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Re: Human Beings Are Born Sinners by estheragha: 10:20am On Nov 21, 2018
When we realize our sins and the inability to live by His Law, then what do we do? Do we try to become complete beings on our own ? No. We must admit that we are sinners, believe in Jesus, be redeemed through His salvation of the water and the Spirit and thank Him.

THE REASON HE GAVE US THE LAW WAS TO MAKE US ACKNOWLEDGE OUR SINS AND KNOW THE PUNISHMENTS FOR THOSE SINS. Hence, we would recognize the impossibility of being saved from hell without Jesus. If we believe in Jesus as our Savior, we will be redeemed. He gave us the Law to lead us to the Savior Jesus. God created the Law to make us realize how completely sinful we are and to save our souls from such sin. He gave us the Law and sent His only begotten Son, Jesus, to save us by taking all our sins through His baptism. Believing in Him can save us.

We are hopeless sinners who must believe in Jesus to be freed from sin, become s His children and return all the glory to God. We should understand, think and judge through His Word because everything originates from Him. We must also comprehend the truth of redemption through His Word. This is the right and true faith.
Re: Human Beings Are Born Sinners by theoriginalgood: 5:36pm On Nov 21, 2018
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Re: Human Beings Are Born Sinners by estheragha: 10:10am On Nov 22, 2018
WHAT ’S IN THE HEART OF A HUMAN BEING ?

What should we do before God? We should admit our sins and ask God to save us. Faith should start with God’s Word and we should believe in Him through His Word. If not, we will fall into error. That would be the wrong and untrue faith.

When the Pharisees and the scribes saw Jesus’ disciples eating bread with dirty hands, they couldn’t have reproved them if they had looked at it from the viewpoint of God’s Word. The Word tells us that whatever enters a person from the outside cannot defile him/her because it goes through the stomach and exits the body, not affecting heart.

As it is said in Mark 7:20-23, “And He said, ‘What comes out of a man, that defiles a man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, licentiousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within and defile a man.’” Jesus said that people are sinners because they are born with sin. Do you understand what this means?

We are born as sinners because we are all Adam’s descendants. But we cannot see the truth because we neither accept nor believe in all of His Words.
Re: Human Beings Are Born Sinners by estheragha: 8:33am On Nov 26, 2018
Then, what is inside a human heart? The above passage states, “For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, licentiousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness.” All kinds of evils come out of people’s hearts and defile them.

It is recorded in Psalms, “When I consider Your heavens, the work of Your fingers, the moon and the stars, which You have ordained, What is man that You are mindful of him, and the son of man that You visit him?” (Psalms 8:3-4) Why does God Himself visit us? He visits us because He loves us, created us and took pity on us sinners. He blotted out all our sins and made us His people. “O Lord, our Lord, How excellent is Your name in all the earth, Heavens!” King David sang this psalm in the Old Testament when he realized that God would become the Savior of sinners.

In the New Testament, the Apostle Paul repeated the same psalm. It is such an amazing thing that we, God’s creations, can become the children of the Creator. It is done only through His compassion for us. This is the love of God. We should recognize that trying to completely live by the Law of God is an audacious challenge to Him. It is also an ARROGANT orientation that comes out of our ignorance. IT IS NOT RIGHT to LIVE OUTSIDE HIS LOVE WHILE STRUGGLING to KEEP THE LAW FOR ONESELF AND PRAY DESPERATELY FOR SUCH a LIFE.

It is God’s will that we should realize ourselves as sinners under the Law and believe in the redemption of the water and the blood of Jesus.

Re: Human Beings Are Born Sinners by estheragha: 8:25am On Nov 28, 2018
His Word is written in Mark 7:20-23, “What comes out of a man, that defiles a man. For from within out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, licentiousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within and defile a man.”


JESUS SAID THAT WHAT COMES OUT OF A HUMAN BEING, THE SINS WITHIN, DEFILES HIM/HER. Even the unclean food that God gives cannot defile us. All creations are clean, but only the things that come out of human beings, that is, the sins, defile us. We are all born descendants of Adam. So, with what are we born? We are born with twelve kinds of sins. Is this not right? Then, can we live without committing sins? We will continue to sin for we are born with sin. CAN WE STOP SINNING JUST BECAUSE WE KNOW THE LAW? Can we live by the commandments? No. The more we try to live by the Law, the harder it becomes.

