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Jesus Did Not Come On Time by Abdulgaffar22: 11:00pm On Jun 02, 2018
The story of Jesus died for our sins would have made sense if Jesus had come and died at the begining of the world so that every son of Adam will have access to his precious blood. But there are many generations among the children of Adam who were completely ignorant about this plan talkless of exercising their faith in it. Yet they are manage to gain their salvation and reconcilation back to God. God has been forgiving people through various means before Jesus arrival; In Ezekiel 33: 10-16, God says; “Son of man, say to the Israelites; this is what you are saying: our offenses and sins weigh us down, and we are wasting away because of them. How then can we live? Say to them: as surely as I live declares the sovereign Lord, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn! Turn from your evil ways! Why will you die, people of Israel? Therefore, son of man say to your people… if someone, one who is wicked, REPENTS, that person’s former wickedness will not bring condemnation… And if I say to the wicked person, you will surely die, but they then turn from their sins and do what is just and right…follow the decree that gives life, and do no evil--that person will surely live: they will not die. NONE OF THE SINS that person has committed will be remembered against them. They have done what is just and right; they will surely live”. You can see that God did not ask the wicked sinners to believe in Jesus crucifixion before their sins can be forgiven in all these verses. What He actually wants from them is sincere repentance from their sinful ways. However many Christian Scholars generally insist that the remission of sins can ONLY be obtained by vicarious blood sacrifice, and they cite as proof Leviticus 17:11 which says: “For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes an atonement for the soul.” But does this verse clearly teach that blood is the ONLY means God has provided to make atonement? Certainly not! The verse quoted above says; “for it is the blood that makes an atonement for the soul.”. The verse did not say; “for it is ONLY the blood that makes an atonement for the soul.” In the Torah, blood sacrifices were not the only path to atonement; there were other ways to achieve forgiveness. For example, INCENSE was served to atone for the people in Numbers 16:46-47. Again, GIVING OF CHARITY is described in Exodus 30:15-16 and Numbers 31:50 as "MAKING ATONEMENT FOR YOUR SOUL"– the same expression used in Leviticus 17:11 quoted above. In fact, King Solomon prophesied that the Jewish people would earn forgiveness for their sins in the land of their enemies by sincere repentance and prayer where they could not have access to blood atonement sacrifices; "If they RETURN TO YOU WITH ALL THEIR HEART AND WITH ALL THEIR SOUL in the land of their enemies who have taken them captive, and PRAY TO YOU TOWARD their LAND which You have given to their fathers, the CITY which You have chosen, and the HOUSE which I have built for Your name; then hear their prayer and their supplication in heaven Your dwelling place, and maintain their cause, and FORGIVE Your people who have sinned against You and ALL THEIR TRANSGRESSIONS which they have transgressed against You…” (I Kings 8:46-50). See how King Solomon prophesied how God would forgive the sins of the Israelites if they repent and pray toward the house of God in Jerusalem just like the Muslims used to pray toward the house of God in Mecca. Again, when Daniel advised the King Nebuchadnezzar on how he would atone for his sins and his iniquities, he did not ask the King to shed any blood. Read what he asked the King to do:"Therefore, O king, let my counsel be acceptable unto you, and break off your sins by PRACTICING RIGHTEOUSNESS, and your iniquities by SHOWING MERCY TO THE POOR (Daniel 4:27). Now that we have established that God can save the wicked soul through sincere repentance without the shedding of Jesus blood on the cross, then there is no need for Jesus to die. But if you assume that the main purpose ofJesus crucifxion
is to remove the curse and the sinful nature we inherited from first Adam, then Jesus did not come at the right time. There are many generations before Jesus that have lived and died with their sinful nature without having the opportunity to believe inJesus talkless of its crucifixion. Yet we cannot say all of them are going to hell. Therefore, Jesus crucifixion as regard to removing our sinful nature is also meaningless and unnecessary.

