Burn_Cross:

OK mam (buluti), I'll be careful the next time,

I think what you (buluti) is that you don't have the capability to read between the lines so you have surpassed my message to that ignorant JEW that was foolishly trying to manipulate my words So, I clarified to him that the Stinky JEWs don't claim the land of Palestine because they brought wealth & prosperity from the Europe & other countries to this land but the claim SO FOOLISHLY that since they were living there thousand of years ago, so it is their Damn idiotic right to come and claim it as the promised land,

Really foolish idea? right? that what I have expressed in my earlier email that no one can claim for a piece of land by ancestry rights, since this world belong to the whole human community,

So, I tried to put a lot of intelligence for the Wise ones I need some just ask!

I give up, i just do,  with such level of intelligence as exhibited above i have nothing to say.

The point here is we no longer want to join you folks in celebrating April fool. Spanish history can be saved for another day. Despite anticipating some of your responses, most of them were totally mischievious and unguarded.

Has anyone ever been interested in whether muslims "celebrate" april fool or not?
Since when did april 1 become a day for "celebration" and for whom?

i dont know if you are familiar with the hype and excitement around the 1st April. That may not count for celebration in your eyes but it surely is.

Anyway we are talking to the ummah here.

belloti:

i don't know if you are familiar with the hype and excitement around the 1st April. That may not count for celebration in your eyes but it surely is.

Anyway we are talking to the ummah here.

Perhaps you live in Mars. Hype and excitement over April 1? In a nation where Oct 1 is celebrated like a day for mourning?

I would like all Christians (whom are lucky) to accept ISLAM Now, Any Christian who read this and understand but reject it, I think He loose both on Earth and the Hereafter,

Jesus is NOT God
In my opinion, Jesus is the Messiah, Jesus preformed many Miracles, and Jesus was Sent by God to rescue people from their sins.


It is also my opinion that Paul was not sent by God nor was he doing God's work but was in fact selfishly pretending to be doing God's work which if a person takes a closer look at the words of Paul, we can see it goes directly against the Teachings of God in the Bible;


Paul even declares he has a different Gospel than Jesus (Romans 2:16)


The Gospel of Paul is contained in the following epistles: (Galatian,
I Corinthians, II Corinthians, Romans, Philemon, Phillippians)


Here is the list where Paul's Gospel clearly differs from the
rest of the Bible:


Did God mention widows?



Paul says;


"Now concerning the unmarried (widow), I have no command of the Lord, but I give my opinion as one who by the Lord's mercy is trustworthy." Cor. 7:25


"A married woman is not free as long as her husband lives; but if her husband dies (widow), then she is free to be married to any man she wishes, but only if he is a Christian." Cor. 7:39


"She will be happier, however, if she stays as she is. That is my opinion, and I think that I too have God's Spirit." Cor. 7:40





Here now in Cor. 7: 25,39, and 40, Paul says that there are no rules for widows, they are free to marry anyone they want because the Lord has not set any rules concerning widows.


Moses says;


"If two brothers live on the same property and one of them dies, leaving no son, then his widow is not to be married to someone outside the family; it is the duty of the dead man's brother to marry her." De 25:5





Is "Everyone" who hangs on a tree 'ACursed' ?


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Paul says;


"Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us--for it is written, "Cursed be every one who hangs on a tree" Ga 3:13


Now according to Paul, absolutely anyone who hangs on a tree is cursed.


What does Moses say in the Bible;


"And if a man has committed a crime punishable by death and he is put to death, and you hang him on a tree, his body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but you shall bury him the same day, for a hanged man is accursed by God; De 21:22,23


Here we clearly see that not everyone who hangs on a tree is accursed, but rather only people who meet certain criteria's which certainly Jesus did not meet for the simple fact that Jesus did not commit a crime punishable by death.