We should realize our limitations and give up our past orientations. Then, with humble minds, we can accept the baptism and blood of Jesus, which save us. All 613 articles of the Law are good and just. But people are sinners from the time they are conceived in their mothers’ wombs. When we realize that the Law of God is right, but that we are born as sinners who can never become righteous by ourselves, we come to realize that we need the merciful compassion of God and the redemption of Jesus in the gospel of the water, the blood and the Spirit.

When we REALISE OUR LIMITATIONS —that we cannot become righteous by ourselves and we will go to hell for our sins—we cannot but rely on the redemption of Jesus.
Re: Human Beings Are Born Sinners by estheragha: 3:47pm On Dec 02, 2018
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Re: Human Beings Are Born Sinners by estheragha: 12:09pm On Dec 04, 2018
We can be delivered. We should know that we are unable to be right or good before God by ourselves. Therefore, we should admit before God that we are sinners who are destined to hell and we can pray for His compassion, “God, please save me from my sins and take pity on me.” Then, God will surely meet us in His Word. In this way, we can be delivered.

Let’s see the prayer of David. “That You may be found just when You speak, And blameless when You judge” (Psalms 51:4). David knew that he was a mass of sin that was evil enough to be thrown into hell, but he admitted before God, “Lord, if You call me a sinner, I am a sinner. If You call me righteous, I am righteous. If You save me, I will be saved; and if You send me to hell, I will end up in hell.” This is the correct faith and the way to be saved. This is how we should be if we hope to believe in the redemption of Jesus.
Re: Human Beings Are Born Sinners by estheragha: 7:56pm On Dec 07, 2018
WE SHOULD KNOW EXACTLY WHAT OUR SINS ARE

Since we are all descendants of Adam, we all have lusts in our hearts. However, what does God tell us? He tells us not to commit adultery even though we have adultery in our hearts. We have murder in our hearts, but what does God tell us? He tells us not to kill. We all defy our parents in our hearts, but He tells us to honor them. We should realize that His Word is right and good, but we all have sin in our hearts. Is this correct or not? It is absolutely correct. Therefore, what must we do before God? We have to admit that we all are masses of sin and hopeless sinners.

It is not right to think that we were righteous yesterday because we did not sin yesterday, but are sinners today because we have committed sins today. We are born as sinners. Whatever we do, we will still be sinners. This is why we should be redeemed through faith in the baptism of Jesus. We are not sinners because of our deeds: such as committing adultery, murder, theft, adultery...but we are sinners because we were born as sinners. We were born with twelve kinds of sins and since we are born as sinners in the eyes of God, we can never become good by our own efforts. We can only pretend to be good.
Re: Human Beings Are Born Sinners by estheragha: 10:34am On Dec 15, 2018
WE ARE BORN WITH SINFUL MINDS, so how can we be righteous even if we don’t actually commit these sins? We can never be righteous before God by ourselves. If we claim to be righteous on our own, it is HYPOCRISY. Jesus called the Pharisees and the scribes ‘the hypocritical Pharisees and scribes.’ Humans are born as sinners and they sin before God throughout all their lives.

Anyone claiming that he/she has neither fought nor hit anyone or stolen even a needle from anyone in all his/her life is lying because humans are born as sinners. That person is a liar, a sinner and a hypocrite. This is how God sees him/her. Every one is a sinner from his/her birth. Even if you don’t commit a single sinful act, you are destined for hell. Even if you have kept most of the Law and commandments, you are still a sinner destined to go to hell.

Then, what should we do with such destinies? We must ask for God’s compassion and depend on Him to be saved from our sins. If He doesn’t save us, then we will go to hell. That is our destiny. Only those who accept God’s Word admit that they were indeed sinners. They also know that they become righteous ONLY by faith. So, they know that ignoring and laying aside His Word without recognizing it is the most serious sin. Those who accept His Word are righteous, even though they were previously sinners. They were born again of His Word in His grace and are the most blessed.

