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Re: I Had A Terrible Dream About Rapture. I'm A Catholic by Ubenedictus(m): 10:47am On May 11, 2018 |
Anas09:were you not taught all these or you just forgot to listen |
Re: I Had A Terrible Dream About Rapture. I'm A Catholic by UbiPetrus: 11:53am On May 11, 2018 |
Ubenedictus:Two things are involved here. It is either; 1. She was taught but never properly understood. OR 2. She was poorly catechized. Either ways she lacked knowledge. I only hope she knows better now. |
Re: I Had A Terrible Dream About Rapture. I'm A Catholic by Anas09: 9:50pm On May 11, 2018 |
Ubenedictus:Can you pls refresh my memories as to what their spiritual significance are? |
Re: I Had A Terrible Dream About Rapture. I'm A Catholic by Anas09: 9:51pm On May 11, 2018 |
Zither:You are very right my brother. |
Re: I Had A Terrible Dream About Rapture. I'm A Catholic by MiddleDimension: 11:37pm On May 11, 2018 |
Anas09: a section of the apostle's creed reads: ''i believe in the reaurection of the dead and life of the world to come''. so i dont know where you got the idea they dont teach rapture. the article of faith regarding life ever lasting is so important to the catholics that every 1st november is celebrated as feast of all saints. which other church does that, including your now 'bible believing'? |
Re: I Had A Terrible Dream About Rapture. I'm A Catholic by UbiPetrus: 6:46am On May 12, 2018 |
MiddleDimension:I've been with both the Pentecostals and the Catholics and to some extent, I understand their theological differences. You see, the Catholic Church doesn't teach rapture like she pointed out. YES, the Catholic Church doesn't teach the protestant/Pentecostal version of rapture; that is, the doctrine of the left behind. Instead, the Catholic Church teaches what she calls the PAROUSIA; that is, the second coming of Jesus. Rapture - the moment we all get transformed and go meet Christ in the air is taught and believed by Catholics. We will indeed be transformed, according to the SACRED TEXTS. We will indeed meet Christ in the air. But nobody will be left behind to be tormented by the anti Christ. The great tribulation will occur before the second coming, the Catholics say. The great tribulation will begin after the rapture the Pentecostals say. I've taken my time to examine both sides of the argument with the Scriptures in hand and I found out that the Catholics are 100% correct. We will be raptured, but that will be at the PAROUSIA, the second coming of Christ. The great tribulation will happen before then(Christ says in Matthew 24: whoever endures to the end will be saved.) Christ will not come and take the saints and allow the sinners to sought themselves out with the Anti Christ. Nah. The wheat and the tars will exist side by side. And in the end of time, the wheat will be gathered into the barn. So, I believe in the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. |
Re: I Had A Terrible Dream About Rapture. I'm A Catholic by trapQ: 7:44am On May 12, 2018 |
This is the religious section. Atheism is not a religion. You're the one disturbing us with your foolishness as you shouldn't be in the religious section the forest place. obinna58: |
Re: I Had A Terrible Dream About Rapture. I'm A Catholic by trapQ: 7:46am On May 12, 2018 |
Pls can you and your jobless fold stop stalking Christians on Christian threads? obinna58: |
Re: I Had A Terrible Dream About Rapture. I'm A Catholic by Zither(m): 7:55am On May 12, 2018 |
trapQ: It would be easier for 10 camels to walk through the eye of a needle all at once, side by side than for these atheists to stop jumping from one Christian thread to another making a nuisance of themselves. They will suffocate and suffer high blood pressure should they even attempt. Now you know why they're addicted to constituitng a nuisance in every Christian-related thread. 2 Likes |
Re: I Had A Terrible Dream About Rapture. I'm A Catholic by Ubenedictus(m): 10:09am On May 12, 2018 |
Anas09: since you asked me what is redemption, the synthesis is that we owed a debt we couldn't pay so God gave us his son to pay the price he didn't owe and by his death he freed us from sin death and hell and by his resurrection gave us victory over the devil. this is redemption in easy terms http://www.saintaquinas.com/what_is_the_redemption.html as a Catholic you should have been taught that and even more, the catechism present it from different angles "He died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures" 601 The Scriptures had foretold this divine plan of salvation through the putting to death of "the righteous one, my Servant" as a mystery of universal redemption, that is, as the ransom that would free men from the slavery of sin. 397 Citing a confession of faith that he himself had "received", St. Paul professes that "Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures." In particular Jesus' redemptive death fulfills Isaiah's prophecy of the suffering Servant. 