The fact that not everyone who hangs on a tree is cursed as Paul misquotes, is demonstrated by the following people;


(Ge 40:19) The chef who went against Pharoh was certainly not cursed and was most likely rewarded by God for resisting Pharoh.


(Es 7:10) Haman was not cursed, instead another victim. God does not curse those who were murdered, instead, those deserving of Murder which Jesus was not.


Is Everyone a sinner ?


Paul says;


"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned" Ro 5:12


According to Paul, everyone is a sinner because everyone dies, Paul was obviously unfamiliar with the Scripture, for if he was inspired by God, he would have known that there were people who did not die, and were perfect.


The Bible says;


"having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God;" Hebrews 7:3-4


Now we see that Paul's attempt to try to explain the natural process of dyeing by calling everyone a sinner, falls short when you have others who did not die.


Furthermore, there are those whom are without sin;


"These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God." Ge 6:9


According to Paul, everyone is imperfect, and has sin, here we see that Noah was perfect, fore if Noah was a sinner, surely he would not walk with God as the Bible documents.


"But the high places were not removed: nevertheless Asa's heart was perfect with the LORD all his days." 1Ki 15:14


If everyone had sinned as Paul labels all, then Asa's heart would be blemished, instead, it was unblemished for the entire lifetime.


We know that having a perfect heart means that you keep all the commandments as shown here: "And give unto Solomon my son a perfect heart, to keep thy commandments" 1Ch 29:19


Another man who was sinless was; "There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil." Job 1:1


We know a perfect man is sinless because God says; "Behold, God will not cast away a perfect man, neither will he help the evil doers:" Job 8:20


Finally, to breath is not a sin, but according to Paul, babies are sinners too.


The "only" way to remove sin ?


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Paul says the only way to remove sin is Jesus's blood; Re 1:5,


The Bible says;


You can also remove sins by; giving charity Exodus 30:15-16 and Numbers 31:50, incense Numbers 16:46-47, etc,


Who did Jesus, upon arising , reveal himself to ?



(a) in Galilee to the eleven remaining disciples (Judas, of course, being absent JUDAS WAS DEAD )--Matt. 26:16,Mk 16:7,14;


(b)in Jerusalem to the eleven--Lk.24:33,36;


(c) in Jerusalem to the ten, Thomas being absent--Jn.20;10,19,24; or


(d) to Peter and then to the twelve--1 Cor.15:5? (Paul's version, obviously presents a problem:


who were the twelve, since Judas was already dead (Matt. 27:5) and his successor had not yet been chosen (Acts 1:26)?


These are only a few of Paul's Anomalies which clarifies that Paul was not inspired by God and was in fact defied the teachings of God.


Here are more of Paul's anomalies;


GE 4:4-5 God prefers Abel's offering and has no regard for Cain's.
RO 2:11 God shows no partiality. He treats all alike.


GE 7:1 Noah was righteous.
JB 1:1,8, JB 2:3 Job was righteous.
LK 1:6 Zechariah and Elizabeth were righteous.
JA 5:16 Some men are righteous, (which makes their prayers effective).
RO 3:10, 3:23 No one was or is righteous.


GE 11:9 At Babel, the Lord confused the language of the whole world.
1CO 14:33 Paul says that God is not the author of confusion.


GE 17:7, 10-11 The covenant of circumcision is to be everlasting.
GA 6:15 It is of no consequence.


EX 20:1-17 God gave the law directly to Moses (without using an intermediary).
GA 3:19 The law was ordained through angels by a mediator (an intermediary).


EX 20:8-11, 31:15-17, 35:1-3 No work is to be done on the Sabbath, not even lighting a fire. The commandment is permanent, and death is required for infractions.
MK 2:27-28 Jesus says that the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath (after his disciples were criticized for breaking the Sabbath).
RO 14:5, CN 2:14-16 Paul says the Sabbath commandment was temporary, and to decide for yourself regarding its observance.


LE 3:17 God himself prohibits forever the eating of blood and fat.
CN 2:20-22 Paul say that such rules don't matter--they are only human injunctions.


