Hairyrapunzel:


You that said hiding pedophilles and rapists in the family is better than reporting them to police.

A man in your church will rape your child. Instead of going to the police to report the criminal, you go to your elders and this man keeps denying the allegation whereas your child keeps saying he raped her. Because there was no other person present the illiterate elders tell you to live it in Jehovah's hands.

You will even tell the rapist or pedophille welcome to the family

2John 10,11 3John 9,10 Hebrews 5:14

Hairyrapunzel, Anti-JW virus done eat up your brain & poison your soul. JWs have amended their procedures to comply with the Laws of the Land & went a step further, their official website( www.jw.org ) educates people about the matter. (Something that U & your ilk can never do). Your mumu brain no fit see & reason on the committed efforts of Jehovah's people to protect the vulnerable & tackle the child abuse menace. No other church or religious body can boast of doing as much as JWs to sensitize the public to check abuse of children. But ,U yourself na to libel & slander U get PhD . Tufia !!!!

OneJ:
Hairyrapunzel, Anti-JW virus done eat up your brain & poison your soul. JWs have amended their procedures to comply with the Laws of the Land & went a step further, their official website( www.jw.org ) educates people about the matter. (Something that U & your ilk can never do). Your mumu brain no fit see & reason on the committed efforts of Jehovah's people to protect the vulnerable & tackle the child abuse menace. No other church or religious body can boast of doing as much as JWs to sensitize the public to check abuse of children. But ,U yourself na to libel & slander U get PhD . Tufia !!!!

You magazines na slander abi? This is serious. Lol. Where did they tell elders to inform the victims parents to go to the police? Or where did they tell elders to tell victims parents to go to court if the pedophille keeps Denying? Interesting.

If it's watchtowers finances that's at stake watchtower will go to court while if it's child abuse victims they won't advise their parents to go to court. Instead they withdraw privileges from parents who decide to take pedophilles to court.

You want some more quotes from your magazines?

OneJ:
Hairyrapunzel, Anti-JW virus done eat up your brain & poison your soul. JWs have amended their procedures to comply with the Laws of the Land & went a step further, their official website( www.jw.org ) educates people about the matter. (Something that U & your ilk can never do). Your mumu brain no fit see & reason on the committed efforts of Jehovah's people to protect the vulnerable & tackle the child abuse menace. No other church or religious body can boast of doing as much as JWs to sensitize the public to check abuse of children. But ,U yourself na to libel & slander U get PhD . Tufia !!!!

Every community has the liberty to set their own rules and regulations without outside communities intervention! So if the watchtower as a community or nation has our own rules it's either you comply or leave the community. In this case the matter is settled, whoever wants to continue being a part of the community or nation so to speak have to decide on his/her own. Fela Anikulapo Kuti said everyone has a teacher, parents teach children, teachers teach in schools,lecturers teach in varsities,governments teach the subjects while CULTURE and TRADITION teach those ruling. Watchtower community coined their rules and regulations from Bible standards and it has become our tradition so whoever loves the community can join. We're not forcing or compelling anyone to stay and the worldly governments realizes that each community has the right to make their own rules so far they're not forcing anyone to abide by it! They only intervene at the cost of breaking their own standards which stipulates "Freedom of expression,religion and association" Of course every religious groups and associations or organizations has their own rules, you maintain been a member by adhering to their rules and you stop if you're not OK with it. It's insanity that makes someone complain bitterly about a community that's happily enjoying themselves. Whatever Hairy has got to say shouldn't require "direct response" from any member of the community because obviously he is not finding joy elsewhere yet the only community that's capable of giving him joy he wants to rewrite their rules which is impossible! That's why persons like him are "disfellowshiped" so he is now free to go and associate with any religious group of his choice. 1Corinthians 5:5

OneJ
Riofidelio

For the record, and for clarity purposes, how does watchtower direct elders to handle reported cases of pedophiles in the congregation?

