Thousands of dhimmis, Islamic supremacists, stealth jihadists, anti-Semites and fools protest Israeli self-defense across Europe and Middle East

Jihad Flotilla propaganda, still ignoring the genocidal jihadist chants of the flotilla participants, and the fact that they attacked the Israelis first. "Thousands protest flotilla deaths, clashes in Athens," by Yannis Behrakis and Yiorgos Karahalis for Reuters, May 31 (thanks to all who sent this in):

ATHENS, May 31 (Reuters) - Thousands of demonstrators took to the streets in Europe and the Middle East on Monday, clashing with police as they protested against the Israeli storming of a Gaza-bound aid flotilla during which 10 activists were killed.

In Athens, some 3,500 protesters rallied outside the Israeli embassy, chanting "Hands off Gaza" and "Free Palestine". Several hundreds clashed with police, throwing chunks of marble, stones and bottles. Police fired teargas to disperse them.

"Demonstrators set barricades on fire, police chased them, there were a lot of stones and teargas and a few people had blood on their heads," a Reuters witness said, adding he saw four people injured. Police said they detained five protesters.

The Israeli marines' action in the eastern Mediterranean sparked street protests and government ire in Turkey, long Israel's lone Muslim ally in the region, and thousands of followers of an anti-U.S. cleric took to the streets in Baghdad.

Across Egypt, which in 1979 became the first Arab state to sign a peace treaty with Israel, up to 8,000 Egyptians protested, demanding the expulsion of the Israeli ambassador in Cairo and called on the government to open its Rafah borders with Gaza.

The protests were organised by the Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt's biggest opposition group which is affiliated to Hamas, the Islamist group that took control of the Gaza strip in 2007. Two Brotherhood parliamentarians were on board the convoy ships.

"Hamas you are the cannon and the Brotherhood is your voice," chanted thousands of Egyptians protesting in Cairo. The Brotherhood routinely organises protests demanding the lifting of the Israeli blockade on Gaza.

Police used teargas in Paris when about 2,000 people demonstrated near the Israeli embassy, hurling stones, waving Palestinian and Turkish flags and brandishing banners saying "Long live free Palestine" and "Criminal Israel."

Small, peaceful anti-Israel demonstrations were held in Rome and other Italian cities. "The Italian government needs to immediately call back its ambassador from Israel as other countries in Europe have done," said Paolo Cento, a leftwing politician among the demonstrators.

"This is extremely serious and has no precedent whatsoever in the history of international diplomacy."

Swedish police said more than 5,000 protesters marched from a central Stockholm square towards the Israeli embassy, carrying banners and shouting slogans.

Chanting "Boycott Israel", they held banners saying "Free Gaza", "Put Israel on Trial, "Israel to The Hague" and "Gaza Bleeds."

Israel is fighting for her survival.

Though it is deplorable that so many people died, this was a clear provocation by the so called 'peace activitists '.

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You better change the title or be seen as a fool. I have always ascribed you with more intelligence, but it seems I was wrong.

Beaf I cannot begin to compete with you on Intelligence, you are too much for me.

But this article is looking at the news from a totally different angle.

For your info the international waters where the so called 'peace activists' encountered Israel commandos is a declared war zone.

Only a FOOL will venture into a war zone and despite all warnings, continue regardless of the consequences to enter a forbidden zone.

Despite my sympathy for the Palestinians, they are held hostage by a venomous breed of rabid dogs called Hamas, who use every opportunity to demonise the Israelites. It is a know fact that many shipments to Hamas in the past have contained missile parts and systems, grenades and assorted assault weapons.

Israel is under siege, a nation about the same size as Wales, hated on every side, despised by millions and threatened with annihilation by that lunatic of Iran, and you expect them to sit with their legs in the air and sip some coffee.

frosbel:

Beaf I cannot begin to compete with you on Intelligence, you are too much for me.

But this article is looking at the news from a totally different angle.