NU 25:9 24,000 died in the plague.
1CO 10:8 23,000 died in the plague.


DT 24:16, 2KI 14:6, 2CH 25:4, EZ 18:20 Children are not to suffer for their parent's sins.
RO 5:12, 19, 1CO 15:22 Death is passed to all men by the sin of Adam.


DT 30:11-20 It is possible to keep the law.
RO 3:20-23 It is not possible to keep the law.


JN 3:13 Only the Son of Man (Jesus) has ever ascended to heaven.
2CO 12:2-4 An unnamed man, known to Paul, went up to heaven and came back.


PR 3:13, 4:7, 19:8, JA 1:5 Happy is the man who finds wisdom. Get wisdom.
LK 2:40, 52 Jesus was filled with wisdom and found favor with God.
1CO 1:19-25, 3:18-20 Wisdom is foolishness.


MT 7:21 Not everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.
RO 10:13 Whoever calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.


MT 7:21, LK 10:36-37, JA 2:24 We are justified by works, not by faith.
RO 3:20-26, GA 2:16 We are justified by faith, not by works


MT 28:19 Jesus instructs his disciples to baptize.
1CO 1:17 Although he considers himself a disciple of Jesus, Paul says that he has not been sent to baptize.


LK 18:9-14 Do not boast of your virtue.
RO 11:20, 1PE 5:5 Do not be proud.
RO 15:17, 2CO 1:12, HE 3:6, 2CO 2:14, 5:12, 11:17 Paul boasts of his faith and says that one should be proud of it.


JN 3:17, 8:15, 12:47 Jesus does not judge.
2CO 5:10 Jesus does judge.


JN 12:31 The Devil is the ruler (or "prince" of this world.
1CO 10:26, RE 1:5 Jesus is the ruler of kings--the earth is his.


AC 9:23 The governor attempted to seize Paul.
2CO 11:32 It was the Jews who tried to seize Paul.


AC 10:34, RO 2:11 God shows no partiality. He treats all alike.
RO 9:11-13 God hated Esau and loved Jacob even before their birth.


AC 16:6 The Holy Spirit forbids preaching in Asia.
AC 19:8-10 Paul preaches in Asia anyway.


RO 2:12 All who have sinned without the law will perish without the law.
RO 4:15 Where there is no law there is no transgression (sin).


RO 2:13 Doers of the law will be justified.
RO 3:20, GA 3:11 They will not be justified.


RO 4:9 Faith was reckoned to Abraham as righteousness.
JA 2:21 Abraham was justified by works (which made his faith perfect).


RO 10:11 (An alleged OT quote; no such statement in the OT.)


RO 14:21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor anything that might cause your brother to stumble or be offended.
CN 2:16 Let no one pass judgement on you in matters of food and drink.


1CO 7:8-9 Widows should not marry (although it is better to marry than burn).
TI 5:14 Young widows should marry, bear children, rule the household, etc,


2CO 12:16 Paul says that he does use trickery.
1TH 2:3 Paul says that he does not use trickery.


GA 6:2 Bear one anothers burdens.
GA 6:5 Bear your own burden.


TI 1:15 Paul says that he is the foremost of sinners.
JN 3:8-10 He who commits sin is of the Devil. Children of God do not sin.


1TH 2:2 God gave Paul the courage to continue his work.
1TH 2:17-18 Satan hindered Paul.


There are even inconsistancies reguarding his conversion


AC 9:7 Those present at Paul's conversion heard the voice but saw no one.
AC 22:9 They saw a light but did not hear a voice.


AC 9:7 Those present at Paul's conversion stood.
AC 26:14 They fell to the ground.


AC 9:19-28 Shortly after his conversion, Paul went to Damascus, then
Jerusalem where he was introduced to the Apostles by Barnabas, and there
spent some time with them (going in and out among them).
GA 1:15-20 He made the trip three years later, then saw only Peter and James.