What I actually expect is that you give a series of steps taken from when a report to made, the steps elders take to establish guilt, what do they expected from the accuser and the accused, etc.


Note. Setting the record straight is important and I am giving you the opportunity to do that. Before God and man.

rottennaija:
OneJ
Riofidelio

For the record, and for clarity purposes, how does watchtower direct elders to handle reported cases of pedophiles in the congregation?

What I actually expect is that you give a series of steps taken from when a report to made, the steps elders take to establish guilt, what do they expected from the accuser and the accused, etc.


Note. Setting the record straight is important and I am giving you the opportunity to do that. Before God and man.

The Bible is our guide so we don't run ahead of it. A case is established when someone accused another of a crime,but eye witnesses are required for further investigation because many innocent people have been wrongly accused and killed due to hasty judgement! Jesus didn't object to stoning the adulterous woman brought to him back then, but He sensed hypocrisy on the part of her accusers. If she's found guilty of adultery or fornication, it's both the male and the female involved that should be killed.Leviticus 20:10 But these hypocrites are about to stone just one person whom they accused of having illicit sex, with whom? Nobody! And they would have gone ahead with that jungle justice had it been that Jesus wasn't contacted So Jehovah's witnesses always try to ascertain Issues before moving ahead with judicial decisions,we believe that perfect justice can only be achieved in God's Kingdom where nothing could be hidden. We've heard cases of parents accusing a bachelor of rape just to force him to marry their daughter(victim),little girl instigated to accuse an adult of pedophilia to tarnish image, young lady accusing a young man of rape because he gilted her after promising her marriage, conspiracy to demote an ordained minister and so on. All these also happened during the time of the Israelites so whenever there comes accusations we are always cautious so as not to wrongly punish the innocent. That's why we give time for thorough investigation before further actions. Imagine the story of those two women in Solomon's palace,it was her quick response to kill the child that made Solomon realize that she's not the real mother! So we strongly believe that in HIS own time God will expose those who are secretly doing evil but until then we can only judge what is visible!

Riofidelio:
The Bible is our guide so we don't run ahead of it. A case is established when someone accused another of a crime,but eye witnesses are required for further investigation because many innocent people have been wrongly accused and killed due to hasty judgement! Jesus didn't object to stoning the adulterous woman brought to him back then, but He sensed hypocrisy on the part of her accusers. If she's found guilty of adultery or fornication, it's both the male and the female involved that should be killed.Leviticus 20:10 But these hypocrites are about to stone just one person whom they accused of having illicit sex, with whom? Nobody! And they would have gone ahead with that jungle justice had it been that Jesus wasn't contacted So Jehovah's witnesses always try to ascertain Issues before moving ahead with judicial decisions,we believe that perfect justice can only be achieved in God's Kingdom where nothing could be hidden. We've heard cases of parents accusing a bachelor of rape just to force him to marry their daughter(victim),little girl instigated to accuse an adult of pedophilia to tarnish image, young lady accusing a young man of rape because he gilted her after promising her marriage, conspiracy to demote an ordained minister and so on. All these also happened during the time of the Israelites so whenever there comes accusations we are always cautious so as not to wrongly punish the innocent. That's why we give time for thorough investigation before further actions. Imagine the story of those two women in Solomon's palace,it was her quick response to kill the child that made Solomon realize that she's not the real mother! So we strongly believe that in HIS own time God will expose those who are secretly doing evil but until then we can only judge what is visible!

Well, thank you for the long epistle. However, you are simple not said anything to set the record straight.

For the record, and for clarity purposes, how does watchtower direct elders to handle reported cases of pedophiles in the congregation?

What I actually expect is that you give a series of steps taken from when a report to made, the steps elders take to establish guilt, what do they expected from the accuser and the accused, etc.

rottennaija:


Well, thank you for the long epistle. However, you are simple not said anything to set the record straight.

For the record, and for clarity purposes, how does watchtower direct elders to handle reported cases of pedophiles in the congregation?