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Re: Jesus Did Not Come On Time by enilove(m): 12:59am On Jun 03, 2018
Abdulgaffar22:
The story of Jesus died for our sins would have made sense if Jesus had come and died at the begining of the world so that every son of Adam will have access to his precious blood. But there are many generations among the children of Adam who were completely ignorant about this plan talkless of exercising their faith in it. Yet they are manage to gain their salvation and reconcilation back to God. God has been forgiving people through various means before Jesus arrival; In Ezekiel 33: 10-16, God says; “Son of man, say to the Israelites; this is what you are saying: our offenses and sins weigh us down, and we are wasting away because of them. How then can we live? Say to them: as surely as I live declares the sovereign Lord, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn! Turn from your evil ways! Why will you die, people of Israel? Therefore, son of man say to your people… if someone, one who is wicked, REPENTS, that person’s former wickedness will not bring condemnation… And if I say to the wicked person, you will surely die, but they then turn from their sins and do what is just and right…follow the decree that gives life, and do no evil--that person will surely live: they will not die. NONE OF THE SINS that person has committed will be remembered against them. They have done what is just and right; they will surely live”. You can see that God did not ask the wicked sinners to believe in Jesus crucifixion before their sins can be forgiven in all these verses. What He actually wants from them is sincere repentance from their sinful ways. However many Christian Scholars generally insist that the remission of sins can ONLY be obtained by vicarious blood sacrifice, and they cite as proof Leviticus 17:11 which says: “For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes an atonement for the soul.” But does this verse clearly teach that blood is the ONLY means God has provided to make atonement? Certainly not! The verse quoted above says; “for it is the blood that makes an atonement for the soul.”. The verse did not say; “for it is ONLY the blood that makes an atonement for the soul.” In the Torah, blood sacrifices were not the only path to atonement; there were other ways to achieve forgiveness. For example, INCENSE was served to atone for the people in Numbers 16:46-47. Again, GIVING OF CHARITY is described in Exodus 30:15-16 and Numbers 31:50 as "MAKING ATONEMENT FOR YOUR SOUL"– the same expression used in Leviticus 17:11 quoted above. In fact, King Solomon prophesied that the Jewish people would earn forgiveness for their sins in the land of their enemies by sincere repentance and prayer where they could not have access to blood atonement sacrifices; "If they RETURN TO YOU WITH ALL THEIR HEART AND WITH ALL THEIR SOUL in the land of their enemies who have taken them captive, and PRAY TO YOU TOWARD their LAND which You have given to their fathers, the CITY which You have chosen, and the HOUSE which I have built for Your name; then hear their prayer and their supplication in heaven Your dwelling place, and maintain their cause, and FORGIVE Your people who have sinned against You and ALL THEIR TRANSGRESSIONS which they have transgressed against You…” (I Kings 8:46-50). See how King Solomon prophesied how God would forgive the sins of the Israelites if they repent and pray toward the house of God in Jerusalem just like the Muslims used to pray toward the house of God in Mecca. Again, when Daniel advised the King Nebuchadnezzar on how he would atone for his sins and his iniquities, he did not ask the King to shed any blood. Read what he asked the King to do:"Therefore, O king, let my counsel be acceptable unto you, and break off your sins by PRACTICING RIGHTEOUSNESS, and your iniquities by SHOWING MERCY TO THE POOR (Daniel 4:27). Now that we have established that God can save the wicked soul through sincere repentance without the shedding of Jesus blood on the cross, then there is no need for Jesus to die. But if you assume that the main purpose ofJesus crucifxion
is to remove the curse and the sinful nature we inherited from first Adam, then Jesus did not come at the right time. There are many generations before Jesus that have lived and died with their sinful nature without having the opportunity to believe inJesus talkless of its crucifixion. Yet we cannot say all of them are going to hell. Therefore, Jesus crucifixion as regard to removing our sinful nature is also meaningless and unnecessary.


God is a God of preparation .

Jesus came when the vessels to be used for his coming was made available.

Genesis 6:5 KJV
And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

But Noah found grace :

Genesis 6:8-9 KJV
But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord .
[9] These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

Even with perfection of Noah , Jesus could not come because the righteousness of Noah was like a filthy rag b4 God.
Also , God needed a man of faith that would trust Him since it was lack of faith that made Adam and Eve to eat the forbidden fruit.
During the generations of Noah to the generation of Abraham , the devil was in total control and idol worshipping was the order of the day.
God found Abram , a man of faith , who did not believe in idolatery and was called to be saparated from his country , his people and his families so as to be used by God to bring salvation to us.

God gave Abraham and his descendants a land where they would be free from pollution of idolatry. God took the children of Abraham to Egypt to show the world that He is God by signs and wonders which included the dividing of the Red Sea. Without this , Satan would have continue to deceive the whole world.
It was in Egypt God called Moses and gave him laws including but not limited to the ten commandments with different animal sacrifices as temporary atonement for sins to cleanse the Israelites in order to get a vessel of honour worthy to be used by the Son of God for our salvation.
After years of purifications , sanctifications and separations from the idolatry practiced by the world , JESUS WAS BORN BY A VIRGIN AT THE TIME GOD APPOINTED ACCORDING TO THE PROOHYCIES :

Isaiah 9:6-7 KJV
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
[7] Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for EVER. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

All those that died b4 Jesus came could not go to heaven , they were either in hell or underneath the earth where the righteous were placed.

Luke 16:22-26 KJV
And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; [23] And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. [24] And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. [25] But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. [26] And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

Abraham did not go to heaven but was placed there till the coming of Jesus. He was saved but not from the second death.
John 3:13-16 KJV
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. [14] And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: [15] That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. [16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

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Re: Jesus Did Not Come On Time by ExamWide(m): 1:22am On Jun 03, 2018
Re: Jesus Did Not Come On Time by Auki: 6:41am On Jun 03, 2018
Jesus die for our sin

1. Negate God Justice. Innocent man sacrificed for the sinner

2. Negate God being the most merciful. Somebody must die to clean our Sin

3. Condemn most significant part of mankind to Hell for not living for too long to accept Jesus sacrifice

4. Negate personal responsibility, we are free to sin, just accept Jesus.

Satan has made this unreasonable Roman Pagan idea acceptable to Christian.
Re: Jesus Did Not Come On Time by Kobojunkiee: 10:39pm On Feb 22
Auki:
Jesus die for our sin
1. Negate God Justice. Innocent man sacrificed for the sinner
2. Negate God being the most merciful. Somebody must die to clean our Sin
3. Condemn most significant part of mankind to Hell for not living for too long to accept Jesus sacrifice
4. Negate personal responsibility, we are free to sin, just accept Jesus.
Satan has made this unreasonable Roman Pagan idea acceptable to Christian.
This is very interesting conclusion from your person. Indeed, the ideas pedaled by the religion of Christianity of Jesus Christ coming in to abolish their sins are not only unscriptural but also antichrist in origin given that Jesus Christ made clear that His food is to do the Will of His Father while He abandoned His own will. undecided

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