Re: Human Beings Are Born Sinners by estheragha: 9:36pm On Dec 17, 2018
THOSE WHO TRY TO BE REDEEMED THROUGH THEIR WORKS ARE STILL SINNERS

Who are still sinners even after their believing in Jesus? Those who try to be redeemed through their works. Let’s read Galatians 3:10 and 11. “For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written: ‘Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.’ But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for ‘The Just shall live by faith.’” It is said, “…everyone who does not continue in all things that are written in the book of the law is cursed.” Those who think they believe in Jesus, yet try to be justified by their works are cursed.

Where are those who try to be justified by their works? They are under the curse of God. Why did God give us the Law? He gave us the Law so that we may realize our sins (Romans 3:20). He also wanted us to know that we are complete sinners who are destined for hell. Believe in the baptism of Jesus, the Son of God, and be born again of water and the Spirit. Then, you will be saved from your sins, become righteous, have eternal life and go to heaven. Have faith in your hearts.
Re: Human Beings Are Born Sinners by estheragha: 8:29am On Dec 19, 2018
The Most Arrogant Sin in the World

What’s the most ARROGANT SIN in the world? TO TRY TO LIVE BY THE LAW .

We are blessed by having faith in His blessing. God saves those who have faith in His Word. But today, among believers, there are many Christians who try to live by His Law. It is commendable that they try to live by the Law, but how is it possible? We must realize how foolish it is to try to live up to His Law. The more we try, the harder it becomes. He said, “Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.” We need to cast off our arrogance in order to be saved.
Re: Human Beings Are Born Sinners by estheragha: 2:58pm On Dec 22, 2018
WE HAVE TO GIVE UP OUR OWN STANDARDS TO BE SAVED

What do we have to do to be saved? We must give up our own standards. How can a person be saved? It is possible only when he/she recognizes himself/herself to be a sinner. There are many who have not yet been redeemed because they cannot give up their WRONG BELIEFS AND EFFORTS.


God says that those who clench onto the Law are CURSED. Those who believe that they may gradually become righteous by trying to live up to the Law after believing in Jesus are cursed. They believe in God, but they still think that they have to live according to the Law to be saved.

Dear friends, CAN WE BECOME RIGHTEOUS THROUGH OUR WORKS? We become righteous ONLY by believing in the Word of Jesus; and only then are we redeemed. Only by having faith in the BAPTISM of Jesus, His BLOOD, and His GODHEAD, are we redeemed. That is why God has prepared the law of faith for us as a way to become righteous. The redemption of the water and the Spirit does not lie in the works of people, but in the faith in the Word of God. God delivered us through faith and that is how God planned and completed our salvation.
Re: Human Beings Are Born Sinners by estheragha: 11:35am On Dec 24, 2018
Why were those who believed in Jesus not redeemed? Because they did not accept the word of the redemption of the water and the Spirit. But we, who are as imperfect as they were, have been redeemed through our faiths in the Word of God. If two people were to work on a grindstone, the one left behind would keep on working, even after the other person is taken up. The one who is left behind represents one who has not yet been redeemed. Why was one taken and the other left behind?

The reason is because one listened and believed in the Word of God, but the other worked hard to keep the Law and was eventually cast down into hell. That person was trying to crawl up to God, but God shook him off, as if he/she were a bug crawling up His leg. If a person tries to crawl up to God by trying to keep the Law, he/she will surely be thrown into hell. That is why we have to be redeemed by faith in the water and the Spirit.

“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, ‘Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them,’” “But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for ‘The just shall live by faith’” (Galatians 3:10-11, Romans 1:17).
Re: Human Beings Are Born Sinners by estheragha: 12:51pm On Dec 27, 2018
Not believing in the Word of God is a sin before Him. In addition, it is also a sin to lay aside God’s Word according to one’s own standards. We human beings cannot live by His Law because we are all born as sinners and continue to sin all our lives. We sin a little here, a little there, and everywhere we go. We have to realize that we are of the flesh and cannot help but to sin.

A human being is like a big bucket of manure. If we try to carry it around, it will splatter all along the way. We are like that. We keep spilling sin everywhere we go. Can you picture it? WOULD YOU STILL PRETEND THAT YOU WERE HOLY? If you were clearly aware of yourself, you would give up trying in VAIN to be holy and believe in the water and the blood of Jesus. Those who are not yet born again need to cast off their stubbornness and admit that they are grave sinners before God. Then, they must return to His Word and discover how He saved them with the water and the Spirit
Re: Human Beings Are Born Sinners by estheragha: 9:59pm On Dec 29, 2018
Mark 7:20-23 > “And He said, ‘What comes out of a man, that defiles a man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, licentiousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within and defile a man.’”