What I actually expect is that you give a series of steps taken from when a report to made, the steps elders take to establish guilt, what do they expected from the accuser and the accused, etc.

Hmmmmmmmmm what i tried to do is making you see the reality when accusations are brought forward. But we have no other procedure than what Jesus instructed US in Matthew 18:12-20 So after TWO or THREE elders (delegated) by all the elders in the congregation have considered the case whoever is not satisfied with their decision should forget about Christianity because Jesus will not change His words. They are His representatives handling any case "whatever they bind, Jesus binds and whatever they loosen Jesus loosen" Now if they err in their judicial decisions Jesus is very much aware of their limitations and of course He has already taught US to be patient until His kingdom is finally establish but if they're hypocritical in their decision a true Christian will wait patiently for Jesus to punish them. Luke 17:2 So my friend faith is not about what you must get instantly (including perfect justice) Hebrews 11:1and without faith it's impossible to please God well because you must believe that HE is the one who will reward you in HIS own time!Hebrews 11:6

Riofidelio:
Hmmmmmmmmm what i tried to do is making you see the reality when accusations are brought forward. But we have no other procedure than what Jesus instructed US in Matthew 18:12-20 So after TWO or THREE elders (delegated) by all the elders in the congregation have considered the case whoever is not satisfied with their decision should forget about Christianity because Jesus will not change His words. They are His representatives handling any case "whatever they bind, Jesus binds and whatever they loosen Jesus loosen" Now if they err in their judicial decisions Jesus is very much aware of their limitations and of course He has already taught US to be patient until His kingdom is finally establish but if they're hypocritical in their decision a true Christian will wait patiently for Jesus to punish them. Luke 17:2 So my friend faith is not about what you must get instantly (including perfect justice) Hebrews 11:1and without faith it's impossible to please God well because you must believe that HE is the one who will reward you in HIS own time!Hebrews 11:6

Child sexual abuse is a crime, where there are hardly any witnesses to the crime.. Except the accused confesses, watchtower elders can hardly establishes a basis for judicial proceedings.

While two witnesses is a scriptural basis, and Jesus emphasis in it. The organization has also allowed for separate witnesses to a different incident (to fulfill two witnesses). However, the accused can still deny the accusation.

How about reporting the crime to the authorities? (Because authorities demand such reporting in order to remove the offended from the community to avoid repeated offense and safeguard other children also)


Did Jesus also say the authorizes should not be informed? Did he also say you elders should call the legal department when they learn of child sexual abuse? (because it's only in child sexual abuse that the legal department are called)

rottennaija:


How about reporting the crime to the authorities?

Well the authorities stand in their relative positions NOT for case that could be resolved amicably within ourselves, but for cases beyond what we can handle. True Christians are a nation on their own, they have a King(Jesus) and representatives(elders) so any case within their community could be resolved without the interference of external bodies. But if a member of their community decides to forward a case that's normally handled within to another body outside their community then it's obvious that such a person doesn't believe or trust his community. Jehovah's witnesses ONLY reports cases that can't be handled within our spiritual nation to the external authorities and it's our community that will forward the case not an individual! For example, the traditional ruler in your village will transfer a case that's beyond him to the superior authorities, the police will refer you to court if it's beyond their capability to settle, court calls on the rulers, rulers go for WAR! So you can see that Jesus knows why He said we should settle cases within the congregation. Vengeance leads to war and war leads to destruction of more innocent lives.READ the Bible book of Judges chap 19 & 20 Please my friend, we're Christians so we're ever satisfied with whatever Jesus(our King) used the congregation elders to settle until His kingdom come. God bless you!

Apology is not enough. Child abuse is still rampant and the day the church start making a public spectacle of the priests caught in this act then their apology will matter.