399 Indeed Jesus himself explained the meaning of his life and death in the light of God's suffering Servant. 400 After his Resurrection he gave this interpretation of the Scriptures to the disciples at Emmaus, and then to the apostles. "For our sake God made him to be sin" 602 Consequently, St. Peter can formulate the apostolic faith in the divine plan of salvation in this way: "You were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your fathers. . . with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot. He was destined before the foundation of the world but was made manifest at the end of the times for your sake." 402 Man's sins, following on original sin, are punishable by death. 403 By sending his own Son in the form of a slave, in the form of a fallen humanity, on account of sin, God "made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God." 404 603 Jesus did not experience reprobation as if he himself had sinned. 405 But in the redeeming love that always united him to the Father, he assumed us in the state of our waywardness of sin, to the point that he could say in our name from the cross: "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" 406 Having thus established him in solidarity with us sinners, God "did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all", so that we might be "reconciled to God by the death of his Son". 407 God takes the initiative of universal redeeming love 604 By giving up his own Son for our sins, God manifests that his plan for us is one of benevolent love, prior to any merit on our part: "In this is love, not that we loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the expiation for our sins." 408 God "shows his love for us in that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us."409 605 At the end of the parable of the lost sheep Jesus recalled that God's love excludes no one: "So it is not the will of your Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should perish." 410 He affirms that he came "to give his life as a ransom for many"; this last term is not restrictive, but contrasts the whole of humanity with the unique person of the redeemer who hands himself over to save us. 411 The Church, following the apostles, teaches that Christ died for all men without exception: "There is not, never has been, and never will be a single human being for whom Christ did not suffer."412 III. CHRIST OFFERED HIMSELF TO HIS FATHER FOR OUR SINS Christ's whole life is an offering to the Father 606 The Son of God, who came down "from heaven, not to do [his] own will, but the will of him who sent [him]", 413 said on coming into the world, "Lo, I have come to do your will, O God." "And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all."414 From the first moment of his Incarnation the Son embraces the Father's plan of divine salvation in his redemptive mission: "My food is to do the will of him who sent me, and to accomplish his work." 415 The sacrifice of Jesus "for the sins of the whole world" 416 expresses his loving communion with the Father. "The Father loves me, because I lay down my life", said the Lord, "[for] I do as the Father has commanded me, so that the world may know that I love the Father." 417 607 The desire to emrace his Father's plan of redeeming love inspired Jesus' whole life, for his redemptive passion was the very reason for his Incarnation. And so he asked, "And what shallI say? 'Father, save me from this hour'? No, for this purpose I have come to this hour." 419 And again, "Shall I not drink the cup which the Father has given me?" 420 From the cross, just before "It is finished", he said, "I thirst." 421 "The Lamb who takes away the sin of the world" 60 After agreeing to baptize him along with the sinners, John the Baptist looked at Jesus and pointed him out as the "Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the wÀrld". 422 By doing so, he reveals that Jesus is at the same time the suffering Servant who silently allows himself to be led to the slaughter and who bears the sin of the multitudes, and also the Paschal Lamb, the symbol of Israel's redemption at the first Passover. 423 Christ's whole life expresses his mission: "to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many." 424 Jesus freely embraced the Father's redeeming love 609 By embracing in his human heart the Father's love for men, Jesus "loved them to the end", for "greater love has no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." 425 In suffering and death his humanity became the free and perfect instrument of his divine love which desires the salvation of men. 426 Indeed, out of love for his Father and for men, whom the Father wants to stve, Jesus freely accepted his Passion and death: "No one takes [my life] from me, but I lay it down of my own accord." 427 Hence the sovereign freedom of God's Son as he went out to his death. 428 At the Last Supper Jesus anticipated the free offering of his life 610 Jesus gave the supreme expression of his free offering of himself at the meal shared with the twelve Apostles "on the night he was betrayed". 