For your info the [size=27pt]international waters [/size]where the so called 'peace activists' encountered Israel commandos is a declared war zone.

Only a FOOL will venture into a war zone and despite all warnings, continue regardless of the consequences to enter a [size=27pt]forbidden zone[/size].

Despite my sympathy for the Palestinians, they are held hostage by a venomous breed of rabid dogs called Hamas, who use every opportunity to demonise the Israelites. It is a know fact that many shipments to Hamas in the past have contained missile parts and systems, grenades and assorted assault weapons.

Israel is under siege, a nation about the same size as Wales, hated on every side, despised by millions and threatened with annihilation by that lunatic of Iran, and you expect them to sit with their legs in the air and sip some coffee.

Have you ever wondered why you can't, for instance, drill oil in international waters? "Declared war zone" indeed! "Forbidden zone!" Rubbish!

Only a FOOL will venture into a war zone and despite all warnings, continue regardless of the consequences to enter a forbidden zone.

Firstly, the international water where Israel intercepted the flotilla was not a "war zone". Get your facts right.

Only a FOOL would attempt to justify what is clearly a blatant act of piracy and murder against innocent civilians carrying aid to a people imprisoned by an immoral, apartheid, murderous regime that is Israel.
Only FOOL would attempt to justify the forceful boarding of a civilian vessel, in international waters, at night, by fully armed IDF commandos.
Only a FOOL would call trying to deliver aid to a people that have been illegally blockaded according to UN Resolution 1860 a "clear provocation"
Only a FOOL would call someone attempting defend his ship against heavily harmed men boarding it illegally "so called peace activists".

Israel is under siege, a nation about the same size as Wales, hated on every side, despised by millions and threatened with annihilation by that lunatic of Iran

I wonder why! And what exactly makes Ahmadinejad a lunatic?

lol i wonder why when it comes to Israel everything is suddenly "international". Could this be another way of delegitimising the state of Israel by stealth means?

Only with Israel do we talk of "international law", "international waters", "international land (Jerusalem)", "international refugees" . . .

The dhimmis yelling about Israel's response to the flotilla shld ask themselves why the US placed an embargo on Cuba for allowing Russian missiles and submarines on its own soil. I'm quite sure Cuba is not an extension of the USA.

Oh well . . . one law for others, another for Israel . . . did i hear someone say "international law"?

Beaf:

Have you ever wondered why you can't, for instance, drill oil in international waters? "Declared war zone" indeed! "Forbidden zone!" Rubbish!

you are entitled to your opinion

It is clear to anyone with eyes in their head that the battle taking place off the Gaza shore is in fact a clash between an Islamist coalition which Turkey attempts to head – and which includes Iran, Hamas, and Hezbollah on one hand – and forces with a liberal Western orientation, represented by Israel, on the other hand.


This fight isn’t about Gaza. The battle is about the future of the Middle East: Will it be a future where the existing political order is maintained, or will radical Islamic forces rise and replace the current order, as already happened in Lebanon and in Turkey.



The sail to Gaza is merely one event in this struggle of titans. If Israel wanted to stop the flotilla, it could have done it more elegantly – for example, by sabotaging the ships underwater. Another possibility was to block their path while declaring that only Gilad Shalit’s release will allow the vessels to continue. This way, Israel would have shifted this hot potato to Hamas.


Yet even such success would not have prompted a victory in respect to the big question: Who is the master of this region? It appears that Israel chose to tell the Islamisizing Turkey, which is ruled by a group that is ideologically identical to Hamas – no more. The forces of the Ottoman Empire, who aspire to again rule the Middle East as they did almost 500 years ago, will be stopped at Gaza’s shores.


The time has come to tell those who live near and far that this battle is not just about the Middle East; rather, it is a fight for the face of this world. At this time, Israel is located at a frontal outpost, where it fights the war of the enlightened, liberal, pluralist, open, and democratic world – in the huge struggle against the Islamic forces that threaten to take over the world and subjugate it to their green flag.