Riofidelio:
Well the authorities stand in their relative positions NOT for case that could be resolved amicably within ourselves, but for cases beyond what we can handle. True Christians are a nation on their own, they have a King(Jesus) and representatives(elders) so any case within their community could be resolved without the interference of external bodies. But if a member of their community decides to forward a case that's normally handled within to another body outside their community then it's obvious that such a person doesn't believe or trust his community. Jehovah's witnesses ONLY reports cases that can't be handled within our spiritual nation to the external authorities and it's our community that will forward the case not an individual! For example, the traditional ruler in your village will transfer a case that's beyond him to the superior authorities, the police will refer you to court if it's beyond their capability to settle, court calls on the rulers, rulers go for WAR! So you can see that Jesus knows why He said we should settle cases within the congregation. Vengeance leads to war and war leads to destruction of more innocent lives.READ the Bible book of Judges chap 19 & 20 Please my friend, we're Christians so we're ever satisfied with whatever Jesus(our King) used the congregation elders to settle until His kingdom come. God bless you!

So in other words, the organization of jw will continue to cover up child abuse. What steps are taken to protect other children when the accused has not confessed?

rottennaija:



Child sexual abuse is a crime, where there are hardly any witnesses to the crime.. Except the accused confesses, watchtower elders can hardly establishes a basis for judicial proceedings.

While two witnesses is a scriptural basis, and Jesus emphasis in it. The organization has also allowed for separate witnesses to a different incident (to fulfill two witnesses). However, the accused can still deny the accusation.

How about reporting the crime to the authorities? (Because authorities demand such reporting in order to remove the offended from the community to avoid repeated offense and safeguard other children also)


Did Jesus also say the authorizes should not be informed? Did he also say you elders should call the legal department when they learn of child sexual abuse? (because it's only in child sexual abuse that the legal department are called)

Jesús did not have any business with worldly authorities because they're as good as dead before Him. They're standing in a position that's supposed to be occupied by no other person than God HIMSELF. Man wasn't created to rule over man from the beginning and dos and donts is for God ALONE to decide. However Satan has convinced majority to believe in man-made rules so until the system totally collapse (which is about to happen) and Jesus destroy all of them(Daniel 2:44) they're are allowed to keep deceiving themselves and their subjects. Ecclesiastes 4:1,8:9 Either child abuse or adult abuse God is not interested because that is part of the consequences of what Adam and Eve started back then in the garden of Eden,they chose to set standards for themselves so their offspring must bear the burden of their blunders,that's why we're experiencing all of these. If you must know, it's both fornicators (unmarried adults having casual sex) and adulterers (married adults having extra marital affairs) including all illicit sex practicers that God is going to KILL! So instead concentrating on the blunders of my fellow man i'm engulfed in my plea before God to clean myself and not thinking about someone else just because man-made rules has taken such persons error seriously than mine. Before Jesus we're all walking copse unless those who repented completely and turn around to help other sinners to recover from bondage to sin, not thinking about how to judge others. Jesus approved that thief for a resurrection simply because he realized he's suffering for his errors,now supposing he was justifying himself in his heart saying "others had done worse than me and they're still walking freely" of course he won't humble himself to beg dying Jesus for anything! So keep making supplications for your souls to be saved from this crooked generation that's full of immortality,crimes and injustice.God bless you!

rottennaija:



So in other words, the organization of jw will continue to cover up child abuse. What steps are taken to protect other children when the accused has not confessed?

Hmmmmmmmmm you call that a "cover up"? Well i perceive a fair and just ground for all! Of course we're receiving timely instructions on how to protect ourselves and our children from those who can't control themselves,but at the same time we're all sinners so we pity and pray for anyone who's spirit is willing to put on the new personality so as to become a new creature but who's flesh is weak! Matthew 26:41compared to Romans 7:21-25 So my friend all of US are sinners and we're supposed to be killed but it's just the grace of God that has allowed US to be striving hard for our salvation,therefore whoever is winning the battle against the desires of the flesh shouldn't condemn others who are still lacking behind! Luke 22:31,32