This is not to discredit the Bible, but instead the men who try to change the Bible.


God sent the Qur'an to shed Light on any man made or man inserted ideologies,

http://jesus.prophet.googlepages.com

In a Topic which is Titled >>> "For Muslims Only" What makes people like davidlayn or so, participate, this shows that they are evelish people, always hate the truth, and loves lie alot, Brainwashed by the western people,

auwal87:

In a Topic which is Titled >>> "For Muslims Only" What makes people like davidlayn or so, participate, this shows that they are evelish people, always hate the truth, and loves lie alot, Brainwashed by the western people,

Does the "truth" include the right to strip a mother naked, beat her to death and burn her body as a past time for young teenagers?

I think i'm better off without islam, the world's most "peaceful" religion.

Yes, Islam is the most peaceful religion, if you are to honestly check what Islam is all about, I mean Honestly, and taking away things such as Hatred, Terrorist, etc,  I am very very sure, you will never Insult Islam (not Muslims) again,  That is only if you can HONESTLY read what Islam is all about,

Thank God, I have to Go now, if you have anything to say(davidlayn), you can say, but you will not see my reply untill maybe tomorrow, because I have many things to do (not just forum), tek kia,

@auwal87,

auwal87:

Thank God, I have to Go now, if you have anything to say(davidlayn), you can say, but you will not see my reply untill maybe tomorrow, because I have many things to do (not just forum), tek kia,

When you return, please take a close look at your misrepresentations:

auwal87:

Did God mention widows?

Paul says;

"Now concerning the unmarried (widow), I have no command of the Lord, but I give my opinion as one who by the Lord's mercy is trustworthy." Cor. 7:25
- - - - - - -

Here now in Cor. 7: 25,39, and 40, Paul says that there are no rules for widows, they are free to marry anyone they want because the Lord has not set any rules concerning widows.

I Cor. 7:25 - "Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful."

The word you used in that verse does NOT read as "widow" in the Bible. Rather, it is a word that is used in reference of an unmarried woman. In Greek, it is called παρθένος [parthenos - par-then'-os: a maiden; by implication an unmarried daughter: - virgin - Strong's Concordance].

Why do Muslims like so much to misrepresnt the Bible and then turn round and accuse Christians of lies? Is it because Al-Taquiyya (the Islamic tenet of lying) is such an incurable virus that these Muslims cannot do any better?

Besides, the Bible teaches that JESUS IS GOD!!

John 1:1 - "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

auwal87:

Yes, Islam is the most peaceful religion, if you are to honestly check what Islam is all about, I mean Honestly, and taking away things such as Hatred, Terrorist, etc, I am very very sure, you will never Insult Islam (not Muslims) again, That is only if you can HONESTLY read what Islam is all about,

I can never insult islam again if you take away things like hatred and terrorism simply because islam will cease to exist.
It is impossible for islam to exist without violence. . .

David, cant you for once just relax and listen to yourself? Can you give me even a biased percentage of violent muslims or terrorist vis-a-vis the peaceful ones?

belloti:

David, can't you for once just relax and listen to yourself? Can you give me even a biased percentage of violent muslims or terrorist vis-a-vis the peaceful ones?

Another example of circular reasoning. Because there are more "peaceful" muslims then islam must be peace!
The issue is not whether terrorists are an "extremist minority", the REAL enemy is not the terrorist but the IDEOLOGY that spawns a whole generation of violent murderers!
An ideology that creates children as young as 5yrs of age who already have a deep seated hatred for anything western and Jewish is one that should not be taken lightly. An ideology that turns otherwise socially well adjusted individuals into suicide bombers who would give their lives just to kill one innocent fellow human is one that should be taken with more than a pinch of salt.