The participation of Sheikh Raed Salah, the head of the northern Islamic Movement in Israel, in this sail serves as proof that the battle is not territorial, national, or humanitarian – rather, it is a cultural-religious one. The IDF operation was meant to be the bell that may wake up the world from its stupor, so it sees the Islamic cloud that is about to cover the sun of global liberal democracy.


http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3896611,00.html

frosbel:

you are entitled to your opinion

If you had realised that early enough, you would have chosen a more sensible title. What separates you from other violent religious boneheads like Evangelist Ukpabio (of child witch fame), Boko Haram and Al-Qaida? The common thread is an overbearing, terrorising attitude.

Beaf:

If you had realised that early enough, you would have chosen a more sensible title. What separates you from other violent religious boneheads like Evangelist Ukpabio (of child witch fame), Boko Haram and Al-Qaida? The common thread is an overbearing, terrorising attitude.

Oh common, you can reason better than this gibberish you just spilled out here.

@daviddylan -

lol i wonder why when it comes to Israel everything is suddenly "international". Could this be another way of delegitimizing the state of Israel by stealth means?

Where is the proof that it is only "international" when it applies to Israel? The flotilla was simply in international waters, not Israeli waters. Even Israel is not claiming otherwise.
The US embargo on Cuba was not enforced by violence towards other countries, but rather through backroom horsetrading. the countries that still wanted to trade with Cuba did so, and are still doing so today.

BTW - The state of Israel as we know it today was created via illegitimate means. I'm sure you would not argue with that.

This fight isn’t about Gaza. The battle is about the future of the Middle East: Will it be a future where the existing political order is maintained, or will radical Islamic forces rise and replace the current order, as already happened in Lebanon and in Turkey.

What nonsense are you spouting? Are you a propaganda mouthpiece for Israel? I sure hope you are being paid for it!

Romeo4real:

@daviddylan -
Where is the proof that it is only "international" when it applies to Israel? The flotilla was simply in international waters, not Israeli waters. Even Israel is not claiming otherwise.

there is abundant proof, you're just not interested in seeing it. No point giving you numerous examples.

Romeo4real:

The US embargo on Cuba was not enforced by violence towards other countries, but rather through backroom horsetrading. the countries that still wanted to trade with Cuba did so, and are still doing so today.

lol what nonsense. And Cuba is what? A piece of empty land?

Romeo4real:

BTW - The state of Israel as we know it today was created via illegitimate means. I'm sure you would not argue with that.

lol is there any point in debating this further? Sheer absurdity.

frosbel:

Oh common, you can reason better than this gibberish you just spilled out here.

What is gibberish about it? Did I choose the childish, emotionally immature and irresponsible title for this thread. You did.

Did I write this fanatical nonsense below? You did.

frosbel: It is clear to anyone with eyes in their head that the battle taking place off the Gaza shore is in fact a clash between an Islamist coalition which Turkey attempts to head – and which includes Iran, Hamas, and Hezbollah  on one hand – and forces with a liberal Western orientation, represented by Israel, on the other hand.

This fight isn’t about Gaza. The battle is about the future of the Middle East: Will it be a future where the existing political order is maintained, or will radical Islamic forces rise and replace the current order, as already happened in Lebanon and in Turkey.

Listen to a balanced and more informed source than your Boko Haramic outbursts;

Internationally renowned names were on board, among them activists, authors, film-makers, politicians and journalists from Europe, the Middle East, the US and Canada.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/31/gaza-freedom-flotilla-activists-passengers-israel

The folk the Guardian refers too are obviously Hamas Nobel Laureates, writers and film makers. Daft!

