dyydxx:


The fact she applied for an exemption certificate when she's not qualified already means she is guilty. There is no other way to look at it. Ignorance of the Law is no excuse. If she truly applied for an exemption?... on what basis? she doesn't qualifiy... that means she was trying to game the system

If some criminal elements in NYSC gave her a genuine exemption certificate albeit illegally, It means the Agency is stained and the exemption certificate should be withdraw forthwith. Eitherway, it still doesn't look good on her credibility....parading an illegal certificate around.

NOETHNICITY:
This kemi's NYSC hasn't stopped me from crushing on her

geometricaxis:


read what i wrote again:

If she applied legitimately and the legal body responsible granted heran excemption, she is free of blame....blame the incompetence (or corruption) at NYSC

However, she worked in Nigeria between 2000 and 2009 as a managing director of a finacial institution WITHOUT either a discharge or exemption certificate. That is where she is guilty, this is where she has commited a crime.

Al capone wasnt convicted of murder, running a mob trafficking etc, he was convicted of tax evasion.

if you took Kemi to court on the basis of her illegal excemption, you will lose, because it was granted by a government agency responsible for granting excemptions. She applied and she was granted...you cant fault her for that.

If you sue her for working in Nigeria for 8 years without a valid certificate, then she would be found guilty.

skales67:

Forget her face and bogus grammar! That woman puna dey smell like rotten fish!
If you know...you know

dyydxx:


It can be withdrawn especially as it has been made manifest that even though the government agency gave her she got it under false pretenses. We can say lack of due diligence or corruption/bribery made her get it, if that is the case she might be blameless but it still doesn't change the fact she's parading an illegal certificate so she can't win a court case on it. There are no grounds for her getting it in the first place, so even if she maybe blameless(and this is a best case scenario) the certificate itself is still illegal and should be withdrawn.

skales67:


Forget her face and bogus grammar! That woman puna dey smell like rotten fish!

If you know...you know

dyydxx:


The fact she applied for an exemption certificate when she's not qualified already means she is guilty. There is no other way to look at it. Ignorance of the Law is no excuse. If she truly applied for an exemption?... on what basis? she doesn't qualifiy... that means she was trying to game the system

If some criminal elements in NYSC gave her a genuine exemption certificate albeit illegally, It means the Agency is stained and the exemption certificate should be withdraw forthwith. Eitherway, it still doesn't look good on her credibility....parading an illegal certificate around.

dyydxx:


The fact she applied for an exemption certificate when she's not qualified already means she is guilty. There is no other way to look at it. Ignorance of the Law is no excuse. If she truly applied for an exemption?... on what basis? she doesn't qualifiy... that means she was trying to game the system

If some criminal elements in NYSC gave her a genuine exemption certificate albeit illegally, It means the Agency is stained and the exemption certificate should be withdraw forthwith. Eitherway, it still doesn't look good on her credibility....parading an illegal certificate around.

geometricaxis:


please argue with sense not emotion. I am on your side but be logical in your arguments, argue what you can prove and is logical under the law. There is nothing to suggest false pretense under the law.

She applied which is her right as a citizen (NYSC have publicly acknowledged she applied) and it was granted (unless they come out and say it was forged) and it was granted. As far as the law is concerned she has a legal document until it is withdrawn. NYSC can decide it was granted in error and revoke it but until then it is a legal document duly granted and signed by the body responsible for issuing it.

Like I said focus on 2000-2009 when she worked without having NYSc papers, that is where her crime was committed, that is what you should focus your energies on as this Certificate thing is dead on arrival.

abes:


Here a link to NYSC decree, please quote a section that makes her illegible to apply for exemption certificate..

https://www.nysc.gov.ng/downloads/nysc-decree.php

PaChukwudi44:


Bunch of hypocrites.I will note all this monikers and call you hypocrites out any day i see you making any comment about kwarapshun

dyydxx:


In accordance with the National Youth Service Corps Decree 1993 section 2 subsection (1) it is stipulated that;


"With effect from 1st August, 1985, a person shall NOT be called upon to serve in the service corps if, at the date of graduation or obtaining his diploma or other professional qualification" :


He is over the age of thirty (30) years

geometricaxis:


Nigerians should stop arguing with emotion and try and be logical and sensible. I applied to the the legal body responsible for granting exemptions and they gave me in error (lets say it was in error) until they revoke it, my certificate is legal and I cannot be blamed except you can prove that I bribed someone to obtain it.