Then David why do you think that that particular ideology did not get the expected wider acceptance among the muslim ummah? Can you really narrow it down to ideology alone? Cant you think of other global influences as a result of some percieved western hypocrisy, poverty and neglect? Dont you think there is more to it than mere ideology which some of us share with those so-called violent people?

@Burn Cross

You make use of deragotary languages and easily resort to name calling, typical of muslims. Should a christian try 1/2 of that, you will all go for your swords. I believe you are up to 18 years and need to show some level of maturity, if not, please the likes of you amd Babs787 should excuse us!

belloti:

Then David why do you think that that particular ideology did not get the expected wider acceptance among the muslim ummah? Can you really narrow it down to ideology alone? Cant you think of other global influences as a result of some percieved western hypocrisy, poverty and neglect? Dont you think there is more to it than mere ideology which some of us share with those so-called violent people?

Muslims will use any excuse to justify their inherent violence. Was western hypocrisy, poverty and neglect the reason why more than 200 Kenyans lost their lives in the American embassy bombing in Nairobi? Since when did it become the duty of the west to take care of the muslim ummah?
If this excuse should be tenable why are blacks who have suffered centuries of slavery, colonialism, neoclonialism, starvation, genocide, racism not bombing the whole world? Why are the Jews not carrying out suicide attacks in Germany?

The reluctance of muslim leaders to openly speak against terrorist activities is CLEAR signal that the ideology of terror has not only gained wide acceptance among the muslim ummah but is part of the principles of islam.
Why did the sultan and major muslim groups in Nigeria keep quiet in the face of the killing of Oluwatoyin in Gombe state?

David, the totality of nigerian muslims has condemned the gombe incident. I havent heard anyone sanctioning yet

Back to the Topic
I have done some research on the origins of April fools day and there is nothing to conclusively say that April Fools day has the origin stated by Belloti. overwhelming evidence suggest British, French and Dutch origins.
Like Valentines day, a lot of stories have been told on the origins of April Fools day. The Story told by Belloti is just one of many.

Concerning the capitalised (and i dare say emphasised) EIGHT HUNDRED LONG YEARS OF MUSLIM RULE IN SPAIN, this is not historically correct. The Moors (North African Muslims) began their conquest of the Iberian pennisula in the early 8th century. Between 711 and 718, the entire pennisula was conquered. However, by 723, the reconquista (i.e. re-conquering) by Christian Kingdoms had started. By 739, the Moors were already driven out of the region of Galicia. By 1085, the entire Northern Half of Spain was in Christian hands. The last major strongholds Cordoba and Seville were concquered by 1248. Grenada which was alluded to by Belloti was a tributary state for a long time before it also fell. by 1469, the spanish throne was united under a christian mornach. So where did Belloti get his 800 years??

belloti:

David, the totality of nigerian muslims has condemned the gombe incident. I havent heard anyone sanctioning yet

This totality appear to be "condemning" this incident in their bedrooms. We are yet to hear them as loudly as they "condemned" the removal of the ajami from the naira.

lafile:

So where did Belloti get his 800 years??

Maybe angel gabriel revealed it to him.

i don't blame you,you are blind and you don't even understand what you are writing.it's clear that islam has no say anywhere.am sorry to say that islam is a religion of darkness and wickedness. they don't forgive and they are all pretenders. infact,if you have a muslim as a best friend,then you don't need an enemy because one of them represents 5,000 enemies.

The muslims in Nigeria especially in the north are terrible,they kill people anyhow they like,its wickedness and evil.the muslims in the north especially, don't regard any other tribe like the yorubas,ibos and idomas as true muslim, infact they call them pagans,because most of the time when they have any problem especially spiritual,they run to the church.