Riofidelio:
Hmmmmmmmmm you call that a "cover up"? Well i perceive a fair and just ground for all! Of course we're receiving timely instructions on how to protect ourselves and our children from those who can't control themselves,but at the same time we're all sinners so we pity and pray for anyone who's spirit is willing to put on the new personality so as to become a new creature but who's flesh is weak! Matthew 26:41compared to Romans 7:21-25 So my friend all of US are sinners and we're supposed to be killed but it's just the grace of God that has allowed US to be striving hard for our salvation,therefore whoever is winning the battle against the desires of the flesh shouldn't condemn others who are still lacking behind! Luke 22:31,32

If this is rapist or a murderer or a pedophiles (someone that is likely to re-offend) in the community you live in, and the government know of it, would you want to know of it?

If you are not aware of it, how best can you protect yourself and your family?

Secondly, is there a difference between a sin and a crime?

rottennaija:



So in other words, the organization of jw will continue to cover up child abuse. What steps are taken to protect other children when the accused has not confessed?

Riofidelio's reply never implied by any stretch of your imagination that JWs covered up child abuse. No put words for him mouth,abegi. Pls go back to my previous posts, I've shared a link which is accessible to the public, that U can consult & see how such matters are dwelt with.

rottennaija:


Well, thank you for the long epistle. However, you are simple not said anything to set the record straight.

For the record, and for clarity purposes, how does watchtower direct elders to handle reported cases of pedophiles in the congregation?

What I actually expect is that you give a series of steps taken from when a report to made, the steps elders take to establish guilt, what do they expected from the accuser and the accused, etc.

JWs are transparent. Our procedures to handle these issues is in the public domain.
Pls go back to my previous posts & see the link I have shared. Everything is accessible on the JW official website. How many statutory rape cases where una pastorpreneur Daddy GO & Mummy G.O dey spoil young boys & girls & shag married women even inside una church rooms ,una done investigate & sanction them? Una done even forget the one wey wan give "robust reply"?
But, JW matter wan give una high BP. Shalom.

OneJ:

Riofidelio's reply never implied by any stretch of your imagination that JWs covered up child abuse. No put words for him mouth,abegi. Pls go back to my previous posts, I've shared a link which is accessible to the public, that U can consult & see how such matters are dwelt with.

I am discussing with someone that seems civilized and know how to respond without insulting. My question were for him not you.

Let him respond and I'll ask more. You can post the link here again which you said is in the public domain. You should post it again

Also, I don't talk about pastorpreneur Daddy GO & Mummy G.O. You wouldn't see me talk about them because I don't know them or their procedures.

Alway bringing it up every now and then is a distraction from what I am discussing. I would advise to focus on it than always trying to throw mud on others. You have enough in your plate already.

OneJ:

Riofidelio's reply never implied by any stretch of your imagination that JWs covered up child abuse. No put words for him mouth,abegi. Pls go back to my previous posts, I've shared a link which is accessible to the public, that U can consult & see how such matters are dwelt with.

My brother, i became one of Jehovah's witnesses not because they're perfect from human's standpoint but because the organization is strictly following the early Christians, so i'm always in support of the early Christians and any religious group that's following their footsteps. I'm sure there is no power of reasoning that surpasses that of those trained by Jesus Christ Himself, so my brother let's see who will condemn Jesus' ideas in a bid to rubbish those obeying His instructions.

rottennaija:


If this is rapist or a murderer or a pedophiles (someone that is likely to re-offend) in the community you live in, and the government know of it, would you want to know of it?

If you are not aware of it, how best can you protect yourself and your family?

Secondly, is there a difference between a sin and a crime?