Beaf:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/31/gaza-freedom-flotilla-activists-passengers-israel

The folk the Guardian refers too are obviously Hamas Nobel Laureates, writers and film makers. Daft!

lol the guardian UK as an unbiased source for Arab-Israeli conflicts? You only need to read the commenti-is-free page to see HAMAS activists writing articles there too!

davidylan:

lol the guardian UK as an unbiased source for Arab-Israeli conflicts? You only need to read the commenti-is-free page to see HAMAS activists writing articles there too!

Ok, lets assume the Guardian is as biased as the devil is against good; would that change demographics of those on the flotilla?
There was also an ex US ambassador on board one of the boats, so I've now to go and check that all the sourse citing the fact are not what you call "unbiased sources for Arab-Israeli conflicts"?

So all the people mentioned by the Guardian were Arabs? Or how have you come to imply that a multi-national aid flotilla is part of an Arab side in an "Arab-Israeli conflict"? If you backtrack from calling them Arabs, pray tell us; where are they from and is your classification of their efforts just and reasonable?

there is abundant proof, you're just not interested in seeing it. No point giving you numerous examples.

Please just give me ONE example of anything that applies only to Israel, and did not apply to another country that did the same. In fact, quite clearly, the opposite is true.

lol what nonsense. And Cuba is what? A piece of empty land?

Please show me when and where the US ever resorted to force to enforce the embargo on Cuba. Please show me when the US ever attacked a civilian ship, in international waters going to Cuba. Just one example would do.

lol is there any point in debating this further? Sheer absurdity.

Disagreement with facts, without any supporting argument of your own is what is absurd. The illegitimacy of Israels creation is a widely known fact. Its not even hidden. Again, please demonstrate what was legitimate in the creation of the state of Israel. I am sure you know the facts surrounding that, don't you?

Beaf:


Ok, lets assume the Guardian is as biased as the devil is against good; would that change demographics of those on the flotilla?
There was also an ex US ambassador on board one of the boats, so I've now to go and check that all the sourse citing the fact are not what you call "unbiased sources for Arab-Israeli conflicts"?

So all the people mentioned by the Guardian were Arabs? Or how have you come to imply that a multi-national aid flotilla is part of an Arab side in an "Arab-Israeli conflict"? If you backtrack from calling them Arabs, pray tell us; where are they from and is your classification of their efforts just and reasonable?

Its funny that you cite a paper where the likes of Khaled Meshaal have published articles. What next? An article by OBL to tell us why Afghanistan shld not be attacked for harbouring alqaeda?  

@daviddylan -

lol the guardian UK as an unbiased source for Arab-Israeli conflicts? You only need to read the commenti-is-free page to see HAMAS activists writing articles there too!

Have you read what Haaretz - Israel's oldest daily newspaper has to say about it? Have you read the "Opinions" section of Haaretz? Or is Hamas writing for them too?

And are we to assume you are an Israeli activist posting on NL?

Romeo4real:

Please just give me ONE example of anything that applies only to Israel, and did not apply to another country that did the same. In fact, quite clearly, the opposite is true.

All that said with no shred of evidence. hilarious.  

Romeo4real:

Please show me when and where the US ever resorted to force to enforce the embargo on Cuba. Please show me when the US ever attacked a civilian ship, in international waters going to Cuba. Just one example would do.

Absurd. This people clearly dont read.

Romeo4real:

Disagreement with facts, without any supporting argument of your own is what is absurd. The illegitimacy of Israels creation is a widely known fact. Its not even hidden. Again, please demonstrate what was legitimate in the creation of the state of Israel. I am sure you know the facts surrounding that, don't you?

I've just had to give history lessons to the folks on the other thread who clearly dont understand what it is they are arguing. Adding you to the roster is another exercise in futility.

lol the creation of Israel was not "legitimate"? What is he talking about?

Romeo4real:

@daviddylan - Have you read what Haaretz - Israel's oldest daily newspaper has to say about it? Have you read the "Opinions" section of Haaretz? Or is Hamas writing for them too?

And are we to assume you are an Israeli activist posting on NL?

