying upfront without running to the banks for car loans? I'm sure it would be less than 10% of the population. So how do u expect car sales to jump up when banks have closed shop? By the way, car sales dropped in virtually all the countries in the world cos of the probs in automobile industry So why should Nigerias case be attached to SLS? Pls, I may be wrong but what year did SLS become d MD of FBN and what year did the stockmarket sham start? Was SLS the MD of FBN in 07/08? Pls clarify |
Re: FG Endorses Sanusi! by jaybee3(m): 11:29pm On May 20, 2010 |
TKB I swear u don try. Remember most Nigerians ride/hump on hear-say bandwagon. It's laughable that someone can actually bring up the automobile industry's woes during the credit crunch like Nigeria was supposed to be immune from it. Little did they know that Germany and UK had to bring in emergency policy/incentive (Customers had a trade in offer of about 2 grand for any old banger towards a brand new car) to help stabilize the industry. Funny thing is funky is a very smart girl but she is just anti-sanusi |
Re: FG Endorses Sanusi! by ADint(m): 11:36pm On May 20, 2010 |
In as much as power is a huge problem amongst other things, these alone cannot explain why the banks are not lending to the real sector, I have made a comment on this earlier: ADint: What we have is a dysfunctional banking industry; some banks built their business models on the back of short-term loan arrangements and 'paddy paddy banking' and thus employed a huge brigade of foot soldiers to service this model. This is unsustainable in the real world; the typical 2-5% margin that is on offer in the real sector is not appealing to them. The agricultural sector for example does not need require a large input of power in a lot of cases, most farm equipment and machinery use diesel or petrol and even at the apparently 'high' prices of petroleum products are still much lower that in other non oil producing countries that still churn out a good agricultural harvest and earn a decent amount of forex from exports. Bankers have gotten so used to making easy money that it is now an herculean task for them to get down to the real business of banking - that is if they ever really knew what that was in the first place. . |
Re: FG Endorses Sanusi! by tubabie(f): 11:36pm On May 20, 2010 |
You peeps are still on this issue? |
Re: FG Endorses Sanusi! by texazzpete(m): 11:43pm On May 20, 2010 |
PapaBrowne: Of course people are reluctant to buy new cars. All the Nigerian Automobile sellers jacked up the prices of their cars astronomically, blaming it all on the new exchange rate. Instead of doing a pre- and post- Sanusi piece, why not find out how much the price of a new Honda City has moved before and after the Naira fell from 115 to 155 to a dollar (which happened under Soludo's watch). At least i know at one point the Hyundai Sonata jumped in price by nearly 400k. It's more costly to buy a new car now, so fewer people are buying. I have no sympathy for these car salesmen. When car manufacturers were slashing prices to sell more during the recession, they didn't pass on the savings to us. Now they are blaming Sanusi when many of their usual clients can't afford their exorbitant rates. |
Re: FG Endorses Sanusi! by texazzpete(m): 11:49pm On May 20, 2010 |
@tkb417 You're wasting your time. As long as funkybaby et al know someone who lost their job under Sanusi's tenure, their position is always going to be 99% personal/emotional and 1% logical. As Nigerians, we're used to finding someone to blame. A convenient scapegoat is needed. No matter how many times Sanusi outlines his objectives, we'll always have hecklers out there insisting he has none. |
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