A nigerian passport is valid for 5 years, if for some reason i apply for a passport and they make a mistake and put 10 years on it, do you think any country will turn me back at their border? NO!!! because the document has the the legal backing of the GOVERNMENT AGENCY established by law to issue such documents. Their incompetence is not my problem and I cannot be held responsible for their error. In fact technically speaking it we were in a civilised society Kemi could sue for the distress and damage to reputation caused by the govt incompetence in granting her an excemption she wasnt entitled to. yes beleive it or not!!!!!

if youve ever lived abroad youll know the importance and legal backing behind of a govt issued document. it's only in this country that we do anyhow and people start arguing emotionally. Its only in this country that a govt agency will give you license plates and another will be asking for costums duty. legally I have license plates it is implied I have paid duty.

dyydxx:


It's all logical my bro. NYSC has acknowledged she applied, they haven't said whether it was granted. They were curiously silent on that(and for good reason too). For argument sake, let's assume she was indeed granted.

If NYSC is indicted(which is even worse) then an accounting has to be made on how such an error occurred and someone must take the fall. It is very unlikely that this was just a lack of due diligence error. That's where other secrets such as how the bribery occured might surfaces. If this is the case, this is proof of Intent. Solid Proof.

Even if she just tried her luck and applied and got so extremely lucky to get the certificate, the process is an illegality. You can't build on an illegality. She can be challenged to lose that certificate if she got it that way in a court of Law of competent jurisdiction and she will lose. Not prosecuted for any crimes, I mean challenged to get the certificate revoked. So eitherway, she's still dented by this.

I do agree though since we are fantastically corrupt in this country, it may be swept under the carpet and Mr Anti Corruption himself with turn a blind eye.

famosh:

And what does section 17 of the same NYSC act say?
Na people like una go dey pick one verse of Bible to drive home their bias instead of reading the entire chapter to get the real message! Nawa!

dyydxx:


Oga have you seen the purported exemption certificate? she was granted on the grounds of AGE and soley AGE. I am aware of other means to being exempted but she wasn't given by other means...If she was please state it. Dont try to be clever by half

abes:


Is this your evidence her certificate is forged?

geometricaxis:



There is no basis for the exemption. So it should be revoked. However until it is revoked it remains valid. However my contention is that no court of law will find her guilty for obtaining an exemption through the official channels. My contention is that as the person incharge of the countrys finances, the focus should be on the years she worked illegally without an exemption or a discharge certificate as that shows a propensity for criminality.

famosh:


Boy, so you wanted them to type a whole booklet full of reasons why she was granted based on age inside the same small certificate, ba?
If the NYSC is granting her exemption based on the fact that she returned to Nigeria for the first time at over 30 years of age, what reason do you want them to type in the exemption certificate THAT THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO GIVE HER OR ANYONE ELSE BASED ON WHATEVER REASON THEY DEEM FIT?

dyydxx:


I agree with you and you are right.

This is the reason why many think it is forged, it seems almost unreal for her to truly get it through the official channels as there is clearly no basis for it. This is the main reason why it is strongly believed to have been forged. But this is Nigeria, anything is possible

On the propensity for criminality, that's up to MR Anti corruption to fire her even for her illegal working from 2000-2009 but he himself has some issues with showing us his certificates so nothing may come of it

geometricaxis:


Nigerians should stop arguing with emotion and try and be logical and sensible. I applied to the the legal body responsible for granting exemptions and they gave me in error (lets say it was in error) until they revoke it, my certificate is legal and I cannot be blamed except you can prove that I bribed someone to obtain it.