PEOPLE ARE CONFUSED AND LIVE UNDER THEIR OWN ILLUSIONS

Who is most likely to be saved? It is he who thinks himself to be the worst sinner !


First of all, I would like to ask you a question. How do you see yourself? Do you think you are GOOD or BAD? What do you think? All people live under their own illusions. You may not be as bad as you think, nor quite as good as you think. Who, then, do you think will lead a better life of faith? Will it be one who thinks of himself/herself as good? Or one who thinks of himself/herself as bad? It is the LATTER.
Re: Human Beings Are Born Sinners by estheragha: 4:26pm On Dec 30, 2018
Let me ask you another question. Who is more likely to be redeemed—the one who has committed more sins or the one who has committed only a few sins? The one who admits that he/she has committed countless sins is more likely to be redeemed because the person accepts that he/she is a grave sinner. Such a person can better accept the Word of redemption prepared for him/her by Jesus.

When we really look at ourselves, it is evident that we are merely masses of sin. What are human beings? A PERSON IS ONLY ‘A SEED OF EVILDOERS.’ In Isaiah 59, it states that there are all kinds of iniquities in the hearts of people. Therefore, it is clear that people are masses of sin. However, if we define humankind as a mass of sin, many will disagree.

But, defining a person as ‘a seed of evildoers’ is the correct definition. If we honestly look at ourselves, it is clearly obvious that we are evil beings. THOSE WHO ARE HONEST WITH THEMSELVES MUST ARRIVE AT THIS VERY SAME CONCLUSION. But, it seems that most people refuse to admit that they are indeed masses of sin. Many live comfortably because they do not consider themselves as sinners
Re: Human Beings Are Born Sinners by estheragha: 7:43pm On Dec 31, 2018
SINCE WE ARE EVILDOERS , WE HAVE CREATED A SINFUL CIVILIZATION. If it were not true, we would be too ashamed to sin. However, many of us do not feel ashamed while committing sins. Nevertheless, their consciences know. Everyone has a conscience that tells him/her, “It is shameful.”

Adam and Eve hid themselves among the trees after they had sinned. Today, many sinners hide themselves behind our vile culture—our culture of sin. They hide themselves among their fellow sinners to avoid the judgment of God. People are deceived by their own illusions. They think themselves to be more virtuous than others. So, when they hear about some bad news, they cry out in rage, “How can a person do such things? How can a man do that? How can a son do that to his own parents?” They themselves believe that they would not do such things.

Dear friends, it is so hard for you to know yourselves. In order to truly know ourselves, we must first receive the remission of sins. It takes a long time for us to obtain the correct knowledge on our human nature, and there are so many of us who will never find this out until the day they die.
Re: Human Beings Are Born Sinners by estheragha: 3:57pm On Jan 02, 2019
KNOW YOURSELF

How do those who don’t know themselves live? They live hypocritical lives trying to Hide their sinful selves.


Sometimes we come to encounter such people who really don’t know themselves. Socrates said, “Know yourself.” However, most of us do not know what is in our hearts: murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, licentiousness, an evil eye.... One who doesn’t know oneself has the venom of a serpent on his/her lips but speaks of goodness.

The reason for this is because the person doesn’t know that he/she was born as an INEVITABLE SINNER. There are so many in this world who do not know their true natures. They have deceived themselves and end up living their lives completely wrapped up in their own deceptions. They do not understand that they are throwing themselves into hell because of their self–deceptions.
Re: Human Beings Are Born Sinners by estheragha: 7:25pm On Jan 04, 2019
PEOPLE SPILL SIN CONTINUOUSLY ALL THEIR LIVES

Why are they going to hell? Because they don’t know themselves.

Let’s look at Mark 7:21-23. “For from WITHIN, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, licentiousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within and defile a man.” The hearts of people are filled with evil thoughts from the day they are conceived.