429 On the eve of his Passion, while still free, Jesus transformed this Last Supper with the apostles into the memorial of his voluntary offering to the Father for the salvation of men: "This is my body which is given for you." "This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins." 430 611 The Eucharist that Christ institutes at that moment will be the memorial of his sacrifice. 431 Jesus includes the apostles in his own offering and bids them perpetuate it. 432 By doing so, the Lord institutes his apostles as priests of the New Covenant: "For their sakes I sanctify myself, so that they also may be sanctified in truth." 433 The agony at Gethsemani 612 The cup of the New Covenant, which Jesus anticipated when he offered himself at the Last Supper, is afterwards accepted by him from his Father's hands in his agony in the garden at Gethsemani, 434 making himself "obedient unto death". Jesus prays: "My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me. . ." 435 Thus he expresses the horror that death represented for his human nature. Like ours, his human nature is destined for eternal life; but unlike ours, it is perfectly exempt from sin, the cause of death. 436 Above all, his human nature has been assumed by the divine person of the "Author of life", the "Living One". 437 By accepting in his human will that the Father's will be done, he accepts his death as redemptive, for "he himself bore our sins in his body on the tree." 438 Christ's death is the unique and definitive sacrifice 613 Christ's death is both the Paschal sacrifice that accomplishes the definitive redemption of men, through "the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world", 439 and the sacrifice of the New Covenant , which restores man to communion with God by reconciling him to God through the "blood of the covenant, which was poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins". 440 614 This sacrifice of Christ is unique; it completes and surpasses all other sacrifices. 441 First, it is a gift from God the Father himself, for the Father handed his Son over to sinners in order to reconcile us with himself. At the same time it is the offering of the Son of God made man, who in freedom and love offered his life to his Father through the Holy Spirit in reparation for our disobedience. 442 Jesus substitutes his obedience for our disobedience 615 "For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by one man's obedience many will be made righteous." 443 By his obedience unto death, Jesus accomplished the substitution of the suffering Servant, who "makes himself an offering for sin ", when "he bore the sin of many", and who "shall make many to be accounted righteous", for "he shall bear their iniquities". 444 Jesus atoned for our faults and made satisfaction for our sins to the Father. 445 Jesus consummates his sacrifice on the cross 616 It is love "to the end" 446 that confers on Christ's sacrifice its value as redemption and reparation, as atonement and satisfaction. He knew and loved us all when he offered his life. 447 Now "the love of Christ controls us, because we are convinced that one has died for all; therefore all have died." 448 No man, not even the holiest, was ever able to take on himself the sins of all men and offer himself as a sacrifice for all. The existence in Christ of the divine person of the Son, who at once surpasses and embraces all human persons, and constitutes himself as the Head of all mankind, makes possible his redemptive sacrifice for all. 617 The Council of Trent emphasizes the unique character of Christ's sacrifice as "the source of eternal salvation" 449 and teaches that "his most holy Passion on the wood of the cross merited justification for us." catechism of the Catholic church. the bread is broken as a symbol of Christ death for Jesus said this is my body broken for you, it is shared as koinonia, as fellowship of the church with Christ. |
Re: I Had A Terrible Dream About Rapture. I'm A Catholic by UbiPetrus: 10:24am On May 12, 2018 |
Ubenedictus: This goes on to confirm my earlier post. She was taught but never truly understood. |
Re: I Had A Terrible Dream About Rapture. I'm A Catholic by obinna58(m): 11:06am On May 12, 2018 |
trapQ:YOU'RE actually right but you guys need to learn and get freed from religious delusion |
Re: I Had A Terrible Dream About Rapture. I'm A Catholic by obinna58(m): 11:08am On May 12, 2018 |
trapQ:No we're here to help |
Re: I Had A Terrible Dream About Rapture. I'm A Catholic by Zither(m): 11:52am On May 12, 2018 |
obinna58: Lead by example... 1 Like |
Re: I Had A Terrible Dream About Rapture. I'm A Catholic by trapQ: 11:59am On May 12, 2018 |
It's not of your business. Go teach your fellow atheists more on the big bang and how you evolved from a fish. obinna58: |
Re: I Had A Terrible Dream About Rapture. I'm A Catholic by trapQ: 11:59am On May 12, 2018 |
Go help millions of deluded atheists who think they evolved from a fish. obinna58: |
Re: I Had A Terrible Dream About Rapture. I'm A Catholic by Anas09: 12:18pm On May 12, 2018 |