A nigerian passport is valid for 5 years, if for some reason i apply for a passport and they make a mistake and put 10 years on it, do you think any country will turn me back at their border? NO!!! because the document has the the legal backing of the GOVERNMENT AGENCY established by law to issue such documents. Their incompetence is not my problem and I cannot be held responsible for their error. In fact technically speaking it we were in a civilised society Kemi could sue for the distress and damage to reputation caused by the govt incompetence in granting her an excemption she wasnt entitled to. yes beleive it or not!!!!!

if youve ever lived abroad youll know the importance and legal backing behind of a govt issued document. it's only in this country that we do anyhow and people start arguing emotionally. Its only in this country that a govt agency will give you license plates and another will be asking for costums duty. legally I have license plates it is implied I have paid duty.

geometricaxis:



There is no basis for the exemption. So it should be revoked. However until it is revoked it remains valid. However my contention is that no court of law will find her guilty for obtaining an exemption through the official channels. My contention is that as the person incharge of the countrys finances, the focus should be on the years she worked illegally without an exemption or a discharge certificate as that shows a propensity for criminality.

dyydxx:


You are not making any sense. Conditions for granting exemptions are clearly stated. NYSC DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO GIVE HER OR ANYONE ELSE BASED ON WHATEVER REASON THEY DEEM FIT. That is why there are laws and Acts to guide issuance.

geometricaxis:
The more I think about this, the more I realise we are focusing on the wrong things:

1. NYSC has acknowledged that she indeed applied for an excemption certificate.
2. The certificate on display is indeed an excemption certificate. As for the dates and the dead Director, somebody here who actually served has said the dates on his certificate show the same anomallyi.e signed by the director who had already left office on the date of his discharge, so it seems the practice at the NYSC is to sign them in bulk before hand.
3. If I applied for an excemption certificate, why would I then go ahead and forge one when we know that worst case scenario there are many ways to serve without actually serving? it looks to me that she was indeed granted an excemption.
4. The real question is why did NYSC grant her an exemption if she wasnt entitled to an exemption? (ofcourse we know)

5. if I applied to the body that grants excemption and they give me one that's not my headache, question the person who gave me the excemption that I wasnt entitled to!!!

For me this is another example of a collapse of our institutions.


I suspect the certificate is real though it should never have been issued. For me Kemi Adeosuns crime is that according to evidence tendered herself,she worked in Nigeria as managing director of Chapel Hill between 2000 and 2008 without a valid NYSC discharge or exemption certificate.

I suspect she only bothered to regularise her NYSC status because she was appointed commissioner in Ogun state in 2009...which is when the certificate was issued.

Theonlycoolmonk:


Don't be so sure about her not getting an indictment. Being in possession of government certificate that you are not entitled to is an offence. If you are not entitled to have then you can never be in possession of it through the proper channel. The "proper channel" specifies being over 30 at graduation and if it was issued to you when you were not then it was obtained via "proper channel". The prosecutor may claim collusion between Kemi and whoever issued it in NYSC (because at this point the only way she could have obtained it without meeting the requirement was to collude with an official)

geometricaxis:


absolute nonsense

geometricaxis:


absolute nonsense. Please my fellow Nigerians try to show you have put some thought into what you post, show that you are capable of analytic reasoning.

Presecutor can claim all he wants, he can only get a conviction for what he can prove. To prove collusion you must provide the party to the collusion and proof that a bribe was given/obtained...good luck with that.

geometricaxis:


Secondly there are many ways she could have obtained it without colusion, oversight being one of them. I hope you can now see how your case is dead before water and why many Nigerian high profile trials fail...emotional people rushing to court without evidence/legal argument that will stand scrutiny in a court.

dyydxx:


In accordance with the National Youth Service Corps Decree 1993 section 2 subsection (1) it is stipulated that;


"With effect from 1st August, 1985, a person shall NOT be called upon to serve in the service corps if, at the date of graduation or obtaining his diploma or other professional qualification" :


He is over the age of thirty (30) years

Theonlycoolmonk:


I supposed we were sharing our opinions on the matter in a civil way. In line with that would mind giving your opinion on why you think my position on the matter doesn't hold water.