Let us just imagine that a person’s heart is made of glass and filled to the brim with some filthy liquid, namely, our sins. What would happen if this person moved back and forth? The filthy liquid (sin) would of course spill everywhere. As the person moves about, sin would repeatedly spill all over the place. We, who are but masses of sin, live out our lives just like that. We spill sin wherever we go. We will sin throughout our lives because we are masses of sin.

The problem is that we do not realize that we are masses of sin, or in other words, the seeds of sin. We are masses of sin and have sin in our hearts from the day of our births. The masses of sin are ready to overflow. However, people do not believe that they are, in fact, inherently sinful. They think that others lead them into sin and therefore, they aren’t the ones who are bad.
Re: Human Beings Are Born Sinners by estheragha: 10:46am On Jan 07, 2019
Even while committing sins, people think that the only requirement needed to wash themselves clean again is for sin to be expunged. They keep wiping up after themselves every time they sin, telling themselves that it is not their own faults.

Just because we clean up after ourselves, does it mean that it’s okay to keep on spilling? We would have to continually wipe up over and over again. When a glass is full of sin, it will keep on spilling. There is no use in wiping up the outside. No matter how often we wipe the outside with our virtuous deeds, IT IS USELESS, as long as the glass full of sin. We are born with so much sin that our hearts will never become empty; no matter how much sin we spill along the way. Therefore, we commit sins throughout our lives. When someone does not realize that he/she is indeed just a mass of sin, he/she continues to hide his/her sinful nature.

SIN IS IN THE HEARTS OF ALL PEOPLE AND IT DOES NOT GO AWAY BY WIPING THE SURFACE CLEAN. When we spill a little sin, we wipe it up with cloth and when we spill again, we wipe it up with a mop…a towel and then a rug.... We keep hoping that if we just keep wiping up the mess over and over again, it will be clean, but it simply spills again and again. How long do you think this will go on? It goes on until the day a person dies. People act sinfully until their dying days. This is why we have to believe in Jesus to be redeemed. TO BE REDEEMED, WE NEED TO FIRST KNOW OURSELVES.
Re: Human Beings Are Born Sinners by estheragha: 5:48am On Mar 11, 2019
Isaiah 64:6 But we are all like an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are like filthy rags; we all fade as a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

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Re: Human Beings Are Born Sinners by estheragha: 12:10am On Jun 18, 2019
And let him who thirsts come. And whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely. " (Revelation 22:17)

Re: Human Beings Are Born Sinners by estheragha: 11:55pm On Jun 16, 2022
Indeed!

Re: Human Beings Are Born Sinners by Kobojunkie: 1:38am On Jun 17, 2022
estheragha:
KNOW YOURSELF
How do those who don’t know themselves live? They live hypocritical lives trying to Hide their sinful selves.


Sometimes we come to encounter such people who really don’t know themselves. Socrates said, “Know yourself.” However, most of us do not know what is in our hearts: murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, licentiousness, an evil eye.... One who doesn’t know oneself has the venom of a serpent on his/her lips but speaks of goodness.

The reason for this is because the person doesn’t know that he/she was born as an INEVITABLE SINNER. There are so many in this world who do not know their true natures. They have deceived themselves and end up living their lives completely wrapped up in their own deceptions. They do not understand that they are throwing themselves into hell because of their self–deceptions.
This belief is not scriptural as sin is instead transgression/disobedience of God's Law/commandments. Those born of Gentiles are born unbound to God's Law meaning they have no way of transgression Law which is not available to them by birth, it is unscriptural to claim they are born sinners from birth. undecided

Now, though not born sinners, they are however born cursed by God aka of this world(unholy) and so not of God as result. Meaning each person is born a son of man and would need to make the decision to seek God and His Kingdom(and righteousness) through Jesus Christ, God's New Covenant Law and Truth in the Kingdom of God. undecided
Re: Human Beings Are Born Sinners by estheragha: 5:06pm On Jun 17, 2022
Kobojunkie:
This belief is not scriptural as sin is instead transgression/disobedience of God's Law/commandments. Those born of Gentiles are born unbound to God's Law meaning they have no way of transgression Law which is not available to them by birth, it is unscriptural to claim they are born sinners from birth. undecided

Now, though not born sinners, they are however born cursed by God aka of this world(unholy) and so not of God as result. Meaning each person is born a son of man and would need to make the decision to seek God and His Kingdom(and righteousness) through Jesus Christ, God's New Covenant Law and Truth in the Kingdom of God. undecided


Psalms 51:5
Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.