Well it's humans that categorize evil deeds but before the true God there is sin and it's result is death! So if you must know Adam eat the forbidden fruit and many people thought he ONLY sinned whereas that single act sentenced all of US (including faithful and righteous people of old) to keep dying,otherwise we're supposed to be living forever under a perfect condition without thinking of growing old, getting sick or dying! So no matter what anyone of US commits now,call it crime,terrorism or holocaust is nothing compared to that single act committed by Adam! That's why God promised to forgive US no matter how weightier our sin(crime)Isaiah 1:18 and Jesus Christ (God's only begotten son) admonished us to forgive whoever sin against us so that we too can be forgiven of our sins no matter how weighty it is. Matthew 6:14,15 Sorry,God is not interested in your crime because before HIM you're just mere dust. Psalms 103:14 So all HE is demanding from you is repentance so that you can live forever because that's HIS original motive for creating US in HIS image and made US to love living as long as we're healthy and satisfied! Ecclesiastes 3:11

Riofidelio:
Well it's humans that categorize evil deeds but before the true God there is sin and it's result is death! So if you must know Adam eat the forbidden fruit and many people thought he ONLY sinned whereas that single act sentenced all of US (including faithful and righteous people of old) to keep dying,otherwise we're supposed to be living forever under a perfect condition without thinking of growing old, getting sick or dying! So no matter what anyone of US commits now,call it crime,terrorism or holocaust is nothing compared to that single act committed by Adam! That's why God promised to forgive US no matter how weightier our sin(crime)Isaiah 1:18 and Jesus Christ (God's only begotten son) admonished us to forgive whoever sin against us so that we too can be forgiven of our sins no matter how weighty it is. Matthew 6:14,15 Sorry,God is not interested in your crime because before HIM you're just mere dust. Psalms 103:14 So all HE is demanding from you is repentance so that you can live forever because that's HIS original motive for creating US in HIS image and made US to love living as long as we're healthy and satisfied! Ecclesiastes 3:11

It's funny how you skirt around the question without actually answering it. The person that is unaware would think you have touch the question or have attempted answering it. Anyway, I am not surprised, it's a typical watchtower practice.


Another question for you..

If there is a breakin into a Kingdom hall or any watchtower properties, do you call the authorities?

Riofidelio:
Well it's humans that categorize evil deeds but before the true God there is sin and it's result is death! So if you must know Adam eat the forbidden fruit and many people thought he ONLY sinned whereas that single act sentenced all of US (including faithful and righteous people of old) to keep dying,otherwise we're supposed to be living forever under a perfect condition without thinking of growing old, getting sick or dying! So no matter what anyone of US commits now,call it crime,terrorism or holocaust is nothing compared to that single act committed by Adam! That's why God promised to forgive US no matter how weightier our sin(crime)Isaiah 1:18 and Jesus Christ (God's only begotten son) admonished us to forgive whoever sin against us so that we too can be forgiven of our sins no matter how weighty it is. Matthew 6:14,15 Sorry,God is not interested in your crime because before HIM you're just mere dust. Psalms 103:14 So all HE is demanding from you is repentance so that you can live forever because that's HIS original motive for creating US in HIS image and made US to love living as long as we're healthy and satisfied! Ecclesiastes 3:11

So that's why you keep pedophilles and rapists hidden in the family than reporting them to police. Your God is interested in acceptance of blood transfusion in fact you say your jehovah detests it while he isn't involved in real life crimes committed by criminals. Your jehovah is a dumbass

rottennaija:


It's funny how you skirt around the question without actually answering it. The person that is unaware would think you have touch the question or have attempted answering it. Anyway, I am not surprised, it's a typical watchtower practice.


Another question for you..

If there is a breakin into a Kingdom hall or any watchtower properties, do you call the authorities?

If you're so sure that watchtower students will never "touch your question or attempted answering it" please Sir why then are you asking further questions? Well i'm a follower of that young man from Nazareth who always leave those whose minds are already battle prepared against Him in suspense,so if we're not getting anywhere with the discussion it's better to drop unnecessary arguments so that you can go and talk to other religious groups.Thanks it's a pleasure chatting with you sir good night and God bless you!