At least Israel has papers where opposing views can be aired freely. Want to give us one such paper in Gaza?

Its funny that you cite a paper where the likes of  Khaled Meshaal have published articles. What next? An article by OBL to tell us why Afghanistan shld not be attacked for harbouring alqaeda

Now you are talking out of your backside. Khaled Meshaal is the leader of a democratically elected organisation. Why should the Guardian not air his opinions? If Binyamin Netanyahu, Hilary Clinton or Tzipi Livni can opine in the Guardian, please tell me why Khaled Meshaal cant?

At least Israel has papers where opposing views can be aired freely. Want to give us one such paper in Gaza?

And what is your point? That papers in Gaza do not carry opposing opinions? So we should imprison the Gazans for that, Instigate an illegal blockade? And kill innocent civilian trying to deliver aid? What exactly is the point of that statement?

Romeo4real:

Now you are talking out of your backside. Khaled Meshaal is the leader of a democratically elected organisation. Why should the Guardian not air his opinions? If Binyamin Netanyahu, Hilary Clinton or Tzipi Livni can opine in the Guardian, please tell me why Khaled Meshaal cant?

That's nonsense. Khaled Meshaal is leader of an organisation that is regarded as a terrorist organisation by Israel, the US and the EU including China and Russia. There is NO democracy in Gaza . . . i dont think i need to provide links to prove this.

But oh well, i'm debating with factless trolls.

Romeo4real:

And what is your point? That papers in Gaza do not carry opposing opinions? So we should imprison the Gazans for that, Instigate an illegal blockade? And kill innocent civilian trying to deliver aid? What exactly is the point of that statement?

and the blockade by Egypt is illegal too right? Hypocrites.

davidylan:

Its funny that you cite a paper where the likes of Khaled Meshaal have published articles. What next? An article by OBL to tell us why Afghanistan shld not be attacked for harbouring alqaeda?

. . .In your opinion only.
Does it change the fact that the people on board were well educated and adjusted European leaders of thought as the Guardian reported? Whats your point?
Are the Nobel Laureates, film makers, novelists etc that were on board the new Al-Qaeda to you? I am struggling to understand the point you are trying to make. Why the mention of Afghanistan?

All that said with no shred of evidence. hilarious.  Cheesy

Don't ignore the question. Just answer it please. In case you have a short memory, here it is again -  "Please just give me ONE example of anything that applies only to Israel, and did not apply to another country that did the same"

Also,here is your evidence - Israel has 223 UN Resolutions condemning it, or against actions it has undertaken - by far the highest of any country, showing Israel flouts more international law than any other country. Is that good enough for you? OR DO YOU WANT ME TO PROVIDE MORE? I am waiting for your evidence to refute mine

Absurd. This people clearly dont read.

Why cant you just answer the question? Your ignorance on the subject you have chosen to debate is apparent. Do you actually know anything about the US embargo on Cuba? Please JUST answer the question, here it is again - "Please show me when and where the US ever resorted to force to enforce the embargo on Cuba". Please show me when the US ever attacked a civilian ship, in international waters going to Cuba. Just one example would do.

I've just had to give history lessons to the folks on the other thread who clearly don't understand what it is they are arguing. Adding you to the roster is another exercise in futility.

Because you know i can easily prove how disingenuous your "history lessons" are. Go on, just try it.

lol the creation of Israel was not "legitimate"? What is he talking about?

This statement really shows up your knowledge of history. Davidylan, please know your subject matter before you engage in debate about it. Again, please show me what was "legitimate" about the creation of the state of Israel. Just try to.

Beaf:

. . .In your opinion only.
Does it change the fact that the people on board were well educated and adjusted European leaders of thought as the Guardian reported? Whats your point?
Are the Nobel Laureates, film makers, novelists etc that were on board the new Al-Qaeda to you? I am struggling to understand the point you are trying to make. Why the mention of Afghanistan?