@DorisB

CLAP FOR YOURSELF

i am a xtian guy and in love with a muslim lady who is from Ahmadiya.I want to get married to her cos i really love her pls help me out

@topefisayo

If she is a yoruba muslim, no problem. But if she is northern muslim, we may miss you forever!

topefisayo:

i am a xtian guy and in love with a muslim lady who is from Ahmadiya.I want to get married to her because i really love her please help me out

Extend the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ to her.Hopefully she'll come to His saving Grace before you marry her in Church.
It is hard to sustain a marriage when the couple are of different faiths,the kids get confused.
But love is a beautiful thing,I understand your dilemma and hope all goes well for you.

topefisayo:

i am a xtian guy and in love with a muslim lady who is from Ahmadiya.I want to get married to her because i really love her please help me out

What do you mean by Ahmadiya - the Muslim sect by that name or something else?

These sword carying, head hunting, propaganda bearing, rumour mongering, terrorist supporting, humanrights abusers have come again o. Ye with all these young terrorists in the making i dont see this world having peace. These fanatics have turned life expectancy from 70yrs to 10 with their terror reign and that is not enough now they want to rais another propaganda another reason to hate christians how the hell are they linking april fools day to chriatianity? Una imam don teach una another hate lesson?Have you seen where christians celebrate april 1? by the way i thought one of you was saying christians were not mentioned as infidels on one thread how come i see us called infidels in this one?you people cant fool me outside you preach peace and and love to all around you then you call for an all muslim meeting and call us infidels to be killed behind our backs that is why i keep telling christians not to be taken by your back stabbing smiles cos in your heart you see blody infidels.By the way the moslems got spain by fighting the original owners of the land and ousted their religion replacing it with islam so whats the big deal if another religion stronger than them take over the land not that the moslems were innocent it was jungle law playing survival of the fittest go lick your wounds somewhere else.If you can call a small meeting to speak with such hatered about april fool and christians in this open place i wonder whet kind of genocide meetings you will hold in your mosque wher what you say will be hidden from us the "infidels" christians beware of sweet tongue peace preaching moslens oh behind.Their peace talk is like a trap set with nice looking food to attract an animal to its death.

Hannydarl, No one is killing anyone. the isolated incidences were unfortunate. we wish they never happened but truly we love you all. We shall all one day account for our actions here on earth. whoever kill an innocent soul shall stand before God to explain his action.

Belloti its just that when moslems feel they've been taken advantge of or treated badly they take to the streets and condem who ever or what ever they consider bad why havent they made their hatred for such killings done by their so called wayward children known publicly maybe by the imam appologising to the famillies of people mudered? they just sit at home and say we condem it but probably in the mosques they congratulate themselves and give the rascals badges and trophies for a job well done .I know that when it comes to religion moslems dont pitty or show mercy i believe in your hearts you people are saying serves the infidel right for abusing our holly black book.Dont preach peace to us ACTION they say speaks louder than words.

Hannydarl, am happy you spoke reasonably well. i guess thats how it may look to anyone from the outside and the actions of some of our brothers contributed to that. But i want you to believe this, i am a muslim and i grew up in a muslim family and in a muslim community but never for once had any imam or family member ever encouraged me or anyone i knew to kill anyone but in the contrary i grew up hearing about peaceful co-existence and harmonious relationships.

Its unfortunate these killings happens but i can never be convince that it is sanctioned by islam. But then you guys have already set your minds to believe that violence is part of islam and thats exactly what you will be looking out for in any islamic environment. If there are 360 days of peace in kano and 5 days of disturbance you find it convenient to trace that to islamic teachings. Too bad.

i dont blame you hanny, we now see ourselves as enemies and choose to be skeptical about each other. Its not the best way to relate.

belloti:


Its unfortunate these killings happens but i can never be convince that it is sanctioned by islam. But then you guys have already set your minds to believe that violence is part of islam and thats exactly what you will be looking out for in any islamic environment. If there are 360 days of peace in kano and 5 days of disturbance you find it convenient to trace that to islamic teachings. Too bad.

May be you are reading your koran upside down. I lived in the north, served in the north and I know the way you people feel about non-muslims you call "arne"

There is nothing, I mean nothing peaceful about Islam period