Human indeed are conceived and born as defiled/ unclean sinners with 12 kinds of sin already existing in their hearts.

Mark 7:20-23 > “And He said, ‘What comes out of a man, that defiles a man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, licentiousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within and defile a man.’”
Re: Human Beings Are Born Sinners by Kobojunkie: 5:45pm On Jun 17, 2022
estheragha:
1) Psalms 51:5
Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.

2. Human indeed are conceived and born as defiled/ unclean sinners with 12 kinds of sin already existing in their hearts.

3. Mark 7:20-23 > “And He said, ‘What comes out of a man, that defiles a man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, licentiousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within and defile a man.’”
1. David was born a Jew, bound to God's Old Covenant and Constitution to the Nation of Israel in the Land of Israel, so he was a subject to God's Law from his birth, unlike Gentiles who are not born bound to any of God's Law and hence unable to transgress a Law they are not under.
Kobojunkie:
This belief is not scriptural as sin is instead transgression/disobedience of God's Law/commandments. Those born of Gentiles are born unbound to God's Law meaning they have no way of transgression Law which is not available to them by birth, it is unscriptural to claim they are born sinners from birth. undecided

1a. Now if we are to process what David said in Psalms 51 vs 5 there to mean that all Jews are born sinners from their birth, then what you are insinuating is that even Jesus Christ was Himself born a sinners hence the many accounts, even by the prophets, that He did not sin, are nothing but lies. So, was David speaking of something else entirely or are all Jews Born sinners under God’s Old Covenant Law? undecided

1b. Something else to consider is what God said of sinners in Ezekiel 18 vs 1 - 33 and Ezekiel 33 vs 9 - 20, " The soul that sins must die...". Nowhere in all that passage did God suggest sin had to do with being born. Instead, God clearly associated sinning with transgressing of His direct commandments and statutes to the people. So, if we are to assume Jewish children born sinners in to this world, then what law do we directly transgress by being born? undecided


2. God's Law, Jesus Christ, applies only to those who believe in Jesus Christ. Those who don't believe in Jesus Christ are not bound by anything Jesus Christ decreed or commanded this since Jesus Christ taught and spoke to those who belonged to the Kingdom of God aka those who are born-again - John 3 vs 5 - 8. So, my question here to you is, are babies concerned born-again from their mother's womb? undecided

Jesus Christ already gave you the answer in John 3 vs 5 - 8 but I am interested in what you have to say. undecided
Re: Human Beings Are Born Sinners by Kobojunkie: 6:14pm On Jun 17, 2022
estheragha:
< Romans 10:17-18 > "So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. But I say, HAVE THEY NOT HEARD? Yes indeed: ‘THEIR SOUND HAS GONE OUT TO ALL THE EARTH, And THEIR WORDS TO THE ENDS OF THE WORLD.’

"For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without EXCUSE" (Romans 1:20).

"But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah said, "Lord who has believed our report?"
(Romans 10: 16 )
The Kingdom of God, the Kingdom of which the Gospel aka God's New Covenant Law applies, did not become available to men until Jesus Christ came and threw its gates open. So be careful in how you "interpret" what you read from the above passage. undecided
Re: Human Beings Are Born Sinners by Kobojunkie: 11:06pm On Jun 17, 2022
Gggg102:
what happens if a person dies before the gospel gets to him?
He perishes in the grave - from dust you were made and to dust you shall return - as God decreed beginning with Adam in Genesis 3 vs 19 - 22 undecided
Re: Human Beings Are Born Sinners by Kobojunkie: 11:10pm On Jun 17, 2022
live4dgospel:

That's a religious question. As a matter of fact, it is irrelevant. Before the presence of God, every man can either be a sinner or the righteous. So the most urgent and important question Is: What happens when a person dies as a sinner or as the righteous? As you can see, the answer is now clear. We are people of faith, we don't entertain religious questions that only create controversies.
The question the other asked is valid. He asked what happens when an unbeliever dies and the answer was given by God in Genesis 3 vs 19 -22 where God judged that all those who die without believing in Him will perish in the grave.. undecided
Re: Human Beings Are Born Sinners by Kobojunkie: 11:12pm On Jun 17, 2022
Gggg102:
so there are those who hadn't heard the gospel that could enter heaven? those who never heard of Christ talkless of believing in him.

did your ancestors know about Jesus before the missionaries came?
As unbelievers, your ancestors perished in the grave, much the same way unbelievers, even today, still do. undecided
Re: Human Beings Are Born Sinners by estheragha: 6:59pm On Jun 18, 2022
Kobojunkie:
1. David was born a Jew, bound to God's Old Covenant and Constitution to the Nation of Israel in the Land of Israel, so he was a subject to God's Law from his birth, unlike Gentiles who are not born bound to any of God's Law and hence unable to transgress a Law they are not under.

1a. Now if we are to process what David said in Psalms 51 vs 5 there to mean that all Jews are born sinners from their birth, then what you are insinuating is that even Jesus Christ was Himself born a sinners hence the many accounts, even by the prophets, that He did not sin, are nothing but lies. So, was David speaking of something else entirely or are all Jews Born sinners under God’s Old Covenant Law? undecided

1b. Something else to consider is what God said of sinners in Ezekiel 18 vs 1 - 33 and Ezekiel 33 vs 9 - 20, " The soul that sins must die...". Nowhere in all that passage did God suggest sin had to do with being born. Instead, God clearly associated sinning with transgressing of His direct commandments and statutes to the people. So, if we are to assume Jewish children born sinners in to this world, then what law do we directly transgress by being born? undecided


2. God's Law, Jesus Christ, applies only to those who believe in Jesus Christ. Those who don't believe in Jesus Christ are not bound by anything Jesus Christ decreed or commanded this since Jesus Christ taught and spoke to those who belonged to the Kingdom of God aka those who are born-again - John 3 vs 5 - 8. So, my question here to you is, are babies concerned born-again from their mother's womb? undecided

Jesus Christ already gave you the answer in John 3 vs 5 - 8 but I am interested in what you have to say. undecided


Romans 3:9-12
[9]What then? Are we better than they? Not at all. For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin.
[10]As it is written: “There is none righteous, no, not one;
[11]There is none who understands; There is none who seeks after God.
[12]They have all turned aside; They have together become unprofitable; There is none who does good, no, not one.”

Every human being( both Jews and Gentiles) is ist born as an unrighteous sinner and needs to be born again, born a second time spiritually, as a righteous inorder to enter the kingdom of heaven.

Romans 5:18-19
[18]Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.
[19]For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.
Re: Human Beings Are Born Sinners by estheragha: 7:00pm On Jun 18, 2022
Let’s say there are two men we can be compare to two glasses full of filthy liquid. Both glasses are full of sin. One looks at himself and says, “Oh, I am such a sinful person.” Then, he gives up and goes to find someone who can help him. But the other one thinks that he is not really evil. He cannot see the mass of sin within himself and thinks that he isn’t so sinful. All his life, he keeps on wiping up the spills. He wipes up one side, and then the other side...quickly moving over to the other side....

There are so many who carefully live their lives, trying to have as little sin as possible, to avoid spilling it over. But since they still have sin in their hearts, what good does it do? Being careful will not lead them any closer to Heaven. ‘Being careful’ puts them on the road to hell instead. Dear friends, ‘being careful’ only leads to hell. We should take this lesson to heart.

When people are careful, their sins may not spill over as much, but they are still sinners. What is in the heart of humanity? Sin? Immorality? Yes! Evil thoughts? Yes! Is there theft? Yes! Arrogance? Yes! We cannot help but admit to the fact that we are masses of sin, especially when we see ourselves act sinfully and wickedly, without being taught to do so. It may not be as evident when we are young. But how is it, as we get older? As we go to high school, college, and so on, we come to realize that all that we have inside us is sin. Is this not true?

Honestly speaking, it is impossible to hide our sinful natures. Correct? We cannot help but to spill sin. We then regret, “I shouldn’t do this.” However, we find it impossible to truly change. Why is that so? Because each of us is born as a mass of sin.

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