MiddleDimension:Yeah, I didnt say they dont teach resurrection, i said they dont teach Rapture. They teach general resurrection, but the Rapture of saints is what is missing there. Even the general Resurrection is largely in a book, but what is hammered on is prayer for the death who are in purgatory to enter heaven. People are even made to pay money for their dead loved ones to be allowed into heaven. Ubenedictus downloaded the whole Catechism which is only on the pages of paper with no one really know what they meant to me. @Ubenedictus, when last did you hear what you copy pasted there taught in Church? I was a Catholic, i went through Catechism and was never thought those Biblical Principles you just regurgitated there. It is a different thing to have them written down, and a totally different thing from teaching and insisting on people living by those principles. 1 Like |
Re: I Had A Terrible Dream About Rapture. I'm A Catholic by Anas09: 12:23pm On May 12, 2018 |
UbiPetrus:But i am now being taught and i understand. What suddenly changed? My dear, until you see light, you'd think the darkness you are is light. Fela said, 'If you stay for darkness long enough, you go begin see'. Come to the light and see the difference. 2 Likes |
Re: I Had A Terrible Dream About Rapture. I'm A Catholic by Anas09: 12:23pm On May 12, 2018 |
UbiPetrus:But i am now being taught and i understand. What suddenly changed? My dear, until you see light, you'd think the darkness you are is light. Fela said, 'If you stay for darkness long enough, you go begin see'. Come to the light and see the difference. |
Re: I Had A Terrible Dream About Rapture. I'm A Catholic by Anas09: 12:42pm On May 12, 2018 |
obinna58:Why are you concerned with our delusions? Is it your delusion? Mind your depression. 1 Like |
Re: I Had A Terrible Dream About Rapture. I'm A Catholic by obataokenwa(m): 1:00pm On May 12, 2018 |
Anas09:I have so many things both scripturally to say to them but I chose to be quiet cos " teaching a pig how to sing is a waste of time". 1 Like |
Re: I Had A Terrible Dream About Rapture. I'm A Catholic by obinna58(m): 3:33pm On May 12, 2018 |
trapQ:Being an atheist has nothing to do with big bang, though it made more sense than the story book which claim to know how everything started, big bang doesn't require people's belief, it gives only explanation. |
Re: I Had A Terrible Dream About Rapture. I'm A Catholic by obinna58(m): 3:43pm On May 12, 2018 |
Anas09:people with delusions have lot of negative impact on the society which is why they need to get freed in order to think clearly |
Re: I Had A Terrible Dream About Rapture. I'm A Catholic by waldigit: 5:45pm On May 12, 2018 |
ogbright: The message is very simple, if rapture comes today, you shall miss it but shall make it to heaven by passing through tribulation. But your children shall not be ready to pay the price of tribulation. 2 Likes |
Re: I Had A Terrible Dream About Rapture. I'm A Catholic by Anas09: 7:54pm On May 12, 2018 |
obinna58:And yet atheists are the ones considering killing themselves and asking the government to give doctors the legal rights to kill terminal patient's. How is that? 1 Like |
Re: I Had A Terrible Dream About Rapture. I'm A Catholic by UbiPetrus: 9:06pm On May 12, 2018 |
Anas09:Thanks for your invitation. But I'm not in the dark. |
Re: I Had A Terrible Dream About Rapture. I'm A Catholic by Anas09: 10:12pm On May 12, 2018 |
UbiPetrus:You didn't tell me why i didn't understand these things as a Catholic, but do now. |
Re: I Had A Terrible Dream About Rapture. I'm A Catholic by johnw47: 2:01am On May 13, 2018 |
if everything started from nothing, from a big bang, then what went bang? i tied four sticks of gelagnite together and exploded them, i ran over to see what had evolved, but nothing evolved, plenty of things broken and dead, but nothing evolved maybe in millions of years the broken things fix - not |
Re: I Had A Terrible Dream About Rapture. I'm A Catholic by orunto27: 5:32am On May 13, 2018 |
Are The Fulani Herdsmen in your area already? |
Re: I Had A Terrible Dream About Rapture. I'm A Catholic by UbiPetrus: 6:42am On May 13, 2018 |
Anas09:You claimed you weren't taught. So, what's there to tell? |
Re: I Had A Terrible Dream About Rapture. I'm A Catholic by Anas09: 1:19pm On May 13, 2018 |
UbiPetrus:I said i was not taught, You said i was taught but did not understand, and am asking you why i now understand when the pentecostals have taught me, why didn't i understand when the Catholics taught me? You may need to know that my family is still catholic. Serious die heart Catholics as we speak, yet they don't know these things. When we begin these discussions, it appears i'm speaking Greek. You mean they too are still being taught these principles yet don't understand? |
Re: I Had A Terrible Dream About Rapture. I'm A Catholic by Anas09: 1:22pm On May 13, 2018 |
UbiPetrus:Thanks for proving the point Fela made. |
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