IF you took the time to read my last two posts, i dont remember insinuating any such nonsense. But of course the issues are not pertinent to you as much as "winning an empty argument" packed full of holes and highlighted only by your own paucity of historical knowledge widely available via google.

and the blockade by Egypt is illegal too right? Hypocrites.

You have finally shown your own ignorance on the subject matter. I already informed you it is important to know you subject matter before entering into debate.

There is no "blockade" of Gaza by Egypt. Egypt and Gaza share a common border, which Egypt decided to close at Rafah. A country has the right to close its borders to another country. Israel blockade regards the waters, sea port and airspace in/around Gaza. These areas are NOT part of Israeli territory, and the action has been deemed illegal by the UN under Resolution 1860.

Do you actually know what a "blockade means? Well, let me educate you - A blockade is an effort to cut off food, supplies, war material or communications from a particular area by force, either in part or totally. A blockade should not be confused with an embargo or sanctions, which are legal barriers to trade, and is distinct from a siege in that a blockade is usually directed at an entire country or region, rather than a fortress or city. Also, a blockade historically took place at sea, with the blockading power seeking to cut off all maritime transport from and to the blockaded country; although stopping all land transport to and from an area may also be considered a blockade.

Romeo4real:

Don't ignore the question. Just answer it please. In case you have a short memory, here it is again -  

I dont have a short memory, the problem is you have no memory for news.

Romeo4real:

With regard to the opposite being true - Israel has 223 UN Resolutions condemning it, or against actions it has undertaken - by far the highest of any country.mIs that enough evidence for you? OR DO YOU WANT ME TO PROVIDE MORE? I am waiting for your evidence to refute mine

lol the usual trotting out of the despicable propaganda they've been fed like the goons they are. Have you asked why Israel has way more "resolutions condemning it" as against horrible dictators like Saddam Hussein or nations like Sudan or Rwanda? Might it have something to do with the fact that muslim nations are all unanimously aligned against Israel and happen to do nothing else at the UN but sponsor resolution upon resolution at it?

Have you fools stopped to wonder why Syria has NO resolution against it DESPITE occupying Lebanon for 22 SOLID YRS (an occupation that only ended in 2006), being complicit in the killing of its prime ministers? Has it occured to you to ask WHY Egypt is presently building a barrier to wall off Gaza?

Romeo4real:

Why cant you just answer the question? Your ignorance on the subject you have chosen to debate is apparent.

lol quite a funny take on the subject. A troll with no facts accusing others of "ignorance of the subject". Of course he seems to equate "knowledge" with being able to trot out propaganda he just picked up from wikipedia.

Romeo4real:

Do you actually know anything about the US embargo on Cuba? Please JUST answer the question, here it is again - Please show me when and where the US ever resorted to force to enforce the embargo on Cuba. Please show me when the US ever attacked a civilian ship, in international waters going to Cuba. Just one example would do.

Do you? lol

Romeo4real:

Because you know i can easily prove how disingenuous your "history lessons" are. Go on, just try it.

what utter bull.  

Romeo4real:

This statement really shows up your knowledge of history. Davidylan, please know your subject matter before you engage in debate about it. Again, please show me what was "legitimate" about the creation of the state of Israel. Just try to.

How was the creation of Israel illegitimate? The USA, UK, EU and Russia happen to think its creation is legitimate. I daresay they have some history to learn from our very learned Romeo4real here.

The amount of revolting nonsense you read here can leave you speechless.

Has this fool ever read of the british mandate of palestine and the creation of Jordan in 1922? Does this idiot also happen to think that Jordan is an illegitimate state too as it sits on 75% of the old mandate of palestine, is 95-97% palestinian arab and is ruled by descendants of the sheiks of Mecca with NO ties to palestine?

i can only laugh at the amount of idiocy this threads seem to engender. Its the typical Nigerian problem, everyone wants to be an "expert" on everything.